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Is there still room to /join?
EDIT: I mean /in. You kids and your lingo.
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On December 17 2016 09:53 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 23:20 Half the Sky wrote:
Since we're closing in on the holidays I can't play but I can co-host FWIW. thanks Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 00:41 Kmatt wrote:
Is there still room to /join?
EDIT: I mean /in. You kids and your lingo. Looks like we are full but ill list you as a replacement if you like but no one is going to replace because i will reach through their computer screen and murder them. We will start on Sunday night this will make it so christmas eve will be a night phase and we can stop their at deadline and pick it back up on Monday.
It's fine, I'll just wait on the next NSMM.
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On December 18 2016 09:34 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 13:36 Kmatt wrote:On December 17 2016 09:53 iamperfection wrote:On December 16 2016 23:20 Half the Sky wrote:
Since we're closing in on the holidays I can't play but I can co-host FWIW. thanks On December 17 2016 00:41 Kmatt wrote:
Is there still room to /join?
EDIT: I mean /in. You kids and your lingo. Looks like we are full but ill list you as a replacement if you like but no one is going to replace because i will reach through their computer screen and murder them. We will start on Sunday night this will make it so christmas eve will be a night phase and we can stop their at deadline and pick it back up on Monday. It's fine, I'll just wait on the next NSMM. I actually have to /out so if you want my spot, it's all yours 
/in it is.
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It begins.
Also hello to Shapelog and Darthfoley (where did he know me from?)!
Looks like we won't know about what setup we get unless a blue does something. GLHF
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On December 19 2016 10:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2016 10:41 Kmatt wrote:
It begins.
Also hello to Shapelog and Darthfoley (where did he know me from?)!
Looks like we won't know about what setup we get unless a blue does something. GLHF Thanks man, that's really kind of you. Expect me to actually try hard this game because I want that title back and I have the holidays off!
Sorry what? I haven't been on here for the better part of a year so everything you said just went over my head.
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On December 19 2016 21:17 Koshi wrote:
I was wrong. Alakaslam tried to connect with the thread with his question. It is not that mafia after all.
The person who didn't tried to do anything should be the plynch.
##unvote
##vote Kmatt
Good morning to you too.
So what's the deal behind policy lynching anyway? I'm a little fresh to this so I'm not sure I get it. Is it just taking a jab at someone so you have something to vote on day one?
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On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably
Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive?
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On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what?
My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote.
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On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote.
Which is to say he's acting like town.
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On December 20 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Honestly if I was a bad town I surprised he would night kill me when he's scum because it would mean he thinks I was a threat on finding his team.
I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm.
SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together.
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On December 20 2016 00:29 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Which is to say he's acting like town. Also why you think it would come from town instead of scum? I not quite following your thought process for this.
I said town-like, not necessarily town. Since town's interest lies in getting correct lynches, having you around (as I read him) means that sooner or later you're going to say/do something stupid to get people to think you're scum and get lynched. A lynch that could have gone to someone more red. By being night killed it solves that problem ahead of time.
From my time in a scum chat I couldn't see them taking you out anyway assuming you are town. So it's harmless banter.
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By the way have we confirmed that everyone knows the game started? Exo_ posted in here asking about the start time recently but Rels hasn't been here since last Thursday. I'd rather we not have to lynch inactives.
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On December 20 2016 00:36 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:31 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Honestly if I was a bad town I surprised he would night kill me when he's scum because it would mean he thinks I was a threat on finding his team. I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm. SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together. "in this thread together" I wish I had a buddy in the thread with me
That's a little too opportunistic/innocuous of an entry without contributing to a discussion.
##vote ExO_
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On December 20 2016 00:42 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:40 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:36 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 00:31 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Honestly if I was a bad town I surprised he would night kill me when he's scum because it would mean he thinks I was a threat on finding his team. I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm. SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together. "in this thread together" I wish I had a buddy in the thread with me That's a little too opportunistic/innocuous of an entry without contributing to a discussion. ##vote ExO_ speaking of opportunistic voting
Your post was cherry-picking a reply as to not be inactive but still be out of sight for the last 12 hours. Mine is acknowledging low-hanging fruit. And you still aren't questioning/analyzing/posting reads so
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On December 20 2016 00:45 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:34 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:29 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Which is to say he's acting like town. Also why you think it would come from town instead of scum? I not quite following your thought process for this. I said town-like, not necessarily town. Since town's interest lies in getting correct lynches, having you around (as I read him) means that sooner or later you're going to say/do something stupid to get people to think you're scum and get lynched. A lynch that could have gone to someone more red. By being night killed it solves that problem ahead of time. From my time in a scum chat I couldn't see them taking you out anyway assuming you are town. So it's harmless banter. Misunderstanding on my part there. To tell you the truth I been night killed 4 out of my last like 5/6 games as town and I wasn't even blue in any of them and 2 of the times it was sicklucker on the scum team. I not really a good lynch Day 1 since I show myself to be town better as the game gets on in fact if it get past Day 2 I practically unlynchable as I only been mislynched once past Day 2 as town and that was in LYLO in my 4th game  But since we talking about being night killed solved the problem ahead don't you think it be weird for scum to kill someone who doesn't look good?
It would be weird for scum to do what SL says yes, but he's effectively asking them nicely to make our jobs easy. Scum wants to kill the good townies. He's suggesting they "waste" a shot on you instead.
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I didn't have much weight in SL's post having much meaning, just wanted to "explain the joke". No one would obviously scumslip that easily (at least not by accident) so I don't find anything scummy on him. Town enough for now.
LS seems town. Nothing groundbreaking but certainly nothing damning out of him.
I was ready to unvote ExO_ if he came in with some good responses (obviously we all sleep, not a huge deal) but from seeing his kneejerk reaction to me pointing a finger and nothing else makes me more confident in my call.
Alakaslam/Koshi/Holyflame are still ambiguous. I have to go take a final so I'll be back later.
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On December 20 2016 01:34 ExO_ wrote:
so somehow koshi/kmatt are going to come into the thread, scum reading me for some stupid ass reason. kmatt ignores my comment about him buddying, as any scum would. and both koshi/kmatt ignore disinformation pseudo defending me. If I'm scummy, why isn't disinfo scummy too hmm koshi/kmatt?
Okay looking back I misread you the first time, thought you meant I was buddying with LightningStrike by conversing. Still not really buddying with Sicklucker, it was LS who was having a hard time understanding the comment so there's no harm in explaining it to him. My bit about "being in this thread together" refers to the fact that SL could very easily answer these questions himself.
And Disinfo not immediately agreeing with me doesn't make him scum. Being this invested in your own innocence and pointing fingers at us for having the audacity to doubt you is scummy. If you were really town you'd be proving it by lynching scum, not throwing shade because we're scumhunting.
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Can't really quote because mobile but here goes.
As someone said earlier, my initial jab at Exo was more testing the water than anything. His overreaction is the basis of my current read.
Disinformation didn't rebuke my case in any meaningful way. He just interpreted your post differently, and there was nothing odd or unreasonable about it. If he claimed that my current read is baseless, started pointing fingers without a case or spouted expletives I would have reason to suspect him. At the moment I don't.
It looks like Exo is digging this hole deeper with every refresh so I would need a substantial new case to take my vote off of him.
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On December 20 2016 02:31 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
I cannot for the life of me fathom how someone can say people are suspicious for not pushing a non-suspicious person. Why is disinfo not-suspicious? My logic is this: Koshi/Kmatt think I'm scum Disinfo immediately tries to deflect the thread away from kmatt's scum reading of me Therefore if Koshi/Kmatt are really town, who really think I'm scum, they should at least be questioning disinfo
What is this "deflection" you seem to think we should be concerned about? IIRC he was commenting on your angry post saying that you're not a morning person.
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Actually HFs bit about mafia skating by makes sense. Still standing by that Exo is scummy.
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On December 20 2016 02:42 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:29 Kmatt wrote:
Can't really quote because mobile but here goes.
As someone said earlier, my initial jab at Exo was more testing the water than anything. His overreaction is the basis of my current read.
Disinformation didn't rebuke my case in any meaningful way. He just interpreted your post differently, and there was nothing odd or unreasonable about it. If he claimed that my current read is baseless, started pointing fingers without a case or spouted expletives I would have reason to suspect him. At the moment I don't.
It looks like Exo is digging this hole deeper with every refresh so I would need a substantial new case to take my vote off of him.
your initial jab against me was an immediate OMGUS. That's not really testing the waters imo. I hadn't even been in the thread for more than 5 minutes, and you're accusing me of posting to not be considered inactive. how in the world is that testing the waters? You don't think immediately voting me might force me to turn and focus only on you instead of looking at the thread? You didn't ask me what I thought about X or Y, you just voted me immediately. That's not testing the wawters.
If by OMGUS you mean Oh My God You Suck, which according to the Internet would be me accusing you of being scum simply because you voted for me. Firstly, I called on your first, and every post since then has been super reactionary. Secondly, me voting you on a thin premise was in fact pushing buttons to gauge your response. Looks to me like it worked.
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On December 20 2016 02:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:50 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 02:42 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:29 Kmatt wrote:
Can't really quote because mobile but here goes.
