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Damdred
15669 Posts
You stated that koshi was wrong so there must be two people outplaying him. It seems you were still slightly townreading him (at least). So what led from the frustration on koshi to outright scum read when you were in a pretty decent amount of people's poe? Especially when koshi is a known shit thrower to an extent? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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AMG
Australia298 Posts
I felt that after we tried to swing the vote onto Xalatos his reaction was a mostly town one, which left me in a really tough spot. The two people I'd said i did not like, were reacting townie to my cases and votes. I had no scum reads. Id like to think my frustration with myself for that fact was quite visible on Night 2 when Calix was pressing me for reads and I had no answer to give. Then onegu flipped town. So I threw all my reads in the bin and started over, bar Rayn, because as I said before, if he was scum and was that excited to toy with me... well thats just damn cruel. I discounted both yourself and Xalatos based on your reactions to previous attempts, discounted rayn and DF based on their claims. That left me with Koshi, Tumble and disfo. As soon as day broke on day 4, two of my "not town" reads piled onto me and I reacted, somewhat abruptly. I had the nagging feeling that Koshi was scum, and I thought TW was giving Koshi a free pass to LYLO based on this post: On March 26 2017 14:47 Tumblewood wrote: since thread is dead I will post my plan of action and you can yell at me if you want since we have 3 lynches to hit 2 scum, we lynch amg, disfo, damdred, in that order. if xata and koshi are town (most likely pair imo) then we win. if we wrote off one of those two too early we lose, but that's a chance we have to take That solidified to me that these two were scum and they were going all in on me. Of course, not the case, I hadnt countered for the fact that tumble was possibly lazy town even after our interaction the night before where he was spewing lazy anti town shit about not wanting to do extra filter reading to increase towns win rate. As far as a read is concerned on disfo, well Im not making the same mistake again and going against rayn. He dies tomorrow right after Koshi takes the swing. They tipped their hand yesterday when things were desperate. Theres NO motivation for Koshi to do what he did yesterday if disinfo is town. Zero. None. | ||
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AMG
Australia298 Posts
On March 29 2017 07:48 Damdred wrote: Also at one point (I think it's around the onegu lynch or after slightly ) I remember you being frustrated koshi thought you were scum. You stated that koshi was wrong so there must be two people outplaying him. It seems you were still slightly townreading him (at least). So what led from the frustration on koshi to outright scum read when you were in a pretty decent amount of people's poe? Especially when koshi is a known shit thrower to an extent? That was my way of calling him shit. Didnt know if he was town or otherwise at that point. | ||
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AMG
Australia298 Posts
Hows the family going? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I'm a game related more what worries me is that koshi does this to a town disformation to distract from partner xata /amg and gets a free win from association. I'm not sit if the wifom in that regard is enough though. I just don't want people to afk vote and not explore all options in that regard. Like I want @disformation to explain hiseden progression and what he thinks of the people left alive and why because his scum pool is basically small. And explain why it's then | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
So koshi voting xata could be distancing and vuddying rayn when Eden is going to be lynched. But Doesnt make a ton of sense to not just lynch scum Eden for koshi if xata is his partner. Disf gets shit in in lot in koshi filter but idk it's kind of weird as well. Like I think I might need to sit down and look closer at all three filter. Like xata eod came off a bit clean and it was shittybof him to sit of Shi on people on tumble when he was going to switch to cause he hated who was on the disf wagon. And disf emotional about thinking he was going to be lynched sort of reads good to him? But kinda meh on these points. | ||
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AMG
Australia298 Posts
In a world where disfo is town, Koshi could have just afk'd on Disfo like he said he was going to, we lynch disfo, then he gets to say "well i just followed confirmed town rayn onto this wagon, not my fault". And the only person that was completely sold on his scumness at that point was me. Rayn gets shot overnight, Koshi continues to dump shit on me over the next day, Xalatos is happy enough to lynch me tomorrow, or possibly tumble. Theres so much more room to win from there if disfo isnt scum with him. | ||
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AMG
Australia298 Posts
Its been long enough. The sound of silence is deafening. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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AMG
Australia298 Posts
 And koshi is flipping scum. If hes flips town i swear to christ i will hang shit on him for the rest of forever for the most outrageously bad last minute vote switch. Onto his highest town read. lul. | ||
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AMG
Australia298 Posts
