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Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit.
So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute.
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Also, TimeTraveler STILL hasn't voted, again, just like D1 and D2. He's not doing anything in this game and people need to realize that. I can see TimeTraveler and LightningStrike be scum together given that they did not interact in any way even.
At this point, I think we're down to TT, TT2, LS, Grack, Chez, Slam, with darth, disformation and myself being the town circle. Then again, there's GlowingBear in not-low-but-no-activity-mode who's miraculously always around at deadline but never seems to give a fuck over the day phase.
If there are any town KP located between people, I strongly recommend to shoot whatever you have into Slam/Chez/GB.
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On January 08 2017 03:50 beentheredonethat wrote: Also, TimeTraveler STILL hasn't voted, again, just like D1 and D2. He's not doing anything in this game and people need to realize that. I can see TimeTraveler and LightningStrike be scum together given that they did not interact in any way even.
At this point, I think we're down to TT, TT2, LS, Grack, Chez, Slam, with darth, disformation and myself being the town circle. Then again, there's GlowingBear in not-low-but-no-activity-mode who's miraculously always around at deadline but never seems to give a fuck over the day phase.
If there are any town KP located between people, I strongly recommend to shoot whatever you have into Slam/Chez/GB. Whoops, I mistook this tab for the other game's tab. Ignore this please.
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On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point.
Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"?
Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum.
##vote Calix
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On January 08 2017 03:55 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point. Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"? Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum. ##vote Calix This is a massive overreaction. I'm not going to respond to the part about hosting since that's referring to an ongoing game and is clearly attacking my character. It absolutely is a massive overreaction but so is your one-line response to my original entry. So if we could both settle down to a slower pace and be polite to each other then we could actually try to play this game. Of course we can also throw shit onto each other until something sticks to one of us. But I would prefer to actually have fun in this game.
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So. After having a glimpse on Calix' filter, I think it's very easy to give a town pass here. Calix is cleary giving insights on read development, feels pissed about people not really playing the game and is actively chasing scum.
To make things easier for me, I will townread her right now without going too deep into filter diving. Seeing the current votecount, we're not consolidated. That's a fine thing but we should end up with two main wagons.
Soooo being the lazy town here, are there any cases on anyone?
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On January 08 2017 03:59 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:57 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:55 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point. Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"? Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum. ##vote Calix This is a massive overreaction. I'm not going to respond to the part about hosting since that's referring to an ongoing game and is clearly attacking my character. It absolutely is a massive overreaction but so is your one-line response to my original entry. So if we could both settle down to a slower pace and be polite to each other then we could actually try to play this game. Of course we can also throw shit onto each other until something sticks to one of us. But I would prefer to actually have fun in this game. I wasn't rude? All I said was that your post was bad because you were making an excuse for sub-par play. Literally nowhere did I personally attack you. "Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play."
There are four derogative worlds in one sentence. That's rude.
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On January 08 2017 03:59 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:57 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:55 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point. Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"? Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum. ##vote Calix This is a massive overreaction. I'm not going to respond to the part about hosting since that's referring to an ongoing game and is clearly attacking my character. It absolutely is a massive overreaction but so is your one-line response to my original entry. So if we could both settle down to a slower pace and be polite to each other then we could actually try to play this game. Of course we can also throw shit onto each other until something sticks to one of us. But I would prefer to actually have fun in this game. I wasn't rude? All I said was that your post was bad because you were making an excuse for sub-par play. Literally nowhere did I personally attack you. Basically, this is also a problem of recipient/sender of the message. I received your sentence as very rude and even disruptive.
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On January 08 2017 04:00 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:59 beentheredonethat wrote: So. After having a glimpse on Calix' filter, I think it's very easy to give a town pass here. Calix is cleary giving insights on read development, feels pissed about people not really playing the game and is actively chasing scum.
To make things easier for me, I will townread her right now without going too deep into filter diving. Seeing the current votecount, we're not consolidated. That's a fine thing but we should end up with two main wagons.
Soooo being the lazy town here, are there any cases on anyone? Read Vivax/ Grack/ Boston/ KSC/ ME's filters as those are the main scum-reads that people have. That's like half of the plaayers involved. Will start with Kelsier. If he's grumpy and pissed and not really doing stuff, he's very likely scum.
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On January 08 2017 04:04 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:02 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:59 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:57 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:55 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point. Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"? Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum. ##vote Calix This is a massive overreaction. I'm not going to respond to the part about hosting since that's referring to an ongoing game and is clearly attacking my character. It absolutely is a massive overreaction but so is your one-line response to my original entry. So if we could both settle down to a slower pace and be polite to each other then we could actually try to play this game. Of course we can also throw shit onto each other until something sticks to one of us. But I would prefer to actually have fun in this game. I wasn't rude? All I said was that your post was bad because you were making an excuse for sub-par play. Literally nowhere did I personally attack you. Basically, this is also a problem of recipient/sender of the message. I received your sentence as very rude and even disruptive. I've actually been very nice this game. I don't think I've even called someone a retard yet. Well before continueing in talking about stuff I haven't read, I shall now leave and return once I've fully read the game.
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On January 08 2017 04:05 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:57 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:55 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:52 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. Eww gross opening post with the preemptive excuse for shit play. You're hosting the other game Calix and you should know why I'm pissed as fuck. So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point. Tell me, what kind of entry post is a "good entry post"? "Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum"? Okay. Hello people, I am here and Calix is scum. ##vote Calix This is a massive overreaction. I'm not going to respond to the part about hosting since that's referring to an ongoing game and is clearly attacking my character. It absolutely is a massive overreaction but so is your one-line response to my original entry. So if we could both settle down to a slower pace and be polite to each other then we could actually try to play this game. Of course we can also throw shit onto each other until something sticks to one of us. But I would prefer to actually have fun in this game. regarding your suppose host issue and the "who started it": + Show Spoiler +but the thing is that you have now brought in a host issue about another game on this site. I much would of rather prefered that you said "well somethings botyhering me but i cant dicuss it right now" or even say something about RL pissing you off. You kinda brought it on yourself to allow calix to attack you there when you jabed her about the host thing. While i don't know what it is nor do I care, nobody but you has fault. Thats all im saying on this. if theres a problem going on with hosting theres a sig i use all the time: There is a code us hosts have to live by and that is: we can't fix stupid or random decisions. Plz do not respond to this at all if you want to talk about his matter save it for post game. this is just my 2 cents on hosting matters that being said if you would like to actualy explain why calix is scum and talk about your reads here thats something im willing to do + Show Spoiler [rather offtopic] + So either you're putting shit on me because you're scum or you haven't read up Host Mafia and are failing on your host duties which I don't think you are capable of at this point.
This is what I said. What I meant: a) Calix is scum for calling me out on my bad entry although it's no bad entry b) Calix genuinely doesn't know I wasn't around because she hasn't read up on Host Mafia which I don't want to blame her for as I don't think it is
however if it's for me, we can drop this topic now
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disfo would you mind to point out that poll post that you talk about?
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aww fuck it, wrong thread again
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On January 08 2017 04:13 Calix wrote: Activity isn't AI for me, it's just a thing.
I'm not a fan of the reads I've gotten. BTDT unnecessarily bringing up another game, then backing down when I refused to talk about it doesn't sit well with me.
However your read (that you're not explaining) is also off because of the timing of BTDT's. He posted a town-read of me and then you said after that "Calix might be mafia" with no backing so yeah, I want the read pls. I was pissed at the hosts of the other game. You are one of the hosts of the other game. This is why I didn't play this game. I also came back because I had confirmed this very game here.
As you called me out on saying exactly the above, I wanted to remind you that you are one of the hosts of the very game I was pissed about, meaning that you should know that I am speaking the truth and not making up some lame bullshit about why I wasn't there for the majority of D1.
I'm afraid that wasn't clear. If you have any questions, ask.
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On January 08 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 04:13 Calix wrote: Activity isn't AI for me, it's just a thing.
