EPT[M][N] I'm a Cop You Idiot Mafia -- Town's Revenge - Page 5
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First Malongo, I don't know your experience in mafia. I've never seen you, but the database shows that you have several games played already. I don't know if you've ever played with Palmar and LightningStrike, but you can't use the same things to read them. Palmar is always more townie than LS - as either alignments for Palmar and LS. Palmar was considered the best player on this website in 2015. Granted that's a long time ago and now the only #1 place he can have is Best Game, but he's still a great player. Until very recently, LS was an extremely easy read 'cause his scumread was super bad. His recent scumgames have been impressive though, but he still can be read after adjusting. I'll explain that in a moment. So. Nothing Palmar has done this game is anything he couldn't do as scum. Nothing. Furthermore, his lack of fighting since the start of this game is scum indicative for anyone, and especially for him. Palmar hates being lynched. town!Palmar is very hard to lynch. Actually his philosophy is "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault": On December 04 2015 22:05 Palmar wrote: Dude... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10890802 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10936906 I'm literally the goddamn prophet of "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault". That ties very well into what I was saying earlier about why I should never be vigged. + Show Spoiler [TOTALLY USELESS TO THE REST OF THE POST] + And here is how Palmar is able to construct post that fast So knowing that, then reading Palmar filter, you can see it's pretty unlikely be town!Palmar. It's lacking the will. The fighting. Just calling everyone and especially me bad and not bothering anymore. This is not town!Palmar, who in PyP carried the entire lazy town on his back to an almost clean sweep. LightningStrike on the other hand had very townie posts. As said before, he has a good scumgame now. But what he still fails to replicate is how he always doubt and chose the easy as town. He was actually pretty decisive as scum in the last games he played, talking about Millionaire and Liquidmafia Qualifier#1 there. Here we can see him doubting things that SHOULD be obvious. And WOULD be obvious to him if he was scum. Because he's over confident on "THIS DUDE IS CONF TOWN/SCUM" as scum. These posts, I don't see LS doing them unless his scumgame improved AGAIN (and if that happened, then I have no idea how I will read him next game we play together): On February 10 2017 07:23 LightningStrike wrote: With that being said idk if it makes palmar scum or trying to bait a shot on him instead the real cop (me). On February 10 2017 07:29 LightningStrike wrote: Fine but I wanted to make sure he's scum 100%  Thinking Palmar could be town fakeclaiming and wanting to check him. On February 11 2017 08:23 LightningStrike wrote: Well there is a chance you are scum though. Maybe I should check Damdred if we end up not lynching anyone today. Showing doubts about ritoky when the easy target is Malongo. I think LS goes "the team is Palmar / Malongo" as scum, like Damdred and I did during D1. It was the easy target. It was the easy red check to fake as scum too. Voilà about the reads on Palmar and LS themselves. Just taking that into account I'm lynching Palmar 80% of the time there. The first lynch is never the highest probability lynch, which is why it's complicated to have a slamdunk scum in this setup since we only have one lynch, but I would lynch Palmar over LS for that. BUT THAT IS NOT ALL. Now let's take into consideration the other players interactions with Palmar and LS. | ||
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IF RITOKY IS SCUM. Well, palmar is scum. So no need to consider that since I'm trying to prove Palmar is scum. | ||
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His treatment of Palmar is very partner indicative. First, you need to know that Damdred is known to bus. A lot. And in this game if he bussed, Palmar is his partner. But more than that, he showed TMI. During D1 he read Palmar as 99% scum, but at the same time tried to lynch you, Malongo. This is extremely logical if he's scum: on one hand he scumread the dude that he knows being scum, but can't afford to lynch; on the other hand, he's trying to get a mislynch. And in doing that, he did something that scum sometimes do when they bus; he used the fact that he KNEW that Palmar was scum to try to lynch ANOTHER TOWNIE: On February 12 2017 22:32 Damdred wrote: Yeah I was just busy yesterday or I would of posted more. Like to me the game is really simple, I think LS is just town. I think as scum he would of caved to me badgering him with all of my questions about the doc claim but he just stubbornly kept his no opinion that he did before. I really think as scum he would of just caved at that point and given me what I wanted. Rels is confirmed town and green. So basically the game boils down to Rit vs Mal for me and i'm pretty sure my meta read is still accurate on Rit. Mal has been pretty anti-town and seemingly mafia oriented this game. His doc claim was never going to draw a shot especially if Palmar was scum. It felt more like him trying to draw a CC early in the game and just go with that. He keeps soft scum reading me without any real explanation and just name dropping me he started that n0 with no real explanation. His latest posts not giving any information are still horrid. And then his rescinded claim was just as bad only after direct pressure and people saying they didnt' believe him did he take it back. Hes the 2nd scum. And in either case if LS/Palmar can get a second check tonight the game is over anyway. On February 13 2017 04:17 Damdred wrote: That's an interesting swing from malongo. Puts Palmar one from lynch then moved to no lynch. Idk the whole sequence has me uneasy, like hints that he knows Palmar is red with his little hint hint thing but then instantly backs off because he could be the real dt. I'm fact the read progression doesn't make any sense, he starts at Palmar has to be the cop over ls because of his bad posts. Gates both checked rels and then bites Palmar and almost iinstantly unvotes. I can only see mafia motivation in that. I know you want to lynch Palmar today rels but I think the correct play is to lynch malongo today. Then finish the game with Palmar v ls. ##vote malongo And as for your early question rels I think it's 99%. And if mal is scum I think their is no doubt it's palmar. So join me on this one. This is TMI. Right there. If it isn't it's the most perfect fake TMI that I've ever seen. Damdred is drawing a Palmar / Malongo team and tries to lynch Malongo. But when I'm trying to make him change his mind and kill Palmar