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On January 09 2017 05:08 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 04:15 ika42 wrote:On January 09 2017 04:12 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 09 2017 04:04 darthfoley wrote:
(I don't believe you) Tell me why I would counter claim the Doctor as mafia when I can safely kill him during the night phase. becasue you can get him lynched? i was aboutt o go apeshit on the fact you were claiming cop next That only makes sense if I am the counterwagon (which I wasn't) OR one of my scum team members is the counter wagon (which would mean that the other lynchees are also scum). Because why would I sacrifice myself for the Doctor in this scenario? Doesn't make sense. It was a bold move from town!btdt and you can either believe it and go on with it or throw away the D2 lynch. Grackdoc would've been dead anyways, latest N1. This is boring.
WIFOM argument
WIFOM arugment
you avoided the big point of we would have doc speaking and a cop would knwo that a doc is possible.
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On January 09 2017 05:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who
a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and
b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)
I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D
you would get no cred if they are scum because of what you pulled
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On January 09 2017 05:13 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 05:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who
a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and
b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)
I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D you would get no cred if they are scum because of what you pulled
the fact is that even if they are scum, you get no cred based on the fact you had to play a borderline greifing/gamethrowing move to just prove your point.
If one must basically play such shit to be right/get their reads, they are doing something wrong.
Im going to watch AGDQ cus this is jsut gonna piss me off further
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On January 09 2017 09:00 SilverWolf77 wrote:
How long does a person have to be absent from the thread before they are replaced? It bothers me that Kelsier was so active and then just disappeared but it could be real life.
The rule ask for one post every 24 hrs. Otherwise it can lead to warnings or replacements.
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On January 09 2017 09:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:How do you know that ?
Have you been reading the game?
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On January 09 2017 09:35 reps)squishy wrote:Can you elaborate please.
Did you read the start of the night? where i was talking to vix about it?
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On January 09 2017 09:40 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:38 ika42 wrote:On January 09 2017 09:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 09 2017 09:30 ika42 wrote:
Cool silver is town How do you know that ? Have you been reading the game? That is irrelevant, I ask how do you know SW is town, you just claimed it. Don't put it back on me, I say we lynch ika this night. Then you can lynch me the next night. Fuck this guy.
And I am asking if you have been reading because the town read of her has been explained before.
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On January 09 2017 09:36 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:31 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:26 darthfoley wrote:On January 09 2017 09:22 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:19 beentheredonethat wrote:
I got roleblocked. But noone is going to believe that anyways^^ so good night I am now leaning btdt as town. @Onegu: do you still stand by this statement? On January 08 2017 14:07 Onegu wrote:
Just FYI 100% we lynch btdt tomorrow. Even though I give btdt a 30% chance of being scum. He has to be lynched. It is a terrible play as scum as scum could just shoot him. The only way it becomes a ok play is if they think the lynch would go from grack to a actual scum player. Even then its not great as btdt wasnt being looked at. I think it comes from town more often than not who thinks he will save the actual doctor from having to CC and then lynch scum and eat a bullet. Wanting to make the hero play. But this play needs to be punished. Plus a 30% chance to hit scum is fine. you're gonna have to explain that one to me. Why? I cannot see him making that up if he were scum... He's full of shit. I'm the vig and I blew my load on Vivax. Thought I was being clever but apparently all his shpeal about not surviving the night was true for more than one reason.
How come you didnt shoot beentjeredonethat?
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On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk.
Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuff
What do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next.
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if BTDT was flipped, who would you lynch next
lets do both town and scum flips just for argument sake
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whats your read on each other right now? do you guys have any impending questions for me?
im gonan pass out soon cus i got overnights till thurs so i will need more sleep
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On January 10 2017 04:54 darthfoley wrote:Yea actually I do have a question for you Ika. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:09 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 06:06 Grackaroni wrote:
There's no one left here.
I am the Doctor
This claim is very easily counter claimable and well worth it if I am scum. If there is no counter claim then for all intents and purposes I should be confirmed.