I'm not a fan of the reads I've gotten. BTDT unnecessarily bringing up another game, then backing down when I refused to talk about it doesn't sit well with me.
However your read (that you're not explaining) is also off because of the timing of BTDT's. He posted a town-read of me and then you said after that "Calix might be mafia" with no backing so yeah, I want the read pls. I was pissed at the hosts of the other game. You are one of the hosts of the other game. This is why I didn't play this game. I also came back because I had confirmed this very game here. As you called me out on saying exactly the above, I wanted to remind you that you are one of the hosts of the very game I was pissed about, meaning that you should know that I am speaking the truth and not making up some lame bullshit about why I wasn't there for the majority of D1. I'm afraid that wasn't clear. If you have any questions, ask. If you have a legit problem then take it to PMs instead of talking about it in the game thread of a different game. I realize now what your problem is.
I think that this topic is borderline close to violating the rules and what I tried (get Host!Calix to indirectly confirm Player!btdt being genuine) is not cool in a newbie game.
Of course you can scumread me for that attempt but I'd suggest we're not going deeper into the topic itself now?
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On January 08 2017 04:18 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:Hello everyone. I'm here. I have not read the game as I even didn't /confirm, however hosts weren't eager to wait for me. As I was pissed over things going on over in Host Mafia, I pretty much didn't visit TL over the course of the last 24 hours or so, only went online from mobile for a bit. So. This is my very first time in playing two games at once so I want to apologize in advance if I suck. I will catch up on the game in the next few hours, I'm at home in front of my desktop and I'm going to do my best to contribute. How does this happen two games in a row lol First game I simply forgot about. Remember, it was around Christmas. Second game I did not forget about (this one). I simply decided to start playing late as I didn't feel very motivated to TL Mafia at all.
Me coming late into the game is not scum indicative. I am not even a wagon or anything, I could've just chilled and voted at a point.
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On January 08 2017 04:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:23 Calix wrote: You're starting to get on my tits here. You keep bringing it back to this topic instead of just...talking about something game-relevant... Instead of responding to this, just give a read or something. You're town.
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On January 08 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote: ty. post came afetr
BTDT could you give a overall read list once you catch up? Ya sure
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On January 06 2017 09:02 KelsierSC wrote: yeeeehhhhhhh booooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ksc most likely town for this.
he hates playing scum afaik.
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On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it?... Why would you advocate bad play?
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On January 06 2017 09:36 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
now onto something i want everyone to answer
are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well? -yes -off and on about 2 years -I have played a couple at Mafia Universe and a few at SC2 -It depends on the gamestate, my role, etc. -I like to look for motivation in posts and I also check for a few other things I'd like to keep to myself for now, I do both townhunt and scumhunt in most games -I know Calix from SC2, she's a good player but I've only played in like 2-3 games so I can't say I can read her well, I know ika very well and am usually accurate in reading him when he's town, if he's scum it might take me a little longer to figure him out What's townhunt
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On January 06 2017 09:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'll answer the questions.
1) I'm always town. 2) 5 years 3) no 4) spammy 5) We'll have to find out. 6) Probably Calix. Answer to 5) is really interesting here. If you choose to answer those questions, I think you could as well be honest about year meta. Because if you play to your alignment meta, it's really easy to identify if you are the opposite alignment (wow my wording is poor) so I'm wondering why Grack is not revealing what his meta is?
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Yeah I feel like Kelsier is town.
also I think Grackaroni is scum.
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On January 08 2017 04:37 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:31 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it?... Why would you advocate bad play? I dont, I just find it that using that reason alone is the most obvious on why not to do it. I wanted more then just the generic one But if there is a reason to not do something as town, then why do you do it?
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On January 08 2017 04:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:02 KelsierSC wrote: yeeeehhhhhhh booooiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ksc most likely town for this. he hates playing scum afaik. That's a bad read and you should know that Explain it to me then? Maybe I should not apply meta reads with people I haven't played with
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On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote: I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. This is really weird. Why do you ask the first question?
Then you say "bla looks forced" with a complicated reasoning which feels rather constructed? Also I think basically the same that darthfoley said about ikea so I don't think it's forced.
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Vivax who are your scumreads even because from your filter, I can't clearly deduce any.
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On January 07 2017 09:07 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
Wow really. That makes me suspicious because I made 2 posts with no content then afk for 24 hours. Why is that scummy? If you say onegu needs pressure to do something then yeah I agree with you. But no you say I am suspicious... There is a difference. Onegu is actually playing? I think that's a town tell and I'm inclined to believe his VT claim. Also I kinda like that he dislikes Vivax.
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On January 08 2017 04:42 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:38 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 04:37 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 04:31 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it?... Why would you advocate bad play? I dont, I just find it that using that reason alone is the most obvious on why not to do it. I wanted more then just the generic one But if there is a reason to not do something as town, then why do you do it? I don't? The thing i was talking about is the claim right off the bat. When i first started out (about 4-5 years ago) it was what i would do cus i didn't give a damn. Now i would complain about someone doing it out of the gate. But not becasue "it narrows PR" Its more on the fact that it breeds out bad play in geenral and turns a site meta to shit and will almost always end up having day 1 be a debate about what is good and what is bad Oh I'm dumb
I'm so dumb
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On January 08 2017 04:47 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:42 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 04:38 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 04:37 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 04:31 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it?... Why would you advocate bad play? I dont, I just find it that using that reason alone is the most obvious on why not to do it. I wanted more then just the generic one But if there is a reason to not do something as town, then why do you do it? I don't? The thing i was talking about is the claim right off the bat. When i first started out (about 4-5 years ago) it was what i would do cus i didn't give a damn. Now i would complain about someone doing it out of the gate. But not becasue "it narrows PR" Its more on the fact that it breeds out bad play in geenral and turns a site meta to shit and will almost always end up having day 1 be a debate about what is good and what is bad Oh I'm dumb I'm so dumb I thought the "narrows down PR" stuff would have been about your weird questionnaire, so I was like "how is that bad" and "what the fuck" and didn't understand a thing.
I only get right now that it related to the claim stuff, yeah I get that.
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On January 08 2017 04:51 Calix wrote:Care to explain it in your own words? Sure, sec
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The huge case on - B0stonSC
+ Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +
So, first:
On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire.
That's it. Off to a re-read it is:
On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on)
Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say.
Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote:
On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote.
And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves:
On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj?
Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up:
On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he.
He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that.
His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that.
Promises another reread....
On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you
On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM
this guy is scum
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On January 08 2017 04:44 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 04:35 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'll answer the questions.
1) I'm always town. 2) 5 years 3) no 4) spammy 5) We'll have to find out. 6) Probably Calix. Answer to 5) is really interesting here. If you choose to answer those questions, I think you could as well be honest about year meta. Because if you play to your alignment meta, it's really easy to identify if you are the opposite alignment (wow my wording is poor) so I'm wondering why Grack is not revealing what his meta is? This is opportunistic reasoning. He's only saying this because my lynch is currently on the table and he wants to find something to use against me. It's not opportunistic. It's just a thing that bothers me. When I wrote that, I didn't even realize you are the lynch currently. Also note how I just cased someone else so no, it's absolutely not opportunistic but I can see where you come from.
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Calix as you're easily the most active person here would you mind to drop a clear list of your top scum reads? Just names, no reasons. I want to know where you're at.
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On January 08 2017 05:06 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:03 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 04:44 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 04:35 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 06 2017 09:39 Grackaroni wrote: I'll answer the questions.
