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On January 07 2017 02:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 02:33 darthfoley wrote:
I'd be interested to see Kelsier's take on this Vivax/ika/SW thing when he gets a chance.
And more from Grack And yours?
Of the three of you, I liked SW's responses the best. They seem natural and attentive without being scared of making conclusions. I am town reading her
I understand your initial questioning, but I don't like how you play semantics over the B0ston thing. Your first sentence is clearly more than a read imo
On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info.
It's understandable why people think you're answering for him, indirectly with the "I guess" qualifier. So I don't like that you deflected and then kind of pulled an "OMGUS, the questions I got weren't up to my liking!"
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I really want to hear more from the other vets, or noobs idc because the last few games I have played we've just mislynched town D1 for wrong reasons by focusing on one topic --> one wagon. It feels kind of off that only 4-5 people are participating in this discussion in any way right now
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Kmatt answered the questionnaire and went MIA. I'll be interested to see how he plays the rest of D1
Btdt hasn't even posted yet lol
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I actually had read up about an hour ago but have been eating lunch and what not. I'll be back with a wall of text don't you worry.
But yeah, between Squishy/Michael/Boston/Onegu there's a good number of afk this game. And of course Btdt. He had to have confirmed the game start message from Kita so he can't be too far off.
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On January 07 2017 02:46 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 02:36 Vivax wrote:On January 07 2017 02:33 darthfoley wrote:
I'd be interested to see Kelsier's take on this Vivax/ika/SW thing when he gets a chance.
And more from Grack And yours? Of the three of you, I liked SW's responses the best. They seem natural and attentive without being scared of making conclusions. I am town reading her I understand your initial questioning, but I don't like how you play semantics over the B0ston thing. Your first sentence is clearly more than a read imo Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on) On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so
##vote Onegu
This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote? I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot. There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info. It's understandable why people think you're answering for him, indirectly with the "I guess" qualifier. So I don't like that you deflected and then kind of pulled an "OMGUS, the questions I got weren't up to my liking!"
Yea I checked his answers to the questionnaire and figured he was a newbie. And as newbie one tends to strictly pay attention to how useful or compliant a person looks, so only obvious he'd go after 1gu. That's where my guess comes from.
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On January 07 2017 03:02 Kmatt wrote:
I actually had read up about an hour ago but have been eating lunch and what not. I'll be back with a wall of text don't you worry.
But yeah, between Squishy/Michael/Boston/Onegu there's a good number of afk this game. And of course Btdt. He had to have confirmed the game start message from Kita so he can't be too far off.
You won't be read just based upon the amount of words you cram into a single post but if you like writing huge texts I won't stop you.
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Just make sure it's well formatted, for the love of god
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On January 07 2017 03:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 03:02 Kmatt wrote:
I actually had read up about an hour ago but have been eating lunch and what not. I'll be back with a wall of text don't you worry.
But yeah, between Squishy/Michael/Boston/Onegu there's a good number of afk this game. And of course Btdt. He had to have confirmed the game start message from Kita so he can't be too far off. You won't be read just based upon the amount of words you cram into a single post but if you like writing huge texts I won't stop you.
It's how I roll. Still stuck on how to interpret Silverwolf and Vivax.
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On January 07 2017 03:02 Kmatt wrote:
I actually had read up about an hour ago but have been eating lunch and what not. I'll be back with a wall of text don't you worry.
But yeah, between Squishy/Michael/Boston/Onegu there's a good number of afk this game. And of course Btdt. He had to have confirmed the game start message from Kita so he can't be too far off.
I am still trying to read everything that's been posted. Its slightly confusing to get a read.
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You should have seen the 100 pages D1s back in the day then
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Yea there have been some pretty insane activity games. NU + Calix was intense
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reps)squishy
Made one relevant post and bailed. It's too early to call anyone hard scum on that, but if he doesn't show up soon I'll consider him on the radar.
MichaelEhrmantraut
Well he's not dead but not very alive either. I took forever making this myself so I can't be too rustled over the afk. Just another one passing by, null for now.
ika42
While the questionnaire is still NAI to me, the back and forth with Vivax looked good to me. An easy trap for mafia to fall into is to take any townread they can get. I'll go town here geso
Silverwolf77
I can see why you don't like Vivax's posts, but I don't agree with you enough to vote on him as is. I do like the way you prodded here. Like Vivax said earlier, this looks more like two town bumping into each other.
B0stonSC
I don't like it. I wouldn't be half as bothered if he hadn't come back in to post this
On January 06 2017 15:32 B0stonSC wrote:
The hell is a zj?