Swika town reads all of the people that agree with them and scum reads those that do not. At the rate we are going we will mow through the town. Not really? Honestly i dont see many people agreeing with us. I see more of it being "well we do our own reason but have same conclusions" If you want to pull quotes to disprove this go ahead This post feels awkward. Like Grack, your scum read at the time, claimed doc and you quote the specific post and don't even address the doc part. You address his swika TR/SR associative thing. Like there's no reaction... it just seems very different from other people in the thread at the time why?
doctor was self resolving. if there was no CC i would take it at face vaule that he is doc. There is nothing more on the matter that needs to be adreed FMPOV.
Was i annoyed that we ran up our potential doc (at the time)? yes
am i mad that he didnt play well enough to prevent his lynch and was forced to claim? yes
am i annoyed at me and the town voters for voting him? yes
the thing though, is that i dont care for stuff that is resloved by itself. if it was a closed setup where we didnt know any potential setups then i would maybe think hes lying.
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On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote:
rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town
still scum lean on him. i re isoed the beggining and something pinged me. its his post about "how do you know hes town" (somewhere i can quote later) and kinda casting shade on KCS but not really pushing it.
also a lot of his post are more theory related then game related
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On January 10 2017 05:17 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
I'd take you more seriously if you contributed and didn't make inflammatory posts like this every other breath. You yourself consider that to be a scum tell.
i was about to say he could be giving read or something
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On January 11 2017 04:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:My read on ikea : Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
are you town?
how long have you played mafia?
do you play elsewhere and if so where?
What is your typical play style?
how do you scumhunt/townhunt?
do you know anyone here that you can read very well?
to answer my own:
yes
about 4-5 years now on and off now
my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver)
kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time
yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:26 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 09:25 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Hi all!!!! Hi silverwolf! could you answer my questions? Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:32 ika42 wrote:
should of quoted you too in it but you can read above
and ppl plz answer the questions i have aksed too Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 09:35 ika42 wrote:
why do you not want to answer them? its a great way to talk to people Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 22:48 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 22:40 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:
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But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? is that last part directed at me or vivak? cus you reference me in here but im not sure if its a direct at me due to me being here. Nah that's towards Vivax. I posted that at the same time as you did your flurry of recent posts. Speaking of which, what do you make of Vivax so far? null scum the post he made here: On January 06 2017 13:38 Vivax wrote:I like these questions. Just the first is pointless, insert generic yes. Don't think anything related to them deserves to be alignment indicative, but it's a nice way of getting to know new faces, On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
are you town? zzz.
how long have you played mafia? 6-7 years, I think?
do you play elsewhere and if so where? Town of Salem when I want a quick casual game where I can execute people in jail.
What is your typical play style? Agreeable and low activity as scum and abrasive, sometimes spammy as town.
how do you scumhunt/townhunt? That doesn't fit in a questionnaire.
do you know anyone here that you can read very well? Nah no one in the dead sure category.
is what sticks out to me right now. He goes "oh NAI stuff, let me claim its NAI and answer it" but the bigger thing is what is bolded. The way hes putting it out there (oh jsut punch in yes) feels like a guilty conscious of "well i'm scum who needs to put in generic sounding yes" cus i could of said to mine (or anyone for that matter) "why yes i am town", "lol, ya im town", hell someone could even say "nah im miller" or "im scum you got me" like i've asked that dozens of times and gotten anything from someone claiming to be a citizen (VT) to a jester who needs to be lynched by specific people. do i make sense? I kinda streamlined it 1) Now this is my summary of all this, if you think the survey is important. why didn't you go on Calix to answer it. Here in the very last post you make a big deal about Vivax's analysis, but you never asked Calix to fill it out. Infact you let her get away by just saying ' yeah I copy your style ikea, bla bla bla'. After this post he gets into an argument with Vivax about all the merits, but he doesn't ask Calix to fill it out. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:54 ika42 wrote:
also in about an hr ill be gone, i am doing remodel at work This is actually a common thread across all his posts, I don't know why you want to mention this shit in so many of your posts. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:26 ika42 wrote:
FYI, i have been working overnights at work for remodle. Im tired and gonna pass out for a few hrs.
