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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 06 2017 23:37 GMT
#301
Ok Im a reading now
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
January 06 2017 23:38 GMT
#302
On January 07 2017 08:11 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2017 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
I think Vivax's posts have been really townie.

Of the active players I think that DF is the most likely one to be scum.

Parts of his opening seem awkward to me like he is trying too hard.
On January 06 2017 10:04 darthfoley wrote:
Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods!

On January 06 2017 10:19 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:02 Calix wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:01 KelsierSC wrote:
[quote]

he was one of the first questionnaire responses though , want to look at all the late answers who thought they had best fill one out so they didnt stick out.


It was the first one that stuck out to me as awkward/ forced.

However I'm interested in your take on 'blendy' answers.


well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea.

probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving.


Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary.

I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric.

What "good" reads do you have?


yo just calm down alright


My emotional state is irrelevant to the question.

You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them?


so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate




So what does that mean in terms of practicality?

Name, give the me wretched name!

Obligatory
+ Show Spoiler +


I also think that Vivax may have a point that he could have been trying to push out a read on ika to impress since he said that he didn't like ika making trolly posts and then proceeded to make a few of his own.
On January 06 2017 15:11 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:52 Calix wrote:
I am too tired to bang my head against the wall since it's 2am.

I won't be very active until late afternoon/ evening or so but that doesn't matter. My low-activity play is ten times better than most people's normal play.

Goodnight!


Great excuse for OMGUS (omg u suck) later on if you're scum!

On January 06 2017 15:13 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:04 darthfoley wrote:
Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods!

This isn't a bastard game silly. You should have offered favors in the pregame like I did.


Favors, you say?
$5 for an hj
$10 for a bj
$15 for a zj



My response about the OMGUS Calix post wasn't trolling or supposed to be humorous. I don't like when people preface low activity early on especially by saying "I'm better than you even if I barely play."



Ah I See.

Then watch as Calix insults 5 people with one single backhanded compliment.
On January 07 2017 07:51 Calix wrote:
reps (I remember thinking that he's one of the least-worst newbs)

Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 06 2017 23:39 GMT
#303
On January 06 2017 09:42 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 09:40 Onegu wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:26 SilverWolf77 wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim


Why?



Why not?


Because it's anti-town. But maybe you guys do things different here. Who knows?



Why is it anti town?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 06 2017 23:48 GMT
#304
On January 07 2017 08:36 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote:
@Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol


I don't know what you're referring to here since I explicitly said that I didn't care about AFKing on its own.

Who exactly do you want lynched if not Boston or what have you?


Well I think ME has done everything you're accusing B0ston of, but worse. I like reps' questions but I dont remember him having any concrete reads yet, which concerns me.

I'm also waiting for Onegu/Kelsier/btdt to catch up and/post anything. I don't know why people are town reading Kelsier, he's a scum read for me at the moment
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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 06 2017 23:53 GMT
#305
On January 07 2017 08:48 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2017 08:36 Calix wrote:
On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote:
@Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol


I don't know what you're referring to here since I explicitly said that I didn't care about AFKing on its own.

Who exactly do you want lynched if not Boston or what have you?


Well I think ME has done everything you're accusing B0ston of, but worse. I like reps' questions but I dont remember him having any concrete reads yet, which concerns me.

I'm also waiting for Onegu/Kelsier/btdt to catch up and/post anything. I don't know why people are town reading Kelsier, he's a scum read for me at the moment


Yeah and I have a scum-lean on ME although I don't get how he can do worse when he just exists. Actually read my posts so I don't have to repeat myself. I'm tired.

Oh? For what reason?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 00:07 GMT
#306
On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so

##vote Onegu




Wow really. That makes me suspicious because I made 2 posts with no content then afk for 24 hours. Why is that scummy? If you say onegu needs pressure to do something then yeah I agree with you. But no you say I am suspicious... There is a difference.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 00:08 GMT
#307
On January 06 2017 15:11 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 10:52 Calix wrote:
I am too tired to bang my head against the wall since it's 2am.

