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beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
January 07 2017 21:39 GMT
#741
On January 08 2017 06:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:31 beentheredonethat wrote:
I will not be around at deadline as it is 01:00AM in the morning for me. Already saying this.

These guys will 100% lynch you tomorrow if you don't un-claim. And I think rightfully so.

No, I will be dead 100% in the night since I'm the doc and I will be shot.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 07 2017 21:39 GMT
#742
On January 08 2017 06:31 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:
On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
The huge case on - B0stonSC


+ Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +

On January 08 2017 04:50 beentheredonethat wrote:
The huge case on - B0stonSC


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517593-newbie-student-mafia-xxv?user=B0stonSC

I rest my case.



So, first:
On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts

This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire.

That's it. Off to a re-read it is:
On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on)


Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read.
But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say.

Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote:
On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so

##vote Onegu


There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are:

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim

On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim


Could you not



I could. I did. Dont know what you want here...

On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:
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On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim


Why?



Why not?

This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote.

And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves:
On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj?



Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass.
But apparently, the guys has caught up:

On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.

First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).

As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.

On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up.

The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he.

He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that.

His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that.

Promises another reread....

On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity.

Yeah now it's weekend where are you

On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time.

I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT
GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM

this guy is scum


I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite.

Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players



You are wrong here by the way. New scum want to look useful. Making a vote on someone is a easy way to do that. But his reason was I was suspicious and he just left it at that. He didnt give reasons just that I was suspicious. TBH I think he was told by his scummates he needed to say his vote was pressure because that is the only reason to make that vote. But it isnt what he said to start.


Yea that's true, his pressure thing sounded like a big cop out
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
January 07 2017 21:40 GMT
#743
On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.

Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.


I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something.

I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor.

As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town.


No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM.

Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah.

I'd rather clear shit up right now.


Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role.

In all bluntess: Your plan sucks
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
January 07 2017 21:40 GMT
#744
On January 08 2017 06:30 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:25 Vivax wrote:
So saying that darthfoley's read on ika looks forced equivals telling darthfoley to back off ika? What the hell is wrong with people's logic in this game?


Squishyyyyyyyy

Like I said let people argue. It is the only way for information to unravel. If someone wants to lynch them, then you can make a counter argument. Stopping a simple argument is suspicious in my eyes.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:41 GMT
#745
On January 08 2017 06:26 ika42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:25 darthfoley wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:22 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:21 darthfoley wrote:
I don't see the scum motivation for Grack to fake claim because the votes were tied at like 3

But I don't see the scum motivation for BTDT to cc as scum

But one has to be scum


No there are plenty of instances where VTs claim some PR for whatever reason


Why the hell would this ever happen. Also Grack saying to lynch BTDT after him doesn't make sense from VT POV because as VT he wouldn't know BTDT was lying


I want to see a game where it has happened here on this site



Ill find them for you. Happens alot more than you would think...
Try TL Mafia!!!
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 07 2017 21:41 GMT
#746
On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.

Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.


I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something.

I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor.

As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town.


No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM.

Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah.

I'd rather clear shit up right now.


Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role.

In all bluntess: Your plan sucks


And in all bluntness: leaving them is jsut a battle of WIFOM that will clog the entire thread day 2 onward untill they do get resloved
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
January 07 2017 21:42 GMT
#747
On January 08 2017 06:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:32 Grackaroni wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:31 beentheredonethat wrote:
I will not be around at deadline as it is 01:00AM in the morning for me. Already saying this.

These guys will 100% lynch you tomorrow if you don't un-claim. And I think rightfully so.

No, I will be dead 100% in the night since I'm the doc and I will be shot.

Brilliant.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
January 07 2017 21:43 GMT
#748
On January 08 2017 06:40 reps)squishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:30 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:25 Vivax wrote:
So saying that darthfoley's read on ika looks forced equivals telling darthfoley to back off ika? What the hell is wrong with people's logic in this game?


Squishyyyyyyyy

Like I said let people argue. It is the only way for information to unravel. If someone wants to lynch them, then you can make a counter argument. Stopping a simple argument is suspicious in my eyes.


You are dodging the main issue:

1) I can call someone scum for a read he makes. That doesn't stop his discussion with anyone else.
2) Calling his read on Ika forced doesn't equival defending Ika. If I told him "Your read on Ika is wrong, he's town" I'd be defending Ika.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:43 GMT
#749
Well Grack. You made a claim and were counter claimed day 1 that normally means you are scum. Plus you called me a shit poster.

