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On January 08 2017 12:55 darthfoley wrote:
This also kinda wastes our D2 in terms of a lynch VCA
VCA is shit.
plz dont have me start another rant. cus i will go full blown out on why its shit and always will be shit
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great my post quote got fucked
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i need a soda and FFX again....
Something tells me this is gonna be one of those nights...
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On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:What makes you say that?
you town slipped that it was vet or cop
scums knwo setup
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On January 08 2017 13:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:04 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:
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Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted.
His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.
Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:
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No, I don't know the guy
Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem. Now you answer for ika? Isn't that supposed to make you scummy?
well you mentioned her and i answered for myself that you responded to so i dont get why you are even trying to take this angle
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On January 08 2017 13:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:00 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, 1) for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. 2)But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. 3) Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. 4)But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. 1) how do i know you are town? i dont 2) it makes little sense FMPOV to have someone as null but question the person who is slight scum reading them. Your post give implications that you had a town read on me so no misrepresntation 3) what question? if you quote it i will gladly answer it. 4) plz read my post before you even try to take that high ground cus i said and quote I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read I accepted i was wrong already but grack is equal blame. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:
Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little?
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This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand.
Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:
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But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. He called both of us town. there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it. whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though?
1) You don't, but Grack did so that's one of the reasons that it's uncalled for you to take a crap on a dead player's skill.
2) I told you at the time that I didn't have a townread on you and it wasn't enough. You kept trying to cram into my mouth that I called you town somewhere.
3) It's quoted in the same post you are answering to.
4) Whether we are good or bad is not the answer I'm looking for in this game right now but I don't take it lightly when you question how a dead player played. It's not on him that he got lynched, it's on the people voting for him.[/QUOTE]
1) if you get lynched you (and as i have said, the voters) did something wrong simple as that. I am merely venting about how he complained when he did nothing to fix it.
2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there
3) i read it twice and see now question unless it was a statement in witch case point it out plz
4) its both the player and the voters fault as i have said.
furthermore its is a players fault becasue they were scummy enough to be voted and pushed though on a lynch. if you dont like it that i am merely venting then thats your problem. not mine
it goes both ways when someoen is lynched. if the player is town then one of the following happened
A) they were too scummy and not town enough to avoid being scum read and invedtibly lycnhed
B) they got CC and failed to make themselfs town enough to win the CC
now we can continue this stupidity of our own beliefs on how one played or we can talk about the game
i ask again, what is your read on me and do you still want me to town case silver?
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On January 08 2017 13:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:17 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 13:11 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 13:04 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:
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I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol
But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:
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She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude.
It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol.
It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem. Now you answer for ika? Isn't that supposed to make you scummy? I was answering for myself. You mentioned myself and ika in this post. You know what. I'm signing off for a bit. This game is very, very annoying to me right now. Look. I apologize that I might be coming across as very unfriendly. But I want both of you to understand that you also came across like that earlier, even though you might not realize it. And I am allergic to ika coming in and suddenly trying to put the blame on Grack for how he played, as I don't see at all how he would deserve that, and it's also pretty rude to talk like that about dead players as they can't talk for themselves anymore and then read these things. Which is one of the reasons I call him full of himself.
Look, if im rude its not intentional.
If i feel like someon played badly im gonna call it out and then move on.
Am i being blunt on the issue? yes
can he defend himsefl? no
am i gonna keep this up all game long and rail on him? no
im just annoyed that he was indeed doc and FMPOV and how i feel is that he played poorly.
does this mean hes a bad player? no
does this mean i want nothing to do with him? no
do i have adivce for him come post game and later? yes if he wants to hear it
im bulnt and to the point overall. i know im not perfect and frankly i find myself being the least full person you can get to know. I do have strong beliefs on certain aspects on game theory and stuff but in general i dont say (nor have i said or am implying in any way) "OMG YOU SUCK" "DONT PLAY AGAIN" "WOW SHIT TEIR PLAYER"
i feel like how he went about the game overall and everything was not a pro-town manner. Simple as that. if you think what he did was pro-town then thats your belief. its very easy to agree to disagree about overall "is it town play or not"
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ok im signing out cus at this point im still tilted and just need something to relax.
im also tired and when i get tired my spelling becomes less and less manageble
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On January 08 2017 13:40 Vivax wrote:3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this: Which question? This question: 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now. My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me. For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act. To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is : + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit.