I won't be very active until late afternoon/ evening or so but that doesn't matter. My low-activity play is ten times better than most people's normal play.

Goodnight!


Great excuse for OMGUS (omg u suck) later on if you're scum!



that last letter doesnt mean suck... It means scum...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 00:11 GMT
#308
On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:
Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little?

On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.

DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far?


I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off


This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand.

Fend yourself, Foley.


Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted.

His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.



Why not 1gu then?



Really vivax. As the person who has played the most with me you are the one that needs to call me out for being trolly when you know that it doesnt even matter toward my alignment?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 07 2017 00:13 GMT
#309
On January 07 2017 09:08 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 15:11 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:52 Calix wrote:
I am too tired to bang my head against the wall since it's 2am.

I won't be very active until late afternoon/ evening or so but that doesn't matter. My low-activity play is ten times better than most people's normal play.

Goodnight!


Great excuse for OMGUS (omg u suck) later on if you're scum!



that last letter doesnt mean suck... It means scum...


Wait actually? My life is a lie
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 00:19 GMT
#310
On January 07 2017 07:32 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay, so after catching up, I have a few things to respond on.

First, as to why I am not more active, is that I have not a whole lot of time to play mafia during the week, so what I am doing is catching up, responding to everything I feel needs a response, giving my reads, then getting back off. You may flame me for this, but unless it's the weekend this will be how I play. I do have a life you know, but mafia is a lot of fun (which is why I wanted to play it).

As to why I voted Onegu (asked three times, by my count), he has made a claim (with the first post of the game) and then posted a non informative post. That's all he has done. I wanted to see what happens if he gets a bit of pressure on him, but after this amount of time I feel that he is just inactive.

On to my reads, Kmatt feels very much a scummy player to me becuase he is posting quite a bit now, but it doesn't feel like he is accomplishing anything. DarthFoley seems waaaay too defensive, so that seems odd, but I'll keep looking at him so I can get a more solid read. Vivax and MichaelEhrmantraut seem a bit off. Nothing suspicious, but just a bit not quite correct to me. This is more of a gut read than anything else, so I'll be doing a reread (probably today) for just them to see what's up.



But when you made the vote you didnt say pressure. You said suspicious. There is a big difference in that. One is trying to get a read on someone and the other is making a read on someone. You made a read. But there wasnt enough info for you to make a read. So when you claim you are making a read on someone who doesnt have enough info to make a read you that means you are making up a read to look active. Town do not do this.

##Vote BostonSC
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 00:21 GMT
#311
On January 07 2017 09:13 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2017 09:08 Onegu wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:11 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:52 Calix wrote:
I am too tired to bang my head against the wall since it's 2am.

I won't be very active until late afternoon/ evening or so but that doesn't matter. My low-activity play is ten times better than most people's normal play.

Goodnight!


Great excuse for OMGUS (omg u suck) later on if you're scum!



that last letter doesnt mean suck... It means scum...


Wait actually? My life is a lie



Yeah...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 00:24 GMT
#312
On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote:
@Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol



You wont get reasons why I go afk. I used to provide them but then had a discussion over it with someone that it can cause people to make reads on me based on my reasons. So I have stopped posting them for the most part. Unless I know in a few days I have a doctors appointment and wont be around I normally tell people about it before hand but if something comes up and I am gone I just comeback and dont say anything anymore.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 00:25 GMT
#313
On January 07 2017 08:35 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2017 08:26 darthfoley wrote:
On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote:
Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there.

If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm.

##vote B0stonSC


I thought you agreed with my point that B0ston's entrance, albeit awkward, was more likely to come from town!newb than scum!newb?

I don't understand why this post is super uber aggressive when nothing really had changed.

I know you said you're waiting on his reads but I disagree with your conclusion that he's most likely scum out of the low activity posters. Why not make the same argument against Onegu, for example?


I did but that reasoning isn't strong enough to excuse the rest of my case.

I read Boston's filter just before making that post and realised how awful it is.

Onegu has not done anything AI at all. Claiming a role at the start of the game means nothing.