1) I'm always town. 2) 5 years 3) no 4) spammy 5) We'll have to find out. 6) Probably Calix. Answer to 5) is really interesting here. If you choose to answer those questions, I think you could as well be honest about year meta. Because if you play to your alignment meta, it's really easy to identify if you are the opposite alignment (wow my wording is poor) so I'm wondering why Grack is not revealing what his meta is? This is opportunistic reasoning. He's only saying this because my lynch is currently on the table and he wants to find something to use against me. It's not opportunistic. It's just a thing that bothers me. When I wrote that, I didn't even realize you are the lynch currently. Also note how I just cased someone else so no, it's absolutely not opportunistic but I can see where you come from. Yeah fair enough. To me it seemed inconsequential enough that I found it scummy you would try to make a big deal of it right now considering the circumstances. Tbh I was just catching up and commenting while doing so, but I realized I spammed the thread by a lot which was kinda worthless so I stopped and got into filters. Which made me find the guy I cased
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On January 08 2017 05:08 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:04 beentheredonethat wrote: Calix as you're easily the most active person here would you mind to drop a clear list of your top scum reads? Just names, no reasons. I want to know where you're at. You claimed to have read my filter but you somehow missed the part where I stated that Boston, ME and Vivax/ Grack are my scum-reads??? Or the posts I made about them? I have not read your full filter. I have barely read the game. I have skimmed stuff and I am currently trying to read through discussions in context, not filter dive.
So I take Boston, ME, Vivax, Grack as your top scum reads?
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On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it.
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On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. The vote is scummy because there was absolutely no reasoning behind it. I think it's very easy to scumread Onegu for what he did (claim, post, post, get off) if you don't know how Onegu plays in general, so I think it's very appealing for a scum player that's new to put blame on Onegu. Like, a retard magnet if you want to call it like that.
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On January 08 2017 05:11 Calix wrote: Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part. To be fair, I don't know the exact reasons why you scumread him. But to be even more fair, I'm not too confident in my first points myself. However, reading this filter overall gives me a feeling of dodgy, lurky scum that is overexplaining things and overjustifying reads. Also, when called out (Onegu vote), he backs off.
That's basically a TL;DR of what I really think but as I simply quoted his filter, I felt like I had to quote posts and explain why they are scummy.
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On January 08 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I do not think activity is AI. When it comes to low activity such as my self I try to be as substantive as possible to make up for it. B0stonSC on the other hand makes a big deal out of his activity, and his posts hold very little objective value. Thank you for presenting your views. I still hold the belief that Grack's intent to blow conversations up and to prevent people from making any progress on leads makes me feel like he is scum. I would say bad town play if he was a newbie, but he is on the veterans list. That's a major pain point. Yes, activity isn't always AI (although I think rule of thumb the more active a guy is the higher the chance of him flipping town is) but the way he's playing around his activity ("I'M HERE, I'M PLAYING, I'M JUST NOT ACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WEEKEND") is really weird.
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On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two.
KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh.
Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool.
However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit.
hmm
there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere.
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On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But okay. That's like one weakness in my case. Okay, point taken. What about the rest:
On January 08 2017 05:17 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I do not think activity is AI. When it comes to low activity such as my self I try to be as substantive as possible to make up for it. B0stonSC on the other hand makes a big deal out of his activity, and his posts hold very little objective value. Thank you for presenting your views. I still hold the belief that Grack's intent to blow conversations up and to prevent people from making any progress on leads makes me feel like he is scum. I would say bad town play if he was a newbie, but he is on the veterans list. That's a major pain point. Yes, activity isn't always AI (although I think rule of thumb the more active a guy is the higher the chance of him flipping town is) but the way he's playing around his activity ("I'M HERE, I'M PLAYING, I'M JUST NOT ACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WEEKEND") is really weird.
On January 08 2017 05:15 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:11 Calix wrote: Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part. To be fair, I don't know the exact reasons why you scumread him. But to be even more fair, I'm not too confident in my first points myself. However, reading this filter overall gives me a feeling of dodgy, lurky scum that is overexplaining things and overjustifying reads. Also, when called out (Onegu vote), he backs off. That's basically a TL;DR of what I really think but as I simply quoted his filter, I felt like I had to quote posts and explain why they are scummy.
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On January 08 2017 05:22 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two. KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh. Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool. However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit. hmm there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere. Boston legit said that he wouldn't be around until 2hrs before EOD iirc. Again, you are not reading the thread closely and this is on the guy you made a literal ISO on. Not denying that. Catching up is a lot of work, and limiting myself to reading is boring, so I try to pick away at things. That has the advantage that it also gets other people to think (such as you) which again provides content to the game and makes people more readable.
What's an ISO?
Also you're too focused on activity. See the post I did to darthfoley and think about what I said there, I still think there are valid points.
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Is there a case on Grack somewhere?
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On January 08 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote: I'd lynch Kelsier, Boston or ME today.
I dislike that BTDT tried to give Kelsier such an easy townread and then made a case on Boston though. Could be scum who's trying to take the lynch off Kelsier cause I really don't see what makes him so townie. But it's just an unfounded theory for now. Makes it even more tempting to lynch Kelsier though. You shouldn't put too much weight on a townread that I made based on the very first post that Kelsier did in the game.
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On January 08 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote: I'd lynch Kelsier, Boston or ME today.
I dislike that BTDT tried to give Kelsier such an easy townread and then made a case on Boston though. Could be scum who's trying to take the lynch off Kelsier cause I really don't see what makes him so townie. But it's just an unfounded theory for now. Makes it even more tempting to lynch Kelsier though. That post is really bad. Like, not only is it putting shade on me for shit reasons (I even said that I doubt that townread before, "I should maybe stop meta people I didn't play with"), but there's also this:
But it's just an unfounded theory for now. Makes it even more tempting to lynch Kelsier though. Like, it's an "unfounded theory" but it's enough for you to put your vote on Kelsier, making the wagons 3-3-3. Hm. I can't really grab it right here but something feels really off about this. So constructed and made up.
Vivax, what are your reasons to lynch Kelsier, Boston and ME?
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On January 08 2017 05:29 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:25 beentheredonethat wrote: Is there a case on Grack somewhere? I was going to make one, but I did not feel it could compete with your case against B0. My case against B0 is shit, only the explanations I made afterwards add value to it IMHO. Are you pocketing me here or what
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On January 08 2017 05:29 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote: I'd lynch Kelsier, Boston or ME today.
I dislike that BTDT tried to give Kelsier such an easy townread and then made a case on Boston though. Could be scum who's trying to take the lynch off Kelsier cause I really don't see what makes him so townie. But it's just an unfounded theory for now. Makes it even more tempting to lynch Kelsier though. That post is really bad. Like, not only is it putting shade on me for shit reasons (I even said that I doubt that townread before, "I should maybe stop meta people I didn't play with"), but there's also this: Show nested quote +But it's just an unfounded theory for now. Makes it even more tempting to lynch Kelsier though. Like, it's an "unfounded theory" but it's enough for you to put your vote on Kelsier, making the wagons 3-3-3. Hm. I can't really grab it right here but something feels really off about this. So constructed and made up. Vivax, what are your reasons to lynch Kelsier, Boston and ME? Bullet points will suffice
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On January 08 2017 05:27 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:22 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two. KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh. Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool. However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit. hmm there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere. Boston legit said that he wouldn't be around until 2hrs before EOD iirc. Again, you are not reading the thread closely and this is on the guy you made a literal ISO on. Not denying that. Catching up is a lot of work, and limiting myself to reading is boring, so I try to pick away at things. That has the advantage that it also gets other people to think (such as you) which again provides content to the game and makes people more readable. What's an ISO? Also you're too focused on activity. See the post I did to darthfoley and think about what I said there, I still think there are valid points. ISO can either mean a filter or someone commenting on every single post that someone has made (this is bad). lol at you, the person who has spent a lot of time talking about his own activity, Boston's activity, etc calling me too focused on activity xD I don't think I have been tbh. Your wording still pings me ("pick away at things" in this incident) - it sounds opportunistic imo. Opportunistic would mean that I do what everyone does which I clearly do not do. I pretty much hit in any direction right now. Also yes, I have talked about activity but mainly because you calling my entry shit made me explain additional stuff about it. This is again borderline close to throwing shit on each other so let's stop it here.
So would you now please go and read the posts I quoted to darthfoley instead of bantering around?
