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On May 19 2017 19:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 19:26 Holyflare wrote:
5vs2 now
If we kill SL and he's town then 3vs2 and tomorrow is lylo with vivax or whatever dying.
If he's mafia then that's basically gg. I don't think the final mafia can hide for more cycles, it's getting pretty tight for them. Here's what I'm thinking. If I kill you today and you flip mafia, what happens tomorrow? If the answer to that question is "we lynch SL", I'm perfectly okay with lynching him today, because: a) you have a stupidly long filter (which you always do but still...) b) I'm not 100% convinced you're scum c) sicklucker is far less likely to say smart and useful things should he be the mislynch between you two d) pb has been on his case since day 1, I just read pb's filter and I'm both impressed and kinda want to grant him his lynch Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 10:32 Prison Break wrote:
FUCK why did we lynch fuba, he was a HARD townread + I explained this, and he ALSO went after sicklurker d1
guess who's on the vote.... sicklurker....
reading through the pages now to see how this unfolded. holyflare and sicklurker escaped a lynch yet again....
is this seriously going to be one of those games where I catch scum d1 and then people refuse to lynch them and keep killing townies instead? goddamn this is frustrating... I kinda want to help this guy.
What do you make of the people who don't want to lynch sicklurker, and want to lynch you despite you having the green check?
lightning strike and grack still have their vote on you. I think grack is scum as well as sicklurker. 2 scum should be between sicklurker, vivax and grack.
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I think HF or Palmar are scum based on TW's list honestly so I willing to lynch one or the other and the fact Grack was spewed makes so my 3rd scum is between sicklucker and prison break. sicklucker hasn't have the same euthiaism as normally does as town after lynching a scum and was afk for the most part of the auto lynch of TW like he normally does when one of his scum buddies is getting lynched. PB I did like his content early I just more afraid that he could of just been trying to blend but his way of trying to lynch sicklucker over HF and Palmar might seem townie?
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With that in mind I going to unvote until we have a confirmation of who we lynching today between Palmar and HF becuase I think the game will solve itself after lynching the scum of the two in my world.
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On May 20 2017 04:13 Prison Break wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 19:29 Palmar wrote:On May 19 2017 19:26 Holyflare wrote:
5vs2 now
If we kill SL and he's town then 3vs2 and tomorrow is lylo with vivax or whatever dying.
If he's mafia then that's basically gg. I don't think the final mafia can hide for more cycles, it's getting pretty tight for them. Here's what I'm thinking. If I kill you today and you flip mafia, what happens tomorrow? If the answer to that question is "we lynch SL", I'm perfectly okay with lynching him today, because: a) you have a stupidly long filter (which you always do but still...) b) I'm not 100% convinced you're scum c) sicklucker is far less likely to say smart and useful things should he be the mislynch between you two d) pb has been on his case since day 1, I just read pb's filter and I'm both impressed and kinda want to grant him his lynch On May 15 2017 10:32 Prison Break wrote:
FUCK why did we lynch fuba, he was a HARD townread + I explained this, and he ALSO went after sicklurker d1
guess who's on the vote.... sicklurker....
reading through the pages now to see how this unfolded. holyflare and sicklurker escaped a lynch yet again....
is this seriously going to be one of those games where I catch scum d1 and then people refuse to lynch them and keep killing townies instead? goddamn this is frustrating... I kinda want to help this guy. What do you make of the people who don't want to lynch sicklurker, and want to lynch you despite you having the green check? lightning strike and grack still have their vote on you. I think grack is scum as well as sicklurker. 2 scum should be between sicklurker, vivax and grack.
I don't think you know who you're dealing with when it comes to Palmar and Holyflare. Suffice to say I've been on this site for almost ten years, Palmar even longer. I advise you to sheep someone townie until you know the players a bit better, and fyi I'm currently the uncontested medic claim.
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That's not an argument for saying I'm absolutely right and your opinion doesn't matter, but to say that you hold lower standards for scum players than you should. Palmar and HF can both absolutely be scum this game and for a change it would be good to know who you would pick if we hypothetically flipped SL and you were wrong on him.
