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beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 10:40 GMT
#581
On April 07 2017 19:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix?

On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about.


Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread.

However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway).

I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here.


Why did you ever townread her?

This one? Probably meta. I remember Calix being very active and aggressive as town. No one-liners, instead she has a habit of thoroughly explaining herself. It's a bit like I have it with disformation, whenever this guy enters the game, I tend to townread him. It's probably weird.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 07 2017 10:40 GMT
#582
On April 07 2017 19:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:36 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:35 sicklucker wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:33 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:32 sicklucker wrote:
lynch beentheredonethat then one of shape and rels

GET ME OUT :D

town!Calix her conversation with a mafia!btdt MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.
You somewhat know who Calix is right? meta?


no? looked townie unless shes a notorious busser

How? How? How the fuck did she buss btdt if she 2 times within 4 posts denieing for "going after him" and "scumreading him" and then in the next 5 posts tries to end the conversation 4 times?

Are you for fucking real?

Exactly this, Koshi.

Koshi's behaviour, his push on me and also this post let's me think he's town. This doesn't feel like drive-by scum-Koshi that I am used to from hosting and playing.

If you think I am town now.

Start looking into Calix more. I need you to have a strong stance on her. Well documented. Well argumantated.
I had a good night of sleep.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 07 2017 10:40 GMT
#583
On April 07 2017 19:36 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:34 sicklucker wrote:
On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.

Like, what is Tumble even doing?

* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless)
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment
* BUT ends up calling me bad town
* one more townread on Shape
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla)

This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right?

Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.

His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push.

Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!"

The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum).

Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour.



getting sick townreads apparently

can you please shut your fucking mouth

you react to my huge post with this bullshit you're exceptionally fucking bad if you're town or your scum right away

really go fuck yourself



ok ya this is uncalled for its one thing between me and ryan because we were kind of prevoking each other but I have literraly said nothing personal with you. like wtf? i was about to quit and not handle this but now im like wtf its probably just fake rage
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 07 2017 10:40 GMT
#584
##unvote
##vote Calix


Not a big fan of btdt but we will see.
I had a good night of sleep.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 10:40 GMT
#585
On April 07 2017 19:38 sicklucker wrote:
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On April 07 2017 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am curious why btdt does respond to Koshi but not to me.


or me

that's because you don't make sense, are annoying, and I just get frustrated talking to you. Your answer to my tumbleweed post completely disqualified you from interacting with me anytime soon and I'm glad to see you removed from the game.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 07 2017 10:41 GMT
#586
ya ok im done gl hf with your game
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 10:42 GMT
#587
On April 07 2017 19:40 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:36 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:35 sicklucker wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:33 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:32 sicklucker wrote:
lynch beentheredonethat then one of shape and rels

GET ME OUT :D

town!Calix her conversation with a mafia!btdt MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.
You somewhat know who Calix is right? meta?


no? looked townie unless shes a notorious busser

How? How? How the fuck did she buss btdt if she 2 times within 4 posts denieing for "going after him" and "scumreading him" and then in the next 5 posts tries to end the conversation 4 times?

Are you for fucking real?

Exactly this, Koshi.

Koshi's behaviour, his push on me and also this post let's me think he's town. This doesn't feel like drive-by scum-Koshi that I am used to from hosting and playing.

If you think I am town now.

Start looking into Calix more. I need you to have a strong stance on her. Well documented. Well argumantated.

I can't deliver that right now.The status quo of Calix is what happened yesterday, and I'd say it's a scumlean on her right now. It's not enough for me to join a wagon over tumble.

Also I dislike how my points on tumble just got completely under the radar, would love if you guys could pick them up, too.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 07 2017 10:43 GMT
#588
On April 07 2017 19:42 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:40 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:36 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:35 sicklucker wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:33 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:32 sicklucker wrote:
lynch beentheredonethat then one of shape and rels

GET ME OUT :D

town!Calix her conversation with a mafia!btdt MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.
You somewhat know who Calix is right? meta?


no? looked townie unless shes a notorious busser

How? How? How the fuck did she buss btdt if she 2 times within 4 posts denieing for "going after him" and "scumreading him" and then in the next 5 posts tries to end the conversation 4 times?

Are you for fucking real?

Exactly this, Koshi.

Koshi's behaviour, his push on me and also this post let's me think he's town. This doesn't feel like drive-by scum-Koshi that I am used to from hosting and playing.

If you think I am town now.

Start looking into Calix more. I need you to have a strong stance on her. Well documented. Well argumantated.

I can't deliver that right now.The status quo of Calix is what happened yesterday, and I'd say it's a scumlean on her right now. It's not enough for me to join a wagon over tumble.

Also I dislike how my points on tumble just got completely under the radar, would love if you guys could pick them up, too.

