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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 07 2017 21:26 GMT
#721
On January 08 2017 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:23 Calix wrote:
Why the fuck would a VT counter-claim Medic? That's extremely anti-town given that the Medic would likely die at night.

It happens very frequently.


Are you thinking this is the case here then?

I'm super confused as to how people's first reactions to a cc situation is "both of them are town"
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 07 2017 21:26 GMT
#722
On January 08 2017 06:26 ika42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:25 darthfoley wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:22 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:21 darthfoley wrote:
I don't see the scum motivation for Grack to fake claim because the votes were tied at like 3

But I don't see the scum motivation for BTDT to cc as scum

But one has to be scum


No there are plenty of instances where VTs claim some PR for whatever reason


Why the hell would this ever happen. Also Grack saying to lynch BTDT after him doesn't make sense from VT POV because as VT he wouldn't know BTDT was lying


I want to see a game where it has happened here on this site

Look up any game with Raynpelikoneet.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 07 2017 21:27 GMT
#723
On January 08 2017 06:26 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:23 Calix wrote:
Why the fuck would a VT counter-claim Medic? That's extremely anti-town given that the Medic would likely die at night.

It happens very frequently.


Are you thinking this is the case here then?

I'm super confused as to how people's first reactions to a cc situation is "both of them are town"

I believe so, yes.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
January 07 2017 21:29 GMT
#724
Ika why don't you take at face value that it simply happened? I've seen fake cop claims, fake vigilante claims from VTs. Do you really need us to take you by the hand and lead you to where it happened? Are we all mafia lying to you?
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 07 2017 21:29 GMT
#725
On January 08 2017 06:27 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:26 Calix wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:23 Calix wrote:
Why the fuck would a VT counter-claim Medic? That's extremely anti-town given that the Medic would likely die at night.

It happens very frequently.


Are you thinking this is the case here then?

I'm super confused as to how people's first reactions to a cc situation is "both of them are town"

I believe so, yes.


Are their mutiple games where this has happeend? has it happened with you and anohter player? what about BTDT?

One game does not make it sufficent to be invaild
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
January 07 2017 21:30 GMT
#726
On January 08 2017 06:25 Vivax wrote:
So saying that darthfoley's read on ika looks forced equivals telling darthfoley to back off ika? What the hell is wrong with people's logic in this game?


Squishyyyyyyyy
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 07 2017 21:31 GMT
#727
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.

Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:31 GMT
#728
On January 08 2017 05:09 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 05:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
The huge case on - B0stonSC


+ Show Spoiler [TL;DR] +

On January 08 2017 04:50 beentheredonethat wrote:
The huge case on - B0stonSC


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517593-newbie-student-mafia-xxv?user=B0stonSC

I rest my case.



So, first:
On January 06 2017 11:48 B0stonSC wrote:
Hello! Sorry, hadn't realized this has started. Let me read through everything, and then I'll post thoughts

This is on page 9. He has like 5 pages or so to go for. 10 minutes later, he posts as the very first thing an answer to the questionnaire.

That's it. Off to a re-read it is:
On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on)


Question is, why would you re-read the game at this stage? Maybe you missed a big scum-tell or a TMI call even? Was there a blue claim or something? But okay, if you have to re-read, you re-read.
But why tell the world about it? Why not just re-read? To have something to say.

Out of the re-read comes a Onegu vote:
On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so

##vote Onegu


There's no reasoning. On the contrary, it's even the first person to have claimed something. Note how Onegu has made 3(!) posts in total (if I got the timestamps correctly). Here they are:

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim

On January 06 2017 09:39 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim


Could you not



I could. I did. Dont know what you want here...

On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim


Why?



Why not?

This is not really AI for the Onegu I got to know but of course it's very easy for someone who's new to the site to interpret this as scummy. So easy vote.

And then, the only contribution to the thread before he leaves:
On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj?



Wow. Awesome! When he returns, he doublechecks for his vote which is NAI imho, so pass.
But apparently, the guys has caught up:

On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.

First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).

As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.

On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up.