As someone said earlier, my initial jab at Exo was more testing the water than anything. His overreaction is the basis of my current read.
Disinformation didn't rebuke my case in any meaningful way. He just interpreted your post differently, and there was nothing odd or unreasonable about it. If he claimed that my current read is baseless, started pointing fingers without a case or spouted expletives I would have reason to suspect him. At the moment I don't.
It looks like Exo is digging this hole deeper with every refresh so I would need a substantial new case to take my vote off of him.
your initial jab against me was an immediate OMGUS. That's not really testing the waters imo. I hadn't even been in the thread for more than 5 minutes, and you're accusing me of posting to not be considered inactive. how in the world is that testing the waters? You don't think immediately voting me might force me to turn and focus only on you instead of looking at the thread? You didn't ask me what I thought about X or Y, you just voted me immediately. That's not testing the wawters. If by OMGUS you mean Oh My God You Suck, which according to the Internet would be me accusing you of being scum simply because you voted for me. Firstly, I called on your first, and every post since then has been super reactionary. Secondly, me voting you on a thin premise was in fact pushing buttons to gauge your response. Looks to me like it worked. Why would you specifically want to gauge exo's response instead of anyone in the thread when all he did was comment on one thing?
I couldn't come up with anything on the posts so far so I just took a shot at what appeared to be low hanging fruit. I would have eased off or even dropped it had Exo brushed off my obviously weak call and went about posting sound reads and questions, but instead we got this.
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On December 20 2016 03:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:59 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 02:51 Holyflare wrote:On December 20 2016 02:50 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 02:42 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:29 Kmatt wrote:
Can't really quote because mobile but here goes.
As someone said earlier, my initial jab at Exo was more testing the water than anything. His overreaction is the basis of my current read.
Disinformation didn't rebuke my case in any meaningful way. He just interpreted your post differently, and there was nothing odd or unreasonable about it. If he claimed that my current read is baseless, started pointing fingers without a case or spouted expletives I would have reason to suspect him. At the moment I don't.
It looks like Exo is digging this hole deeper with every refresh so I would need a substantial new case to take my vote off of him.
your initial jab against me was an immediate OMGUS. That's not really testing the waters imo. I hadn't even been in the thread for more than 5 minutes, and you're accusing me of posting to not be considered inactive. how in the world is that testing the waters? You don't think immediately voting me might force me to turn and focus only on you instead of looking at the thread? You didn't ask me what I thought about X or Y, you just voted me immediately. That's not testing the wawters. If by OMGUS you mean Oh My God You Suck, which according to the Internet would be me accusing you of being scum simply because you voted for me. Firstly, I called on your first, and every post since then has been super reactionary. Secondly, me voting you on a thin premise was in fact pushing buttons to gauge your response. Looks to me like it worked. Why would you specifically want to gauge exo's response instead of anyone in the thread when all he did was comment on one thing? I couldn't come up with anything on the posts so far so I just took a shot at what appeared to be low hanging fruit. I would have eased off or even dropped it had Exo brushed off my obviously weak call and went about posting sound reads and questions, but instead we got this. So if your call out was weak and you even misread the intention behind his initial post why is it scummy that he called you out for misrepresenting his post/voting him/pushing him further?
At first I thought the "wish I had a friend" bit was pointless filler text just so he could have a reaponse. Then I thought he implied LS and I were buddying by having and conversation. Even now it seemed silly. I don't think his response was scummy in intent, but the fact that he started going off suspecting multiple people without building a solid case confirmed it for me. He was just too wrapped up with my first comment instead of brushing it off and fishing for real scum. Even now I don't think he has a real case on anyone despite the post count.
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On December 20 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt don't be disconnected to what is happening right now.
I'm phone posting and it's cold, give me a break.
To be honest I don't like where this is going. Looks like a repeat of my NSM game where I was under scrutiny, NocturneMage questioned me gently before levelling off and got someone else lynched. This sudden interest in disinformation, while justifiable, looks like it has mafia influence.
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Nothing that anyone has said about disinformation seems wrong. He's definitely contributing less to the discussion. However, for us to go from being mostly in agreement on Exo to an entirely different case out of nowhere seems worng.
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On December 20 2016 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
Exo has done nothing to alleviate the pressure. I didn't hate his point about disformation but now disformation is on the line and he isn't doing anything about it. Nothing about exo has changed.
There's more than one player in this game though so pressuring disformation who is doing absolutely mafia like play is not bad in the slightest. If it's justifiable and exo isn't around why is it bad to pressure disformation??
I don't think it's bad to pressure, but it stood out to me how similar this is to what happened with me. I'm all ears to what we hear from the questioning.
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On December 20 2016 04:10 Holyflare wrote:
What I want to know though is why you gave SL a free town read for posting. If he had only posted his 0-1 other lines of posts do you think he would have started to be scum read instead?
Ayy HF I answered to your prodding before the Smith posting about why the conversation shift bothered me. Do you have any conclusion for us?
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On December 20 2016 04:18 Holyflare wrote:
conclusion about what?
You asked about why I felt that way, I answered, and you started posting memes. I'm not saying you have to push it but I'd like to hear that conversation through.
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Seriously though is Rels even aware that we started? His most recent post was from last Thursday.
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On December 20 2016 08:02 Rels wrote:Kmatt I don't follow your train of thoughts here: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Which is to say he's acting like town. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:31 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Honestly if I was a bad town I surprised he would night kill me when he's scum because it would mean he thinks I was a threat on finding his team. I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm. SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together. You assume SL might be seriously talking about LS being bad town, then you assume it was sarcasm ? And you're pressuring SL on that but you think it was townie ?
Oh here we go again
He was making a joke. I'm getting sick of having to explain it to people and want SL to do it. That is all.
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On December 20 2016 08:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 08:25 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 08:02 Rels wrote:Kmatt I don't follow your train of thoughts here: On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. On December 20 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Which is to say he's acting like town. On December 20 2016 00:31 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Honestly if I was a bad town I surprised he would night kill me when he's scum because it would mean he thinks I was a threat on finding his team. I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm. SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together. You assume SL might be seriously talking about LS being bad town, then you assume it was sarcasm ? And you're pressuring SL on that but you think it was townie ? Oh here we go again He was making a joke. I'm getting sick of having to explain it to people and want SL to do it. That is all. So you never consider SL sentence to be serious ? And you stated openly in the thread multiple times that you think that SL is making a joke and that oyu think it is townie, there is no pressure on SL anymore since he knows what you find townie.
No, SL was obviously not serious about trying to get LS nightkilled. I find harmless banter at the start of the game to be more town behavior. As of now, with how absent he's been from discussion I have a null read on him. There hasn't really been pressure because we've been talking about different things.
I'd like to hear some thoughts from him and something constructive from LS.
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On December 20 2016 08:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 08:49 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 08:38 Rels wrote:On December 20 2016 08:25 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 08:02 Rels wrote:Kmatt I don't follow your train of thoughts here: On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. On December 20 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Which is to say he's acting like town. On December 20 2016 00:31 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:
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Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Honestly if I was a bad town I surprised he would night kill me when he's scum because it would mean he thinks I was a threat on finding his team. I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm. SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together. You assume SL might be seriously talking about LS being bad town, then you assume it was sarcasm ? And you're pressuring SL on that but you think it was townie ? Oh here we go again He was making a joke. I'm getting sick of having to explain it to people and want SL to do it. That is all. So you never consider SL sentence to be serious ? And you stated openly in the thread multiple times that you think that SL is making a joke and that oyu think it is townie, there is no pressure on SL anymore since he knows what you find townie. No, SL was obviously not serious about trying to get LS nightkilled. I find harmless banter at the start of the game to be more town behavior. As of now, with how absent he's been from discussion I have a null read on him. There hasn't really been pressure because we've been talking about different things. I'd like to hear some thoughts from him and something constructive from LS. You never played with LS ? I remember one game of yours where you were scum with NocturneMage, was it your only one ?
Correct this is my second game. I did sign up for another after the 1st buy I had to go offline for a while at the start so I dropped out.
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Okay finally back and reread. My post about not liking the shift to disinformation was more a reflection of my tunneling. At the time it didn't really seem like the disinformation scum case was that big but catching up with the thread I can definitely see him being either scum or really weak town. As for everyone else, I need to take some time to go through the filters. I'll be back with a better post shortly.
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And lol@ me and exo being scumbuddies. Don't get me wrong I'm all for bussing people but that would be a little extreme.
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On December 21 2016 00:51 Koshi wrote:
I can only see a bus or Slam being mafia with Exo. Because Exo took destructive battering from everywhere.
That's my one doubt on Exo. If he's scum (which I'm pretty damn sure he is), then mafia team is giving up the ghost super easily. And seeing the posts from his other town game I could believe he's just playing consistently not-very-good and thus is doing scum team's work for them. Not enough doubt to make me not vote for him of course but if he somehow flips green I'm going to feel like a bigger idiot than otherwise. Time for filters.
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On December 21 2016 01:22 disformation wrote:
Though I guess it is not impossible for him to get cold feet over the lack of resistance over ExO_s lynch. Koshi was also showing a bit of that earlier.
Still not a good post by him.
Now that you put it out there, it does seem like a cheap way to shift blame, I'll avoid that in the future.
