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On May 15 2017 23:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 23:09 Vivax wrote:
I don't even know why you don't ever work from the assumption that he could simply be town for example when cooking up the answer.
His mind control trick where I am on a far away with a green checked Palmar is working pretty well for me. Because i pay attention to the game and see him afk all day posting nonsense to return at deadline and try to lynch me after being literally one of two people actually playing the game. Just like you and him in haunted mansion 3 All over again.
But you are always playing the game also as mafia you easily rack up the largest filter and overshadow every other person that only plays it in chill mode.
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Yes rayn
Yesssssss
Intelligence
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On May 15 2017 23:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 23:08 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 23:05 Holyflare wrote:
Holy fuck read the game you pleb.
I'm calling you mafia BECAUSE of the lynches and your play this game. I've stated this numerous times. You haven't even read what I've said and this confirms it. I have reevaluated at every single stage of this game. Rayn because of day 1. After dropping fuba, evaluating state of the game and stances on lynches because of major afk on wagons.
Every single point. I think he means this attitude. You could just reply, "aahh i dont know maybe I jumped the gun on that part, that part etc." but you avoid the introspection and jump over to accusation like here. Try again maybe it will work next time. That's not what he's saying. He's making a new point that I just go from one townie case to the next and have no thought about the game other than angry must lynch next guy. Which is not true. I dropped my rayn thing because i looked hard at what I was saying and reevaluated that maybe I did go too hard on it and I'd give rayn time to not shut down anymore. And maybe his rage wasn't fake at deadline. I've looked over it countless times. Same with fuba, same with palmar (who was initially a town read!).
No no, Vivax understood exactly what I was saying, you're the one misunderstanding.
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On May 15 2017 23:13 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 23:12 Holyflare wrote:On May 15 2017 23:09 Vivax wrote:
I don't even know why you don't ever work from the assumption that he could simply be town for example when cooking up the answer.
His mind control trick where I am on a far away with a green checked Palmar is working pretty well for me. Because i pay attention to the game and see him afk all day posting nonsense to return at deadline and try to lynch me after being literally one of two people actually playing the game. Just like you and him in haunted mansion 3 All over again. But you are always playing the game also as mafia you easily rack up the largest filter and overshadow every other person that only plays it in chill mode.
Yes take what i said totally out of context and apply a new situation.
Here is the relevant part.
Palmar even admitted i wasn't his main scum read. He sees opportunity to vote me off and does it over super confirmed mafia grack. But now he's fooling you with being all friendly pretend I'm confirmed town bs and cherry picking posts.
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On May 15 2017 23:13 Holyflare wrote:
Yes rayn
Yesssssss
Intelligence
You don't even get to say this because that's what i have been saying since D1.... 
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Rayn has summed it up.
2 cycles, 0 cases, 0 pushes and no sheeping
Berating people while doing nothing
Mafia palmar
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Look I'm having a bad time. Can we just focus elsewhere for a bit? I'm willing to compromise on that at least.
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I still think you're mafia btw, unless there is a medic/JK in the game.
If not then it's Vivax and LS. That's pretty much all i have to say.
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Like the night 1 shot was so super fucking dumb there is no way it happens if it not a medic dodge or both you and Palmar are not mafia.
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On May 15 2017 23:20 Holyflare wrote:
Look I'm having a bad time. Can we just focus elsewhere for a bit? I'm willing to compromise on that at least.
Really? Those were two amazing pages I feel refreshed and kind of dazed.
I can see a bit of everyone's point of view. But more leaning towards a Palmar lynch after sucking everything in. Could just be the two heavyweights breathing down his neck and that I felt like he asked the impossible from me (convincing him that HF is town when I barely have enough confidence to tell).
We've got time so I think I'll postpone the decision and just keep sucking in a bit of the good parts of the game.
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Contrary to belief i hate arguing. I just play to solve the game.
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The problem for me from the start has been that you three just can't stop being completely paranoid about each other.
I think that if you ignored each others alignments and decided to just find a common ground to find at least two other mafia, it would be more productive. Cause all I've seen this game is you suggesting to lynch the other, not getting it, and everyone else just doing whatever the fuck they want cause they're already used to you bickering like old hags.