The thing is, we HAVE weekend and there's literally nothing that improved in terms of activity so there's a lie. He's not even around right now, or is he.

He explains the Onegu vote with "I want to pressure him" which should be a good idea. But if you're absolutely not grounding your pressure on anything, how is it real pressure? It will work out against you and I assume that he'll know that.

His reads are off. Like, here's a "gut feeling", there's a "seems off" , there's a "seems odd", but he'll of course keep looking at them. That's so wishy washy. Absolutely not liking that.

Promises another reread....

On January 07 2017 07:37 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh, a vote on me! Well, my entrance was terrible, I do admit, but I did address why I did not follow up on Onegu (I just voted to see if he was here, apparently not). I also admit that I am not the most active right now, that's just due to real life. Just read my post here, but the TLDR is REAL LIFE limits my weekday activity.

Yeah now it's weekend where are you

On January 07 2017 07:43 B0stonSC wrote:
Oh I'm definately going to switch my vote, I'm just torn as to who. As soon as I can finish my read throughs, I'll post again about my reads. One more note, tommorrow I won't be online until about 2 hours before the deadline. I am sorry about this, but real life takes up a lot of my time.

I'M NOT VOTING ONEGU BECAUSE PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME FOR IT
GEEZ GUYS IM NOT DOING IT I CANT BE SCUM

this guy is scum


I'm still having trouble wrapping my mind around why people think his vote on Onegu is scummy. I've pointed it out before but I feel like New scum would be very worried about not getting attention on them, and an early vote does the opposite.

Also @ everyone scum reading him for the weekend comment, KSC did LITERALLY the same thing but many people including you, btdt, are town reading him. I don't get why the same action is providing two different conclusions for two different players



You are wrong here by the way. New scum want to look useful. Making a vote on someone is a easy way to do that. But his reason was I was suspicious and he just left it at that. He didnt give reasons just that I was suspicious. TBH I think he was told by his scummates he needed to say his vote was pressure because that is the only reason to make that vote. But it isnt what he said to start.
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beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
January 07 2017 21:31 GMT
#729
I will not be around at deadline as it is 01:00AM in the morning for me. Already saying this.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 07 2017 21:32 GMT
#730
On January 08 2017 06:31 beentheredonethat wrote:
I will not be around at deadline as it is 01:00AM in the morning for me. Already saying this.

These guys will 100% lynch you tomorrow if you don't un-claim. And I think rightfully so.
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 07 2017 21:33 GMT
#731
On January 08 2017 06:29 Vivax wrote:
Ika why don't you take at face value that it simply happened? I've seen fake cop claims, fake vigilante claims from VTs. Do you really need us to take you by the hand and lead you to where it happened? Are we all mafia lying to you?


Becasue the face vaule of both are town who are either VT/VT or Doc/VT is so bad that i would be more willing to accept it if it was 2 newbies doing it.

Both players are considered veterans so if they are doing what you think is happening (town/town) i question their skills as players becasue the single idea of doing so is so anti-town and so time wasting and annoying and pissoffy that i would bar them from playing any games of mine and most likely policy lynch them in any game i play with them.

Its not a protown move and is litarly greifing at best.

now im droping this subject untill one flips/post game becasue its going to get into the line of this

Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.


and im not going there. so if you would be kind to drop it for now we can save it for post game

now i got stuff to do and im not going to be here for EOD
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
January 07 2017 21:34 GMT
#732
On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.

Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.


I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something.

I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor.

As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town.
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 07 2017 21:34 GMT
#733
On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.

Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.


Your right, its more about those "scum slips"
Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 07 2017 21:35 GMT
#734
Alright every time I go back to start reading 4 pages get tacked on the end (I'm on post 621 as of this reply) so I'm just going to take a moment to answer DF from earlier.