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On January 08 2017 05:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But okay. That's like one weakness in my case. Okay, point taken. What about the rest: Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I do not think activity is AI. When it comes to low activity such as my self I try to be as substantive as possible to make up for it. B0stonSC on the other hand makes a big deal out of his activity, and his posts hold very little objective value. Thank you for presenting your views. I still hold the belief that Grack's intent to blow conversations up and to prevent people from making any progress on leads makes me feel like he is scum. I would say bad town play if he was a newbie, but he is on the veterans list. That's a major pain point. Yes, activity isn't always AI (although I think rule of thumb the more active a guy is the higher the chance of him flipping town is) but the way he's playing around his activity ("I'M HERE, I'M PLAYING, I'M JUST NOT ACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WEEKEND") is really weird. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:15 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:11 Calix wrote: Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part. To be fair, I don't know the exact reasons why you scumread him. But to be even more fair, I'm not too confident in my first points myself. However, reading this filter overall gives me a feeling of dodgy, lurky scum that is overexplaining things and overjustifying reads. Also, when called out (Onegu vote), he backs off. That's basically a TL;DR of what I really think but as I simply quoted his filter, I felt like I had to quote posts and explain why they are scummy. These ones, Calix. Because activity is one aspect of the things I'm saying about Boston, here are other things I say. Let's discuss the case so we can either lynch the person or dismiss the case as bad. I am still confident in that read (also because it's a very easy read tbh which makes it dangerous)
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On January 08 2017 05:32 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:25 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote: I'd lynch Kelsier, Boston or ME today.
I dislike that BTDT tried to give Kelsier such an easy townread and then made a case on Boston though. Could be scum who's trying to take the lynch off Kelsier cause I really don't see what makes him so townie. But it's just an unfounded theory for now. Makes it even more tempting to lynch Kelsier though. You shouldn't put too much weight on a townread that I made based on the very first post that Kelsier did in the game. Then I wonder why you made the read 1) based on his first post of the game 2) if we shouldn't put weight on it, why make it? Because it was simply the first thing I thought when I read that post. I thought "Oh, KSC rolled town".
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On January 08 2017 05:34 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:32 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:27 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:22 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:20 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: [quote] This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: [quote] Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: [quote] There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: [quote] Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: [quote] The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... [quote] Yeah now it's weekend where are you [quote] I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But that's not the same thing. Boston said literally that he's low activity because it's under the week. He ALSO said that he'd be playing on the weekend, ESPECIALLY since he enjoys playing the game so much. But he's not doing so. I'm calling him out on that mainly to summon him to the thread if he's lurking but apparently that's not working. Maybe he's just out because it's saturday evening with some friends and having a beer or two. KSC on the other hand is definitely the guy to simply not give a fuck about what's going on as either alignment tbh. Like, if you say "i should be there" but aren't, I think that's fair and square and NAI, but if you say "I LOVE the game and I WILL BE THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND PLAY" and then there's no word on you - that's not cool. However by now he should be there and as active and outspoken as he promised so I assume him not being there is actually legit. hmm there must be a whole in mny thinking somewhere. Boston legit said that he wouldn't be around until 2hrs before EOD iirc. Again, you are not reading the thread closely and this is on the guy you made a literal ISO on. Not denying that. Catching up is a lot of work, and limiting myself to reading is boring, so I try to pick away at things. That has the advantage that it also gets other people to think (such as you) which again provides content to the game and makes people more readable. What's an ISO? Also you're too focused on activity. See the post I did to darthfoley and think about what I said there, I still think there are valid points. ISO can either mean a filter or someone commenting on every single post that someone has made (this is bad). lol at you, the person who has spent a lot of time talking about his own activity, Boston's activity, etc calling me too focused on activity xD I don't think I have been tbh. Your wording still pings me ("pick away at things" in this incident) - it sounds opportunistic imo. Opportunistic would mean that I do what everyone does which I clearly do not do. I pretty much hit in any direction right now. Also yes, I have talked about activity but mainly because you calling my entry shit made me explain additional stuff about it. This is again borderline close to throwing shit on each other so let's stop it here. So would you now please go and read the posts I quoted to darthfoley instead of bantering around? Which posts are you talking about?
On January 08 2017 05:33 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:16 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:10 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite. Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players Where is KSC doing the same thing? I'm still catching up so I might've just missed it. On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town. i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow.I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. That was like a day and a half ago But okay. That's like one weakness in my case. Okay, point taken. What about the rest: On January 08 2017 05:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:The huge case on - B0stonSC + Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +So, first: On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote: Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire. That's it. Off to a re-read it is: On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote: About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read. But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say. Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote: On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote: yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are: + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Could you not I could. I did. Dont know what you want here... On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote: VT claim Why? Why not? This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote. And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves: On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote: The hell is a zj? Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass. But apparently, the guys has caught up: On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote: Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.
First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).
As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.
On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up. The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he. He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that. His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that. Promises another reread.... On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote: Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity. Yeah now it's weekend where are you On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote: Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time. I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM this guy is scum I do not think activity is AI. When it comes to low activity such as my self I try to be as substantive as possible to make up for it. B0stonSC on the other hand makes a big deal out of his activity, and his posts hold very little objective value. Thank you for presenting your views. I still hold the belief that Grack's intent to blow conversations up and to prevent people from making any progress on leads makes me feel like he is scum. I would say bad town play if he was a newbie, but he is on the veterans list. That's a major pain point. Yes, activity isn't always AI (although I think rule of thumb the more active a guy is the higher the chance of him flipping town is) but the way he's playing around his activity ("I'M HERE, I'M PLAYING, I'M JUST NOT ACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WEEKEND") is really weird. On January 08 2017 05:15 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:11 Calix wrote: Is it bad that reading BTDT's giant case makes me less sure that Boston is scum? BTDT doesn't point out the same things that I did, I think some of the things he said aren't scum-indicative and the only new (valid) point that BTDT brings to the table is with the last part. To be fair, I don't know the exact reasons why you scumread him. But to be even more fair, I'm not too confident in my first points myself. However, reading this filter overall gives me a feeling of dodgy, lurky scum that is overexplaining things and overjustifying reads. Also, when called out (Onegu vote), he backs off. That's basically a TL;DR of what I really think but as I simply quoted his filter, I felt like I had to quote posts and explain why they are scummy. These ones, Calix. Because activity is one aspect of the things I'm saying about Boston, here are other things I say. Let's discuss the case so we can either lynch the person or dismiss the case as bad. I am still confident in that read (also because it's a very easy read tbh which makes it dangerous)
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Grackaroni, is Silverwolf scum?
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On January 08 2017 05:36 Grackaroni wrote: Wait Btdt what is the order you are reading the posts?
You said earlier that you hadn't gone to my filter just because I was the vote leader but it seems like you've been looking at the filters that way between kelsier/me/boston. Right now, there isn't any order. I'm reading a bit every now and then, checking filters, then I find a post, read it in context...then I discuss a bit here - there's not really an ordered way of reading that I follow.
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On January 08 2017 05:36 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:36 beentheredonethat wrote: Grackaroni, is Silverwolf scum? No
On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town.
okay
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tbh I think if we're just all honest to each other and answer questions open minded we're all good to establish ourselves us townie. then, we lynch anyone who's not answering questions directly and deliberately.
soooo
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On January 08 2017 05:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:39 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 beentheredonethat wrote: Grackaroni, is Silverwolf scum? No On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town. okay You missed the point of the whole exercise.
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On January 08 2017 05:40 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:40 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 05:39 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 beentheredonethat wrote: Grackaroni, is Silverwolf scum? No On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town. okay You missed the point of the whole exercise. I thought the point was that you wanted to point out how dumb the thing that ika is doing is. But the way you do it implies hat you think Silverwolf is scum. Or do I read too much into that? (please only answer that if you're not grackaroni)
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On January 08 2017 05:29 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:25 Vivax wrote: I'd lynch Kelsier, Boston or ME today.