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On December 21 2016 01:05 Holyflare wrote:
Seeing the posts from his other town game, consistently bad. Um, isn't the whole premise that it's wildly different from his town game?
Bae caught me slippin?
To be frank I didn't actually boot up 2hu mafia and read his posts for myself. I'm lazy like that. From what was posted here it sounded like his reactionary posting and short fuse are standard fare for him. I'll give it a glance after my bigger post to see if it's as different/telling as you make it sounds.
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Wew that was fun.
Alakaslam
Wow he actually sucks.
I'll admit, he's done a fantastic job of "skating by". His filter is tiny and full of garbage. He had those posts where he talked about Rels' reads but had no actual content. To this point he hasn't even acknowledged either the Exo or Disinfo wagons. However despite all this I'm leaning more towards him playing Lazy Town rather than a quiet scum. If our wagons are both ML, then Mafia wants to hop on board for the town cred and ride for an easy kill. If we have scum targets they need to be derailing us. He's just not playing at all. In my other game we had Fidei86 being super inactive as scum (though that might have just been him not playing much) so I don't rule Slam being scum out. He's not my first priority here so he's getting a stay of votecution.
ExO_
By all accounts this guy is still scum in my book, mostly for reasons already stated (no scumreads on anyone but his accusers, over-defensiveness at my vote, being unhelpful in general). While the meta read is totally believable, I have no reason to doubt that he's both playing to his own standard and being scum. Regardless, I won't miss him when he's gone. The vote can stay here.
Koshi
For the most part I want to like this guy. His posts do seem a little erratic, but that's not necessarily scum behavior. If you could lay out in a single post your full case against Sicklucker I'd like to see it. Just looking at your filter didn't give me a clear picture on why he's scum and why we should vote him.
LightningStrike
Literally where?
While I'm not a fan of his absence, I can't pin it down to being scum for reasons in Slam's summary. He does need to get off his rump and do some McFriggin work though. Otherwise he seems harmlessly townie. I don't want harmless town I want murderous lynching town.
Sicklucker
Oh wow apparently he made a line about me and him being scumbuddies. I legitimately did not catch that until this post.
Anyway this guy gives off a Slam vibe. I think it's just in his nature to make these one-liner stream of consciousness posts but he looks to be all over the place regarding our wagons. First he thinks I'm scum, then he thinks both Exo and I are scum (which simply doesn't make sense), then me mentions Slam being scum but says nothing about that case. He looks like he's ready to hop on anyone that could be a ML. But since he's down for lynching Exo he's either bussing day 1 (questionable at best) or he's just playing weird town. His enthusiasm for Rels is also odd. That speaks to me as trying too hard for town cred. Also conveniently hasn't spoken a word about disinformation unless I missed something in his spotty filter.
If Exo flips green/blue we're putting this guy on ice.
Rels
Town enough for me. Asks good questions, hasn't done anything particularly scummy in my eyes. He got a little confused on Disinfos pseudo-scumread of Exo but that was a genuinely confusing post. For now I find no fault here.
Holyflare
I'll take him as town as well. More aggressive than I would play, but still very town. I could see him getting shot night one *cough*doc*cough*.
Kmatt
ayy
Disinformation
I genuinely can't tell if he's scum or just a town being all over the place. As much as I hate going neutral on a big wagon, I have to give him a null. If it weren't for the other more deliberately scummy players I would feel better voting for him but as it is I can't come to a conclusion. I'm watching closely.
My current scumteam comes out to Exo/Slam/SL.
TOWN
Rels
LightningStrike
Holyflare
Koshi
Disninformation
Alakaslam
Sicklucker
Exo
SCUM
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On December 21 2016 01:41 Holyflare wrote:
so you're saying you didn't read it but literally the only one to really talk about it was disformation where he also lays out why it's different in the same post.................?
And now I've read it. He's scum af. I was playing from work yesterday so I wouldn't read too far into stuff. Now that I'm full and well caught up I think I've seen all I need to. Exo has my vote and it would take a lot to change that.
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On December 21 2016 02:08 Kmatt wrote:
Wew that was fun.
Alakaslam
Wow he actually sucks.
I'll admit, he's done a fantastic job of "skating by". His filter is tiny and full of garbage. He had those posts where he talked about Rels' reads but had no actual content. To this point he hasn't even acknowledged either the Exo or Disinfo wagons. However despite all this I'm leaning more towards him playing Lazy Town rather than a quiet scum. If our wagons are both ML, then Mafia wants to hop on board for the town cred and ride for an easy kill. If we have scum targets they need to be derailing us. He's just not playing at all. In my other game we had Fidei86 being super inactive as scum (though that might have just been him not playing much) so I don't rule Slam being scum out. He's not my first priority here so he's getting a stay of votecution.
ExO_
By all accounts this guy is still scum in my book, mostly for reasons already stated (no scumreads on anyone but his accusers, over-defensiveness at my vote, being unhelpful in general). While the meta read is totally believable, I have no reason to doubt that he's both playing to his own standard and being scum. Regardless, I won't miss him when he's gone. The vote can stay here.
Koshi
For the most part I want to like this guy. His posts do seem a little erratic, but that's not necessarily scum behavior. If you could lay out in a single post your full case against Sicklucker I'd like to see it. Just looking at your filter didn't give me a clear picture on why he's scum and why we should vote him.
LightningStrike
Literally where?
While I'm not a fan of his absence, I can't pin it down to being scum for reasons in Slam's summary. He does need to get off his rump and do some McFriggin work though. Otherwise he seems harmlessly townie. I don't want harmless town I want murderous lynching town.
Sicklucker
Oh wow apparently he made a line about me and him being scumbuddies. I legitimately did not catch that until this post.
Anyway this guy gives off a Slam vibe. I think it's just in his nature to make these one-liner stream of consciousness posts but he looks to be all over the place regarding our wagons. First he thinks I'm scum, then he thinks both Exo and I are scum (which simply doesn't make sense), then me mentions Slam being scum but says nothing about that case. He looks like he's ready to hop on anyone that could be a ML. But since he's down for lynching Exo he's either bussing day 1 (questionable at best) or he's just playing weird town. His enthusiasm for Rels is also odd. That speaks to me as trying too hard for town cred. Also conveniently hasn't spoken a word about disinformation unless I missed something in his spotty filter.
If Exo flips green/blue we're putting this guy on ice.
Rels
Town enough for me. Asks good questions, hasn't done anything particularly scummy in my eyes. He got a little confused on Disinfos pseudo-scumread of Exo but that was a genuinely confusing post. For now I find no fault here.
Holyflare
I'll take him as town as well. More aggressive than I would play, but still very town. I could see him getting shot night one *cough*doc*cough*.
Kmatt
ayy
Disinformation
I genuinely can't tell if he's scum or just a town being all over the place. As much as I hate going neutral on a big wagon, I have to give him a null. If it weren't for the other more deliberately scummy players I would feel better voting for him but as it is I can't come to a conclusion. I'm watching closely.
My current scumteam comes out to Exo/Slam/SL.
TOWN
Rels
LightningStrike
Holyflare
Koshi
Disninformation
Alakaslam
Sicklucker
Exo
SCUM
Update: The bit about Slam being lazy town was me not conveying my thoughts properly. I had that suspicion, but him being scum wins out. I don't lean towards him being town, just that it factored into my analysis.
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By "Disqualigied" do you mean lynched or is he breaking some rule?
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Curse this phone posting and no edit rule.
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Why do we think I'm scum again? I saw some people say that since I posted a case on GB in NSM as a WoT then my WoTs is some kind of tell. I just like wrapping up my ideas in a single post. And using my only other game as meta is kind of silly.
For now I'm quiet because there doesn't seem like much for me to do here. I have my scumread and cast my vote. Barring any major developments I don't see my read or vote changing tonight. There's obviously a lot to consider with the side wagons like Alakaslam and disinformation but nothing worth vote switching for the time being. I'm keeping an open mind so have at it.
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On December 21 2016 07:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 07:53 Kmatt wrote:
Why do we think I'm scum again? I saw some people say that since I posted a case on GB in NSM as a WoT then my WoTs is some kind of tell. I just like wrapping up my ideas in a single post. And using my only other game as meta is kind of silly.
For now I'm quiet because there doesn't seem like much for me to do here. I have my scumread and cast my vote. Barring any major developments I don't see my read or vote changing tonight. There's obviously a lot to consider with the side wagons like Alakaslam and disinformation but nothing worth vote switching for the time being. I'm keeping an open mind so have at it. So you were reading all this time but didn't say anything ? Even when exo started positng ?
I was taking a test and just caught up.
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On December 21 2016 08:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 07:56 Kmatt wrote:On December 21 2016 07:55 Rels wrote:On December 21 2016 07:53 Kmatt wrote:
Why do we think I'm scum again? I saw some people say that since I posted a case on GB in NSM as a WoT then my WoTs is some kind of tell. I just like wrapping up my ideas in a single post. And using my only other game as meta is kind of silly.