Because we need to grill you first and then maybe accept your points. I am looking in your filter now.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:43 GMT
#589
On April 07 2017 19:22 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:11 beentheredonethat wrote:
Regarding Koshi's vote on me: I think Koshi is interpreting way too much into my asdasdkjlkajsdlkasjdl thing. It shouldn't, especially in light of everything else I do, justify a vote. Not only am I present in thread, participate in a good way (with maybe flawed results), but also I am very open to discussions and dropping quite hard opinions on people. I tend to be absolutely inactive or super-bussy as scum and I don't think I'm replicating this meta here (which ofc is no 100% proof of me being town).

Also, there was this one game where I was lynched because I claimed doc vs. the actual cop or something (nomination for worst play of 2017 included) and I think if you just skim my low volume filter there you'll find a lot of similarities to my current filter.

I'm not willing to promise I'll improve but I am willing to promise that I'll try to improve. Feels bad to have thread consensus being "btdt is bad town" and it's also not really motivating to put more effort in, but then again it's my own fault.


Dude. I don't think anyone is bad town by default. At least i am trying to understand how you get into the conclusions you do. Just try to explain yourself if you're town.

First of all could you answer me in what i asked you about your read progression on Calix? It's around p3-4 in my filter.

The bad town thing comes from Calix and also Tumblewood (and someone else? dunno right now)
I've answered the Calix thing.

If this is your final answer then you're mafia.
Because you had a town read on Calix 100% at some point.
On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix?

On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about.


Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread.

However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway).

I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here.


And this read progression doesn't have it.
table for two on a tv tray
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 07 2017 10:44 GMT
#590
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.

THEN STARTS A FUCKING ARGUMENT FOR NO REASON

like i was 5 seconds away from sending a certain someone something but now I just want to lynch him for probably being mafia
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:47 GMT
#591
In this post:
On April 06 2017 20:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 20:06 Calix wrote:
On April 06 2017 20:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
Do you think it's worth pushing, Calix?


No, I don't.

But that's not the point.

You clearly think it is.

Why does it matter what I think then?

Can you not pretend I "clearly" think it is and consider the sentence that comes right after "I think it's worth a push"?

Can you also think about why I put "I think" in front of "It's worth a push"? Normally, that means that a person wants to imply a certain level of uncertainty about something. We're both town, right? So we want to help each other out by judging each other's thoughts. So you can either pick up what I say and drop your own opinion, or you can go after me because I do not place a vote on the very first maybe pushable thing that I find when the game is three pages and some hours in.


table for two on a tv tray
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 07 2017 10:50 GMT
#592
On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood. Why is this added in this post. Such a bad start bro. It shows you are refreshing the game but you can't join the conversation, and in the mean time you are typing up a big post and that is something mafia prefers to do. There is also nothing on rayn or sicklucker that helps the thread here

Like, what is Tumble even doing?

* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter NAI
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless) I dislike your interpretation of those posts
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix NAI
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment Not true at all. Thread sentiment was against Calix
* BUT ends up calling me bad town So what?
* one more townread on ShapeNAI
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels Did he? lol. NAI though
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla) spidey senses are town or he is lieing. NAI

This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right? I don't understand

Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did. I disagree

His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push. Decent point

Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!" I agree with everything you say here. But why would mafia create such a stupid lie?... Just so random.

The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum). When having only townreads, voting an afker is not the worst decision

Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour. Or trash town behavior. Like... Why is it mafia behavior. He is not looking good at all.


I had a good night of sleep.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 10:51 GMT
#593
On April 07 2017 19:43 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:42 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:40 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:36 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:35 sicklucker wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:33 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:32 sicklucker wrote:
lynch beentheredonethat then one of shape and rels

GET ME OUT :D

town!Calix her conversation with a mafia!btdt MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.
You somewhat know who Calix is right? meta?


no? looked townie unless shes a notorious busser

How? How? How the fuck did she buss btdt if she 2 times within 4 posts denieing for "going after him" and "scumreading him" and then in the next 5 posts tries to end the conversation 4 times?

Are you for fucking real?

Exactly this, Koshi.

Koshi's behaviour, his push on me and also this post let's me think he's town. This doesn't feel like drive-by scum-Koshi that I am used to from hosting and playing.

If you think I am town now.

Start looking into Calix more. I need you to have a strong stance on her. Well documented. Well argumantated.

I can't deliver that right now.The status quo of Calix is what happened yesterday, and I'd say it's a scumlean on her right now. It's not enough for me to join a wagon over tumble.

Also I dislike how my points on tumble just got completely under the radar, would love if you guys could pick them up, too.

Because we need to grill you first and then maybe accept your points. I am looking in your filter now.

But then do it D1 instead of dragging it out to some frustrating point where I'm like "hey I have good ideas but because of my D1, you lynch me"
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 07 2017 10:51 GMT
#594
On April 07 2017 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In this post:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 20:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 06 2017 20:06 Calix wrote:
On April 06 2017 20:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
Do you think it's worth pushing, Calix?


No, I don't.

But that's not the point.

You clearly think it is.