I am off today and sat though so sat will prob be when im most around.
Night everyone (even though its 8:26 in the morn) 2) here again... Now I want to focus on these set of posts after we lynched Grack and Kmatt claims we have active PR in cop/vet Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:26 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:42 Kmatt wrote:
Yeah we have an active PR in either a cop or vet, if you have something to say might as well get it out there. its cop or vig.... Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:20 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:On January 08 2017 13:02 ika42 wrote:
also kmatt is now town What makes you say that? you town slipped that it was vet or cop scums knwo setup Show nested quote +
A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
3) What ? Just because someone says vet/cop doesn't make them town. The day had already passed, he knew that Grack was Doc. This could as well be a try at misinformation. They could be doing it on purpose. Its flawed logic. You just want to go around claiming everyone is town based on the flimsiest of evidence or giving nothing to back it up. You are my top scum read right now. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:00 ika42 wrote:
He called both of us town.
there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it.
whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though? 4) Then why didn't you ? What were you waiting for ? Why did you make it so much later in the game ? Or did you even make it. Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote:
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now I do2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. again this 'tired' argument and you use that to explain your read . lul. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. Or maybe because she's as scummy as ika is and doesn't want to look like she's pressuring someone too hard 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her not really, that's not sound logic, it could be the other way around too 5) This is extremely poor defense of his SW read. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote:
I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread
So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form? 6) So maybe you changed your playstyle because you probably got figured out last game. Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote:
wow this game died.... Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk. Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuffWhat do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next. 7) This shit again. Now lets look at his read on reps Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:11 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote:
rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town still scum lean on him. i re isoed the beggining and something pinged me. its his post about "how do you know hes town" (somewhere i can quote later) and kinda casting shade on KCS but not really pushing it. also a lot of his post are more theory related then game related Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:19 ika42 wrote:On January 10 2017 05:17 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
I'd take you more seriously if you contributed and didn't make inflammatory posts like this every other breath. You yourself consider that to be a scum tell. i was about to say he could be giving read or something 8) I still think reps is scummy. I don't know what he said would make you change your evaluation of reps from scummy to town so soon. As I said at the beginning of D2, I am in favor of bumping off ikea. There might have been stuff that I've missed but for me ikea is scummy
ok i numbered each one so let me answer you proper on this shit ass case.
1) i didn't double down on claix because not only have i played with her before but i know if i argue with her its just going to have a piss fight. The big question i was going for was how long or how much people played. When people put questionable stuff i will poke at it. If they just go "well i'm not gonna answer it because i just don't want to" i might let it dependent on the player.
2) i bring this up because i am very tired when i get home and normally pass out for a good 10 or so hrs. I just got up where my last post was when i got home so you can see a long gap of me not being around. I like to let people know when i am around and not so they dont accuse me of lurking/afk. Not only that but it allows people to kinda put stuff out there for me to read if theres something needed when i come back
3) its called a townslip. when its open info on what could or could not exist. Town is more likely to be misinformed about it. For scum to do such thing they have to actively say the words or actively "think" the wrong info they have.
4) i had no reason to make it sooner or at all. Nobody really pushed me (outside of grack) to explain it and she was widly town read to begin with
5) this does not refute the town case at all and instead buzzwords it. if you think its bad you need to disprove the points
6) lol, you make it sound so easy to just go "change", its not. When me and silver are not in games (or are in hydra) we are constantly talking about our metas. So even if my meta did change, she would be aware of it.
7) please read point 2
8) his post style changed and sounded much more town like. A lot of his posting before sounded like he was reading form a script to the point it was robotic. After i called him out and he said "oh well i can post differently" and made those posts it looks a lot more town
if you think hes so scummy what about him is scummy?
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On January 11 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:
That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when 1) You think he's mafia 2) He's 1000% getting lynched today This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt.
im still kinda reading up but if anything i read her town off that becasue she is defensive by nature. scum or not you should refute the case unless they are 100% mafia confirmed.
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