For now I'm quiet because there doesn't seem like much for me to do here. I have my scumread and cast my vote. Barring any major developments I don't see my read or vote changing tonight. There's obviously a lot to consider with the side wagons like Alakaslam and disinformation but nothing worth vote switching for the time being. I'm keeping an open mind so have at it. So you were reading all this time but didn't say anything ? Even when exo started positng ? I was taking a test and just caught up. sooo what did you think of exo's posts ? What do you think of Koshi's take on Exo's posts ? What do you think of Slam ?
Exo's questioning of Koshi's and HF caught my attention but how much I consider it depends on the flip.
Hoshi's take on a Slam lynch sound interesting but I don't follow his train of thought entirely. I have no issue with voting Slam Day2 so we can discuss that again in the morning.
Slam is both dubious and absent. I won't miss him.
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On December 21 2016 08:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +Exo's questioning of Koshi's and HF caught my attention but how much I consider it depends on the flip. what does this even mean?????
He has some neat crackpot theories but if he's scum then they're meaningless.
And no, exo has yet to change my mind. Especially with the majority lynch system threatening a potential no lynch I like my vote right where I placed it.
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Aaaaaaaa now I'm getting cold feet. I liked this better as scum, I never had to think about this. The uncertainty is killing me. I'm going off for a bit, I'll try to be back before the flip in case something comes up.
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I'm on critical battery so it's time for my convenient afk. He had said something about you and Hoshi that I first thought was scum babbling but piqued my interest nonetheless. And I'm not saying I want to swap votes but I can't shake the feeling that I made a mistake somewhere. I made my bed and I'm going to lie in it.
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Back.
Alright now I feel retarded, but I could have sworn I read a post earlier today about a setup where you (HF) and Hoshi were scum together with Disinfo or something. I don't see it anywhere in his filter so maybe it was one of the other ones I read. I don't even care anymore. 12 minutes let's get this over with.
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How you don't know is beyond me unless you skipped 39 pages.
I voted him on his first post, he went super defensive/reactionary and kind of flailed about as pressure mounted. Since then he hasn't done anything constructive and continues to insist how he's VT and how HF is a meaniehead.
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On December 21 2016 10:26 Alakaslam wrote:
However I did skip about 20 pages of the thread
Yeah then you'll probably be equally surprised that, despite the concentration of votes, you and apparently I are the #2 scum candidates. Yesterday people were all over Disinformation but no one seems to care anymore.
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Damn it all why didn't you morons talk me out of this.
WE LOST
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On December 21 2016 10:48 Alakaslam wrote:
For what it's worth I'm amazed how well Kmatt told me so much with so little.
I mean I made a wall of text a few pages back but otherwise what did I say?
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On December 21 2016 10:52 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 10:51 Kmatt wrote:On December 21 2016 10:48 Alakaslam wrote:
For what it's worth I'm amazed how well Kmatt told me so much with so little. I mean I made a wall of text a few pages back but otherwise what did I say? I'm talking about the post where you summed up The reasons EXO was up for Lynch.
So what do you make of it? Did he have it coming, am I scum who led the ML, did mafia support my train from behind, etc.
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On December 21 2016 10:59 sicklucker wrote:
being good as scum when sucking at town is like winning the special Olympics
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yZ0a2St.jpg)
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This is gonna sound stupid but I was under the impression that night=radio silence since there's no vote and we're supposed to be "asleep". Anyway
On December 22 2016 21:04 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh I see no point putting in any work when you scum read someone and they just decide to afk for the cycle. That's not fun.
I was thinking about the sl thing tbh. Kmatt posted in his wall of text that sl is scummy and should be lynched if exo flips town but hasn't said a peep about sl or anything. Find it a bit odd.
But I guess he hasn't been here at all either sooooo. Good catch on that. Really want to see what Kmatt posts if/when he comes back.
On December 22 2016 21:03 Holyflare wrote:
I really want kmart to come back and be the towniest mother fucker ever so the game is interesting but maybe that's too much to ask.
Wow I didn't expect to that. But I just don't know of a way to salvage this one. That was the biggest thing that made me nervous about Exo: if he flips green, not only do we get closer to losing, but I have no way to explain myself out of it. I kind of resigned to having thrown the game right there. Of course that was under the assumption that there would be a NK followed by my lynch. That would set the game 3-3 and GG.
I'm afraid I'm coming up dry here. Normally I'd look for who was involved with the ML, except that was my train and it has long since left the station. The lack of a NK is what threw me off the most. Host's post makes it sound like it was mafia team not agreeing on a shot, though I'd much rather it be a doctor. Without a claim it looks like we'll never know.
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Actually I had forgotten about my SL theory from day1. Gonna go read up and see where I was going with that.
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tangentially related but any post written liek this......... makes me read you like???? in a teenagge girl's voice????
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But yeah that's how it worked when I played the mafia sc2 mod, you'd have maybe 10 seconds after a lynch to funpost before the game declared "IT IS NIGHT TIME" and chat would be locked. There was a "town crier" class that could anonymously talk at night which was kind of funny.
From what I garner the bit that bothered me about SL was his initial inactivity followed by the erratic posting. The bit about Rels was weird to me too. I also didn't like how he hopped on the Exo wagon without explaining his own reason, but since I was pushing that in the first place it's more likely that he just agreed with me.
At the moment though HF sits the worst with me. For a while I had just accepted that this was his posting style and that being overly-aggressive made for better town play. The more I look over his posts though, it seems like he's more focused on getting a rise from people than actually garnering useful information. He takes any questionable statement and overreacts to draw attention.
But yeah apparently I suck as town and should stick to NSM.
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On December 23 2016 00:27 disformation wrote:But yeah his post is so ultra horrible i have no idea what to think of it? Why would scum post taht? why would town post that? Like this part: Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 00:05 Kmatt wrote:
Wow I didn't expect to that. But I just don't know of a way to salvage this one. That was the biggest thing that made me nervous about Exo: if he flips green, not only do we get closer to losing, but I have no way to explain myself out of it. I kind of resigned to having thrown the game right there. Of course that was under the assumption that there would be a NK followed by my lynch. That would set the game 3-3 and GG. 3-3?! what? there are not even 3 scum in the game... super randomly giving up after 1 ML. What? PPL get shit wrong all the time... you keep looking for scum. And I have no idea how he suddenly can become so clueless/defeated after playing scum just fine the last game... where he also had at least one post in the night phase. Soooo... trying to play super hard for the newb card?
Oh wow there actually are only two scum. I was under the impression it was three this whole time.
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On December 23 2016 00:27 disformation wrote:
Soooo... trying to play super hard for the newb card?
In my defense it's my second game and first town. And at no point do I claim to be good at this game.
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On December 23 2016 00:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 00:48 LightningStrike wrote:On December 23 2016 00:43 Koshi wrote:On December 23 2016 00:41 LightningStrike wrote:On December 23 2016 00:39 Koshi wrote:
It's Rels and LS. Me and Rels being partners? Oh please where you got this idea from? There is nothing that connects you 2 except that you are both mafia. Then how would we be partners if ther enothing that connects us? Also if he was my partner why would he townread so hard the way he been doing it? I think this picture describes your perfectly: ![[image loading]](http://static1.squarespace.com/static/53016c21e4b0484cf754d052/t/55536c41e4b0a7df4f94aa44/1431530562676/) Why haven't you bothered to find mafia this game LS? I thought you wanted to help me make town great again? You have done nothing. Even your D1 vote Slam just happened because I on that moment wanted to lynch Slam, if I wanted to lynch anybody else you would have went with that probably. Where is your scumhunting? Where is your read progression? Even on ExO. There is no progression. It is just you using meta and sticking to that.
I can see why you don't like LS this late in but why Rels? I saw a few people comment on him as I got caught up.
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On December 23 2016 00:58 Holyflare wrote:
Why should kmatt be definitely mafia?
Are you ignoring his dumb tells of not knowing how many mafia there are? or how he's not allowed to post at night? or setups?
Wait are you implying that you don't even scumread me anymore?
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On December 23 2016 01:13 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt
Get your ASS IN THIS THREAD
AND DO SHIT
I was just reading chill.
But yeah the bit about LS retconning his read on Exo doesn't make sense. I'm willing to go with your call on Rels/LS. I don't really see any other two players that work alongside each other anyway. This would also then assume that Disinfo is town and was just being doubted heavily. It still feels weird leaving SL and Slam out of the equation but since you guys were saying Slam is playing normally and SL has come around in the last day it doesn't leave many more options.
##Vote Lightningstrike
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On December 23 2016 01:32 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 01:30 Kmatt wrote:On December 23 2016 01:13 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt
Get your ASS IN THIS THREAD
AND DO SHIT I was just reading chill. But yeah the bit about LS retconning his read on Exo doesn't make sense. I'm willing to go with your call on Rels/LS. I don't really see any other two players that work alongside each other anyway. This would also then assume that Disinfo is town and was just being doubted heavily. It still feels weird leaving SL and Slam out of the equation but since you guys were saying Slam is playing normally and SL has come around in the last day it doesn't leave many more options. ##Vote Lightningstrike Might be rich coming from me, but I would like to see more of your own opinion. Look at Slam's and SL's filter. Do you think they are town or scum? Do you think it makes sense that I was doubted? Do you think ppl should still doubt me? Rels made a pretty big case on me earlier. What do you think of it?
