Liquidmania Qualifier #2

On January 16 2017 03:10 LightningStrike wrote:
TBH though if Damdred keeps pushing all of Day 1 and thinks I scum then he pretty much will claim scum just fyi since he normally can read me well.

On January 16 2017 03:11 LightningStrike wrote:

But I already rolled scum in the last qualifiers what are the chances I rolled scum twice in a row for these qualifiers?

On January 18 2017 00:32 Rels wrote:

First, what's weird with these ?
Second, this is majority vote. You will need to vote for the main wagon before deadline

On January 18 2017 00:31 Vivax wrote:


So gambler's fallacy is a surefire scum trait?

More like a common human trait.

On January 16 2017 03:47 Vivax wrote:


It's early in the game I'm perfectly fine with leaving it at that, just wanted to get a possible interpretation out of the system after noticing your attitude.



Do you think I can't replicate that as scum? Dunno why you feel like posting this already. I mean ok, it's never bad to be posting reads. But just this post alone in the room looks a bit solitary.

It's just that I'm used to everyone saying that I become obvious as scum as the game progresses and I thought you adopted that point of view as well.

On January 18 2017 00:34 Vivax wrote:


PLEASE finish reading before posting, I don't want to go through another Rels. This thread is really small too.

On January 16 2017 21:37 Rels wrote:

I think LS could be scum. I find Damdred's reasons to townread LS bad. Damdred is supposed to have a god meta read on LS. So if Damdred is scum, he's using his god meta read as an excuse to just give a townread to someone he knows is town, even though it doesn't show in the thread.

On January 16 2017 21:41 Rels wrote:
That's where I'm at, town to scum:
Vivax HF
Onegu Slam Damdred BM
LS Hapa

On January 16 2017 22:28 LightningStrike wrote:

Something feels off like it doesn't seem Town vs Town especially how they were interacting with each other it feels forced somewhere and or how the arguments were presented.

On January 18 2017 01:05 Rels wrote:

Damdred wouldn't break anything if he's scum. Anyway catch up then we can talk

You are in the null row.

On January 18 2017 01:06 Alakaslam wrote:
The reason is that if Hapa is scum and he is lynching Holyflare, he will dominate. End of story.

But we would have to wait for him to survive night

I just realized this is more wifom then I had thought. Vivax is right.

Dammit I hate this situation so bad

On January 18 2017 01:08 Alakaslam wrote:

Aaand I forgot it was this type.

If HF is the only wagon, and needs a vote to be lynched, I will hammer.

On January 17 2017 00:59 Alakaslam wrote:

Bemoaning that everyone struggles with too much aggression, yes. You more than Hapa.

It seems like no one is careful but Palmar. Bah.

It also says that I feel there is much ado over nothing going on.

On January 17 2017 01:03 Holyflare wrote:
Ok we're definitely in a different game if you think hapa is conf town. Your read on me is also totally different to last game. Last game you gave me advice and picked an alignment whereas this game you're leaving me open to interpretation.

What's different about this game and that?

On January 17 2017 01:03 Rels wrote:

OK. Hapa being sheepable and conftown is not true. He spent the majority of his time talking about stuff that didn't advance the game further. His stuff where he calls people town or scum are obvious surface things that do'nt make people town or scum

On January 17 2017 01:03 Hapahauli wrote:


How am I sheepable when the only public read I've stuck with is a town read on Vivax?

On January 17 2017 01:07 Hapahauli wrote:
Waitwaitwaitwait dont' leave now.

Why are you reading me as town? Because that's the opposite conclusion that everyone else has reached. I've had a pretty awkward start to Day 1 so far, and the "Hapa conf town" thing is as if you didn't read the thread and already know my alignment.

On January 17 2017 01:12 Damdred wrote:


Hi slam, brown is the color of the earth and something we all must cherish and love.

Is the color green as important as brown to you? as it is the color of life and growth?

On January 17 2017 01:15 LightningStrike wrote:

Town
Damdred: Meta and actions suggest more likely town than scum.
Vivax: He had good pressure on Hapa and then later pressuring Rels.
Null:
HF: Easily could do those stuff from both alignment.
Rels: Need more posts from him to get better read on him.
Slam: Need him to explain his Hapa read a bit more.
Onegu: Only made 2 posts need more posts from him period.
Hapa: Would be my scum in the fight between him and HF didn't like the way he had shut down HF's push on you. But is okay but still questionable.

On January 17 2017 01:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Could move Hapa more of a scumread than null but only a slight lean though.