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On May 20 2017 04:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 04:13 Prison Break wrote:On May 19 2017 19:29 Palmar wrote:On May 19 2017 19:26 Holyflare wrote:
5vs2 now
If we kill SL and he's town then 3vs2 and tomorrow is lylo with vivax or whatever dying.
If he's mafia then that's basically gg. I don't think the final mafia can hide for more cycles, it's getting pretty tight for them. Here's what I'm thinking. If I kill you today and you flip mafia, what happens tomorrow? If the answer to that question is "we lynch SL", I'm perfectly okay with lynching him today, because: a) you have a stupidly long filter (which you always do but still...) b) I'm not 100% convinced you're scum c) sicklucker is far less likely to say smart and useful things should he be the mislynch between you two d) pb has been on his case since day 1, I just read pb's filter and I'm both impressed and kinda want to grant him his lynch On May 15 2017 10:32 Prison Break wrote:
FUCK why did we lynch fuba, he was a HARD townread + I explained this, and he ALSO went after sicklurker d1
guess who's on the vote.... sicklurker....
reading through the pages now to see how this unfolded. holyflare and sicklurker escaped a lynch yet again....
is this seriously going to be one of those games where I catch scum d1 and then people refuse to lynch them and keep killing townies instead? goddamn this is frustrating... I kinda want to help this guy. What do you make of the people who don't want to lynch sicklurker, and want to lynch you despite you having the green check? lightning strike and grack still have their vote on you. I think grack is scum as well as sicklurker. 2 scum should be between sicklurker, vivax and grack. I don't think you know who you're dealing with when it comes to Palmar and Holyflare. Suffice to say I've been on this site for almost ten years, Palmar even longer. I advise you to sheep someone townie until you know the players a bit better, and fyi I'm currently the uncontested medic claim.
I saw 3 doc claims + a lot of "WIFOM/mind gaming scum"
You say you're the uncontested medic claim... but I've seen at least 2 other claims as well
If everyone will accept you as the doc and retract their claims I'll back off from you as you'd be confirmed town obviously
Thing about Palmar and HF seems to be that everyone seems to be tunneling them and I just feel like that's somehing mafia would do.... like leave them alive and let them fight each other because the moment 1 flips, the other will follow soon after
Between palmar and HF I'd kill HF first everytime simply because of the palmar green check. Yes, he could be framed, but odds of that are 33%, so in 67% of cases palmar is confirmed town, and in 33% he could literally be either town or scum, basically (aka same as if he weren't checked)
I also still don't understand that the cop died. Explain to me, if you were doc why didn't you heal the cop? and why did scum nightkill the cop?
Isn't it more likely to assume HF is doc. From your PoV if you're actually doc you know his claim is false, obviously, but from my PoV I can only base my opinion off of what you guys give me, and right now I've seen 3 docclaims and a lot of joking/mindgaming, to the point where I don't know which claim to take seriously anymore
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Either way we shouldn't be lynching a doc, because we should put scum for the task, if they nightkill the doc they give up the fact they can hold onto their fake claim etc. which gives us more info
so with that said, and 3 doc claims, lynch should be between palmar and SL
but, say I'm wrong on SL, which I have no reason to believe, but say I'm wrong on him: then I still wonder if palmar is the correct lynch, because it's based entirely on the theory that he framed himself to begin with. It's a possibility, but I don't think it's a probability
also why is grack spawned town at all? depending on the scumteam, TW could've said whatever he wanted to, so why are people looking so much into this? I've seen scum leaving "hints" towards who are or aren't their partners in posts in case they flip, to lead town into more mislynches as well. I'm sceptic towards looking into TWs posts like that
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On May 20 2017 05:02 Prison Break wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 04:28 Vivax wrote:On May 20 2017 04:13 Prison Break wrote:On May 19 2017 19:29 Palmar wrote:On May 19 2017 19:26 Holyflare wrote:
5vs2 now
If we kill SL and he's town then 3vs2 and tomorrow is lylo with vivax or whatever dying.
