EPT[M][T] Host's Revenge Mafia
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On December 27 2016 10:28 Time Traveler wrote: I see. I wonder if I could get punished for not being 100% aware of the Mechanics  If you got punished for not being aware of mechanics I would've been banned out of virtually every mafia game I've played. I have a bad history of not reading. However, I'm not convinced you aren't a Hydra that you've never played on TL before and are honestly just a newbie. Sell me | ||
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On December 27 2016 10:32 Koshi wrote: I am town but don't expect much. I am going to play super low post style. I won't be pushing the game forward at all. Just going to do some analysis from time to time. We will see how it goes. I will post enough so that you should be able to correctly deduct my alignment. But meta activity wise I am always be scum. ##Vote: Koshi You're literally calling yourself scum with your opening post, as if that should excuse scummy behavior. Not good enough for me | ||
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On December 27 2016 10:49 Time Traveler wrote: I don't know people's meta here, but if your first post in the game is saying that you're going to be inactive... HUH. THAT'S BAD. answer my question please | ||
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On December 27 2016 11:15 Time Traveler wrote: I'm not a total noob, but I am from another mafia site. If you don't believe me, you're free to ask the Host (if that's possible) if not, you'll just have to believe me. which site? | ||
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On December 27 2016 11:28 Grackaroni wrote: I don't have much of an opinion on anything so far. If Koshi is town we should see bursts of townieness regardless of what he said earlier. Right, but the koshi coming in saying he's town but going to be afk-ish reminds me of dota 2 mafia Koshi: He felt demotivated the entire time. He was able to step it up as he played on though. Compare that to his play in Liquidmania. He's loud and in your face and obnoxious as hell, and town. Demotivated afkish Koshi = Scum. Coming in and saying he's going to behave like scum makes me think he actually is scum | ||
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On December 27 2016 11:28 Grackaroni wrote: I don't have much of an opinion on anything so far. If Koshi is town we should see bursts of townieness regardless of what he said earlier. Also I haven't played with you on TL mafia before. Are you from this site and before my considerably limited time, or did you come from another site? | ||
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that you aren't answering. and I don't know why. It serves no purpose for us to get hung up on this though, so please tell me why you don't wanna tell me which site, or tell me which site, please. | ||
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On December 27 2016 11:35 Grackaroni wrote: Koshi's Dota 2 opener wasn't like this game. His start looks to me more like the posts you are expecting from town-Koshi. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafia?user=Koshi He started off very demotivated in that game. Slowly over time he began to post more, but not in the same style of town Koshi. Town Koshi is antagonist, a bit tunnely and really ragey. His posts in dota 2 mafia weren't like that in my opinion. I'll admit once I was killed in that game I didn't pay as much attention to his play, but I think that is irrelevant to the point I'm making here. | ||
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Trying to ride my coattails with that mocking jay to get a goody basket I see | ||
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On December 27 2016 11:58 Tictock wrote: You don't read Koshi off one post where he says he might not be too active. You read him based on what he follows up that one post with. Also he's been rolling town lately, so if he rolled Scum he could prob pull out the activity if need be. Basically it is too early to read Koshi. Exo not playing like total lynchbait is a bit more sus in my mind, but he is setting the bar for activity right now... Let's wait till he goes to bed, yell at him for not being around, then lynch him. #day1plays Interesting, why would my play so far make you think I'm scum? Your post goes roughly like "ExO is scummy, but here's this reason why he isn't scummy" Kinda not taking a stance either way while leaving room for you to claim you went either way in the future, don't ya think? | ||
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really? thats all you have to offer? Could you idk make an attempt at trying? | ||
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On December 27 2016 12:15 Grackaroni wrote: Any reason for choosing Koshi over Slam? if you were choosing somebody to lynch right now who would you choose? | ||
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On December 27 2016 12:15 LightningStrike wrote: I also really liking ExO already too he trying to push a town agenda and get this game rolling off the bat. I'm made uncomfortable with you liking me. Last game you liked me and were scum, though the circumstances there were very different. | ||
