Liquidmania Qualifier #4 - Page 31

On April 07 2017 19:51 Koshi wrote:

Yup. I flagged that sentence as well. It was soooooooo fucking weird.

On April 07 2017 19:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay okay. btdt is probably mafia.

On April 07 2017 19:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
ok. We've reached a point where any continues discussion with me is not bringing the thread any further. Rayn, Koshi, sicklucker are all scumreading me and I've tried my best to explain what I did and why I did it.

So just lynch me, enjoy my VT flip, and continue the game without my apparently bad contributions.

On April 07 2017 20:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i liked all the green stuff you pointed out koshi but what struck me was the... well let me quote it word to word.
"Now to the interesting stuff....
wrote exactly 267 words and ~170 we get into the interesting stuff.....
yeahhhh...

On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood. Why is this added in this post. Such a bad start bro. It shows you are refreshing the game but you can't join the conversation, and in the mean time you are typing up a big post and that is something mafia prefers to do. There is also nothing on rayn or sicklucker that helps the thread here

Like, what is Tumble even doing?

* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter NAI
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless) I dislike your interpretation of those posts granted.
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix NAI I'm observing
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment Not true at all. Thread sentiment was against Calixthat's wrong
* BUT ends up calling me bad town So what? there's no commitment to his read. "Here are reasons to scumread him. But I think he's bad town."
* one more townread on ShapeNAI correct, but three townreads and no scum reads while following thread sentiment ARE aligment indicative.
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels Did he? lol. NAI though again, read the below part of my case, Koshi. You're just trying to discredit me here.
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla) spidey senses are town or he is lieing. NAIit's either NAI or town indicative or mafia indicative. You say it's "NAI, or town, or lieing". What the fuck

This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right? I don't understand "I have prepared for reading Rels. I invested time into the game. Then I start this game by making absolutely useless posts that might lead to people scumreading me. I bring a certain "I dont care" factor to the game ALTHOUGH the preparation clearly shows he CARES. What part of that do you not understand?

Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did. I disagreeCool. But I agree. Can you please not throw away a theory in two words?

His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push. Decent point

Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!" I agree with everything you say here. But why would mafia create such a stupid lie?... Just so random.Because mafia might very well feel the need to justify a vote that is completely against what everyone else is doing. "Hey, I dont want to commit to something, so I just vote the AFK guy. But I need an explanation for that". Claiming the preparation doesn't make sense when your next action is voting the guy you prepared for - but it DOES make sense if you feel like you want to gain town points for your vote somehow.

The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum). When having only townreads, voting an afker is not the worst decisionThat's correct but you have to admit that Tumblewood is not exactly commiting on anything which again, is mafia indicative.

Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour. Or trash town behavior. Like... Why is it mafia behavior. He is not looking good at all.Double standards. He is considered trash town, I am considered scum although I'm currently explaining my heart out

On April 07 2017 20:00 Koshi wrote:

It is our right to do so. Also, how you interact with us shows me you see us all 3 as "equals". While sl and I were scumreads. Now you already flipped on me (which is nai) but why also sl?

Anyway you don't have to defend constantly.

Problem is Calix and Shape are not here. And Rels is afk again.

On April 07 2017 20:06 beentheredonethat wrote:

I don't see you as "equals". I see you and rayn as the guys who keep pushing me and sl as the guy who's mad at me and content in voting for me.

Please stop making things up, once more :/

On April 07 2017 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker and Calix.