If he's mafia then that's basically gg. I don't think the final mafia can hide for more cycles, it's getting pretty tight for them. Here's what I'm thinking. If I kill you today and you flip mafia, what happens tomorrow? If the answer to that question is "we lynch SL", I'm perfectly okay with lynching him today, because: a) you have a stupidly long filter (which you always do but still...) b) I'm not 100% convinced you're scum c) sicklucker is far less likely to say smart and useful things should he be the mislynch between you two d) pb has been on his case since day 1, I just read pb's filter and I'm both impressed and kinda want to grant him his lynch On May 15 2017 10:32 Prison Break wrote:
FUCK why did we lynch fuba, he was a HARD townread + I explained this, and he ALSO went after sicklurker d1
guess who's on the vote.... sicklurker....
reading through the pages now to see how this unfolded. holyflare and sicklurker escaped a lynch yet again....
is this seriously going to be one of those games where I catch scum d1 and then people refuse to lynch them and keep killing townies instead? goddamn this is frustrating... I kinda want to help this guy. What do you make of the people who don't want to lynch sicklurker, and want to lynch you despite you having the green check? lightning strike and grack still have their vote on you. I think grack is scum as well as sicklurker. 2 scum should be between sicklurker, vivax and grack. I don't think you know who you're dealing with when it comes to Palmar and Holyflare. Suffice to say I've been on this site for almost ten years, Palmar even longer. I advise you to sheep someone townie until you know the players a bit better, and fyi I'm currently the uncontested medic claim. I saw 3 doc claims + a lot of "WIFOM/mind gaming scum" You say you're the uncontested medic claim... but I've seen at least 2 other claims as well If everyone will accept you as the doc and retract their claims I'll back off from you as you'd be confirmed town obviously Thing about Palmar and HF seems to be that everyone seems to be tunneling them and I just feel like that's somehing mafia would do.... like leave them alive and let them fight each other because the moment 1 flips, the other will follow soon after Between palmar and HF I'd kill HF first everytime simply because of the palmar green check. Yes, he could be framed, but odds of that are 33%, so in 67% of cases palmar is confirmed town, and in 33% he could literally be either town or scum, basically (aka same as if he weren't checked) I also still don't understand that the cop died. Explain to me, if you were doc why didn't you heal the cop? and why did scum nightkill the cop? Isn't it more likely to assume HF is doc. From your PoV if you're actually doc you know his claim is false, obviously, but from my PoV I can only base my opinion off of what you guys give me, and right now I've seen 3 docclaims and a lot of joking/mindgaming, to the point where I don't know which claim to take seriously anymore
I explained it already. I went for the gamble as we would actually have gotten another check off the night after if we lynched the roleblocker today. If I healed him tonight and saved him we would have a confirmed town around but still no cop.
On May 19 2017 05:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2017 05:55 Holyflare wrote:
but regardless you don't ever save not skynx there Wrong, he gets rbed tonight, medic saved him, he dies tomorrow. Still no check. His role lost all value when he claimed.
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I will go with who-ever we decide to lynch, because obviously close to MYLO/LYLO, so we need to cooperate
I want us to be able to form 1 big wagon, and not like 1-2 seperate votes on multiple people so that scum can decide the lynch etc.
But I need a good case before I'll vote someone, I won't vote someone if I have no reason to believe they're scum
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On May 20 2017 04:18 LightningStrike wrote:
With that in mind I going to unvote until we have a confirmation of who we lynching today between Palmar and HF becuase I think the game will solve itself after lynching the scum of the two in my world.
Still not mafia.
Calling sicklucker mafia but don't want to lynch him though. Noted.
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That only explains part of it. It explains your part (not healing), but it doesn't explain scums part (killing the cop)
Why would scum ever shoot the cop if they can rb? I can't make sense out of that. Unless if you're scum and you roleblocked HF?
Also did grack retract his claim at all?
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On May 20 2017 05:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 04:18 LightningStrike wrote:
With that in mind I going to unvote until we have a confirmation of who we lynching today between Palmar and HF becuase I think the game will solve itself after lynching the scum of the two in my world. Still not mafia. Calling sicklucker mafia but don't want to lynch him though. Noted.
