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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 21 2017 17:27 GMT
#1941
On March 22 2017 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DarthFoley why are you focusing on some stupd fucking shit that has nothing to do with the current interactions in the game, EVERY TIME?


Wtf are you talking about dude? Yall were bitching at Calix like 2 pages ago and I just read the last 10 pages because I've been in class all day. So my questions are relevant to what has been happening

I've given my opinion on Xata, Eden, and shit that's been going on in the thread. Forgive me if I have my own questions that I want answered. Seriously, fuck off if you're gonna ignore the posts I make
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 17:28 GMT
#1942
On March 22 2017 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 02:23 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 02:18 darthfoley wrote:
On March 22 2017 02:08 Damdred wrote:
Answer me this question DF

3. Scum is in a much better situation than the town thinks currently, and wants to provide the town with as little information as possible. Which is exactly what happened

You do say that this is exactly what happened. This implies that Eden is not scum as Ritoky gives us lots of information if Eden is scum.

So why do you think that Eden is scum now and voting for him?


No, I think it's quite clear ritoky's kill gives us very little information, especially at the time I made the post. It leaves all the strong vocal town in the game, for the paranoia factor, it kills the kinda wildcard player. Which is E X A C T L Y why everyone in the thread at the time was like lolwtf when the ritoky kill happened. We'll obviously see more when more flips happen.

This whole day has kind of gone in waves against various people. First, disformation, then me kinda, then Xatalos. It almost feels to me like scum are trying to mud sling, see what sticks, somehow helping Eden survive one more day. Even one day extra of scum!Eden surviving could be important later in the game.

The fact that he has checked out of this game also feels indicative of scum to me. I just don't know in what world we let Eden slide out of being lynched based off of one AMG "i'm paranoid post." Well now i'm paranoid that we're talking ourselves out of an obvious lynch



I think the current situation is good. No matter if I or Eden gets lynched in the end, scum have to play their hand to some extent. It would be safer to just bus Eden to eternity if he's the only wagon and scum. And I think if he was town, he would have been lynched comfortably like Malongo, so that's likely the situation (town vs scum).

I think if you're town the current situation would not be "good".


Well, consider this. What is more dangerous for scum, a heated 1v1 or a silent one wagon? And which one is more likely to hit scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 21 2017 17:29 GMT
#1943
I gotta find something, a song for you. gimme a sec.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 21 2017 17:30 GMT
#1944
On March 22 2017 02:23 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 02:18 darthfoley wrote:
On March 22 2017 02:08 Damdred wrote:
Answer me this question DF

3. Scum is in a much better situation than the town thinks currently, and wants to provide the town with as little information as possible. Which is exactly what happened

You do say that this is exactly what happened. This implies that Eden is not scum as Ritoky gives us lots of information if Eden is scum.

So why do you think that Eden is scum now and voting for him?


No, I think it's quite clear ritoky's kill gives us very little information, especially at the time I made the post. It leaves all the strong vocal town in the game, for the paranoia factor, it kills the kinda wildcard player. Which is E X A C T L Y why everyone in the thread at the time was like lolwtf when the ritoky kill happened. We'll obviously see more when more flips happen.

This whole day has kind of gone in waves against various people. First, disformation, then me kinda, then Xatalos. It almost feels to me like scum are trying to mud sling, see what sticks, somehow helping Eden survive one more day. Even one day extra of scum!Eden surviving could be important later in the game.

The fact that he has checked out of this game also feels indicative of scum to me. I just don't know in what world we let Eden slide out of being lynched based off of one AMG "i'm paranoid post." Well now i'm paranoid that we're talking ourselves out of an obvious lynch



I think the current situation is good. No matter if I or Eden gets lynched in the end, scum have to play their hand to some extent. It would be safer to just bus Eden to eternity if he's the only wagon and scum. And I think if he was town, he would have been lynched comfortably like Malongo, so that's likely the situation (town vs scum).


Agreed. I don't see why everyone seems to have forgotten all the points made against Eden over the past 12 hours. I think Eden has a much higher chance of flipping scum than this current wagon on you
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 21 2017 17:31 GMT
#1945
On the other hand, a fun and heated 1v1 always gets the blood pumping
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 17:32 GMT
#1946
DF, are you trying to pocket me or genuinely agreeing on everything
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 21 2017 17:33 GMT
#1947
Okay, have a (mostly) functional computer now. I'd like to apologise to rayn for flipping out at him earlier >_>

Anyway, DF has upgraded dramatically in my eyes. That's because when I was catching up, I had almost the exact same thoughts as he did.

On March 22 2017 02:04 darthfoley wrote:
Btw I still think Eden is the lynch today. I voted for disformation for CW and discussion purposes but i'm more comfortable with Eden dying than Xatalos, especially because I don't think there's been a slam dunk case for Eden's townieness yet now the winds seem to be shifting off of him even though he's done absolutely nothing.