You are wrong. It means I am VT.
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ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 07 2017 00:26 GMT
#314
On January 06 2017 23:26 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 21:29 Vivax wrote:
On January 06 2017 19:56 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 06 2017 12:51 B0stonSC wrote:
About to go do a re read through, because Onegu hasn't posted anything of note since the game started (by of note, I mean anything I took note on)



On January 06 2017 13:11 B0stonSC wrote:
yeah Onegu seems suspicious, so

##vote Onegu



This is true of many people so why is onegu the vote?



I guessed that's just his way of doing things, ie judging people by perceived usefulness/compliance. And 1gu really looks like he's doing the least, which sadly isn't alignment indicative. BTDT still has to post but when he does it's usually a lot.

There's a townie simplicity to Bostons posts, but that's just a first impression, and of course it's just an early read. Still need a grasp of how much he is actually following the game given he claims to have read and reread it and even took notes. Just voting 1gu doesn't give much info.


I don't like this post.

Why are you answering for Boston? It's a simple question that he can answer by himself. And why explain your answer in enough depth that you even say why Boston might not have picked BTDT? (assuming that's why you brought up BTDT anyway)

I also feel that your read on Boston does the over-explaining thing as well because you bring up all the minor things he has done so far.


its called garcia. a common tactic by scum that they use to make themselfs look like they are doing something
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 07 2017 00:27 GMT
#315
So Vivax and Boston look bad to me.

I will never vote silver77 ever in this game. She is almost as green as I am and I am a fucking leprechaun on saint patricks day

Rest of you are all meh
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ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 07 2017 00:28 GMT
#316
On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him.


Why do you have no read on me and why are you not trying to fix that? and while you dont need one, it makes little sense to continue the questioning of someone you have at null.
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 07 2017 00:33 GMT
#317
On January 07 2017 00:31 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:
On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him.


No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense.

I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already.

Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject.

Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit.


Ika has to answer the suspicion if you, or anyone else for that matter, make him feel like he has to.

In your opinion I made him feel like he didn't have to cause I defended him by suspecting darthfoley. Well, I can and will voice my suspicion when I think I found something worthwhile and darthfoley can take his time to reply whenever he wants, just as ika can answer to darthfoley whenever he wants. So I don't think I hindered the scumhunting of someone in any way by doing my own.

If you really think that darthfoley's line of thought was so worth it and cause of me, a hypothetical mafia ika got off the hook, you can still always ask ika about it yourself. But you rather saw it as important to reprimand me/call me mafia, not sure what it is yet.


Heres the thing though, questioning DF and how you go about it is basically abolishing me of what is being asked ever because you are in essence answering for me which gives the implication that you know me or think i am town.

So again, want to explain why a town person would want to do such thing when they have no read on the other person? I have several reason on why but i want to hear yours
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 07 2017 00:35 GMT
#318
On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote:
So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions.


Its not really loaded when the way you are going about it has the implication that I am town to begin with. As i am catching up i don't really see a reason on why I am still null nor why you have not really talked to me about anything
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 07 2017 00:36 GMT
#319
On January 07 2017 01:57 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:
On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:
On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote:
So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions.


Your point?


If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers


If you think playing 20 questions sucks then I'll let you do something else.

I'd rather take a nap or something than have a lengthy discussion tbh lol.


Calix why are you backing down? I find it odd your not being aggressive on this front and instead dropping this
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 07 2017 00:38 GMT
#320
On January 07 2017 09:36 ika42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2017 01:57 Calix wrote:
On January 07 2017 01:54 Vivax wrote:
On January 07 2017 01:52 Calix wrote:
On January 07 2017 01:48 Vivax wrote:
So far you and Ika both asked such loaded questions that already imply I did something I did not. Obviously you're not going to get a nice answer to "Do you always beat your wife" type of questions.


Your point?


If you ask shitty questions you get shitty answers


If you think playing 20 questions sucks then I'll let you do something else.

I'd rather take a nap or something than have a lengthy discussion tbh lol.


Calix why are you backing down? I find it odd your not being aggressive on this front and instead dropping this


Also a good point
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