2) then explain to me why you interject yourself on the questioning cus you basicly abolished me of answering and the way you went about it has an implication that you were reading me as town.
i mean i feel like this is circular but let me rephrase:
the questions you were asking really only make sense FMPOV is that you were reading me as town. the fact you were not makes me question it.
As for the SW thing, i would like to see more quotes where you think she was backing off cus from what i have seen she never has nor did.
Add in the fact shes actually signing off for the night because shes on tilt tells me shes biting back on snapping your head off witch is of itself one of her town tells.
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As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff
i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons:
1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now
2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself.
3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you.
4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results.
4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her
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On January 08 2017 15:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote:
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now 2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her Or you could just write a case for her being town like you said you would if asked. Don't see why I'm the only one who's supposed to deliver here.
just did didnt i? also my previous post to you was talking about why she is town.
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On January 08 2017 19:26 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:40 Vivax wrote:3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this: How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? Which question? This question: But you have seen ikas meta yes? 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now. My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me. For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act. To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is : + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. I think your reasons for town-reading ika are bad and you should reread him if your main reason is him being emotional and invested because that's more personality-indicative for him from what I've seen recently. (applies to SW to an extent as well)As far as your SW tone read goes, I would like to know which posts you are comparing with the one you flagged up. Not convinced that it's scum-indicative as it stands due to that last line.
I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread
So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form?
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On January 09 2017 04:12 beentheredonethat wrote:Tell me why I would counter claim the Doctor as mafia when I can safely kill him during the night phase.
becasue you can get him lynched?
i was aboutt o go apeshit on the fact you were claiming cop next
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On January 09 2017 03:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Well guys. It's very simple. I didn't buy the claim of Doctor so I chose to counterclaim. If it was a fakeclaim => great, scum down! If not - Doc down. Awkward but that was supposed to happen N1 anyways.
So you can go all nuts like "noooes, btdt you scummer" and lynch into the Cop that I am - OR you can chill the fuck out and play this game calmly.
and basically here you self make it true the only difference is now we don't have docs input throughout the night phase and if your town, you basically wasted 2 days of our time out of sefl preservation
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On January 09 2017 03:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 02:35 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 02:23 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:I have something to add about B0ston. I don't know if this has been missed. On January 08 2017 07:12 B0stonSC wrote:
Well that seems rather sorted. is Instalynch a thing on this site? If you are town why would you want an instalynch when there's a CC ? I think that holds for a lot of other people too. And Grack was one of the most vocal people here. On January 08 2017 21:00 Calix wrote:
Although ME's large post was good tone-wise, his actions are questionable especially with his vote and wanting to "hold it until EOD" (before voting for Grack) which makes no sense for town to do (it literally makes you harder to read - a non-town trait). There is no reason to do that just for a vote at the end of a large wagon on a counterclaimed person and the fact that he leaves it until the very end of the day means that he doesn't have to explain why he preferred Grack > BTDT or give us much information re: votes/ people he wants dead.
I wanted to hold it until EOD because i was reading through the posts, and to me Grack didn't look scum. I couldn't come up with anything conclusive about anyone else. And since you can't abstain here, I just voted. As such my one vote wasn't going to make any difference except give away information at that point. Wait wtf. Why are you concerned about "giving away information" with your votes if you're town?! That's mafia rationale. I don't agree with your assessment. I would've readily abstained if I was given the choice. You focus on the part that suits your argument the most.
as much as i am weary of calix, i agree. what is the town benifit of not voting?
