Newbie Student Mafia XXV - Page 14

On January 07 2017 05:30 darthfoley wrote:


Because I have a experience with Grack, btdt and Onegu so their posts should orient the game in my mind better.

Why thank you!

On January 07 2017 04:57 Calix wrote:


Your reads don't seem consistent to me and I'd like for you to clarify a few points. Your responses to the different AFK players doesn't make any sense to me as they stand.

1. I am confused as to why ME is null but reps is a potential scum-lean if he keeps AFKing - what are the differences between the two of them in your eyes that means that ME does not get this scum-lean qualifier? Why is Boston "trying to look useful without contributing" but the other AFKers aren't?

2. Why do you scum-lean Grack...if you do? Since you said he's not a stand-out, which you also said about KSC/ DF/ myself, but you have a different read, this is important.

3. Leading on from 2, why is KSC a town-lean despite not having any stand-out posts yet DF/ myself are null (?) for basically the same reasons?

4. Do you consider activity to be alignment-indicative?

5. Not a question but your excessive use of the qualifier "too early to call them scum/ hard-scum" is unnecessary and looks like hedging.

6. Have you tried pushing your own reads? Why does someone have to 'say something silly' first before you do anything? Your lack of initiative shows, something that's apparent given that your main contribution is a static reads list (this isn't a scum tell, just that posting a reads list is the least-interactive way of playing the game).

Whoops, this was more than a "few" but tl;dr: your reads look like a patchwork of confusing/ contradictory ideas that you really need to expand on.

On January 07 2017 05:32 Calix wrote:


I see, I see.

What did you get out of kmatt's post in terms of how you read him? There's definitely a lot to discuss there :D

On January 07 2017 05:08 darthfoley wrote:
I question how closely you've read my posts if you think I don't have any reads. I'm townleaning SW and I like Calix's recent posts. I need more time to figure out Vivax and ika, but they're at least moving the game forward. I know his filter is small, but I feel like a new person like B0ston would be less likely to throw out a first vote on Onegu if he were scum.

On January 07 2017 05:42 Kmatt wrote:


I don't consider "I like/dislike X post" to be a read if it's not followed by "...and therefore [name] is [town/scum]". You can preface it too if you want; I'm not picky.

On January 07 2017 02:46 darthfoley wrote:


Of the three of you, I liked SW's responses the best. They seem natural and attentive without being scared of making conclusions. I am town reading her

I understand your initial questioning, but I don't like how you play semantics over the B0ston thing. Your first sentence is clearly more than a read imo



It's understandable why people think you're answering for him, indirectly with the "I guess" qualifier. So I don't like that you deflected and then kind of pulled an "OMGUS, the questions I got weren't up to my liking!"

On January 07 2017 05:39 Kmatt wrote:



To preface, the majority of these are gut reads. I probably should have said that first. With how little context I applied to those posts I thought that was assumed.

1) ME came back and at least acknowledged the situation at hand. Still not town but he's at least in the thread, which is more than can be said for a few people. What stuck out with Boston is dropping his vote right away and insisting Grack is scum. If he used that as pressure or a segway into questioning Grack's posts I could get but as soon as he makes that call it's radio silence. Then a little shitpost to remind us how despite not doing anything practical he's still watching the thread.

2) I don't personally scumread Grack, but I can see why Kelsier does. However, were it me in his position (that is to say, scumreading Grack for the same reasons) it wouldn't be a strong enough read to conclude anything. I don't, however, expect Kelsier to play out the game as I would, and I'm aware that people have different D1 strategies, so I'm willing to leave it at that.

3) KSC is more of a gut read. There aren't any major lines of questioning or conclusion I can point to to say "this is why he's town" but the acceptable amount of activity agrees with my gut enough to work with. Specifically that he has a scumread and isn't afraid to show it. You and DF both respond to people's posts, but you never seem to come out with anything other than that you "like" or "dislike" a specific post. I can understand reserving judgement on some people but you can't stay neutral on everyone in the game for much longer.

4) In this case, yes I do.

5) Deal w/ it. One scumread is good enough for me D1, since I only have one vote to use. No point making excess calls.

6) I could push my own reads but between my scumreads being mainly afk and the town quieting down I don't have much to ask. It's not that I won't act unless someone "says something silly", but from nearly every game I've played/watched, the D1 lynch comes down to someone saying something dumb and getting ML'd for it. So far I've either been the one who shoots themselves in the foot or points out the bloody foot. Crazy as it may sound I'm going to avoid actively creating or becoming a mislynch if I can help it.