On January 17 2017 01:20 Rels wrote:
Slam, your reason to call Hapa conf town is horrible. It doesn't make sense. Even in the weird way you post. Actually, especially with the weird way you post. Someone using logic doesn't mean they're town. That's actually the opposite

On January 17 2017 01:23 Rels wrote:
Vivax you are fucking dumb. Reread everything. Then if it's not clear I'll do a post by post defense where I'll explain exactly what's my LS read. But that is so useless that I don't want to waste time doing that. The basic is that I ddin't find LS scummy when I read that Damred post, then I found LS scummy when I finished reading the thread. The end.

On January 17 2017 01:30 Rels wrote:

Well now that you know the fucking facts you can stop being a pain in the ass

On January 17 2017 02:18 Alakaslam wrote:
I am very much looking forward to Bill Murray

On January 17 2017 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.

##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.

On January 17 2017 10:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Alright this Day 1 is the pits. I can't remember a game I've ever played where I've struggled to find something to even post. No matter how much I look back over the thread, I end up at Damdred and Onegu, whilst praying that Bill Murray gets mod-killed.

It's almost 9 and Damdred isn't back and still hasn't done anything. I guess I could feel good lynching him based on the uselessness. But it isn't satisfying by any means. It doesn't feel like something like this has a good chance of hitting mafia.

Maybe going over some meta is the answer. Idunno. Expect a wall of text in the next hour or so.

On January 18 2017 02:06 Vivax wrote:


Why would you dislike it if it's obvious that mafia isn't pushing him, as I am the only one?

If HF is mafia and Damdred isn't, why is nobody besides me trying to bring more attention to Damdred?

HF himself not trying to deflect the lynch off himself onto Damdred looks townie at glance but I treat it as wifom.

On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.

Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around.

On January 18 2017 02:08 Holyflare wrote:


I have no idea because I don't know what a staple town you or mafia you is. I'm going by what I imagine a player that has been lynched 0-1 times as town would play and I know you're capable of wall of flashy text. I think all your reasons for voting people are surface level and say nothing.

It has minimal pages but there's a LOT of content to go on.

On January 18 2017 02:09 Holyflare wrote:


ls is voting me over hapa

On January 18 2017 02:10 Holyflare wrote:


damdred
is
a
coin
flip

I don't think hapa is.

On January 18 2017 02:11 Onegu wrote:
Would let you lynch me over HF. I think he is a coin flip at best and the chance that he is town and wins it for me would give him mvp and me the second most points for saving him. Im willing to risk it.

On January 18 2017 02:11 Vivax wrote:
Since when are people with 3 pages of filter considered coinflips?

On January 18 2017 02:14 Vivax wrote:




So what you said earlier as if it had any meaning suddenly is all made up cause the guy you had an opinion on became an inactive coinflip cause reasons?

On January 18 2017 02:14 Holyflare wrote:


you think a player that got caught in a lie is picking tiny things? when damdred even admitted himself it made him look bad?

On January 18 2017 02:15 Holyflare wrote:


ls:



never mentioned again

On January 18 2017 02:19 Vivax wrote:


Not unlikely.

What this game currently lacks is leverage. We don't really have a club of votes to swing at new content cause Slam and 1gu aren't here.

On January 18 2017 02:19 Rels wrote:
Hapa is a bad lynch. If he is scum he tryharded when he didn't need to. And apparently he's a bad scum

On January 18 2017 02:21 Damdred wrote:
Scrum ls detected

On January 18 2017 02:24 Onegu wrote:



This isnt English

On January 18 2017 02:26 Vivax wrote:
HF and Hapa both scum is getting more real, BM

On January 18 2017 02:28 Holyflare wrote:


king of meta
wants to lynch damdred despite damdred never calling ls town as mafia
???
flips reads to vote whoever whenever??

On January 18 2017 02:30 Hapahauli wrote:


FUCK YOU YOU CAUSED THIS YOU )#$(%*(#$*&%(*!@&$(*@&#($*&#$(*%&@#

On January 18 2017 02:45 Vivax wrote:
I don't talk to confirmed scum. The ones I will talk or answer to are Rels, Damdred, 1gu, Slam, BM when I remind them why you both have to die.

On January 18 2017 02:47 Holyflare wrote:


did you just slip

is this a slip?