The case on you worked at the time because other than Exo there weren't any players with red flags. Most of it boiled down to not having any big public reads and you got jumped for it. I personally don't see that as too heinous day1 but I can see why they would.
Slam's filter doesn't have a lot going for it but if his story's true than he has a reason to not be around. And I simply don't believe mafia can afford to be this passive so far into the game. They need a ML and won't be sitting this cycle out. Especially with how things are flipping around the past hour or two.
As for SL I saw this
On December 22 2016 11:10 sicklucker wrote:
like no mafia in the history of mafai has held a n1 kill. hf is not this dumb bs.
Im cop with red check on holyflare.
Holyflare/kmart
I'd like to see where that theory came from. At this point his mock scumcalling is meaningless to me. This part though resonated with me:
On December 22 2016 23:53 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 21:23 disformation wrote:
One of the things to consider though:
if the 2 scums are in Rels, SL and Kmatt (which is still likely). I am one of the few remaining options for them to get a ML.
As SL and Rels basically cant realistically SR each other.
Which I why I yesterday said: "I am looking forward to see who the suspects are going to scumread."
have a hard time figuring out if rels is the scum or just scum siding atm. then why am i hard defending you bro. I dont acualy think your town I just think there are more mafia people then you
At this stage it's hard to find solid townreads but with the stay of execution we got last night I'm willing to take a chance on the lynch with Lightningstrike.
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On December 23 2016 01:51 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 01:49 Kmatt wrote:On December 23 2016 01:32 disformation wrote:On December 23 2016 01:30 Kmatt wrote:On December 23 2016 01:13 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt
Get your ASS IN THIS THREAD
AND DO SHIT I was just reading chill. But yeah the bit about LS retconning his read on Exo doesn't make sense. I'm willing to go with your call on Rels/LS. I don't really see any other two players that work alongside each other anyway. This would also then assume that Disinfo is town and was just being doubted heavily. It still feels weird leaving SL and Slam out of the equation but since you guys were saying Slam is playing normally and SL has come around in the last day it doesn't leave many more options. ##Vote Lightningstrike Might be rich coming from me, but I would like to see more of your own opinion. Look at Slam's and SL's filter. Do you think they are town or scum? Do you think it makes sense that I was doubted? Do you think ppl should still doubt me? Rels made a pretty big case on me earlier. What do you think of it? The case on you worked at the time because other than Exo there weren't any players with red flags. Most of it boiled down to not having any big public reads and you got jumped for it. I personally don't see that as too heinous day1 but I can see why they would. Slam's filter doesn't have a lot going for it but if his story's true than he has a reason to not be around. And I simply don't believe mafia can afford to be this passive so far into the game. They need a ML and won't be sitting this cycle out. Especially with how things are flipping around the past hour or two. As for SL I saw this On December 22 2016 11:10 sicklucker wrote:
like no mafia in the history of mafai has held a n1 kill. hf is not this dumb bs.
Im cop with red check on holyflare.
Holyflare/kmart I'd like to see where that theory came from. At this point his mock scumcalling is meaningless to me. This part though resonated with me: On December 22 2016 23:53 sicklucker wrote:On December 22 2016 21:23 disformation wrote:
One of the things to consider though:
if the 2 scums are in Rels, SL and Kmatt (which is still likely). I am one of the few remaining options for them to get a ML.
As SL and Rels basically cant realistically SR each other.
Which I why I yesterday said: "I am looking forward to see who the suspects are going to scumread."
have a hard time figuring out if rels is the scum or just scum siding atm. then why am i hard defending you bro. I dont acualy think your town I just think there are more mafia people then you At this stage it's hard to find solid townreads but with the stay of execution we got last night I'm willing to take a chance on the lynch with Lightningstrike. I mean like this one, from 4 hours ago: Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 21:06 Rels wrote:Past the early game, the immense majority of disfo's post have been copies of what other people had done before. In addition, he's interacting positively with thread leaders and his reads always matches the general sentiement reads. There are tons of example, here is some of the obvious ones. OK I'm actually reworking this to be an actual proof of what I'm saying with every contentful post past early game analysed. With few exceptions, every post that disfo made is echoing something that someone else made before him. Keep it mind that the problem is not that he's sharing another player's point of view. THE PROBLEM IS THAT ALL HIS CONTENTFUL POSTS ARE MADE ON THE EXACT SUBJECT OF ANOTHER POST HE JUST READ. That might not be obvious from the timestamps, but if you're reading the thread and disfo's filter at the same time, the disfo post in those spoilers in his filter is just after the original post. Bad feeling about Rels (original idea from Koshi and Slam) + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2016 19:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Rels is too unsure in the wrong places.
Just a vibe; vibes fail me a lot.
Just tossing it out there because fish, mc chicken, I'm voting the vibe. So this vote isn't technically a ninja vote.
(I did this at 2AM but whatever.)
On December 20 2016 19:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 19:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Rels is too unsure in the wrong places.
Just a vibe; vibes fail me a lot.
Just tossing it out there because fish, mc chicken, I'm voting the vibe. So this vote isn't technically a ninja vote.
(I did this at 2AM but whatever.)
Ty slam. This is really good. Ty. On December 20 2016 20:43 disformation wrote:
Now I need to make up my mind on Rels.
Like I can kinda agree that "something feels off". But imo more in the part about me. Or him being waffly in general.
But I still like a bunch of his posts. Which makes me not want to lynch him. Also + points for getting some stuff about me roght before horribly backtracking.
Rels is pretty good though. So the whole thing is not outside of his scum range.
If SL and ExO_ would not be in the game, that would be a really hard one.
I think as of right now I would lynch Rels over Slam?
Still think today should be one of ExO_ or SL. (original idea from Rels) + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2016 09:19 Rels wrote:I'm caught up. disfo might be scum maybe, I didn't like his posts on SL and Slam these last few pages. But if the lynch was right now I would 1000% lynch exo. He's fighting very differently from the last game I played with him; in that one he OMGUSd every player that pushed him. Here he stated a reason for suspecting Koshi and Kmatt and repeated it over and over. Actually it makes up for like half of his filter: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 01:44 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:43 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 01:34 ExO_ wrote:
so somehow koshi/kmatt are going to come into the thread, scum reading me for some stupid ass reason. kmatt ignores my comment about him buddying, as any scum would. and both koshi/kmatt ignore disinformation pseudo defending me. If I'm scummy, why isn't disinfo scummy too hmm koshi/kmatt? Okay looking back I misread you the first time, thought you meant I was buddying with LightningStrike by conversing. Still not really buddying with Sicklucker, it was LS who was having a hard time understanding the comment so there's no harm in explaining it to him. My bit about "being in this thread together" refers to the fact that SL could very easily answer these questions himself. And Disinfo not immediately agreeing with me doesn't make him scum. Being this invested in your own innocence and pointing fingers at us for having the audacity to doubt you is scummy. If you were really town you'd be proving it by lynching scum, not throwing shade because we're scumhunting. Disinfo didn't immediately agree with you, he disregarded your case by saying im not a morning person. Are you reading the same thread as I am? Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 01:54 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote:
Feels like you are playing a game against this thread Exo.
Kmatt buddying
Disinfo defending
Koshi also mafia?
It's weird I don't think disinfo is scum, I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:08 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:02 Koshi wrote:On December 20 2016 01:59 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:57 Koshi wrote:On December 20 2016 01:54 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote:
Feels like you are playing a game against this thread Exo.
Kmatt buddying
Disinfo defending
Koshi also mafia?
It's weird I don't think disinfo is scum, I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. O rly? Can you explain why? I don't have a fucking reason to think he's scum yet. Especially when kmatt is over here omgusing me at the first thing I say and you are defending him like crazy. Do I already need to have a 5 page analysis on why I think every player is town? I'm not going to operate from the assumption that everyone is scum, that's fucking retarded. I'll scum read someone when I have a reason to think they are scum You are focussing on the wrong part of that sentence. I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. Why? Goddamn each refresh is a new red alert from my virusthingie. If you think I'm a scum: Kmatt comes into the thread and votes me. Disinfo basically brushes off the case saying I'm not a morning person and tries to redirect the conversation elsewhere. If you think I'm scum, why are you both ignoring disinfo doing this? Either you (and kmatt) don't really think I'm scum, or are ignoring disinfo here for some reason I cannot fathom. your turn Why aren't you scum reading him if you think I'm scum? Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:15 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:11 Holyflare wrote:
Then why the fuck are you angry at mafia calling you mafia? What possible reason is there for you to be tilted that he's playing his alignment?
What I'm saying is and what you've now confirmed is you're getting tilted by someone doing a shit play when it's their literal job to do that. It doesn't make sense at all. What if they aren't mafia? I don't like being called mafia at all. Especially for bullshit reasons. Literally look at the end of the most recent game I played. If you think this is getting "tilted" then I get tilted easily I guess. I don't understand why I'm not allowed to be tilted, especially when I say one sentence and am immediately voted and teamed by 2 people. Either way it's far too early in the thread for me to lock into both of them being mafia. So I can't just brush them off entirely. THAT would be a scummy thing to do. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
So you think he's mafia for a bull shit vote
You get tilted regardless
You think disformation isn't suspicious
You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious
You say that you are implying they are mafia
You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong
Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic.
Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for. Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:31 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
I cannot for the life of me fathom how someone can say people are suspicious for not pushing a non-suspicious person. Why is disinfo not-suspicious? My logic is this: Koshi/Kmatt think I'm scum Disinfo immediately tries to deflect the thread away from kmatt's scum reading of me Therefore if Koshi/Kmatt are really town, who really think I'm scum, they should at least be questioning disinfo Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:39 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On December 20 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
So you think he's mafia for a bull shit vote
You get tilted regardless
You think disformation isn't suspicious
You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious
You say that you are implying they are mafia
You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong
Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic.
Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for. But disformation finds your deflections scummy and has even said so. Why can't he be mafia avoiding a town vs town conflict because that's not what he wants to push or get into? He's just throwing minor accusations around and "doesn't want to make a comment on it yet" which is the exact response I'd expect of a mafia skating by. I'd expect you to be pushing this exact point. I'm gonna let you slide for now because there's always room for improvement. Make a stance on people please with indicative terms like mafia/town/null. That would be useful. At the time when I first posted, disinfo hadn't mentioned anything about finding me scummy. My initial reasoning for why they should find disinfo scummy stems from his initial post, not his posting after that. When you are asking me to explain my reasoning I can't just retroactively add in information to my posts that I didn't have at the time. And come off your high horse. "there's always room for improvement" blah blah blah. Shit like that just pisses me off On December 20 2016 21:18 disformation wrote:So. There was a recent game where exo was lynched D1 as VT. Link to his filterFirst post he claims VT. Gets voted by Calix for that. Immediately OMGUSES Calix. Then he starts to actually play the game. As the time for the lynch approaches: + Show Spoiler +On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:
I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.
I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.
The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:
Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.
Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.
Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window. On November 05 2016 02:46 ExO_ wrote:
TT/Rels/NU should be your prime suspects. Those are my top 3 scum reads.
I also think there would've been a high chance for people to say "skynkx town read ExO at EoD b/c he's scum trying to get town cred". By pointing this out here I no longer think it'll happen. If it does though refer to this Conclusion: There are a bunch of similarities. Esp. at the start of the game. Tonewise I think his tone is way more over the top this game than it was in the game I linked. But as I said again and again: he has absolutely 0 reads this game. Look at his filter. Look at the two posts I quoted. See the difference? Imo ExO_ was actually a pretty easy town read in the game I linked. He had a wonky start, but after that he started actually playing and made good posts. This game we only have a huge appeal to emotion. ##vote ExO_ In fact he actually said later it was my post that gave him the idea to do that: On December 20 2016 22:51 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 22:46 Holyflare wrote:
So you knew exo played liked this before.
You didn't say a word earlier.
You said you didn't want to comment on it.
You made a big post that didn't mention it.
The game isn't in the database so you read it and knew because you were there at the time.
You make that post.
I call you out on the above.
You quote your late cycle post saying you mention it early???? No I had to reread the game? Cause I totally forgot about that game until Rels mentioned and I thought it would be a good idea to look at exos filter again? Cause I totally forgot about that game until Rels mentioned and I thought it would be a good idea to look at exos filter again? Had to look for the game. Took me like 10 mins to find it. Yes. Yes. Yes. (original idea from SL) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 00:10 sicklucker wrote:
I dont think ill lynch anyone but exo or slam today On December 21 2016 00:13 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 20:44 disformation wrote:
And TBH really the two scums are in ExO_, SL, Rels, Slam. This is a very bad path to go. I agree with exo and slam being the most likely. but the chance of them being the two scum out of 9 combiniations of people. And like I said me and rels are town. if you follow this you lose town the game because koshi and hf are crafty scum On December 21 2016 00:15 disformation wrote:
fun facts about slam:
doesnt mention exo even once.
throws a bit of shade in a throwaway post early on SL.
jumps on rels and then me.
not saying anything. just in case exo flips red (which is likely imo). (original idea from Koshi) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 00:24 Koshi wrote:
Could Kmatt and Exo be mafia partners? That little outburst at the start? Was it odd? On December 21 2016 00:34 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 00:24 Koshi wrote:
Could Kmatt and Exo be mafia partners? That little outburst at the start? Was it odd? There was def. something off in that exchange. It is like a reaction bait into a reaction bait into ExO_ being super pissed. And it def. doesnt read super natural. So I am thinking there is probably a scummer in there. Since ExO_ didnt come back to play, but only to fish for feels I am assuming the one scummer is him. For both to be scum I think they have to be cool with Kmatt getting enough cred off that to carry? Or they went to far and dont have the motivation to salvage it? Like Kmatt didnt have a huge thread presence in his other game either, so I dont think him going carry is like a plan. Unless they are like sicklucker and just wanted to do it. Like exo points out a mehish point on Kmatt for disassociation, Kmatt goes right back at him and either ExO_ gets pissed by that, or he tries to fake the game I linked? I guess it is not impossible, but it sounds fairly far fetched for me. On December 21 2016 00:40 disformation wrote:And kmatt is even somewhat deflecting off ppl trying to talk about other lynches: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:24 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt don't be disconnected to what is happening right now. I'm phone posting and it's cold, give me a break. To be honest I don't like where this is going. Looks like a repeat of my NSM game where I was under scrutiny, NocturneMage questioned me gently before levelling off and got someone else lynched. This sudden interest in disinformation, while justifiable, looks like it has mafia influence. Which would mean he is bussing pretty hard and not even looking to trying to deflect. (original idea from Koshi and LS) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 06:56 Koshi wrote:
Maybe we lynch the Slamfish? On December 21 2016 06:57 LightningStrike wrote:I forgot he was even in this game lmao. Will check his filter. On December 21 2016 06:58 disformation wrote:
Well Slam graciously avoided talking about exo at _all_ On December 21 2016 06:59 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 06:58 disformation wrote:
Well Slam graciously avoided talking about exo at _all_ and had a bad post on SL. but some decent once on rels then he votes me and gtfos i think thats his entire filter (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
I think we should lynch kmatt, that re-entry to the thread and saying nothing annoys me On December 21 2016 09:17 disformation wrote:
also starting to get tired.
like i went through kmatts filter and the only thing that you could say is that his filter feels to linear. as in: he "pokes lowhanging fruit" (he even calls exo that). exo explodes and just keeps his vote on him. not much of scumhunting or reads until his list post.
thing is. this progression makes a lot of sense for town too given how exo played and his list post is legit good imo.
wait didnt someone call it bad for some reason? On December 21 2016 09:28 disformation wrote:
Dunno doesnt really feel like a "case" on him.
Still think there is at least 1 scum in kmatt/exo_
not 100% sure we are on the right side, but I still think exo is more likely. margin a bit smaller now though.
do we even have enough ppl to make kmatt a thing? dont think so :/ On December 21 2016 09:29 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 09:28 Kmatt wrote:
Aaaaaaaa now I'm getting cold feet. I liked this better as scum, I never had to think about this. The uncertainty is killing me. I'm going off for a bit, I'll try to be back before the flip in case something comes up. that is like a really odd post. like i kinda agree with the sentiment, but you were super adamant about exo like all damn game long. xD On December 21 2016 09:29 disformation wrote:On December 21 2016 09:28 Kmatt wrote:
Aaaaaaaa now I'm getting cold feet. I liked this better as scum, I never had to think about this. The uncertainty is killing me. I'm going off for a bit, I'll try to be back before the flip in case something comes up. that is like a really odd post. like i kinda agree with the sentiment, but you were super adamant about exo like all damn game long. xD You don't say Kmatt / Rels are scummy (original idea from Koshi) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 17:32 Koshi wrote:
Ok so mafia just thought it was better to lynch ExO over Slam.
For me mafia team is Rels/Kmatt atm.
Disformation might be town.
Sicklucker is confirmed really bad at the game. On December 21 2016 17:33 Koshi wrote:
6.Rels
8. Kmatt
5.sicklucker
9.disformation
7.Holyflare
1.Alakaslam
4.LightningStrike
On December 21 2016 21:24 disformation wrote:I think its kmatt +1. partially because I think that the exo vs kmatt thing was not tvt. another thing is how he approached the exo wagon the whole day and then made quite a few strange posts right before eod after being "Nah exo didnt post anything that changed my mind". something is def. wrong surrounding rels. like the sl mindmeld on him, with rels tring sl super hard. the whole approach on me. he was also pretty waffly on exo at the start right? will be back later to look at some filters in more detail. tbh I am super looking forward to see, who the suspects are going to want to lynch themselves. (original idea from Koshi and Rels) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 17:31 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 11:43 Alakaslam wrote:
Are EL S was saying some stuff, I can't remember squat I just remember being suspicious of him /orgasm You are confirmed town. On December 21 2016 17:33 Koshi wrote:
6.Rels
8. Kmatt
5.sicklucker
9.disformation
7.Holyflare
1.Alakaslam
4.LightningStrike
On December 21 2016 19:18 Rels wrote:
Slam is pretty townie in this interaction with HF post flip On December 21 2016 21:26 disformation wrote:
especially after slam looks a lot better now. (original idea from Koshi and Rels) + Show Spoiler +On December 21 2016 23:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 23:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not ruling out kmatt disfo. He seemed pretty weird around the disfo wagon "all the points on disfo are great but this wagon I'm repeatedly having cold feet about is better!" I am not ruling out LS/HF. But it's pretty low on my probability list. On December 22 2016 00:49 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
Alssooo don't think sl and kmatt are a team based on the way kmatt was explaining all sl's towny intentions at the start of the game good point. Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 23:26 Koshi wrote:On December 21 2016 23:24 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not ruling out kmatt disfo. He seemed pretty weird around the disfo wagon "all the points on disfo are great but this wagon I'm repeatedly having cold feet about is better!" I am not ruling out LS/HF. But it's pretty low on my probability list. Overall I think LS is town, but I wish he had more reads in his filter. Like start of his filter is a bit of interaction/questioning early D1 without conclusions. Though I think that the questions into nothing and him generally not having a lot of formulated reads fit his town meta. Though I agree that he should be low on the priority list. Would like to see more stuff from him though. On December 22 2016 01:06 disformation wrote:
So looking at filters for votes and stuff. part 1.