Why does it matter what I think then?

Can you not pretend I "clearly" think it is and consider the sentence that comes right after "I think it's worth a push"?

Can you also think about why I put "I think" in front of "It's worth a push"? Normally, that means that a person wants to imply a certain level of uncertainty about something. We're both town, right? So we want to help each other out by judging each other's thoughts. So you can either pick up what I say and drop your own opinion, or you can go after me because I do not place a vote on the very first maybe pushable thing that I find when the game is three pages and some hours in.



Yup. I flagged that sentence as well. It was soooooooo fucking weird.
I had a good night of sleep.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 07 2017 10:52 GMT
#595
koshi why did you change your vote. this guys mafia or hes not real life
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 10:53 GMT
#596
On April 07 2017 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:22 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:11 beentheredonethat wrote:
Regarding Koshi's vote on me: I think Koshi is interpreting way too much into my asdasdkjlkajsdlkasjdl thing. It shouldn't, especially in light of everything else I do, justify a vote. Not only am I present in thread, participate in a good way (with maybe flawed results), but also I am very open to discussions and dropping quite hard opinions on people. I tend to be absolutely inactive or super-bussy as scum and I don't think I'm replicating this meta here (which ofc is no 100% proof of me being town).

Also, there was this one game where I was lynched because I claimed doc vs. the actual cop or something (nomination for worst play of 2017 included) and I think if you just skim my low volume filter there you'll find a lot of similarities to my current filter.

I'm not willing to promise I'll improve but I am willing to promise that I'll try to improve. Feels bad to have thread consensus being "btdt is bad town" and it's also not really motivating to put more effort in, but then again it's my own fault.


Dude. I don't think anyone is bad town by default. At least i am trying to understand how you get into the conclusions you do. Just try to explain yourself if you're town.

First of all could you answer me in what i asked you about your read progression on Calix? It's around p3-4 in my filter.

The bad town thing comes from Calix and also Tumblewood (and someone else? dunno right now)
I've answered the Calix thing.

If this is your final answer then you're mafia.
Because you had a town read on Calix 100% at some point.
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix?

On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about.


Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread.

However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway).

I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here.


And this read progression doesn't have it.

Then I should add that I do think a Calix pushing people D1 is a town Calix. You're really fast with those 100% mafia things, Rayn. It might just be that someone made a mistake or is bad at explaining stuff.
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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
April 07 2017 10:53 GMT
#597
hes literraly trying to bait me into a rage quit thats the only way his actions are explainable really
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
April 07 2017 10:53 GMT
#598
On April 07 2017 19:52 sicklucker wrote:
koshi why did you change your vote. this guys mafia or hes not real life

haha I don't know. Defuse him a bit.
I had a good night of sleep.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 10:54 GMT
#599
On April 07 2017 19:53 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:22 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:11 beentheredonethat wrote:
Regarding Koshi's vote on me: I think Koshi is interpreting way too much into my asdasdkjlkajsdlkasjdl thing. It shouldn't, especially in light of everything else I do, justify a vote. Not only am I present in thread, participate in a good way (with maybe flawed results), but also I am very open to discussions and dropping quite hard opinions on people. I tend to be absolutely inactive or super-bussy as scum and I don't think I'm replicating this meta here (which ofc is no 100% proof of me being town).

Also, there was this one game where I was lynched because I claimed doc vs. the actual cop or something (nomination for worst play of 2017 included) and I think if you just skim my low volume filter there you'll find a lot of similarities to my current filter.

I'm not willing to promise I'll improve but I am willing to promise that I'll try to improve. Feels bad to have thread consensus being "btdt is bad town" and it's also not really motivating to put more effort in, but then again it's my own fault.


Dude. I don't think anyone is bad town by default. At least i am trying to understand how you get into the conclusions you do. Just try to explain yourself if you're town.

First of all could you answer me in what i asked you about your read progression on Calix? It's around p3-4 in my filter.

The bad town thing comes from Calix and also Tumblewood (and someone else? dunno right now)
I've answered the Calix thing.

If this is your final answer then you're mafia.
Because you had a town read on Calix 100% at some point.
On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix?

On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about.


Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread.

However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway).

I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here.


And this read progression doesn't have it.

Then I should add that I do think a Calix pushing people D1 is a town Calix. You're really fast with those 100% mafia things, Rayn. It might just be that someone made a mistake or is bad at explaining stuff.

That's again misunderstandable. Gosh.

Basically I thought Calix is town but wrong when she started pushing me. Then, the rest of the read developed. Judge that however you want, I know I'm town and you have to guess based on what I say so who am I to judge your judgement
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 10:54 GMT
#600
On April 07 2017 19:53 sicklucker wrote:
hes literraly trying to bait me into a rage quit thats the only way his actions are explainable really

If I'd be trying to bait you into a rage quit, I would continue interacting with you. Instead, I am ignoring you. Don't misrepresent what I'm doing.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
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