And then leave again doing nothing. The hasty vote looks to me like he's trying to appear useful without having done anything. If I had to commit to a vote now this guy is the perfect balance of afk and dubious, if not scummy.
beentheredonethat
pls
Grackaroni
Still waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently.
If you could weigh in on the situation at hand I'd feel better. Leaning scum but not enough to vote while Boston is here.
KelsierSC
Town enough for me. No one post stands out enough but he hasn't caught my ire. Except that part about doubting me hOW daRe You
Onegu
AFK. Not much more to say here, with the vote being so far off. Too early to call scum.
darthfoley
His posts are decent, but I'd like a read or two this far in. He's clearly kept up with the thread, pointed out posts he did and didn't like, but no conclusions. If you had to place your vote in the next 5 minutes, who would it be? Or who would you call against voting on?
Calix
Nothing groundbreaking either but with how slow the game is I can't fault it too hard. Basically the same as Foley.
Vivax
I don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town.
So to conclude... not a lot. We had one little argument but nothing major came of it. Plenty of time before the vote so hopefully someone says something silly and gets a wagon going [small][small][small][small]other than me[small][small][small][small].
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Oh damn it I forgot my /s JUST
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On January 06 2017 23:37 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:33 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 23:32 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 23:10 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:
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Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:
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Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Your question already implies that I guessed your alignment, which is wrong, so it can't be answered. On January 06 2017 23:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Vivax-Why are you defending ika so early in the game? Suspecting someone doesn't mean I'm defending his scumreads, which you are assuming I do. When you are interjecting yourself into a person's suspicion of someone else, without letting him scumhunt ika, then that means you think ika is town. Otherwise, you would want ika to respond first to get a read on him. I get going after someone for having what you think is a bad read on someone else, but this is spending too much time defending a person who you have not even given an opinion on yet but are acting like he's town. I would like your read on ika. Is he town or not and why? So right now you're interjecting in my suspicion on foley and hence townreading him? You should have realized by now that it's not how this is going to work. And you should realize by now that your constant deflection and this kind of attitude doesn't work with me at all. I don't see how you can be town so I'm gonna go ahead and place my vote here.
You don't see how he can be town? I see you did vote for him. Can you elaborate what makes you feel this way for a more oblivious individual such as myself.
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On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:reps)squishyMade one relevant post and bailed. It's too early to call anyone hard scum on that, but if he doesn't show up soon I'll consider him on the radar. MichaelEhrmantrautWell he's not dead but not very alive either. I took forever making this myself so I can't be too rustled over the afk. Just another one passing by, null for now. ika42While the questionnaire is still NAI to me, the back and forth with Vivax looked good to me. An easy trap for mafia to fall into is to take any townread they can get. I'll go town here gesoSilverwolf77I can see why you don't like Vivax's posts, but I don't agree with you enough to vote on him as is. I do like the way you prodded here. Like Vivax said earlier, this looks more like two town bumping into each other. B0stonSCI don't like it. I wouldn't be half as bothered if he hadn't come back in to post this And then leave again doing nothing. The hasty vote looks to me like he's trying to appear useful without having done anything. If I had to commit to a vote now this guy is the perfect balance of afk and dubious, if not scummy. beentheredonethatpls GrackaroniStill waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently. If you could weigh in on the situation at hand I'd feel better. Leaning scum but not enough to vote while Boston is here. KelsierSCTown enough for me. No one post stands out enough but he hasn't caught my ire. Except that part about doubting me hOW daRe You OneguAFK. Not much more to say here, with the vote being so far off. Too early to call scum. darthfoleyHis posts are decent, but I'd like a read or two this far in. He's clearly kept up with the thread, pointed out posts he did and didn't like, but no conclusions. If you had to place your vote in the next 5 minutes, who would it be? Or who would you call against voting on? CalixNothing groundbreaking either but with how slow the game is I can't fault it too hard. Basically the same as Foley. VivaxI don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town. So to conclude... not a lot. We had one little argument but nothing major came of it. Plenty of time before the vote so hopefully someone says something silly and gets a wagon going [small][small][small][small]other than me[small][small][small][small].
Your reads don't seem consistent to me and I'd like for you to clarify a few points. Your responses to the different AFK players doesn't make any sense to me as they stand.
1. I am confused as to why ME is null but reps is a potential scum-lean if he keeps AFKing - what are the differences between the two of them in your eyes that means that ME does not get this scum-lean qualifier? Why is Boston "trying to look useful without contributing" but the other AFKers aren't?
2. Why do you scum-lean Grack...if you do? Since you said he's not a stand-out, which you also said about KSC/ DF/ myself, but you have a different read, this is important.