LS (see my last post): looks more town than scum. not impossible to be scum. like if his partner is on exo and slam is town, he could have been trying to come up with a decent reason to not be on the same wagon. but I dont think his behaviour/tone match up with that.
Slam starts pushing and voting Rels over Rels having a strange/wrong read on me. Rels rectifies his read on me and points out a pretty scummy post by me. Slam votes me and just returns b4 the deadline. still would liked for him to say something about why he was voting me, but in context it makes sense. An analysis on LS and Slam. LS he just talked about it with Koshi. Slam see the previous spoiler where he says Slam is looking better after Koshi and I said it, (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:24 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt don't be disconnected to what is happening right now. I'm phone posting and it's cold, give me a break. To be honest I don't like where this is going. Looks like a repeat of my NSM game where I was under scrutiny, NocturneMage questioned me gently before levelling off and got someone else lynched. This sudden interest in disinformation, while justifiable, looks like it has mafia influence. ![[image loading]](http://www.techsupportforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/alarm-bell-200x200.jpg) Oh baby. On December 22 2016 01:37 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:On December 20 2016 03:24 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt don't be disconnected to what is happening right now. I'm phone posting and it's cold, give me a break. To be honest I don't like where this is going. Looks like a repeat of my NSM game where I was under scrutiny, NocturneMage questioned me gently before levelling off and got someone else lynched. This sudden interest in disinformation, while justifiable, looks like it has mafia influence. Oh baby. btw that was also a pretty good post. guess what kmatts answer was? On December 22 2016 01:40 disformation wrote:ah nope he actually answered it. Though it is super ahrd to discern. answer was this: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:30 Kmatt wrote:
Nothing that anyone has said about disinformation seems wrong. He's definitely contributing less to the discussion. However, for us to go from being mostly in agreement on Exo to an entirely different case out of nowhere seems worng. but yeah I guess I have to take a break. getting confused with that many tabs open. also sl filter not that fun to read. (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler +On December 22 2016 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
If kmatt is mafia I'm safe calling sl town. He also seems not grumpy but he's also self aware of that now so probably means nothing.
I need to look into whether rels has ever mentioned kmatt at all. On December 22 2016 04:30 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
If kmatt is mafia I'm safe calling sl town. He also seems not grumpy but he's also self aware of that now so probably means nothing.
I need to look into whether rels has ever mentioned kmatt at all. He mentions kmatt very early in the post sicklucker mindmelds him for. Asks a few questions of Kmatt. Later: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 18:45 Rels wrote:
Kmatt might be townier that I thought. I didn't like his early posts but that's because I didn't understand the logic. The rest of his filter is pretty natural, especially on exo, and I don't remember Kmatt being a good scum in the last game he played. I will have to reread it at some point to verify that thought. After Kmatts wall: Asks Kmatt a few questions at EoD about ExO_ etc. I think I told Rels that Kmatt was actually pretty good in the last scum game. Not sure if Rels reacted to that. Dont think so. Oh wait he even links it himself: but no comment on contents of that game, from what i have seen. Well I could go on and on. ACTUALLY THAT WAS MY OLD CONCLUSION I DID GO ON AND ON LOL. I SEE THIS PATTERN EVERYWHERE DISFO HAS NEVER HAD AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT DISFO DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO AND ONLY DOES THINGS AFTER SOMEONE ELSE DID IT OR MENTIONNED IT DISFO READS ARE 100% THE AGGLOMERATE OF THE THREAD READS, ESPECIALLY THE THREAD LEADER, AT ALL POINTS EXCEPTIONS: Posts with actual content that I didn't find a match for: On December 21 2016 04:52 disformation wrote:On December 20 2016 13:00 ExO_ wrote:
Just got home from work. Jesus Christ though, this is just like touhou mafia. Scum read on day 1 for bullshit.
'll tell you this much: I'm VT. Every time I've claimed VT on TL mafia forums I have been VT, check for yourself if you don't believe me. Yeah yeah, I'm helping scum blue hunt blah blah blah (though we don't even know if there is a blue in this game) but I feel like this is the best way I can help town. Day 1 is always a shit show. And what you're getting from me is my thoughts as I get them in my head. I'm not carefully thinking them through about how it would make me look, I'm just laying them out. If you want to come up with some bullshit justification for why that makes me scum, then fine. I get tilted and I know it. I also know that it puts me into a great position to look at the thread and gauge the reactions to the scum read of me, and use that information to figure out who might be scum. But I'm not gonna lie right now it's hard to want to do that.
And @rels idk what you were reading, but HF repeatedly asked me about the disinfo thing. It's why I went back to it multiple times to explain to him what he didn't seem to understand. Regardless I was tilted and operating from the assumption that kmatt/Koshi would be scum together. They might not be, but I felt like I was getting gang banged right of the gate by them and I was tunneled on them.
I don't know what else you want from me. I've never been a player (esp on day 1) that's been good at diving filters and pointing out inconsistencies, scum-meta reads, etc...I've always been better at fighting to show others I am town. You might not like it, but that's the player I am. If everyone has already decided that somehow my play this game makes me scum and/or is going to be patronizing assholes (a la HF) then I don't know what else I can do. But if people are actually willing to work with me then I can show that I'm town. On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:
I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.
I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.
The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:
Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.
Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.
Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window. On October 29 2016 20:03 ExO_ wrote:
Why is it I go away for a bit and SL comes in and starts claiming I'm mafia left and right? I'm sorry I'm not the best player in this game but I did at least make an attempt to help town. idk what else you want me to do.
Regardless I still think Tube is mafia. He never did really explain adequately why he moved the way he did. For me that leaves
Tube/Kurumi/SL/Skynx as the most likely list of scum First post is from this game. Second post from the recent NSM where he was town and got ML D1. Last post is from Dota 2 where he was scum. Mind you in that game he died of dmg and was not under universal pressure like here or the NSM. I kinda felt like I was starting to see thing cause I thought for a second that he copied parts of the NSM one into this game. Which proved to be wrong. But another funny thing is: In NSM ppl started scumreading him we he opened with claiming VT. Why does he claim vt here now? That would only make sense if he was trying to invoke feelings from last game. Like "Oh I was claiming VT as town last game and that got me ML D1, lets try to do it here again?" Think it makes more sense for him to do that as scum. And in either case: where are his reads? I feel like timewise he should/would have come back by now and tell us who to lynch. And super ultra nitpick mode: all 3 posts have a variation of "idk what else to do". But the the one in his town game is more like "i tried, but" while in his scum game and this game it is more like "I suck, but". and yeah im somewhat bored. =p It's kinda a copy of his post where he voted ExO, that was after mine, but it is waaaay later so it's a different pattern than every one of his other posts. Every other post I quoted, he talked about something that he just read. This one, nobody was talking about how exo was scummy anymore. So it's different. On December 21 2016 10:49 disformation wrote:
ExO_ (5): Kmatt, Holyflare, Koshi, Rels, sicklucker, disformation, Koshi
Alakaslam (2): Koshi, Koshi, LightningStrike
disformation (1): Holyflare, Koshi, Koshi, Alakaslam
Holyflare (1): ExO_
Kmatt (0): sicklucker
sicklucker (0): Koshi
Rels (0): Alakaslam
Bit of stuff planned tomorrow. Will try to find some time and look at reasons/timings behind the votes. On December 21 2016 11:12 disformation wrote:On December 21 2016 10:49 disformation wrote:
ExO_ (5): Kmatt, Holyflare, Koshi, Rels, sicklucker, disformation, Koshi
Alakaslam (2): Koshi, Koshi, LightningStrike
disformation (1): Holyflare, Koshi, Koshi, Alakaslam
Holyflare (1): ExO_
Kmatt (0): sicklucker
sicklucker (0): Koshi
Rels (0): Alakaslam
Bit of stuff planned tomorrow. Will try to find some time and look at reasons/timings behind the votes. okay general thoughts: at least 1 scum on exo. i know im town. i think hf is town (let me look at his filter tomorrow). so at least one in: kmatt, sl, rels. if its two its not rels and sl. dont think they would hard tr each other over that mindmeld stuff. out of the three remaining players slam obv sticks out the most. and he apparently thought the deadline was later, so he didnt have time to "fix" that. one of ls and koshi might have the tmi factor going, but need to reread. but yeah tomorrow is filter time He was the first to do a colored votecounts. I do this in every one of my scumgames 'cause it's free town cred for 0 risk. TBF I also do this in the majority of my towngames. But the analysis is weak and doubtful. Pretty useless TBF. Like. Reading the thread might help? [/b][/b]
What stops me from marking you scum is that you defended Exo. Granted if you were scum you could have been playing off that you knew he was dead anyway and wanted town cred for it, but you could have gotten away with it with less effort.