instead, he refuses: On February 13 2017 04:26 Damdred wrote: If that's what we are relying on though we should no lunch then. The night kill will be more interesting with Palm/lls alive since they can't kill the cop without saccing and the doc should probably protect you and then we have a kill between ritoky and me. Then the real cop checks mal me or rit. So more than likely the game is over with a no lynch here to. Idk just seems simple like that. Doc claims, good report checks. Game is over. And really what if I'm wrong on ls even if this is the 1% he's emulating really well and one ml and a lose I think. If he's scum, why ? He was ready to convince people that Malongo was scum and try to kill him. I was obviously more than ready to lynch Palmar. Malongo was easy to convince. LS was voting him. IF DAMDRED WAS SCUM AND PALMAR TOWN DAMDRED FAILED TO GRAB A CHANCE TO LYNCH PALMAR VERY EASILY. Just had to say "Well OK Rels ##vote Palmar". At that point it's important to remember that we'ret alking about scum!Damdred. If Damdred is not scum, ritoky is scum => Palmar is scum. So we're talking about Damdred being scum there => the explanation cannot be "Damdred was town and not that sure Palmar was town". WE RE TALKING ABOUT THE SCENARIO WHERE DAMDRED IS SCUM THERE. WHY DID HE NOT PUSH FOR A PALMAR LYNCH ? THE GAME WAS WON RIGHT THERE. So these two points make me believe really hard that if Damdred is scum, Palmar is scum. | ||
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On February 15 2017 04:40 Damdred wrote: I really hate you giving incorrect meta thats obviously changed rels. I barely ever bus anymore :'(. really have changed that facet of my game meh. Why do you even care, I'm fighting for a Palmar lynch there. p: If you're doc ritoky will concede after Palmar is lynched | ||
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LIGHTNINGSTRIKE: you check Damdred. DAMDRED: you protect LightningStrike. RITOKY: you protect LightninStrike. Tomorrow we lynch Damdred if the check is red, or ritoky if the check is green. | ||
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On February 15 2017 05:58 ritoky wrote: I am super confused, but happy. Why would damdred vote his partner, that's just effectively conceding....w/e there's no real discussion to be had anymore. I am protecting LS, he will green check me or red check you, either way the game is over. WIFOM | ||
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On February 15 2017 06:00 ritoky wrote: It's not wifom, it's the truth. You'll see in 24 hours or less. My claim will stand through checks. lol. I'm talking about Damdred's actions | ||
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On February 15 2017 02:07 Damdred wrote: Ritoky has to vote Palmar to not out himself as mafia at this point in the hopes of going 1 v 1 against me. So if you are siding with me mal hammer Palmar and we can finish this. this was the WIFOM try-to-make-people-doubt | ||
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On February 15 2017 06:02 ritoky wrote: It can't really be WIFOM though in the current gamestate. There's no discussion the following day if you leave the cop and medic alive. The game quite simply just ends because it is fully solved. I understand in a game-state where there's actual wiggle room to talk your way out, but that isn't this game. I agree. Game is over now as long as blues play properly. What I'm saying is that Damdred voted Palmar in a WIFOM attempt. He voted Palmar just after I started changing Malongo's mind about LS and he unvoted. | ||
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On February 15 2017 06:05 ritoky wrote: I would be very frustrated if I were palmar though. I hate it when you put tons of effort into a 1v1 scenario, the other guy doesn't do much of anything, and everyone TRs him for effectively "dumb" reasons. meh dunno about that. None of his posts were townie. Every big posts he had was about mechanics or about how town was bad. | ||
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On February 15 2017 06:08 ritoky wrote: Also if you're still reading this, mb vivax, I almost switched the prot onto you. Talked myself down from it though. lol why did you protect me N0 | ||
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On February 15 2017 06:12 ritoky wrote: Well that's the quality of the posts lacking, not the effort level. Plus I have been on the other side trying to scream people out of their LS reads before. It is a very dumb experience. To me, people just seem to arbitrarily take some tiny thing and make up their mind without ever reconsidering when it comes to him (and rsoul to a degree); even if they get burned they still do it again the following game. well that game you make reference to was the first game LS showed a strong scumgame. I'm respecting his scumgame way more now, it can be scarier that before. The thing that fucked Palmar most was not LS being townread for nothing, but Damdred interactions with him. | ||
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On February 14 2017 23:47 Palmar wrote: When France sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems to us. They're bringing bad. They're bringing wrong. They're stubborn. =D | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:49 Palmar wrote: you are retarded. I didn't want to talk about the cop options on n1 because of several reasons: I did not want a cross-check with scum (which I ended up getting anyway) I did not want the scum to shoot my check I did not want scum to panic and go for a big play (try to hope the doc is retarded and didn't protect me) on n1 if I announced I was checking scum I was hoping LS might fuck up and check me (yes, this has happened, more than once in this setup. Mafia claims cop, then claims to check the real cop "to be sure"). Wow I didn't got it but this is another scumtell right there. He absolutely didn't "hope LS might get fucked and check me" 'cause he tutored LS about him being scum in his POV: On February 10 2017 07:37 Palmar wrote: Jesus please I cannot be town because I am not retarded enough to fake claim cop as town, it's terrible to do so. Which brings me to, if this is a stunt, and you're trying to give me a hint that you're actually fake claiming by talking about it, just retract, because it's 100% useless to fake cop as town in this setup. So if you somehow are town and thought it was a good idea, stop RIGHT NOW. I cba dealing with a more complex game than I have to. And more importantly. THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE. So what if scum!LS "checks" Palmar ? That doesn't make him any scummier or townier, it's just a super bad check. So he's talking about making LS "waste" a check, but since in his POV LS is scum, there is no check to waste | ||
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