3. Leading on from 2, why is KSC a town-lean despite not having any stand-out posts yet DF/ myself are null (?) for basically the same reasons?
4. Do you consider activity to be alignment-indicative?
5. Not a question but your excessive use of the qualifier "too early to call them scum/ hard-scum" is unnecessary and looks like hedging.
6. Have you tried pushing your own reads? Why does someone have to 'say something silly' first before you do anything? Your lack of initiative shows, something that's apparent given that your main contribution is a static reads list (this isn't a scum tell, just that posting a reads list is the least-interactive way of playing the game).
Whoops, this was more than a "few" but tl;dr: your reads look like a patchwork of confusing/ contradictory ideas that you really need to expand on.
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On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:reps)squishyMade one relevant post and bailed. It's too early to call anyone hard scum on that, but if he doesn't show up soon I'll consider him on the radar. MichaelEhrmantrautWell he's not dead but not very alive either. I took forever making this myself so I can't be too rustled over the afk. Just another one passing by, null for now. ika42While the questionnaire is still NAI to me, the back and forth with Vivax looked good to me. An easy trap for mafia to fall into is to take any townread they can get. I'll go town here gesoSilverwolf77I can see why you don't like Vivax's posts, but I don't agree with you enough to vote on him as is. I do like the way you prodded here. Like Vivax said earlier, this looks more like two town bumping into each other. B0stonSCI don't like it. I wouldn't be half as bothered if he hadn't come back in to post this And then leave again doing nothing. The hasty vote looks to me like he's trying to appear useful without having done anything. If I had to commit to a vote now this guy is the perfect balance of afk and dubious, if not scummy. beentheredonethatpls GrackaroniStill waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently. If you could weigh in on the situation at hand I'd feel better. Leaning scum but not enough to vote while Boston is here. KelsierSCTown enough for me. No one post stands out enough but he hasn't caught my ire. Except that part about doubting me hOW daRe You OneguAFK. Not much more to say here, with the vote being so far off. Too early to call scum. darthfoleyHis posts are decent, but I'd like a read or two this far in. He's clearly kept up with the thread, pointed out posts he did and didn't like, but no conclusions. If you had to place your vote in the next 5 minutes, who would it be? Or who would you call against voting on? CalixNothing groundbreaking either but with how slow the game is I can't fault it too hard. Basically the same as Foley. VivaxI don't like any of his posts individually but is among the only people being active and pushing. As I said above, town arguing with town. So to conclude... not a lot. We had one little argument but nothing major came of it. Plenty of time before the vote so hopefully someone says something silly and gets a wagon going [small][small][small][small]other than me[small][small][small][small].
I question how closely you've read my posts if you think I don't have any reads. I'm townleaning SW and I like Calix's recent posts. I need more time to figure out Vivax and ika, but they're at least moving the game forward. I know his filter is small, but I feel like a new person like B0ston would be less likely to throw out a first vote on Onegu if he were scum.
It's kind of pointless to talk about where I would place my vote in the next 5 minutes considering we have ~28 hours left and like 3 vets haven't really interacted with the game much (onegu, grack, btdt). That's excluding the newbies who haven't posted much either.
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Calix do you have experience with Kelsier and/or do you have a read on him currently?
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On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:
Grackaroni
Still waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently.
Kelsier's logic was based on Ika's questionnaire people who responded early would be town. Then I think it was SW said maybe to opposite mafia would want to respond quickly. So Kelsier "perfectly fused the two theories to make the 4th person who respond mafia. Grack just unfortunately posted 4th which Kelsier humorously then voted for him. So do you also believe in the post too early or too late you are possible scum so the in between is where it is at? If you don't believe Kelsier's hypothesis then this statement "I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him." is not all that true
I am not out to lynch Kelsier, just his lynch vote is not based on any logic or read I would find compelling.
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On January 07 2017 05:11 darthfoley wrote:
Calix do you have experience with Kelsier and/or do you have a read on him currently?
No and not really aside from what I pointed out earlier re: town reads which we've discussed. Waiting to see what he does next.
While I'm here, why do you differentiate between noobs and vets in your posts? That's popping up a fair bit in your posts.
Your point on Boston isn't terrible.
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On January 07 2017 05:17 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 05:11 darthfoley wrote:
Calix do you have experience with Kelsier and/or do you have a read on him currently? No and not really aside from what I pointed out earlier re: town reads which we've discussed. Waiting to see what he does next. While I'm here, why do you differentiate between noobs and vets in your posts? That's popping up a fair bit in your posts. Your point on Boston isn't terrible.
Because I have a experience with Grack, btdt and Onegu so their posts should orient the game in my mind better.
Why thank you!
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