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On December 27 2016 12:30 Grackaroni wrote: I think you seem pretty townish so far, but I'll have to check whatever game TickTock was referencing. Besides that I have no reads. I've been lynched day 1 the past 2/3 games I've played, and I react poorly. Both times I basically walked into the thread and was immediately scum read and gang-banged. Both times I claimed, and was VT. | ||
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On December 27 2016 13:00 Alakaslam wrote: Use other game meta!!! :D :D Ayyyyyyy lmao Your a complete crapshoot from what I can remember. Right now I'd vote you if I didn't think Koshi was the better vote at the moment | ||
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On December 27 2016 13:12 darthfoley wrote: Yup the votes on Koshi are silly. Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it. Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays. I prefer Grack so far to be most town I want to know, so I know what to compare it to (and in the case of timetraveler to figure out if its a smurf or not). And it's hardly the only thing I'm asking for. The votes on Koshi are silly thus far? Then you think this is consistent with his town play? Or do you have somebody you are scum reading harder? | ||
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On December 27 2016 13:34 darthfoley wrote: Well generally I think voting off of one post is a little much. I share your concern, considering Koshi's usual town play style is aggressive and quite good, but there's so much time left in the day. I like Grack because he pointed out that people are putting pressure on Koshi, but not Alakaslam even though they had similar openings. Why? I'm not able to get a good read on slam, b/c I feel like slam is always like this (from my personal experience). Grack doesn't appear to be scum hunting, or even remotely interested in scum hunting. Look at how he responds to my questioning of him: by town reading me and that's it. I don't think voting Koshi was a bad place to start. If you were lynching someone right now, who would you choose and why? | ||
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On December 27 2016 13:35 darthfoley wrote: I just don't understand the point of asking someone if they're smurfing. If they're smurfing, why would they tell you? Isn't that the whole point of smurfing Fair enough, I didn't think it through. My initial reaction is if they're lying about smurfing, they could be lying about anything else and therefore not worth trusting. Timetravelers unwillingness to work with me doesn't sit well with me, but as I noted earlier isn't worth harping on. | ||
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On December 27 2016 13:41 darthfoley wrote: I appreciate your aggressiveness but like half the game hasn't posted yet, so current reads are very shallow. Off the top of my head, my most lynchable would pr Badly be LS. "most lynchable" is an interesting way to phrase it. I don't like it | ||
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##Vote TickTock I'm not happy with Koshi's entrance, but I'm less pleased with ticktock's play. If you look at his entrance, he comes with a random push on to slot 7. Then defends Koshi's horrible entry post, while trying to put suspicion onto me while not comitting to it. He's confirmed he's reading the thread. And yet he's not scum hunting. He's not town-reading or scum-reading anyone. It's early game I get that, but I ask myself: is ticktock's entry into the thread coming from a town motivated place? I do not think so. | ||
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On December 27 2016 15:24 Tictock wrote: @Exo I am coming from a Tictock motivated place ATM. I almost never seriously play the game in the first half of D1. That's fine. But there's no guarantee for me that a ticktock motivated place isn't a scum motivated place as well. And my vote isn't going to move for right now. Right now out of everyone in this thread you look the scummiest to me. | ||
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On December 27 2016 15:28 darthfoley wrote: Ticktock's entrance is definitely different than usual. However, motivated TT also makes me happy. Anyone feel like ExO is trying a little too hard to scum hunt? I know the D1 lynch thing is becoming a meme, but uber aggression is not what I associated with his town play (from what i've seen). I do find this post a bit odd, however. sentence one implies i'm towny, sentence two implies no one is towny? you can believe what you want. I know in this setup it doesn't mean as much, but literally every time I've claimed VT on TL mafia forums I've been VT. This is no different. it helps that I'm with Family I don't have access to my primary computer (ie I can't play dota or civ). So I'm sitting here in the thread while watching tv waiting for ASL | ||
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On December 27 2016 15:33 Tictock wrote: Did you ever answer my question about what has happened thus far that you think people should have reads about? Koshi's Entrance, Slam's Entrance, My initial push onto Koshi, Lightning Strike's posts The people defending Koshi The list goes on. Have you nothing to comment on? | ||