I dislike that BTDT tried to give Kelsier such an easy townread and then made a case on Boston though. Could be scum who's trying to take the lynch off Kelsier cause I really don't see what makes him so townie. But it's just an unfounded theory for now. Makes it even more tempting to lynch Kelsier though. That post is really bad. Like, not only is it putting shade on me for shit reasons (I even said that I doubt that townread before, "I should maybe stop meta people I didn't play with"), but there's also this: Show nested quote +But it's just an unfounded theory for now. Makes it even more tempting to lynch Kelsier though. Like, it's an "unfounded theory" but it's enough for you to put your vote on Kelsier, making the wagons 3-3-3. Hm. I can't really grab it right here but something feels really off about this. So constructed and made up. Vivax, what are your reasons to lynch Kelsier, Boston and ME? Vivaxy, don't hide, answer this
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Ah let's just lynch Vivax. He's not really responding to stuff, only very specifically, although he's around, and there's not really a sharp meaning in his words but I feel like he's speaking a lot but not saying very much.
##unvote ##vote Vivax
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B0Ston, Vivax are solid scum reads at this point I think.
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I really love that we have three wagons that is a very interesting and fruitful EoD even if the final lynch is town
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On January 08 2017 05:44 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:41 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:40 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:40 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 05:39 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 beentheredonethat wrote: Grackaroni, is Silverwolf scum? No On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote: Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town. okay You missed the point of the whole exercise. I thought the point was that you wanted to point out how dumb the thing that ika is doing is. But the way you do it implies hat you think Silverwolf is scum. Or do I read too much into that? (please only answer that if you're not grackaroni) No I was very clear throughout the conversation that they were town. Hmm okay
why is he town then? I have her as null.
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On January 08 2017 05:44 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:41 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote: reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves. Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads? I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this. Yeah it's bugging me too. I don't trust BTDT and reps seems like he's following the "most logical" person or some shit so I don't trust his judgment either. I would rather flip Vivax/ Grack at this rate. You don't trust me but you want to flip Vivax who I just voted.
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On January 08 2017 05:46 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:44 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:41 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote: reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves. Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads? I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this. Yeah it's bugging me too. I don't trust BTDT and reps seems like he's following the "most logical" person or some shit so I don't trust his judgment either. I would rather flip Vivax/ Grack at this rate. You don't trust me but you want to flip Vivax who I just voted. re: trusting me: check the games I played. I tend to have activity spikes anyways (and I'm fully aware that I am now the one talking about activity) and I have them as either alignment. So please if you decide if you can trust me or not (D1, you cannot trust anyone I guess) don't look too much on activity. Because if you do, you will most likely get to the conclusion that you can't trust me which is wrong because I'm town.
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On January 08 2017 05:47 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:44 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 05:41 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:40 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:40 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 05:39 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 Grackaroni wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 beentheredonethat wrote: Grackaroni, is Silverwolf scum? No On January 07 2017 11:26 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:25 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote: [quote] It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town
I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. i asked first so burden of proof is on you. Also the question you are asking is not the same as what i am asking. You are asking em to prove I am town not somebody else. My question is asking you to prove your read on someone else not yourself. Again, show me posts that show the efforts and angles you are talking about. Otherwise i will say your fabricating the read on him. Then I will alter the task. Prove to me that Silverwolf is town. okay You missed the point of the whole exercise. I thought the point was that you wanted to point out how dumb the thing that ika is doing is. But the way you do it implies hat you think Silverwolf is scum. Or do I read too much into that? (please only answer that if you're not grackaroni) No I was very clear throughout the conversation that they were town. Hmm okay why is he town then? I have her as null. Because her posts at the start of the day seemed townie to me! Lol I have feels ok. I think she is town. Nobody else has been asked to specify these reads on people who just have generally active pressure-y townie filters. I'm fully okay with that.
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On January 08 2017 05:47 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:46 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:44 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:41 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote: reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves. Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads? I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this. Yeah it's bugging me too. I don't trust BTDT and reps seems like he's following the "most logical" person or some shit so I don't trust his judgment either. I would rather flip Vivax/ Grack at this rate. You don't trust me but you want to flip Vivax who I just voted. I wrote that before I saw your vote post. I was noting that Boston's wagon gained traction rather quickly. (consider me unvoted btw, I just cba to switch tabs) You should now reconsider if I am really opportunistic. Because I am not.
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On January 08 2017 05:50 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 05:48 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:46 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 08 2017 05:44 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 05:41 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote: reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier? My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves. Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads? I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this. Yeah it's bugging me too. I don't trust BTDT and reps seems like he's following the "most logical" person or some shit so I don't trust his judgment either. I would rather flip Vivax/ Grack at this rate. You don't trust me but you want to flip Vivax who I just voted. re: trusting me: check the games I played. I tend to have activity spikes anyways (and I'm fully aware that I am now the one talking about activity) and I have them as either alignment. So please if you decide if you can trust me or not (D1, you cannot trust anyone I guess) don't look too much on activity. Because if you do, you will most likely get to the conclusion that you can't trust me which is wrong because I'm town. Dunno where you got the idea that I care about your activity as I haven't mentioned yours at all iirc. My reasons for being suspicious of you are clear as day. Well I care about my activity because I got scumread for it in previous games already :/
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On January 08 2017 06:06 Grackaroni wrote: There's no one left here.
I am the Doctor
This claim is very easily counter claimable and well worth it if I am scum. If there is no counter claim then for all intents and purposes I should be confirmed.
Swika town reads all of the people that agree with them and scum reads those that do not. At the rate we are going we will mow through the town. That's a lie. I am the doctor. Everyone ##vote Grackaroni
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We have our D1 lynch, it's Grackaroni. Everyone #congratulate him by writing ##unvote ##vote Grackaroni
in the voting thread. Thanks.
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I will not be around at deadline as it is 01:00AM in the morning for me. Already saying this.
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On January 08 2017 06:32 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:31 beentheredonethat wrote: I will not be around at deadline as it is 01:00AM in the morning for me. Already saying this. These guys will 100% lynch you tomorrow if you don't un-claim. And I think rightfully so. No, I will be dead 100% in the night since I'm the doc and I will be shot.
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I didn't believe that claim as I thought it's absolutely dumb to make as town. So I counterclaimed, hoping that it was panicked mafia as he'd been lynched anyways N1.
I'm not the doctor obviously. Good night.
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well not worth than grack. gnite.
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Well guys. It's very simple. I didn't buy the claim of Doctor so I chose to counterclaim. If it was a fakeclaim => great, scum down! If not - Doc down. Awkward but that was supposed to happen N1 anyways.
So you can go all nuts like "noooes, btdt you scummer" and lynch into the Cop that I am - OR you can chill the fuck out and play this game calmly.
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On January 09 2017 03:33 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote: Well guys. It's very simple. I didn't buy the claim of Doctor so I chose to counterclaim. If it was a fakeclaim => great, scum down! If not - Doc down. Awkward but that was supposed to happen N1 anyways.
So you can go all nuts like "noooes, btdt you scummer" and lynch into the Cop that I am - OR you can chill the fuck out and play this game calmly. Are you seriously claiming that you counterclaimed a Medic as the Cop? What the actual fuck was the play there? errrr im not the cop im vanilla town
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On January 09 2017 04:04 darthfoley wrote: (I don't believe you) Tell me why I would counter claim the Doctor as mafia when I can safely kill him during the night phase.
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On January 09 2017 04:15 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 04:12 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 09 2017 04:04 darthfoley wrote: (I don't believe you) Tell me why I would counter claim the Doctor as mafia when I can safely kill him during the night phase. becasue you can get him lynched? i was aboutt o go apeshit on the fact you were claiming cop next That only makes sense if I am the counterwagon (which I wasn't) OR one of my scum team members is the counter wagon (which would mean that the other lynchees are also scum).