On March 29 2017 10:11 Damdred wrote: I know but in lylo if koshibflips scum (I think so) we need to discuss this thing with as many alive as we can in case it's me xata disf and really xata halfway lazy today to meh. If its you and Xata in LYLO, you vote with Xata. No way hes scum. Not after me and rayn and koshi tried to move the lynch to him on D2 over Eden. IF those 3 are scum together, that means a concious choice by the scum team to move the lynch from the AFK goon, onto the active and mostly town read scum power role. Not buying it! And Xata was a realistic lynch there, only would have taken 1 or two off of the eden lynch to come across and it would have been enough with the 3 of us already on there. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On March 29 2017 10:08 AMG wrote: And lastly, if disfo is not scum, why the sam-hill arent they in here defending themselves. Its been long enough. The sound of silence is deafening. would you kindly go fuck yourself? On March 28 2017 09:11 AMG wrote: Koshi is scum, Disfo is town, tumble town. He does a last second hammer vote to move from one townie to another, which he had just finished saying was "only one making sense" drawing heavy scrutiny from the thread and outing himself as scum for no potential benefit. Nope. Koshi is scum, Disfo is scum, tumble town. He does a last second hammer vote onto tumble to save his teammate from being lynched and drag the game out another cycle. Winner. koshi is scum, disfo is town, tumble town. koshi moves from town to town, because scum basically wins in lylo for free. @damdy: saw your questions, will answer when i get more time. | ||
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disformation
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
D5 Vote Count Koshi (4): Xatalos, AMG, Damdred, disformation Not voting (1): Koshi Currently, Koshi is set to be lynched in (at Thursday, Mar 30 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)). | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On March 29 2017 10:01 AMG wrote: I think sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and these two are just scum. In a world where disfo is town, Koshi could have just afk'd on Disfo like he said he was going to, we lynch disfo, then he gets to say "well i just followed confirmed town rayn onto this wagon, not my fault". And the only person that was completely sold on his scumness at that point was me. Rayn gets shot overnight, Koshi continues to dump shit on me over the next day, Xalatos is happy enough to lynch me tomorrow, or possibly tumble. Theres so much more room to win from there if disfo isnt scum with him. Yeah, it just seems better to stay on disfo if disfo is town. Koshi still looks somewhat townie, Tumble is an easy mislynch in the future and everything just works out better. No need to do such a crazy risky play with town disfo.. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On March 29 2017 06:07 Damdred wrote: Yeah only way to really get past today. But let's not just afk it ignore koshi I guess and search. AMG, when the vote got so tight why didn't you go back to rayn? Or when he said he wasn't sswitching why did you stay? Disformation and xata can you both explain your progression on your Eden read? Me? Why not I guess. Not that I remember the details anymore, but I think he opened the game decently enough (with plausible-looking cases etc.), but then never really pursued them (or anything) and simply looked worse and worse towards the end of N1. At that point I was still more concerned about rayn, but after he claimed, I reread some things and thought that Eden/DF looked the worst out of all filters. And it was me vs Eden so obviously I would vote for Eden. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On March 29 2017 06:07 Damdred wrote: Yeah only way to really get past today. But let's not just afk it ignore koshi I guess and search. AMG, when the vote got so tight why didn't you go back to rayn? Or when he said he wasn't sswitching why did you stay? Disformation and xata can you both explain your progression on your Eden read? Eden started out null. was slightly confused when he came in with a rehash of my scum read on calix. read confused as: really got mixed signals of a) did he really like the points or b) scum trying to look like doing stuff. felt bit better about eden when he posted other stuffs. after the mal misslynch i look again at some vote reasoning and stuff and note that eden ones was fairly bleh. when i come back to the thread eden posted a really bad post and ritoky had a real damn good explanation why that post was real bad. ritoky gets conf. town via nk. i vote eden. eden never comes back. eh also. if you guys think i am scum with eden. why didnt i switch with the votes being: eden1892 (4): damdred, disformation, disformation (3): Calix, darthfoley, Xatalos (3): raynpelikoneet, AMG, Koshi calix and df where still on me at that time, but werent really into lynching me at that time. prolly not much cred to be had either. so why wouldnt i want to try some stuff here? | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On March 29 2017 09:43 Damdred wrote: It's going pretty well, wife is a bit moody and still has a small amount of resentment to me. Seth sleeps lots, lilian cries a lot. So all in all pretty happy. I'm a game related more what worries me is that koshi does this to a town disformation to distract from partner xata /amg and gets a free win from association. I'm not sit if the wifom in that regard is enough though. I just don't want people to afk vote and not explore all options in that regard. Like I want @disformation to explain hiseden progression and what he thinks of the people left alive and why because his scum pool is basically small. And explain why it's then aight thats a bit of a hard one. going to assume koshi flips scum (otherwise it doesnt matter since game over). i feel like koshi tried to push everyone in the thread. damdy being with koshi would explain why koshi scum read damdy super scum but voted someone else over damdy. but then there would be the mega bus and damdy seems to be the only one still thinking about the game. xata + koshi + eden would make little sense given how d2 went. more likely scum!koshi tried to get town!xata lynched to by scum!eden one more day. so could scum!amg and scum!koshi try to push xata together? mayhaps. though amg didnt seem very interested to actually push. so unless something really insane went down d2 i dont see it being xata. there are some points that could fit with damdy + koshi, but then there is the eden thing. so not very likely. then we have amg, with whom i still have the same problems with as yesterday. plus he annoyed me earlier. so. when/if i find the time ill look at damdy/koshi and amgs filters again. not reading xatas filter. that thing is an aberration. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
think he wanted us all dead. at least until he changed his mind on me. -.- | ||
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