My shtick with Grace's nonsense wasn't that he had a feel/gut read on Vivax being town (as you said I had posted the same earlier), but that he claimed to have built this substantial case, hid it from the thread, had that stupid argument, postee his "evidence" of the read and only at the very end backtracked to say it was and gut read as null along. That's what got my goat, running circles only to conclude he made 90% of this case up.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
January 07 2017 21:36 GMT
#735
On January 08 2017 06:33 ika42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:29 Vivax wrote:
Ika why don't you take at face value that it simply happened? I've seen fake cop claims, fake vigilante claims from VTs. Do you really need us to take you by the hand and lead you to where it happened? Are we all mafia lying to you?


Becasue the face vaule of both are town who are either VT/VT or Doc/VT is so bad that i would be more willing to accept it if it was 2 newbies doing it.

Both players are considered veterans so if they are doing what you think is happening (town/town) i question their skills as players becasue the single idea of doing so is so anti-town and so time wasting and annoying and pissoffy that i would bar them from playing any games of mine and most likely policy lynch them in any game i play with them.

Its not a protown move and is litarly greifing at best.

now im droping this subject untill one flips/post game becasue its going to get into the line of this

Show nested quote +
Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.


and im not going there. so if you would be kind to drop it for now we can save it for post game

now i got stuff to do and im not going to be here for EOD


I think you are overrating the veteran thingy. Calix has played not even a year here and is considered veteran. What I want to say is that veteran in this game only means that someone has played mroe than three newbie games, not necessarily that he's a mafia professional.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:36 GMT
#736
On January 08 2017 05:44 SilverWolf77 wrote:
I voted for Grackaroni in the vote thread-this is just an FYI post to let everyone know where my vote is. If you'd prefer I vote here as well going forward, I can do that. Not sure how everyone does this.



It is common for people to vote in both threads, not doing so will make people say you are ninja voting and trying to hide your intentions.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 07 2017 21:37 GMT
#737
On January 08 2017 06:35 Kmatt wrote:
Alright every time I go back to start reading 4 pages get tacked on the end (I'm on post 621 as of this reply) so I'm just going to take a moment to answer DF from earlier.

My shtick with Grace's nonsense wasn't that he had a feel/gut read on Vivax being town (as you said I had posted the same earlier), but that he claimed to have built this substantial case, hid it from the thread, had that stupid argument, postee his "evidence" of the read and only at the very end backtracked to say it was and gut read as null along. That's what got my goat, running circles only to conclude he made 90% of this case up.

Where did I claim that I had a substantial case for Vivax being town?
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 07 2017 21:37 GMT
#738
On January 08 2017 06:36 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:33 ika42 wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:29 Vivax wrote:
Ika why don't you take at face value that it simply happened? I've seen fake cop claims, fake vigilante claims from VTs. Do you really need us to take you by the hand and lead you to where it happened? Are we all mafia lying to you?


Becasue the face vaule of both are town who are either VT/VT or Doc/VT is so bad that i would be more willing to accept it if it was 2 newbies doing it.

Both players are considered veterans so if they are doing what you think is happening (town/town) i question their skills as players becasue the single idea of doing so is so anti-town and so time wasting and annoying and pissoffy that i would bar them from playing any games of mine and most likely policy lynch them in any game i play with them.

Its not a protown move and is litarly greifing at best.

now im droping this subject untill one flips/post game becasue its going to get into the line of this

Ban discussions:
Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.


and im not going there. so if you would be kind to drop it for now we can save it for post game

now i got stuff to do and im not going to be here for EOD


I think you are overrating the veteran thingy. Calix has played not even a year here and is considered veteran. What I want to say is that veteran in this game only means that someone has played mroe than three newbie games, not necessarily that he's a mafia professional.


maybe so. but doesnt change what i will say/how i feel about it
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 07 2017 21:38 GMT
#739
On January 08 2017 06:34 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote:
I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh.

Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site.


I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something.

I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor.

As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town.


No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM.

Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah.

I'd rather clear shit up right now.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 21:39 GMT
#740
On January 08 2017 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I refuse to believe Grack is mafia. But I didn't have high expectations in a newbie game. You are free to lynch the wrong guys how you please.



Not going to lie. That is bad claim timing from either alignment. He wasnt in the vote lead and I think votes were moving away from him...
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