On January 18 2017 02:48 Vivax wrote:


But yes I actually believed there were three mafia <_<

On January 18 2017 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
you're sticking to the fact that the top mafia player wanted to sacrifice himself to one of the better town players on this site in an effort to make him last like a million mislynches when there's a chance of no medic being in the game at all and that medic can't even heal the same person twice in a row if there is one?

On January 18 2017 03:11 Hapahauli wrote:
This is the story Vivax is telling:

1) "No lynching is a disaster for town!"
2) "Alright, let's try to swing a last minute lynch on Hapa!"
3) "No one is following the wagon on Hapa... it's 5 minutes until EoD... don't lynch lightningstrike, don't throw away everything we did today!"
4) "HF and Hapa are obviously mafia for voting LS to prevent a no lynch."

On January 18 2017 06:21 Hapahauli wrote:
BM, can you do me a favor? Quote some of my posts and ask Vivax to answer them.

On January 18 2017 04:01 Holyflare wrote:
I don't know if vivax is mafia either but it seems the most likely

the thing is in this exact same hosted game (championship qualifier 1) someone made the same mistake and dumb telled himself town but he was a COMPLETE noob, I don't know if vivax took a dose of stupid fucking moron pills to think 1/3 of the game was mafia or not but yeah it's unlikely

I'm hovering around vivax/you/damdred with an outside possibility of someone random and yes you and vivax seems kind of dumb but is it?

I kind of like the cut of bm's jib at the moment and he seemed super up for hashing things out at deadline which I really liked.
I feel that if onegu was mafia he just joins the wagon on me and gets me out of the way because that's the easiest thing in the world to do but need to talk to him
slam is pretty much the same as above

I NEED to know why damdred said he'd be afk but then was totally around for deadline and then left again after doing absolutely nothing

On January 18 2017 06:25 Hapahauli wrote:
I knew I could count on Bill Murray.

On January 18 2017 07:28 Hapahauli wrote:
A follow up:

Why not just sit tight on HF? HF would have died had you not moved to try to lynch me with 15 minutes to go.

On January 18 2017 08:34 Alakaslam wrote:
Gossamer i lost connection when trying to get to the vote thread

But it would not have mattered it seems.

What I wanted happened and it is little better. But yeah, never lynch greats day one.

Did we get any info from LS though? Like why did who lynch him?

I still have an incredibly slow conn, so please catch me up don't make me try to load all that shit until Wednesday night when I am in Denver

On January 18 2017 09:32 Holyflare wrote:


How do you go thinking this while simultaneously calling me mafia even though I've been talking about hapa's damdred read being bs for 24 hours?

On January 19 2017 01:11 Holyflare wrote:


what.....................................................?
like what
your english has really let you down here

On January 19 2017 02:10 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm much more sold on Slam than I am on Onegu. It is a mafia play to tell people what to do ("I'm not voting HF/Hapa, I'm going to try to find who I think is actually mafia.") and just not do it. Also, Slam's play EoD reads a lot like he doesn't care enough about who gets lynched.

Onegu... I think I hate his play more than I think he's mafia.

On January 19 2017 02:12 Holyflare wrote:


this is to do with the first half of day 1 though

On January 19 2017 02:14 Hapahauli wrote:


HF could definitely still be mafia in that list. Slam at least tries to resist lynching him a bit.

Regardless, I don't do associations until there's a flip to associate with.

On January 18 2017 00:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Just woke up and caught up. Decent case on HF by both Hapa and Vivax about the Damdred/Me stuff regarding HF which is kind of odd tbh. I honestly can't read him to well I will admit that but I will vote him since other people are voting him.
##Vote: Holyflare

On January 18 2017 02:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Well I willing to get lynched if you guys need more time hapa vs hf.

On January 19 2017 02:22 Holyflare wrote:
This is how I see it:

Vivax switches to hapa and hapa becomes leading wagon.

Myself and damdred exclaim how ls is a good lynch because of his contradictions and stances on me/hapa and how ls was voting me.

I don't think it's opportune to vote LS at this point UNLESS hapa is mafia with damdred, which I'm not currently in the world of. I think it was just a good (obviously bad with hindsight) call out of inconsistent points. Thing I haven't checked is whether damdred jumped onto the ls wagon sheeping my points or whether he called them out at the same time.

On January 19 2017 02:28 Holyflare wrote:


Ah okay it was wayyyyyyyyyy after I already pointed out LS so yeah in retrospect not as great as I thought. Damdred returns, votes hapa when vivax switches. I call out some points on ls and damdred switches before I've got enough consensus to switch. At no point were myself or hapa a majority wagon though and there were 8 minutes to go. A hapa lynch seemed likely with consensus so it's plausible he switches to save but I'm not so sure when the LS points were pretty good.