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On December 23 2016 02:13 sicklucker wrote:
can we lynch both of them? hedge are bets
That won't really work due to majority lynch. Either you bandwagon me or we all jump ship to LS.
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On December 23 2016 02:17 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 02:14 Kmatt wrote:On December 23 2016 02:13 sicklucker wrote:
can we lynch both of them? hedge are bets That won't really work due to majority lynch. Either you bandwagon me or we all jump ship to LS. See with posts like this i kinda feel he is just completely lost in this game without teammates / a coach. Like is that possible to fake?
How am I "lost"? I mean I can entertain the thought of being seen as scum, but passing on a lynch is always bad, right?
If we lynch without confidence there's a low% chance that we ML. If we don't lynch at all there's a 0% chance of hitting scum, and mafia won't NK themselves either.
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On December 23 2016 02:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 02:21 Kmatt wrote:On December 23 2016 02:17 disformation wrote:On December 23 2016 02:14 Kmatt wrote:On December 23 2016 02:13 sicklucker wrote:
can we lynch both of them? hedge are bets That won't really work due to majority lynch. Either you bandwagon me or we all jump ship to LS. See with posts like this i kinda feel he is just completely lost in this game without teammates / a coach. Like is that possible to fake? How am I "lost"? I mean I can entertain the thought of being seen as scum, but passing on a lynch is always bad, right? If we lynch without confidence there's a low% chance that we ML. If we don't lynch at all there's a 0% chance of hitting scum, and mafia won't NK themselves either. ignore the scrubs that are not on LS. Can you tell me why Rels and Sicklucker are not a mafia team?
The obvious answer would be that Rels was super open about how SL is townie despite not having any hard read on him day1. He later eases into SL being potential scum but not scummy enough to vote on. We could WIFOM it all day but it seems to me that neither of them are working towards the same goal. I don't think there's any proof that they're not a team but that's not how burden of proof works anyway.
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Or for a simpler answer: I don't think SL is scum so he can't be on the team.
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On December 23 2016 07:23 disformation wrote:
Kmatt just confuses the living hell out of me atm. Like cant figure out if this is how he rolls as town or if he is trying to yolo wtf his way through another day.
No that's pretty much it. No rainbows here I'm afraid.
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On December 23 2016 07:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 03:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 23 2016 01:38 Holyflare wrote:
Ummm didn't you just call me mafia kmatt? Also wtf happened to your sl read??
It looks like you're just bandwagoning along for the hell of it
Oh right I forgot about you.
Unfortunately there's only room for two mafia in this game so unless you and #2 are playing completely around each other I don't see where you'd fit in, as much as I dislike your play.
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On December 23 2016 07:55 disformation wrote:
So you are basically saying you think HF is the third most scummy person?
I don't really think my ranking list applies anymore (and while we're at it, sir-????s-a-lot, I read my list from top to bottom. Scumslip of the year, I know). I'm just hedging my ever-so-valuable bet on LS for the time being. Unless someone makes an unbelievably stupid post I doubt I could start a new train that would satisfy you enough to jump ship so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I took the gamble and lost.
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On December 23 2016 08:03 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2016 07:52 Kmatt wrote:On December 23 2016 07:45 Holyflare wrote:On December 23 2016 03:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 23 2016 01:38 Holyflare wrote:
Ummm didn't you just call me mafia kmatt? Also wtf happened to your sl read??
It looks like you're just bandwagoning along for the hell of it Oh right I forgot about you. Unfortunately there's only room for two mafia in this game so unless you and #2 are playing completely around each other I don't see where you'd fit in, as much as I dislike your play. Who is your #2 and why is it bull shit? How have you gone from calling LightningStrike your top town that's naive and innocent to voting him d2 based on nothing?
#2 is the hypothetical scum partner I'm saying you don't have.
On December 23 2016 08:04 Holyflare wrote:
I don't believe anything you write. Nothing is substantiated whatsoever.
That would explain why you keep asking me questions to which you insist I respond.
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So I just got back from work. What did I miss this time? I swear this game goes better the less I touch it.
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I mean I can see that people jumped on LS and he was a goon but was there anything huge?
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Alright whatever I can read things. It looks like Lightningstrike started pushing that Sicklucker was the vote towards his death. I can't tell if that's because he was buying SL what towncred he could before death or if he genuinely wanted that mislynch. This post confuses me though:
On December 24 2016 08:09 LightningStrike wrote:
Sicklucker is mafia with Kmatt being a close 2nd and HF if HF lives past Day 3 unless the scum team is full of jackasses.
So "we" (I) know that he's full of it when saying that I'm mafia here and that post was clearly bull in hindsight. Do you think that's enough to take SL and HF off the hook? Maybe I'm WIFOMing too much here but if I were in LS' position, with the knowledge that I was about to flip red, my first goal would be to paint my teammate green however possible.
However HF posts how he wants to follow up the lynch going into SL (and then me). Going off of that I have to give HF the pass. SL is also still pushing me, but I can't find fault for that from a town perspective. Looking at his wall even closer to the lynch he leaves us with:
On December 24 2016 10:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Koshi: Town self explaintory
Slam: Town looked better after the ExO lynch with his responses to koshi
rels: Scum if alive around Day 4/5: He a good player but he also did his own thing and made a decent case on disformation
HF: Scum if alive past Day 3 or the scum team is so shit because he should never be alive past Day 3 as town due to him being one of the best players in tl mafia history.
disformation: Probable mafia: See rels case it's decent enough.
Kmatt: Scum: Probably was coached on how to fake dumb tells his leaps on his reads and shit were so unnatural.
Sicklucker: Lynch with fire scum: See my meta case on sicklucker.
Can we trust/infer anything from this? Maybe I'm projecting my "paint teammate green" thing too hard, but I can't see any other motivation in laying out these reads moments before death.
On December 24 2016 03:14 Koshi wrote:
All others played well enough to not get lynched.
Can we be real for a sec
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On December 24 2016 14:35 Kmatt wrote:
However HF posts how he wants to follow up the lynch going into SL (and then me). Going off of that I have to give HF the pass.
On second thought I think I may shut my mouth until morning.
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On December 24 2016 22:49 Koshi wrote:
Kmatt what does "painting green" means and how do you do that?
A term I invented on the spot for acting against a player who's on your scumteam to make him look town after you flip.
For example, if I got lynched day 1 and came up red, no one in the right mind would immediately suspect Exo. That potentially buys him a good two days' worth of town cred so long as he doesn't do anything extreme.
As for SL... I want to hear this one. If you're really going to claim doctor, who did you save night one? And more importantly, why did you choose them to save?
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My example of me "painting" exo is a little more extreme than normal but basically trying and failing to mislynch your partner.
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Okay I like most of what you say but since I'm told there are only two mafia in this game and one of them is LS, who are you advocating we lynch?
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(sorry I started typing before you posted)
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These posts are kind of throwing me for a loop here.
Rels: You think Disinformation is mafia and SL is town
Disinformation: You think Rels is scum and SL is town
SL: Rels is scum and disinformation is town
Did I get that all straight?
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On December 28 2016 07:54 Kmatt wrote:
These posts are kind of throwing me for a loop here.
Rels: You think Disinformation is mafia and SL is town
Disinformation: You think Rels is scum and SL is town
SL: Rels is scum and disinformation is town
Did I get that all straight?
Wait reverse SL, you like Rels and not Disinformation, right?
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I'm catching up now but still confused why we didn't get around to voting SL. He's WIFOM to the max and that doesn't look like it will change by tomorrow. I can see why people are voting Rels but with the majority vote I can't help but feel like I'm being swept along too easily to get the vote count. I'll vote since it's getting close and I might not be home by them but I want to give SL and whoever survives the next night or two between Rels and HF a good read over.
##vote rels
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On December 28 2016 09:52 sicklucker wrote:
if kmatt is mafai and rels is town then I have been right all game and might win that gay points system thing. so thats a plus
Is that to say you think one of us has to be scum?
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On December 28 2016 09:54 Holyflare wrote:
Sl claimed medic kmatt why would you want to lynch him?
Am I expected to think his claim was real? Or did he prove/explain it better in the last few pages that I somehow missed?
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When he says "we" I think he means town.
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Inb4 someone switches vote 30 seconds to cutoff.
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Wirh 1 scum that would actually be insane towncred if you stopped the vote in time. Of course, assuming Rels is scum it doesn't work but if I were scum here I would totally do it.
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Also I called it so no points for you.
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Wow I'm actually kind of disappointed. I was going over all these scenarios to write out during the night that could have solved the game. I thought I could redeem myself but I'll take being carried to a win.
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