Yea there may be question marks about Xata or whatever, but if Eden is scum and his scum mates get the obvious lynch off of him without him having posted, I will eat my own ass in frustration after this game.



On March 22 2017 02:08 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 01:06 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 01:05 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2017 01:02 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out.

Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout.

Why would he do it as mafia?

Why ask this question?
And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you?


Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical.

As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down.

As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me.

I already explained to you that there is no way rayn fucking fakeclaims to save his partner Eden. This is not fucking lylo and he can ALWAYS be counter to be CONFIRMED mafia.

Why would he be THIS FUCKING DESPERATE AS MAFIA?


Well in the vanilla setup it would make perfect sense. The situation was pretty desperate with scum vs scum wagons (assuming they're both scum).


This is why I am uncomfortable lynching Xata for the time being. He seems to be the only one seriously considering THIS specifical scenario in which rayn can't be CC'd. Is it likely? Not really, but the fact that he's arguing it is townie IMO. Like why throw this much shade towards a blue, if you're scum!Xata?????? What is the end goal


Even when he's becoming the counter-wagon, he's still harping on about rayn. I feel like scum would have stopped trying to fight with the uncounterclaimed TPR. You might go "oh he's shitting up the thread" but I don't get that vibe since he kept on at it even after he started getting flak for it. And even does it after admitting that it's a dumb idea. Since all he has accomplished by doing so is looking horrible/ drawing a tonne of attention from the UNCOUNTERCLAIMED TPR WHO IS NEVER GETTING LYNCHED TODAY/ inflating the thread, it seems like a suicidal move for scum.

Also I didn't have this thought while catching up but it's still a decent post IMO.

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 22 2017 02:18 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 02:08 Damdred wrote:
Answer me this question DF

3. Scum is in a much better situation than the town thinks currently, and wants to provide the town with as little information as possible. Which is exactly what happened

You do say that this is exactly what happened. This implies that Eden is not scum as Ritoky gives us lots of information if Eden is scum.

So why do you think that Eden is scum now and voting for him?


No, I think it's quite clear ritoky's kill gives us very little information, especially at the time I made the post. It leaves all the strong vocal town in the game, for the paranoia factor, it kills the kinda wildcard player. Which is E X A C T L Y why everyone in the thread at the time was like lolwtf when the ritoky kill happened. We'll obviously see more when more flips happen.

This whole day has kind of gone in waves against various people. First, disformation, then me kinda, then Xatalos. It almost feels to me like scum are trying to mud sling, see what sticks, somehow helping Eden survive one more day. Even one day extra of scum!Eden surviving could be important later in the game.

The fact that he has checked out of this game also feels indicative of scum to me. I just don't know in what world we let Eden slide out of being lynched based off of one AMG "i'm paranoid post." Well now i'm paranoid that we're talking ourselves out of an obvious lynch



Anyway this.

##vote Eden1892
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 21 2017 17:35 GMT
#1948
Yeah DF isn't bad reading his emotion and some responses to me as townish so far.

So the game is a lot harder than I thought.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 21 2017 17:35 GMT
#1949
On March 22 2017 02:32 Xatalos wrote:
DF, are you trying to pocket me or genuinely agreeing on everything


Nah, I mean I think there are question marks regarding you regardless of Eden's flip. I just really dislike the climate of the game right now, especially nearing the deadline
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 17:36 GMT
#1950
On March 22 2017 02:33 Calix wrote:
Okay, have a (mostly) functional computer now. I'd like to apologise to rayn for flipping out at him earlier >_>

Anyway, DF has upgraded dramatically in my eyes. That's because when I was catching up, I had almost the exact same thoughts as he did.

Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 02:04 darthfoley wrote:
Btw I still think Eden is the lynch today. I voted for disformation for CW and discussion purposes but i'm more comfortable with Eden dying than Xatalos, especially because I don't think there's been a slam dunk case for Eden's townieness yet now the winds seem to be shifting off of him even though he's done absolutely nothing.

Yea there may be question marks about Xata or whatever, but if Eden is scum and his scum mates get the obvious lynch off of him without him having posted, I will eat my own ass in frustration after this game.



Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 02:08 darthfoley wrote:
On March 22 2017 01:06 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 01:05 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2017 01:02 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out.

Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout.

Why would he do it as mafia?

Why ask this question?
And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you?


Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical.

As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down.

As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me.

I already explained to you that there is no way rayn fucking fakeclaims to save his partner Eden. This is not fucking lylo and he can ALWAYS be counter to be CONFIRMED mafia.

Why would he be THIS FUCKING DESPERATE AS MAFIA?


Well in the vanilla setup it would make perfect sense. The situation was pretty desperate with scum vs scum wagons (assuming they're both scum).