##Unvote
##Vote Grackaroni
Try TL Mafia!!!
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 07 2017 21:43 GMT
#750
On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.

Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.


I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something.

I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor.

As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town.


No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM.

Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah.

I'd rather clear shit up right now.


Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role.

In all bluntess: Your plan sucks


Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time.

But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me.

If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do.
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 07 2017 21:45 GMT
#751
On January 08 2017 06:43 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.

Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.


I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something.

I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor.

As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town.


No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM.

Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah.

I'd rather clear shit up right now.


Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role.

In all bluntess: Your plan sucks


Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time.

But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me.

If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do.


Oh trust me, if both are VTs (or even one of them and other is doc) there will be an uproar coming from me post game.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
January 07 2017 21:45 GMT
#752
K I'll be using what I have at my disposal to disagree with you: My vote. It stays on Kelsier
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 07 2017 21:46 GMT
#753
On January 08 2017 06:45 ika42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:43 Calix wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.

Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.


I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something.

I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor.

As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town.


No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM.

Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah.

I'd rather clear shit up right now.


Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role.

In all bluntess: Your plan sucks


Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time.

But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me.

If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do.


Oh trust me, if both are VTs (or even one of them and other is doc) there will be an uproar coming from me post game.


You know it's bad when I actually agree with you, lol.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:47 GMT
#754
Then we can all welcome you to team liquid. The site were we dont lynch red checks from a confirmed cop in lylo.
Try TL Mafia!!!
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 07 2017 21:47 GMT
#755
On January 08 2017 06:39 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I refuse to believe Grack is mafia. But I didn't have high expectations in a newbie game. You are free to lynch the wrong guys how you please.



Not going to lie. That is bad claim timing from either alignment. He wasnt in the vote lead and I think votes were moving away from him...


Yea I made the same point. I don't get it from either alignment
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
January 07 2017 21:47 GMT
#756
On January 08 2017 06:47 Onegu wrote:
Then we can all welcome you to team liquid. The site were we dont lynch red checks from a confirmed cop in lylo.


You're a real sunshine you know that
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 07 2017 21:49 GMT
#757
On January 08 2017 06:47 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:39 Onegu wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I refuse to believe Grack is mafia. But I didn't have high expectations in a newbie game. You are free to lynch the wrong guys how you please.



Not going to lie. That is bad claim timing from either alignment. He wasnt in the vote lead and I think votes were moving away from him...


Yea I made the same point. I don't get it from either alignment


If it makes no sense from either alignment then it's usually from scum because there's no coherent town motivation.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
January 07 2017 21:50 GMT
#758
I don't think there was anything wrong with the timing of my claim. I believe I was in the vote lead with Silverwolf and ika both voting me. That probably wasn't going to end well for me.
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 07 2017 21:52 GMT
#759
On January 08 2017 06:46 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:45 ika42 wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:43 Calix wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.

Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.


I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something.

I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor.

As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town.


No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM.

Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah.

I'd rather clear shit up right now.


Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role.

In all bluntess: Your plan sucks


Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time.

But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me.

If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do.


Oh trust me, if both are VTs (or even one of them and other is doc) there will be an uproar coming from me post game.


You know it's bad when I actually agree with you, lol.


bad is the understatemnt. Silverwolf would be wanting somoens head on a platter if its the case
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
January 07 2017 21:52 GMT
#760
On January 08 2017 06:52 ika42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:46 Calix wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:45 ika42 wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:43 Calix wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:40 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.

Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.


I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something.

I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor.

As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town.


No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM.

Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah.

I'd rather clear shit up right now.


Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role.

In all bluntess: Your plan sucks


Obviously we wouldn't just focus on those two for two days, that's burning time.

But there is no way that both of them can be allowed to live and disrupt discussion. Optimal play is to lynch the guy who got cc'd. That much is clear to me.

If he's the real medic then we'll go from there and I'll try to keep the weird "woo VTs cc all the time" argument that you guys seem to be using in mind but as it stands, I cannot fathom how fucking bad a play that is for VT to do.


Oh trust me, if both are VTs (or even one of them and other is doc) there will be an uproar coming from me post game.


You know it's bad when I actually agree with you, lol.


bad is the understatemnt. Silverwolf would be wanting somoens head on a platter if its the case

I wouldn't want to be that guy.
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