Because why would I sacrifice myself for the Doctor in this scenario? Doesn't make sense. It was a bold move from town!btdt and you can either believe it and go on with it or throw away the D2 lynch. Grackdoc would've been dead anyways, latest N1.
This is boring.
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Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who
a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)
I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D
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On January 09 2017 05:13 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 05:08 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 09 2017 04:15 ika42 wrote:On January 09 2017 04:12 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 09 2017 04:04 darthfoley wrote: (I don't believe you) Tell me why I would counter claim the Doctor as mafia when I can safely kill him during the night phase. becasue you can get him lynched? i was aboutt o go apeshit on the fact you were claiming cop next That only makes sense if I am the counterwagon (which I wasn't) OR one of my scum team members is the counter wagon (which would mean that the other lynchees are also scum). Because why would I sacrifice myself for the Doctor in this scenario? Doesn't make sense. It was a bold move from town!btdt and you can either believe it and go on with it or throw away the D2 lynch. Grackdoc would've been dead anyways, latest N1. This is boring. WIFOM argument WIFOM arugment you avoided the big point of we would have doc speaking and a cop would knwo that a doc is possible. Please quote this post and apologize for your bad judgement ("WIFOM") once I have flipped.
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On January 09 2017 05:18 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 05:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who
a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)
I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D People who want you dead at all cost? What the fuck are you talking about dude? So the people who think you town claimed are mafia, and the people who think you're more likely mafia are also mafia. I guess everyone is mafia All while you're also cop and VT. Cool, man. Stop trying to misrepresent me. I'm the locked lynch and that's just fine. However, you and Vivax are scum together and I will take post-game cred for this .
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On January 09 2017 05:17 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 05:13 ika42 wrote:On January 09 2017 05:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who
a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)
I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D you would get no cred if they are scum because of what you pulled the fact is that even if they are scum, you get no cred based on the fact you had to play a borderline greifing/gamethrowing move to just prove your point.If one must basically play such shit to be right/get their reads, they are doing something wrong. Im going to watch AGDQ cus this is jsut gonna piss me off further The bolded sentence basically confirms you as town. Which is great! Never lynch ika42.
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Also guys calling for bans for griefing: I genuinely thought it's a good idea and had no idea that Grack was the actual doctor. Keep in mind he completely unnecessary claimed Doc at a point where it was just dumb (or scum-motivated!) to do so.
Which led me to the decision of counter-claiming because I thought:
1. If he's doctor, he's dead N1, so lynch D1 isn't bad 2. If he's not doctor, we got scum down
I took a risk. It did not pay off. You can, as I said, continue to tilt which is going to be absolutely great for scum, or you can try to get people to talk and continue to find scum. Your choice.
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(also, bans etc. are up to the hosts and should only be discussed post-game)
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Don't waste D2, guys. It's important to not give those 48 hours just because I'm locked.
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On January 09 2017 05:34 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 05:23 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 09 2017 05:18 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 05:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who
a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)
I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D People who want you dead at all cost? What the fuck are you talking about dude? So the people who think you town claimed are mafia, and the people who think you're more likely mafia are also mafia. I guess everyone is mafia All while you're also cop and VT. Cool, man. Stop trying to misrepresent me. I'm the locked lynch and that's just fine. However, you and Vivax are scum together and I will take post-game cred for this . Can't wait for your apology Nah. I'm salty myself because it didn't work out and of course I don't know 100% if it's really you and Vivax. :/
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okay then I'll just afk at this point and you dismiss another VT
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On January 09 2017 07:42 reps)squishy wrote:I feel that Onegu has fallen under the radar. I looked over the filters of townie players to see how much they talked about Onegu. Which consists of Calix, Ika,and Sw. And what I see is his VT claim controversy, which is not AI whatsoever. And his name popping up when Boston changed his reason for voting for Onegu. When checking Onegu's filter it is not as active as the average vet, with the exception of Kelsier. And a good portion of his posts pertain to his activity alone. He does not look to make up his low activity with anything of substance either. I also believe Onegu's suspicion of Boston would not have came if it were directed at another player. I think it is solely a reaction to being voted on by Boston. And I noticed something that was extremely odd to me. Just as btdt claimed cop Onegu talked about something incredibly unimportant, and that was SW's post format. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote: Well guys. It's very simple. I didn't buy the claim of Doctor so I chose to counterclaim. If it was a fakeclaim => great, scum down! If not - Doc down. Awkward but that was supposed to happen N1 anyways.
So you can go all nuts like "noooes, btdt you scummer" and lynch into the Cop that I am - OR you can chill the fuck out and play this game calmly. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 03:43 Onegu wrote:On January 09 2017 02:36 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 09 2017 02:29 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 02:27 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote: Can Silverwolf77 figure out how quotes work and edit her posts ? You can't edit your posts. But yea please preview your posts before you have badly formatted quotes please I already said I'm not gonna quote snip anymore but if there is a better way people want me to do it, I'm happy to go along with that. Otherwise I'll just copy the whole thing or use spoilers if needed. The easiest way to do it is copy the whole thing and then Bold or underline the part you want to talk about. Recognize the time stamps, there is a 13 minute difference. He is focusing on irrelevant things, and was around to respond to BTDT but ignored it
On January 09 2017 07:48 Vivax wrote: Squishy is 100 % mafia.
I agree with Vivax. Here's a TMI:
"Recognize the time stamps, there is a 13 minute difference. He is focusing on irrelevant things, and was around to respond to BTDT but ignored it" He basically says: "onegu is scum because he did not respond to BTDT". That would mean that BTDT is town. He can only know that if he's scum.
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On January 09 2017 07:56 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 14:07 Onegu wrote: Just FYI 100% we lynch btdt tomorrow. Even though I give btdt a 30% chance of being scum. He has to be lynched. It is a terrible play as scum as scum could just shoot him. The only way it becomes a ok play is if they think the lynch would go from grack to a actual scum player. Even then its not great as btdt wasnt being looked at. I think it comes from town more often than not who thinks he will save the actual doctor from having to CC and then lynch scum and eat a bullet. Wanting to make the hero play. But this play needs to be punished. Plus a 30% chance to hit scum is fine. Squishy I already posted this. I dont care how btdt defends his actions. He gets lynched for it. Period so why post about it? you explained 100% correctly what I did so you're now with 30% left
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahha
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I got roleblocked. But noone is going to believe that anyways^^ so good night
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But yeah that's why I said that I'm cop. I tried to eat scum KP. At least I ate scum roleblock. Now you guys can continue lynching me. Don't worry, I'm not cop. Good night!
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Erm
I was roleblocked and my flip will confirm this. That means either scum didnt shoot (impossible) or scum hit a veteran (unlikely, doc/vet in a setup) or Kmatt is not the vigilante.
Just saying.
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I will never again go for the hero play and I am looking forward to the blame.
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You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
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Okay, in all seriousness. This is kind of an attempt to save myself although I am aware that it just won't happen. Whatever, hope dies last, and I think it's worth trying. I guess the scum team is just letting things work out as they are in D2. There is no need for them to push anything foward as town is currently on auto-pilot lynching me.
I am town. Of course I am the lynch, the chance of me getting away is just too big.
However, trying to survive here, so here's why I "slip-claimed" Cop: I hoped to eat the Mafia shot at night. I hoped they'd believe my slip and kill me, so a potential Vigilante would not have to kill me and, more importantly, the lynch would not be wasted on me. This did not work out.
Given that Scum didn't need to do anything D2, it's highly unlikely that all three of them posted over the day besides doing the bare minimum of what had to be done.