On January 19 2017 02:39 Hapahauli wrote:
Can you draw any conclusions from that?

On January 19 2017 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
Also I think the nk is highly suboptimal but I have a theory and I'll see where it goes.

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 19 2017 04:42 Hapahauli wrote:
So what in particular made you switch your read on Vivax?

On January 22 2017 14:19 Bill Murray wrote:
i want to actually win once in lylo so can someone tell me who's town?

On January 17 2017 03:59 Alakaslam wrote:

Lol

It was really really painful though

On January 17 2017 02:18 Alakaslam wrote:
I am very much looking forward to Bill Murray

On January 22 2017 02:59 Onegu wrote:
Then why arent you dead? Like your cc was more believable than my fake claim... Was BM just afk saw that vivax said he was scum put the shot on him and didnt see our claim war>?

On January 22 2017 23:27 Onegu wrote:



It's what happens with this game type, the possibility of getting mvp or points becomes more important than winning.

@BM any questions let me know.

On January 23 2017 07:47 Onegu wrote:



This is 100% wrong. I would never keep HF alive if I was scum

On January 23 2017 08:00 Onegu wrote:



yes I am saying even if I was 90% sure you were scum I would still vote HF and try to get you to vote with me on the 10% chance that he was scum.

On January 23 2017 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
Bm is sitting here asking for reasons to vote one or the other. Your reason is you want points regardless as if to psyche him out that you'd only make this play as town because your content just simply doesn't exist.

You reference multiple times that you have a reason to scum read me. Link them and I'll demolish them. If they're purely about the cc it's a totally good play to stop you fake claiming your way to victory as mafia too.

On January 23 2017 08:04 Onegu wrote:



Read my filter they are there. You are just ignoring them. You dont fake CC as town. You just dont.

On January 23 2017 08:08 Holyflare wrote:
My post is quite literally damning. Your only reason to scum read me is something you know I'd never do as mafia because we had this conversation 1 mafia game ago!!!

On January 23 2017 08:08 Onegu wrote:



If you are town and do it and I am the medic what then? You get shot and I get lynched right after? And its a throw. If you made that play as town I will say it is the worst play you have ever made.

On January 23 2017 08:10 Onegu wrote:



There is a difference between me and you doing it and HF doing it. HF knows he is the best player in the game. Me and you are lynchbait. Us making that play to get shot makes sense as it takes a question mark and not great player out of lylo. HF taking himself out of lylo doesnt make sense.

On January 23 2017 08:11 Onegu wrote:



But he isnt. He said he isnt....

On January 23 2017 08:11 Holyflare wrote:


What does that mean?

On January 23 2017 08:14 Onegu wrote:



Ok, My point still stands why does the best player in the game try to take himself out of lylo? He doesnt.

On January 23 2017 08:44 Onegu wrote:



Ok you dont make list posts I just went and looked but you do make reads during the night which you didnt do last night.

On January 23 2017 11:32 Holyflare wrote:
Fuck writing that on my phone. Bunch of effort.

On January 23 2017 11:42 Holyflare wrote:
Even vivax knew that and then he died

On January 17 2017 00:55 Holyflare wrote:


So what does this post say? Hapa is like me but not as aggressive but the you contradict yourself mid post and say he is actually aggressive?

On January 17 2017 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
Have no fear I have a day 3+ mafia catching strategy that has worked 100% of the two times I've used it.

On January 22 2017 10:46 Holyflare wrote:
here's where I'm currently at, I've liked what bm has been saying all game and we've been kind of buddy buddy and he's been a voice of reason, the things I don't like is his refusal to talk to me/go through hapa yesterday and his lack of consolidation and his calling out people for not voting slam while voting off slam and even calling out onegu for voting for bm's scum read...?

please explain above bm it's important

thing with onegu is he's been voting with me which is good and always admirable but he's also hard defended me a lot day 1/2 while not actually town reading me which is insanely questionable... then there's the medic claim a couple of hours before deadline which he expected to get shot for???? like wtf who would do that? and now he's suddenly snap voting me instead of actually looking into what i've been doing, I feel like it's a bit of a low tier play especially when his whole stuff is he'd play harder as mafia with hapa in the game i've definitely heard that somewhere but I can't remember where

On January 22 2017 18:59 Holyflare wrote:


You realise he said he was fake claiming and claimed vt at the start of the game right lol? Are you trying to dumb tell yourself as confirmed? :D

On January 22 2017 19:10 Holyflare wrote:
Ok here's why I'm town:

1. I did actual scum hunting the entire game looking for inconsistencies and evaluated them at each point.

2. I was super into lynching damdred for his mistake but was extremely quick to back off it when I saw that it could have been just a mistake.