It's a bit late for that two lynches in but I think we could still salvage something by pretending that none of us 4 are mafia and just looking for two scummers in the rest.
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Palmar you said there's 100% mafia in SL, LS, TW.
And please explain why you said skynxs defense was terrible
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It's dawning on me that rayn genuinely thinks I am mafia this game and that is his best scumhunting effort. I thought he just wanted to lynch me on some uncontrolled rage bullshit.
I'll actually respond, in an attempt to continue being a nice human being.
On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 22:54 Palmar wrote:On May 15 2017 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Doesn't matter Palmar. You probably suck up to everyone else in this game like you do as mafia but not me. Jesus rayn. I'm playing this game like a normal human being because you asked me to do it. Maybe head out of ass for a little bit so you can enjoy it? Here is a bullet point list why you are mafia: - What you jsut said here doesn't contrats well what you're doing this game. First of all when i called you town early on in the game you slacked it off by distrust. That's fine, but you didn't call me mafia for it. You didn't jsut actaulyl wanna work with me when i was trying to do so. You cut me off by saying your LS read was totally fake so i didn't really have an opition other than retract from my early town read on you. You should know that's beneficial to you and your team in case you're town because me "trusting you", even for wrong reasons gives you a better -- and more accurate read on me.
I do my own thing, generally. I usually only pay attention to the things that happen while I am in the thread. I had a whiff of suspicion against you in the early game because I felt like you gave me a townread for basically nothing. I probably shouldn't have, but meh.
On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[*] You continued this with having no interest into my Vivax read while still not scumreading me. You werent interested in proving me wrong, you werent interesting with EITHER agreeing or disagreeing with the read, you just brushed it off.
Again, I don't even remember what your Vivax thing was about. I probably never read it. In hindsight I'm kinda glad I did because I actually don't think Vivax is mafia. Also, I'm not gonna go back and check, but I remember tone-reading Vivax at some point as town and that might have caused me to ignore things on him.
On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[*] The above could kinda make sense since you scumread Grack hard but... You never really rtied to lynch Grack. There is where the "i hard scumread him so i was tunneled" -argument falls apart. When people's vote were split like hell on D1 you did nothing to try to convince people your super duper scumread is mafia, you just made a lame comment of "oh we are doing this deadline thing, it wont work. gtg bye". The way you initially expressed the case doesn't go with the actions you have taken in actually wanting to lynch Grackaroni.
This is just straight up false. I'm just not interested in playing town shepherd every game, and I couldn't be here at the day 1 lynch because I simply was busy. And given how much unfounded meta you use on me, you should know I hate these last minute switches.
On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[*] Your night 1 was super shit. You literally wasted the whole N1 from going from point X back to point X. The most useless set of posts i have ever seen. You literally couldn't make a single conclusion all N1.
Yes, someone made a point I thought was good, but turns out it wasn't nearly as strong as I had initially perceived. Notice however the nuance of the interaction. HF was militantly on your ass while it was me who initially agreed with him and then sort of wavered when I realized that I didn't have quite the right picture.
On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[*] You still call Grackaroni scum but again on D2 you had zero interest in actually lynching him.
No I got mad at you. I still think you're unnecessarily rude to people and your behavior can at times be absolutely devastating to the enjoyment of people playing the game. I was genuinely super mad.
On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[*] Instead you expressed interest into lynching your townread who you have had zero interest in working with all game long. I am pretty sure other people ()at least the ones who are good at this game) can tell what is wrong with that.
I was especially mad as I saw, and still see, your voteswitch to Vivax as atrocious play. The only redeeming point is that you got away with the redeeming diatribe that I don't think you're dishonest enough to do as mafia. I'm literally townreading you this game because I remember how you acted in the whole "I swear on my life" situation. You're a complete rager, but you're also extremely "honest". I don't think you would allow yourself to treat other people like complete garbage to win town cred. I think you would only do it if you were genuinely pissed off.
So no, I've had very little interest in working with you this game because from my point of view you've made bad plays and been a dick to people.