So, let's start with Silverwolf:
On January 09 2017 09:46 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:37 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 09:35 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 09 2017 09:31 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:26 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 09:22 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:19 beentheredonethat wrote: I got roleblocked. But noone is going to believe that anyways^^ so good night I am now leaning btdt as town. @Onegu: do you still stand by this statement? On January 08 2017 14:07 Onegu wrote: Just FYI 100% we lynch btdt tomorrow. Even though I give btdt a 30% chance of being scum. He has to be lynched. It is a terrible play as scum as scum could just shoot him. The only way it becomes a ok play is if they think the lynch would go from grack to a actual scum player. Even then its not great as btdt wasnt being looked at. I think it comes from town more often than not who thinks he will save the actual doctor from having to CC and then lynch scum and eat a bullet. Wanting to make the hero play. But this play needs to be punished. Plus a 30% chance to hit scum is fine. you're gonna have to explain that one to me. Why? I cannot see him making that up if he were scum... I can. Why? Have you seen all the BS he's spewing? I'm the doc, no I'm the cop, no I'm a VT, no I'm the cop, no I'm a VT, no I was roleblocked. Scum could easily hold back a roleblock and then claim it, trying to look town with it. She is completely discarding anything that came out of my fingers. Why is that? There were decent reasons to think I'm town, Vivax eg. did so, although he was VT on his own. SW however doesn't even think a second on why I acted how I did.
"Scum could easily hold back a roleblock and then claim it, trying to look town with it." And where exactly would be the value in doing so? Scum clearly roleblocked me because they thought I was the cop. Also, what makes you sure that the Mafia may hold their roleblock? What if they get randomized if they're not used? Also, why wouldn't they roleblock me for real if they would try to fake me? I'm not really buying that rage.
Let's go on to the Onegu post:
On January 10 2017 14:11 SilverWolf77 wrote: Onegu:
Flying under the radar. Yep, I keep forgetting about him which I don't like.
His whole VT thing is null for me, I don't get the point and when I asked he simply said it was his thing. It just looks like busy work and not much else. If he got some reads off it, that would be different but he didn't.
Suspicious of B0ston for voting him when he only made 2 posts. A little reactive-gets annoyed B0ston didn't say it was a pressure vote but you don't usually say a vote is a pressure vote when you vote someone for pressure so..............
Makes irrelevant comment about OMGUS and what it means.
Reiterates trolliness is NAI for him.
Explains his scumread on B0ston was for fabricating a read on him and later changing the narrative on it. This is actually pretty good.
Doesn't like Vivax defending people as a vet player. Basically just a one line scumread of Vivax. Meh.
Explains his townread on me better.
Says he's town cuz he's VT.
A few more irrelevant comments about stubborness and saying he claims VT in all his games. I think he made too much of this but it's apparently NAI for him.
A few more irrelevant posts.
I do like his explanation for his scumread on B0ston.
Didn't like Grack's claim and votes him for the cc.
Strongly states we need to lynch btdt which I agree with.
Says Kelsier is the veteran who would shoot Vivax if scum.
Says he'll figure the game out for us. I hope someone does.
Overall, a lot of filler posting which is NAI for him. A decent enough explanation for why Kelsier would shoot Vivax due to meta and Vivax vote on him.
A good reasoning for his suspicion on B0ston.
Unfortunately it's null town. Meaning a couple points look town, the rest looks null. I don't really see anything scummy though or anything that looks scum motivated so null town it is.
This is basically "Hey, I am right now reading his filter and I am writing down what I think while I read that filter". Which, per se, isn't a bad thing - but if you invest another minute into thinking about that, you will clearly see where this is flawed. So first off - there is no value in saying what someone did without drawing a conclusion from it. And the only conclusion drawn is "null town". What is null town even? Null town is the very definition of "I will not pressure this guy".
The whole post on Onegu is unnecessary and weird. At this point, there is no need to write such a post. A town player would write that post out of a "let's get D2 going" mentality, to spark up discussion, to maybe pressure someone. This is not what SW is doing. She is simply writing some words and giving a "null town" read to Onegu, whatever that is. It feels forced and it feels like she's afraid to actually do something. But only scum should be afraid to do stuff, town can do rather carelessly what they want as long as they stay honest and open minded and do not derail the thread into whatever.
And then, there's the glorious combination of "I will do more" and "Nahhhh, I won't do more because serious reasons" posts:
On January 10 2017 14:14 SilverWolf77 wrote: I'll do more tomorrow. I'm dead tired and not feeling great right now.
On January 11 2017 03:30 SilverWolf77 wrote: I'm not gonna filter dive btdt or Kelsier because one is gonna be lynched and one is likely to be mod killed for inactivity. I'm also not gonna filter dive kmatt as he is the town vig. I'm not going to bother with ika's as he is my strongest townread based on numerous games with him. He is active, engaged, trying to figure out the game, directly interacting with people instead of asking them to come to him, not having trouble with reads, and is invested in the game.
This is incredibly scummy. First off, "I will not filter dive the persons that are scummy". Kelsier and me are the easiest scumreads around - I counterclaimed a Doctor and Kelsier simply doesn't seem to be there. So yeah, no need to pile up on that, that's correct - but there are ways to contribute. She's not "bothering with Ika" as she townreads him but nevertheless she states over and over again why she townreads him.
So let's see. Is he really all of "active, engaged, trying to figure out the game, directly interacting with people instead of asking them to come to him, not having trouble with reads, and is invested in the game."?
To be fair, I don't know. What I do know is that I townread Ika, too. He's got 8 pages of filter, that's a lot for a 55 page game. Also his reaction to what I did felt very genuine and I think I quoted already a post where I said that he's town.
But the whole praising of Ika's townieness just strikes me as exaggerated. SW seems to be a bit too sure about Ika's alignment. Shouldn't she be a bit more paranoid? I think she should be.
On January 10 2017 05:36 SilverWolf77 wrote: Btdt-if you are Town going to be lynched, you leave your last reads. Your reaction makes me think you are scum.
At dr but later I'll filter dive and do a Town to scum list. Like - I don't get that. After posts like "Lynch with fire", she goes on with "IF YOU ARE TOWN DO SHIT" which is like the most obvious excuse for scum to post during an inactive day and feel active.
Hmm. My conclusion would be a decent scumread on SilverWolf77.
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reps)squishy should be lynched with fire. This is out of the question.
On January 06 2017 16:53 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:41 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:19 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea.
probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving.
Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary. I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric. What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate I can't tell whether you're being serious or blowing me off here or both. If it's the former, I'd like to hear the rationale for that. nah not being serious, you just had no chill so it was fun to mess with you a bit. i thought your first post about michael was pretty good so your pretty towny to me. everyone else is suspect though. especially that kmatt dude If you think kmatt is suspect why did you vote Grack? cos silverwolf blew the whole thing wide open with his theory that maybe earlier posting was scum and not later posting. So I perfectly fused the two theories and my calculations said that 4th post was most likely mafia. You want a graph? I find this a bit scummy. He really can't get any leads from this and just throws out numbers. I do not think this logic is sound whatsoever. It would be fine if it was just begging of the game meme, but he actually did vote for Grack. Of topic: Typing Grack reminded me of this + Show Spoiler + So there's this huge conversation going on. Quote and quote and quote. And he "finds this a bit scummy." Why would you take a post that is obviously trolly so seriously?
But he does:
On January 07 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote: Grackaroni Still waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently.
Kelsier's logic was based on Ika's questionnaire people who responded early would be town. Then I think it was SW said maybe to opposite mafia would want to respond quickly. So Kelsier "perfectly fused the two theories to make the 4th person who respond mafia. Grack just unfortunately posted 4th which Kelsier humorously then voted for him. So do you also believe in the post too early or too late you are possible scum so the in between is where it is at? If you don't believe Kelsier's hypothesis then this statement "I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him." is not all that true I am not out to lynch Kelsier, just his lynch vote is not based on any logic or read I would find compelling.