This is why I am uncomfortable lynching Xata for the time being. He seems to be the only one seriously considering THIS specifical scenario in which rayn can't be CC'd. Is it likely? Not really, but the fact that he's arguing it is townie IMO. Like why throw this much shade towards a blue, if you're scum!Xata?????? What is the end goal


Even when he's becoming the counter-wagon, he's still harping on about rayn. I feel like scum would have stopped trying to fight with the uncounterclaimed TPR. You might go "oh he's shitting up the thread" but I don't get that vibe since he kept on at it even after he started getting flak for it. And even does it after admitting that it's a dumb idea. Since all he has accomplished by doing so is looking horrible/ drawing a tonne of attention from the UNCOUNTERCLAIMED TPR WHO IS NEVER GETTING LYNCHED TODAY/ inflating the thread, it seems like a suicidal move for scum.

Also I didn't have this thought while catching up but it's still a decent post IMO.

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 22 2017 02:18 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 02:08 Damdred wrote:
Answer me this question DF

3. Scum is in a much better situation than the town thinks currently, and wants to provide the town with as little information as possible. Which is exactly what happened

You do say that this is exactly what happened. This implies that Eden is not scum as Ritoky gives us lots of information if Eden is scum.

So why do you think that Eden is scum now and voting for him?


No, I think it's quite clear ritoky's kill gives us very little information, especially at the time I made the post. It leaves all the strong vocal town in the game, for the paranoia factor, it kills the kinda wildcard player. Which is E X A C T L Y why everyone in the thread at the time was like lolwtf when the ritoky kill happened. We'll obviously see more when more flips happen.

This whole day has kind of gone in waves against various people. First, disformation, then me kinda, then Xatalos. It almost feels to me like scum are trying to mud sling, see what sticks, somehow helping Eden survive one more day. Even one day extra of scum!Eden surviving could be important later in the game.

The fact that he has checked out of this game also feels indicative of scum to me. I just don't know in what world we let Eden slide out of being lynched based off of one AMG "i'm paranoid post." Well now i'm paranoid that we're talking ourselves out of an obvious lynch



Anyway this.

##vote Eden1892


Well, I don't think DF is scum with Eden at least. And he's making sense in these posts.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 21 2017 17:37 GMT
#1951
BTW DF, I used GREEN - AS IN, TO SYMBOLISE TOWN - to highlight the parts I liked. I hope you're proud
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 21 2017 17:38 GMT
#1952
On March 22 2017 02:37 Calix wrote:
BTW DF, I used GREEN - AS IN, TO SYMBOLISE TOWN - to highlight the parts I liked. I hope you're proud


You have made me more satisfied than you can comprehend
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 17:38 GMT
#1953
Eden/AMG/rayn? Eden/Onegu/rayn? Eden/Onegu/AMG?

Maybe.

At least I think there are 2+ scum in those groups.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 21 2017 17:39 GMT
#1954
On March 22 2017 02:35 Damdred wrote:
Yeah DF isn't bad reading his emotion and some responses to me as townish so far.

So the game is a lot harder than I thought.

No it is not, lynch Xatalos and we go from there. Adam is really good at this game btw.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 21 2017 17:40 GMT
#1955
On March 22 2017 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
Eden/AMG/rayn? Eden/Onegu/rayn? Eden/Onegu/AMG?

Maybe.

At least I think there are 2+ scum in those groups.

SURPRISE MUTHAFUCKASSZZZ??? :D
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 17:40 GMT
#1956
On March 22 2017 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 02:35 Damdred wrote:
Yeah DF isn't bad reading his emotion and some responses to me as townish so far.

So the game is a lot harder than I thought.

No it is not, lynch Xatalos and we go from there. Adam is really good at this game btw.


I agree that would give stuff to work with. But not in the sense of improving your position.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
March 21 2017 17:40 GMT
#1957
On March 22 2017 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
Eden/AMG/rayn? Eden/Onegu/rayn? Eden/Onegu/AMG?

Maybe.

At least I think there are 2+ scum in those groups.


For the sake of the argument, say rayn is really the blue role he claims that has been not CC'd. Take him out of your equation. How do you feel about the other people in the game: TW, damdred, Koshi, disformation, Calix. Any pecking order currently of how you view these players?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 17:40 GMT
#1958
On March 22 2017 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 02:38 Xatalos wrote:
Eden/AMG/rayn? Eden/Onegu/rayn? Eden/Onegu/AMG?

Maybe.

At least I think there are 2+ scum in those groups.

SURPRISE MUTHAFUCKASSZZZ??? :D


?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 21 2017 17:41 GMT
#1959
On March 22 2017 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 02:35 Damdred wrote:
Yeah DF isn't bad reading his emotion and some responses to me as townish so far.

So the game is a lot harder than I thought.

No it is not, lynch Xatalos and we go from there. Adam is really good at this game btw.


Well probably so, even if lets say its Xata/Eden the third I just am having a hard time putting a finger on currently.

and i'll think about xata while i have to afk for a couple ehours
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
March 21 2017 17:42 GMT
#1960
Thank you Damdred.
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