On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[*] The last post you made about Holyflare is another super duper dumb point. You have what... sat on this information from D1 and had zero interest into figuring anything out regarding it, except for calling him "fishy" or whatever words you used.
I don't start shitfights with people for no reason. I'm not lying that I believe that if I start a shitfight with HF when we're both town, that actually just straight up loses the game. There's a reason I'm willing to lurk on my suspicions on him. I actually tend to do the same with you.
Last time we played together you used some false meta on me "palmar would go balls to the walls if he thinks I'm mafia". Which is just not true. Some people are prone to ridiculous amount of posting and I have to be fairly sure that I want to do it before I engage them.
Additionally, I kinda like you both at times, and I dislike killing my friends.
On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[*] Basically you are not even trying to do ANYTHING in this game except for looking good to majority of the people, which is something you don't care shit about as town when you think you have ACTUALLY found mafia, which is something you have implied you have more than once.
See, more false meta. I am not trying to look good for good looks sake., I am trying to build something of an alliance. If I force myself to be a mass-poster every game I play I burn out and stop playing mafia. I have tried to just make a case and get people to work with me, but it hasn't been happening.
My new idea is to expand my list of townies I think I can work with, and I'd gladly add you to that list, I genuinely think you're town (see above). But obviously that's not gonna work if I can't convince you I'm not mafia.
On May 15 2017 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now afk again. Just had to put it out there, maybe someone even reads it.
Stop and think for a moment. What is my optimal play as town here in this situation? Is it not to actually try to pull together a team so we can actually get something done on day 3? If you have a better idea I'm all ears.
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On May 15 2017 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the night 1 shot was so super fucking dumb there is no way it happens if it not a medic dodge or both you and Palmar are not mafia.
It was the most universally townread player.
It's not a terrible shot.
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On May 15 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:
Palmar you said there's 100% mafia in SL, LS, TW.
They're the players I've ignored this game. I ALWAYS randomly ignore mafia because they're boring.
On May 15 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:
And please explain why you said skynxs defense was terrible
Because it's scum-defense 101. "Look if I was mafia I would do X, but I did Y, ergo not mafia".
On May 15 2017 20:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 20:15 Skynx wrote:On May 15 2017 20:11 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 20:05 Skynx wrote:
Just let it go Vivax. I have like no effect in this game, and we have been lynching townies with 3-3 votes max, no towncircle at all, does that tell you Skynx is mafia? No, prolly 2-3 of those usual town leaders if not all is mafia. Your vote is your effect and you haven't been placing it on your scumread you piled it onto HF instead cause you were expecting fuba to be a mislynch. Lets say im scum, how does that make sense for me to not vote fuba? I mean i was almost getting lynched. this is a terrible defense...
We have no idea how the scum votes were distributed on the wagons, so maybe there was no real danger of him getting lynched, who knows.
The point is I'm just talking about the defense. If Skynx is town, that point is not why he's town. If he's town it's because of something else. That point, in particular, is not very alignment indicative at all, because it is exactly a point I'd make as mafia too.
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On May 15 2017 23:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the night 1 shot was so super fucking dumb there is no way it happens if it not a medic dodge or both you and Palmar are not mafia. It was the most universally townread player. It's not a terrible shot.
Although I kind agree it looks medic-dodgey
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On May 15 2017 23:28 Vivax wrote:
The problem for me from the start has been that you three just can't stop being completely paranoid about each other.
I think that if you ignored each others alignments and decided to just find a common ground to find at least two other mafia, it would be more productive. Cause all I've seen this game is you suggesting to lynch the other, not getting it, and everyone else just doing whatever the fuck they want cause they're already used to you bickering like old hags.
It's a bit late for that two lynches in but I think we could still salvage something by pretending that none of us 4 are mafia and just looking for two scummers in the rest.
Possibly the smartest post in the game.
Ever.
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The skynx defence was also not used for me, who was previously his town read switched to mafia read (no explanation) when I am arguably following his point more than himself.
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I can not imagine in the slightest what's so hard in making people see the mafia in skynx. When I look at him I feel it's clear as day. I guess we need some old school case building in here.
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