Hey are you claiming doc or not. Or if you're mindgaming and don't want to answer, at least tell me you're mindgaming. Because I can't make reads if I don't know who is even claiming what anymore
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On May 20 2017 05:06 Prison Break wrote:
Either way we shouldn't be lynching a doc, because we should put scum for the task, if they nightkill the doc they give up the fact they can hold onto their fake claim etc. which gives us more info
so with that said, and 3 doc claims, lynch should be between palmar and SL
but, say I'm wrong on SL, which I have no reason to believe, but say I'm wrong on him: then I still wonder if palmar is the correct lynch, because it's based entirely on the theory that he framed himself to begin with. It's a possibility, but I don't think it's a probability
also why is grack spawned town at all? depending on the scumteam, TW could've said whatever he wanted to, so why are people looking so much into this? I've seen scum leaving "hints" towards who are or aren't their partners in posts in case they flip, to lead town into more mislynches as well. I'm sceptic towards looking into TWs posts like that
I'm confident that TW was the type of mafia that hard townread towns and left everyone else including his buddies and his daily mislynch at something more obfuscate.
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I'm the join you on your bandwagon and lynch SL guy. Let's gogogo.
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On May 20 2017 05:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 05:06 Prison Break wrote:
Either way we shouldn't be lynching a doc, because we should put scum for the task, if they nightkill the doc they give up the fact they can hold onto their fake claim etc. which gives us more info
so with that said, and 3 doc claims, lynch should be between palmar and SL
but, say I'm wrong on SL, which I have no reason to believe, but say I'm wrong on him: then I still wonder if palmar is the correct lynch, because it's based entirely on the theory that he framed himself to begin with. It's a possibility, but I don't think it's a probability
also why is grack spawned town at all? depending on the scumteam, TW could've said whatever he wanted to, so why are people looking so much into this? I've seen scum leaving "hints" towards who are or aren't their partners in posts in case they flip, to lead town into more mislynches as well. I'm sceptic towards looking into TWs posts like that I'm confident that TW was the type of mafia that hard townread towns and left everyone else including his buddies and his daily mislynch at something more obfuscate.
What do you base this one?
Link me to earlier mafia games where he did this?
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On May 20 2017 05:14 Prison Break wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 05:11 Vivax wrote:On May 20 2017 05:06 Prison Break wrote:
Either way we shouldn't be lynching a doc, because we should put scum for the task, if they nightkill the doc they give up the fact they can hold onto their fake claim etc. which gives us more info
so with that said, and 3 doc claims, lynch should be between palmar and SL
but, say I'm wrong on SL, which I have no reason to believe, but say I'm wrong on him: then I still wonder if palmar is the correct lynch, because it's based entirely on the theory that he framed himself to begin with. It's a possibility, but I don't think it's a probability
also why is grack spawned town at all? depending on the scumteam, TW could've said whatever he wanted to, so why are people looking so much into this? I've seen scum leaving "hints" towards who are or aren't their partners in posts in case they flip, to lead town into more mislynches as well. I'm sceptic towards looking into TWs posts like that I'm confident that TW was the type of mafia that hard townread towns and left everyone else including his buddies and his daily mislynch at something more obfuscate. What do you base this one? Link me to earlier mafia games where he did this?
On May 12 2017 05:01 Tumblewood wrote:
rayn, grack, ls, probably prison break are all town. Palmar Hf vivax sl not worth lynching d1 for various reasons. anyone else I would at least consider today. but fuba promised to do stuff and didn't so I am sticking on him unless you try to go lynch like grack
He's mentioning all players currently alive here, including yourself and a flipped rayn as town. The only ones he keeps at a waffly level are Palmar, HF, me and SL and to a small extent you. And those are exactly who I'm aiming to lynch this game. Always 1 scum in Palmar and HF and if we don't win, then we get SL.
On May 14 2017 08:45 Tumblewood wrote:
fuck, everything about the nk says palmar over hf but it's so bad that it has to be wifom. because you are not telling me that anyone other than hf/palmar chose the nightkill
Also this heavily implies one or both of Palmar and HF.
Sorry but if you don't see that TW had trouble not keeping his perfect information out of his posts, I don't know how to explain it better to you.