Yeah my initiative has been weak but like I said above I've not a lot to ask right now. I did try to fish some reads out of DF which kind of worked.

On January 07 2017 05:46 darthfoley wrote:




That was before your question

On January 07 2017 05:50 Calix wrote:
That depends on the player re: judging whether reads are gut calls or not.

1. So active-lurking? I kinda like the way you worded your Boston read with the "if he used that as pressure" part because it shows you're thinking about scenarios in some level of depth.

2. Why did you bring in KSC's opinion of Grack in your read? This would make sense if you were town-reading KSC a lot and going "well I think he's being genuine with his Grack read" or something but you're gut-reading KSC as town so that's not applicable.

3. To clarify, when I say I like/ dislike something, that's synonymous with a town/ scum lean.

4. Noted.

5. I wasn't aware that you were the type to just focus on one scum-read at a time. I remember your last game where you were hunting for three players in a 2-mafia save - what changed with regards to your mentality?

6. You don't have to ask stuff unless you want to clarify matters, just state your reads and let the people respond to them. Much better approach than grilling every single player.

On January 07 2017 05:51 Kmatt wrote:


Okay fair, I did miss the magic word there.

On January 07 2017 05:56 Kmatt wrote:


I have to do something but to answer 5: that was a combination of misreading the OP and having 3 potential scum at the time. I'm not bound to force more reads than I see. Right now I only see one and various degrees of ambiguity. If I had multiple deliberate scumreads I would announce it as well as whichever one is a higher priority.

On January 07 2017 05:39 Kmatt wrote:



To preface, the majority of these are gut reads. I probably should have said that first. With how little context I applied to those posts I thought that was assumed.

1) ME came back and at least acknowledged the situation at hand. Still not town but he's at least in the thread, which is more than can be said for a few people. What stuck out with Boston is dropping his vote right away and insisting Grack is scum. If he used that as pressure or a segway into questioning Grack's posts I could get but as soon as he makes that call it's radio silence. Then a little shitpost to remind us how despite not doing anything practical he's still watching the thread.

2) I don't personally scumread Grack, but I can see why Kelsier does. However, were it me in his position (that is to say, scumreading Grack for the same reasons) it wouldn't be a strong enough read to conclude anything. I don't, however, expect Kelsier to play out the game as I would, and I'm aware that people have different D1 strategies, so I'm willing to leave it at that.

3) KSC is more of a gut read. There aren't any major lines of questioning or conclusion I can point to to say "this is why he's town" but the acceptable amount of activity agrees with my gut enough to work with. Specifically that he has a scumread and isn't afraid to show it. You and DF both respond to people's posts, but you never seem to come out with anything other than that you "like" or "dislike" a specific post. I can understand reserving judgement on some people but you can't stay neutral on everyone in the game for much longer.

4) In this case, yes I do.

5) Deal w/ it. One scumread is good enough for me D1, since I only have one vote to use. No point making excess calls.

6) I could push my own reads but between my scumreads being mainly afk and the town quieting down I don't have much to ask. It's not that I won't act unless someone "says something silly", but from nearly every game I've played/watched, the D1 lynch comes down to someone saying something dumb and getting ML'd for it. So far I've either been the one who shoots themselves in the foot or points out the bloody foot. Crazy as it may sound I'm going to avoid actively creating or becoming a mislynch if I can help it.

Yeah my initiative has been weak but like I said above I've not a lot to ask right now. I did try to fish some reads out of DF which kind of worked.

On January 07 2017 06:03 darthfoley wrote:


I read through B0ston's filter and it makes no mention of Grack. Typo or have I missed something obvious?

On January 06 2017 22:25 ika42 wrote:


This post gets my vote.

On January 07 2017 04:56 reps)squishy wrote:


You don't see how he can be town? I see you did vote for him. Can you elaborate what makes you feel this way for a more oblivious individual such as myself.

On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:


No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense.

I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already.

Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject.

Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit.

On January 07 2017 01:12 SilverWolf77 wrote:
No, it isn't that I think darthfoley's suspicion of ika is worth it.

It's more that I saw you defending two people who you don't have a townread on. By saying B0stonSC just does things that way is a defense of him before he can even answer the question directed at him. You asking darth if he has ika's meta looked like a defense of ika.

Also, In response to my suspicion, you deflected or tried to discredit rather than just explaining yourself further.

That said, giving your own opinion of B0stonSC's opening or your own opinion of darth's read on ika as fake is totally valid and not scummy to me at all.

On January 07 2017 06:46 B0stonSC wrote:
I thought I voted for Onegu, is the page 10 vote count wrong or did I or did I format it wrong?