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On January 09 2017 02:41 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 19:26 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 13:40 Vivax wrote:3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this: How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? Which question? This question: But you have seen ikas meta yes? 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now. My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me. For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act. To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is : + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. I think your reasons for town-reading ika are bad and you should reread him if your main reason is him being emotional and invested because that's more personality-indicative for him from what I've seen recently. (applies to SW to an extent as well)As far as your SW tone read goes, I would like to know which posts you are comparing with the one you flagged up. Not convinced that it's scum-indicative as it stands due to that last line. I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form? What I mean there is you raging at SP last game as mafia. I also recall you two were quite aggressive with your posts in Fringe in one of the universes or something (but I only skim-read that game so correct me if I'm wrong). (also I disagree that SW was scum since she was uninformed neut in that game and didn't have info on who mafia were. afaik I have yet to see a mafia!SW so that's why I said it's less applicable to her)
fring we were more passive. i recall defending sino a bunch.
As for his read on me it looks like its less about my emotions and more about my investment. While i can get legit mad at some stuff as scum its in rare cases of "here is a misrepresentation of my RL situation/case on me"
none wich has happened so i find the angle he is taking to be a little more vaild if hes talking about the flip part cus if i was scum i would not care.
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On January 09 2017 04:20 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 02:41 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 01:54 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 19:26 Calix wrote:On January 08 2017 13:40 Vivax wrote:3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this: How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? Which question? This question: But you have seen ikas meta yes? 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now. My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me. For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act. To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is : + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. I think your reasons for town-reading ika are bad and you should reread him if your main reason is him being emotional and invested because that's more personality-indicative for him from what I've seen recently. (applies to SW to an extent as well)As far as your SW tone read goes, I would like to know which posts you are comparing with the one you flagged up. Not convinced that it's scum-indicative as it stands due to that last line. I question where you get the bolded for both me and SW. The last game you have played with us we were both scum and we both lacked emotions and investments in the thread So is there a game your refrencing here or where this that come form? What I mean there is you raging at SP last game as mafia. I also recall you two were quite aggressive with your posts in Fringe in one of the universes or something (but I only skim-read that game so correct me if I'm wrong). (also I disagree that SW was scum since she was uninformed neut in that game and didn't have info on who mafia were. afaik I have yet to see a mafia!SW so that's why I said it's less applicable to her) fringe we were more passive. i recall defending sino a bunch. As for his read on me it looks like its less about my emotions and more about my investment. While i can get legit mad at some stuff as scum its in rare cases of "here is a misrepresentation of my RL situation/case on me" none witch has happened so i find the angle he is taking to be a little more valid if hes talking about the flip part cus if i was scum i would not care.
sigh im still tired....
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On January 09 2017 04:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote:
btdt is scum flailing
If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.
I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.
If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.
Why have you been pressuring me for a read ? I don't understand it. I'll give you my read, when I have one. Instead go read the thread and look at people who claimed they had a read and haven't given one. You are actually behaving exactly like squishy when it comes to asking people for reads.
or you can explain why the fuck you have no reads after the day 1 shit.
everyone else has given them in one form or another so dont dodge the question at hand
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On January 09 2017 04:58 Kmatt wrote:
So if we're all in agreement that BTDT is long overdue for being mounted on a fence post, who do you think among potential scum is up for the following vote? B0ston and ME are the obvious choices but like Calix said I can't help but think at least one of the mafia is actively mucking the thread up. Granted this guy has his work cut out for him at the moment.
I want ME dead. At best hes scum. at worst hes a town who needs to learn to play forum mafia.
I am being blunt on this issue too: if you cant get reads or dont like being pressure or stuff like that, then dont be here. This is a game of convincing and pressuring and talking. If you cant handle some heat, then you dont need to be in the kitchen.
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