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Just going through old tw mafia games atm
+ Show Spoiler + On July 02 2016 09:57 Tumblewood wrote:long time no see apparently I'm supposed to answer questions so I'll answer the one that goes "hey tumble who do you think is scum" I think there are only three players who would have gone for the legendary 5-day solo run given their position after N1: skynx, jean, and jealous. tt and damdred were in very poor position, and super made a move that is pretty bold for someone who loses as soon as they're lynched (that of course being the fakeclaim) though in theory I should not give him a free pass for that-- I'm in a shortcutty mood. tbh I'm talking out of my ass when I talk about skynx's meta because I hardly interacted with him in xxi, but under the "generic newbie" meta his push on art was pretty hard to pull off. also he's been bringing up the same point I did in this post (that it's probably someone in favorable enough position to pull it off) which is something scum in favorable position a la skynx would want to avoid bringing up because duh why would you give people a free reason to scumread you? skynx is probably town. jealous confuses me meta-wise so I'll ignore meta regarding him + Show Spoiler + except for the part where I'm considering him because I surmise that he might believe in himself enough to go for the 4 mislynch try. I was scumreading jealous mostly by poe but at the end of D2 I noticed something that made him pretty townie in my mind: he was under pressure in a 3-way wagon scenario (between him, tt, and damdred, and at end of day chezinu). he faced more stark opposition targeting damdred than anyone else, but he pushed his preferred lynch over the path of least resistance. it just looked like jealous really really cared about his damdred scumread right then. jean is the one who makes the most sense in my mind. he's been swinging for the fences all game, which is something you kind of need to do when you see moosy/ec as your scum partners. highest priority when you see they're under fire is to get as much town cred as possible and jean did that. the path he took seems unlikely but I think he is the most plausible scum.
All of these scum reads, none of them are his partners. Also learn to use paragraphs please.
+ Show Spoiler + On June 29 2016 01:23 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 01:02 Damdred wrote:
I guess we will come down to a jealous vs damdred Lynch today.
Meh brb at the end of my 6-page catching up spree I get a nice little summary. I don't think anyone outside of jealous / tt / damdred (/ art? probably not) is ever scum so I think the logical plan is to lynch them in about that order. in every respect damdred feels pretty alright but not exceptional this game. I generally skim what jealous says because he writes paragraphs about sentences, so tbh no strong opinion on him. tt is looking better after not conceding... I don't think that very many people have the will to try and force 4 mislynches in a row with no partners while being scumread with blue evidence, but as a matter of principle I don't ever want to judge anyone on whether or not they concede. tt feels much better than he did d1 though, so I'd prefer to lynch jealous today. good order is jealous -> tt -> damdred -> art though hopefully we don't get so far down the list.
Again hard town reads all of the people that aren't these few. None of them are partners.
+ Show Spoiler + On June 30 2016 05:32 Tumblewood wrote:
Likeliest scum
Chez
Tt
Skynx
Jean
Super
Damdred
Everyone else
0% scum
More scum reads, no team mates.
I got bored reading the rest.
Pretty much in the 3 games I've checked he doesn't like to bus his team mates. There was a weak push against one in one game but then he went full town read.
TLDR his read list isn't conclusive of anything whatsoever and LS meta god should have seen this too.
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I've also actually read the context of that hf/palmar nk comment and it stems from this and rayn's post :
On May 14 2017 08:40 Tumblewood wrote:
ok i read rayn's cases and they seem fair. with rayn, hf, and palmar all alive after the NK at least one of them has to be scum, and rayn is town. so it's either palmar or hf and i don't know how to read either of them but it seems pretty obvious what to do if one of them flips town
If rayn makes a post implicating two townies and he knows it fuels a shit fest between rayn/palmar/hf why wouldn't he make that post you keep quoting? It's non committal in any regard and isn't followed up at all. The only time he attacks either of us is in response to when rayn shows up. Aka trying to adapt to the thread. It also enables a double mislynch if we're both town. A possibility.
Pretty much we lynch sl no matter what.
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Vivax if you're really confident that both scum are within Palmar/HF/SL then I think SL is a lot more likely scum than a HF/Palmar team judging by the way they went after each other at the end of day 2.
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When I played scum with TW he hard bussed me and Rels. But I think it's more relevant whether he's hard town read his teammates early on before rather than whatever cherry picked game you are looking at now to argue your case.
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