Townreads Onegu in a weird way: + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 11:32 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 09:24 Onegu wrote:On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote: @Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol You wont get reasons why I go afk. I used to provide them but then had a discussion over it with someone that it can cause people to make reads on me based on my reasons. So I have stopped posting them for the most part. Unless I know in a few days I have a doctors appointment and wont be around I normally tell people about it before hand but if something comes up and I am gone I just comeback and dont say anything anymore. Now that your caught up with the reading you could have told people who your leads are. Instead you have become entirely defensive about your activity, and BostonSC's failed vote for you. I want you to get on track since I kind of trust your VT claim. So here is a question for you. I am currently leaning toward Vivax myself because of SilverWolf77's response to my questioning. So why do you feel this way:
Then, weird "suspicions that are not AI" on Vivax:
On January 07 2017 12:40 reps)squishy wrote:[b]@Grackaroni/b] your evidence that Vivax was a townie was no different than just singling out his post like you can do here. Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote: If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. I have suspicions of vivax nothing AI otherwise I would have voted. But a failure to show that he is a townie makes my suspicions grow. Do we honestly need to vote for Vivax for you to finally give evidence he is a townie?
Being lazy here, but I'd lynch him at any point.
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I'm aware I'm the lynch of this day. So please consider those posts to be genuine (at least after the flip). They might be wrong, but they're genuine.
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On January 09 2017 07:42 reps)squishy wrote:I feel that Onegu has fallen under the radar. I looked over the filters of townie players to see how much they talked about Onegu. Which consists of Calix, Ika,and Sw. And what I see is his VT claim controversy, which is not AI whatsoever. And his name popping up when Boston changed his reason for voting for Onegu. When checking Onegu's filter it is not as active as the average vet, with the exception of Kelsier. And a good portion of his posts pertain to his activity alone. He does not look to make up his low activity with anything of substance either. I also believe Onegu's suspicion of Boston would not have came if it were directed at another player. I think it is solely a reaction to being voted on by Boston. And I noticed something that was extremely odd to me. Just as btdt claimed cop Onegu talked about something incredibly unimportant, and that was SW's post format. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote: Well guys. It's very simple. I didn't buy the claim of Doctor so I chose to counterclaim. If it was a fakeclaim => great, scum down! If not - Doc down. Awkward but that was supposed to happen N1 anyways.
So you can go all nuts like "noooes, btdt you scummer" and lynch into the Cop that I am - OR you can chill the fuck out and play this game calmly. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 03:43 Onegu wrote:On January 09 2017 02:36 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 09 2017 02:29 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 02:27 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote: Can Silverwolf77 figure out how quotes work and edit her posts ? You can't edit your posts. But yea please preview your posts before you have badly formatted quotes please I already said I'm not gonna quote snip anymore but if there is a better way people want me to do it, I'm happy to go along with that. Otherwise I'll just copy the whole thing or use spoilers if needed. The easiest way to do it is copy the whole thing and then Bold or underline the part you want to talk about. Recognize the time stamps, there is a 13 minute difference. He is focusing on irrelevant things, and was around to respond to BTDT but ignored it Timestamp comparison. That would be bold as scum. Suddenly, I'm not so sure about his alignment anymore.
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On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:Could you not
On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:What makes you say that? Kmatt probably town.
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My passion is dying again
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On January 11 2017 04:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:My read on ikea : Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote: are you town? how long have you played mafia? do you play elsewhere and if so where? What is your typical play style? how do you scumhunt/townhunt? do you know anyone here that you can read very well?
to answer my own: yes about 4-5 years now on and off now my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver) kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 SilverWolf77 wrote: Hi all!!!! Hi silverwolf! could you answer my questions? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:32 ika42 wrote: should of quoted you too in it but you can read above
and ppl plz answer the questions i have aksed too Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:35 ika42 wrote:
why do you not want to answer them? its a great way to talk to people Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:48 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 22:40 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote: [quote]
But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? is that last part directed at me or vivak? cus you reference me in here but im not sure if its a direct at me due to me being here. Nah that's towards Vivax. I posted that at the same time as you did your flurry of recent posts. Speaking of which, what do you make of Vivax so far? null scum the post he made here: On January 06 2017 13:38 Vivax wrote:I like these questions. Just the first is pointless, insert generic yes. Don't think anything related to them deserves to be alignment indicative, but it's a nice way of getting to know new faces, On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote: are you town? zzz.
how long have you played mafia? 6-7 years, I think?
do you play elsewhere and if so where? Town of Salem when I want a quick casual game where I can execute people in jail.
What is your typical play style? Agreeable and low activity as scum and abrasive, sometimes spammy as town.
how do you scumhunt/townhunt? That doesn't fit in a questionnaire. do you know anyone here that you can read very well? Nah no one in the dead sure category.
is what sticks out to me right now. He goes "oh NAI stuff, let me claim its NAI and answer it" but the bigger thing is what is bolded. The way hes putting it out there (oh jsut punch in yes) feels like a guilty conscious of "well i'm scum who needs to put in generic sounding yes" cus i could of said to mine (or anyone for that matter) "why yes i am town", "lol, ya im town", hell someone could even say "nah im miller" or "im scum you got me" like i've asked that dozens of times and gotten anything from someone claiming to be a citizen (VT) to a jester who needs to be lynched by specific people. do i make sense? I kinda streamlined it Now this is my summary of all this, if you think the survey is important. why didn't you go on Calix to answer it. Here in the very last post you make a big deal about Vivax's analysis, but you never asked Calix to fill it out. Infact you let her get away by just saying ' yeah I copy your style ikea, bla bla bla'. After this post he gets into an argument with Vivax about all the merits, but he doesn't ask Calix to fill it out. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:54 ika42 wrote: also in about an hr ill be gone, i am doing remodel at work This is actually a common thread across all his posts, I don't know why you want to mention this shit in so many of your posts. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 ika42 wrote: FYI, i have been working overnights at work for remodle. Im tired and gonna pass out for a few hrs.
I am off today and sat though so sat will prob be when im most around.
Night everyone (even though its 8:26 in the morn) here again... Now I want to focus on these set of posts after we lynched Grack and Kmatt claims we have active PR in cop/vet Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:26 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:42 Kmatt wrote: Yeah we have an active PR in either a cop or vet, if you have something to say might as well get it out there. its cop or vig.... Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:20 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:On January 08 2017 13:02 ika42 wrote: also kmatt is now town What makes you say that? you town slipped that it was vet or cop scums knwo setup Show nested quote + A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
What ? Just because someone says vet/cop doesn't make them town. The day had already passed, he knew that Grack was Doc. This could as well be a try at misinformation. They could be doing it on purpose. Its flawed logic. You just want to go around claiming everyone is town based on the flimsiest of evidence or giving nothing to back it up. You are my top scum read right now. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:00 ika42 wrote: He called both of us town.
there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it.
whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though? Then why didn't you ? What were you waiting for ? Why did you make it so much later in the game ? Or did you even make it. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote:
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now I do2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. again this 'tired' argument and you use that to explain your read . lul. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. Or maybe because she's as scummy as ika is and doesn't want to look like she's pressuring someone too hard 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her not really, that's not sound logic, it could be the other way around too This is extremely poor defense of his SW read. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote:
I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread
So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form? So maybe you changed your playstyle because you probably got figured out last game. Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote: wow this game died.... Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk. Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuffWhat do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next. This shit again. Now lets look at his read on reps Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:11 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote: rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town still scum lean on him. i re isoed the beggining and something pinged me. its his post about "how do you know hes town" (somewhere i can quote later) and kinda casting shade on KCS but not really pushing it. also a lot of his post are more theory related then game related Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:19 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 05:17 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote: You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
I'd take you more seriously if you contributed and didn't make inflammatory posts like this every other breath. You yourself consider that to be a scum tell. i was about to say he could be giving read or something I still think reps is scummy. I don't know what he said would make you change your evaluation of reps from scummy to town so soon. As I said at the beginning of D2, I am in favor of bumping off ikea. There might have been stuff that I've missed but for me ikea is scummy I used to make those cases as scum. They look awesome but in the end those oneliner reactions aren't great. I don't think this case is too good.
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I shall vote but I'm not really here. currently pen and paper.
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So I screwed this game up
I'm sorry.
Darthfoley was rather obvious mafia, squishy as well, Calix.. no. What? Red? What?!
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