3. I went after hapa, one of the best town players on this site, day 1 and when it came to lynch time I commandeered my own lynch to lynch something that made perfect sense to me (ls being mafia) instead of just lynching the good player who was mafia reading me.

4. I spent the entirety of the night trying to figure out the game and have a conversation with vivax and hapa while pointing out things I didn't like from everyone.

5. The thread was dead and I've spent all game trying to resurrect it and get you guys active and talk insted of making it stale.

6. I went after hapa again day 2 instead of easy lynches like damdred, onegu and slam (well yeh he was mafia but whatever).

7. I put in more activity at n1 than the last 3 of my scum games combined.

On December 13 2016 03:35 Holyflare wrote:
Things that make me town:

my not caring attitude
the fact I've called myself town 10000000 times
the fact I tried to get absolutely 0 credit from a definite NU lynch while pushing it and voting off the wagon
the fact I said we should be lynching SL since day one if SL isn't mafia and then myself and LS/you called out SL and he claiemd JK
the fact that I was the ONLY one to try and figure out SL/Rels at the start of the day while the majority of the game wanted to leave the claims alone
the fact that I re-calculated SL's alignment from the night to the day after he didn't die and posted damning posts on him
the fact that SL has repeatedly called me confirmed town based on the NK wifom
the fact that mafia kp still went through while I was jkd 2 nights in a row
the fact that I've been wrong a lot
the fact I'm emotional and hypocritical and paranoid and tinfoily and unwilling to commit in lylo
the fact that I haven't pushed someone as definitely mafia and yelled until that person gets lynched repeatedly
the fact that at lylo I haven't even bothered to really save myself and instead told you to lynch me when my most priced possession is my mafia win record

On January 22 2017 19:12 Holyflare wrote:
Things that don't make sense for me as mafia:

1. Shooting rels over hapa/vivax both of who were sfum reading me.

2. Switching off the better town player in the game because I wanted to lynch ls on inconsistencies.

3. Being this active even though my partner would have to have been slam and inactive?

4. Backing down on things and thinking it through and pushing logical things instead of hounding on crap points.

On January 23 2017 18:01 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu appears honest because he is being honest. He'd vote me no matter his alignment for points and mvp. It's just that this time it works in his favour because he doesn't have to produce content for it to work.

On January 24 2017 05:27 Calix wrote:


I never got the hate for BM in the obs QT. Did I miss something?

On January 24 2017 05:23 Holyflare wrote:


of course I do 100x over, why the fuck would I ever want to play a lylo against you and bm? I hate ever surviving past day 2

On January 24 2017 05:34 Holyflare wrote:
yeh next time i'll just post one liners and do not much, easy meta breaking

On January 24 2017 05:37 Calix wrote:


Bunch of people scum-read BM > HF in the late stages of the game was my point.

On January 24 2017 21:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Onegu being MVP is correct in my opinion. Ha! Didn't expect that, did you?

Yes, his reasoning in LYLO was absolutely disgusting but nevertheless he was the only townie in this game who lead a scumlynch. Normally I would agree that this LYLO performance alone is far from MVP worthy but there is simply noone else in this game who deserves it. Hapa played a really good early game but you are seriously crazy if you want to award MVP to someone who actively lynched himself as town.

Basically the only player who deserves MVP in this game is HF and sadly he wasn't on the winning team due to really unfortunate circumstances.

On January 25 2017 00:32 Hapahauli wrote:
Fact 1: A victory or loss does not determine how good your play was. Holyflare was the best player in this game, and a loss should change the equation here.
Fact 2: It's kinda insane that my name is being floated out there for best player. I suppose I can pat myself on the back for being accurate, but knowing is not even half the battle. I self-voted. Period.
Fact 3: It takes two townies to lynch at LYLO. If you have to give out an MVP to town, give it to Bill Murray. He clearly established himself as town, was correct about most of his reads, and was also a part of lynching HF.

I'll post more when I finish working. However, you should all know that this argument is inane. Since when do we care about e-penis points more than having a good game of mafia? That game was disgraceful by any standard, and I probably wouldn't give out any points for it.