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On December 27 2016 15:44 Tictock wrote: Oh sorry, I thought I'd hit post a few times earlier today. Musta been daydreaming on the job again. I'm gunna go reread the thread to make sure I'm actually in this game. Clever, and yet you haven't commented on anything I listed here. You can be sarcastic, but you are blatantly trying to dodge right now | ||
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On December 27 2016 15:54 Tictock wrote: Actually I'm pretty sure I made comments or am material of half the stuff on your list Should double check, because I think you're dreaming up those posts. They certainly aren't posted in this thread | ||
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On December 27 2016 16:08 darthfoley wrote: So ExO, what are your reads? It's only fair to ask you considering your aggressive posture so far. I'm sure you've garnered lots of informations I find it really odd that you include yourself in that buddy triangle. I certainly never did. Up until this point, you were one of my strongest town reads. and I want to say you still are. But something about auto-associating yourself in a group that I never associated you with reads odd to me. Strongest Scum Read is tick tock. Grack I'm scum reading as well. I'm null on slam, because I've found his play nonsensical and unreadable in the past. Koshi I lean scum, but I'm more interested in getting him to post more. The only strong town read I had was you DarthFoley. You're the only other person who I think is actively scum hunting, and questioning everything. But why, why did you throw yourself in that buddy ring and say I was the one putting you there....it makes no sense to me | ||
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Koshi's is different in that he's already making excuses. Even saying it'll look like he's scum. That's not just a normal entry into the thread. | ||
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On December 27 2016 16:29 darthfoley wrote: So I wasn't lumping myself into your buddy framework On December 27 2016 16:06 darthfoley wrote: I also don't agree with ExO's framing of me/grack/TT yes you were | ||
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Which in my mind, means you were already thinking of some combination of you, grack and/or TT as a team when you made the post. Now why would that be? | ||
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Disinfo trying to get a joke lynch on me going doesn't seem towny at all to me. Does anybody get town vibes at all from him? Because I don't see it. Hard choice between TT and disinfo for me right now. I'd be okay with lynching either Also for those paying attention chez should be confirmed town, for a reason that I'm not sure is fair. But all is fair amongst siblings I guess. Though I feel like mentioning this borders on breaking the laws we're supposed to create, I feel like I must mention it. | ||
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On December 28 2016 05:27 Grackaroni wrote: It's silly role PM stuff. And we're good anyway -Initial Role PM's will show name of role (lore and mafia wise) and a bit of favor background. Mafia knows what both PM's say. I didn't realize that mafia had that information too | ||
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Disinfo right now I do not think your posts have helped town at all. But indulge me. If you really aren't scum and are just town playing "HURR DURR IM SARCASTIC ON DAY1" then tell me your read on TickTock and why | ||
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On December 28 2016 06:07 darthfoley wrote: Also haven't been a huge fan of Dis, but can you explain or quote to your reasoning on TT? I think he's one of the townier people so far. Early on he implied I could be scum, but wouldn't commit to a scum read of me. I then repeatedly asked him to give reads and he said there wasn't anything to give reads on. I then pointed out several things I wanted reads on, and he said hee already gave reads on him. I feel like I poked and prodded him, and he refuses to scum hunt. Would rather just coast through day 1 and let whatever happen b/c "hurr durr day 1". | ||
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Problem is I'm starting to see scum everywhere. TT/Disinfo/Grack/Superbia all look scummy to me Slam looks like trolly garbage Chezinu/BTDT aren't active, and GB isn't much better. only strong town read I have is DF, though I still have concerns about what played out earlier. Koshi I could see going either way, though his strong town read of me as usual concerns me. Last game he was on the fence about me right away, and though I've been more active here I don't think Koshi has. Therefore I have to ask myself why exactly is he so sure I'm town right now? Could be mafia looking to buddy up to me. L.S. doesn't look great either Think I've got to relook at TT/Grack because at least they are comparably active. | ||
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His post looks good, but look at how he's playing this game. He's not posting with fire or over the top bravado. He's saying good shit, but he's not playing with that huge umpf that he plays with as town. He's antagonizing nobody. This still doesn't look like town Koshi to me, it reminds me so much of dota 2 mafia. Still I don't wanna get tunneled all in on this theory 100% yet. I think we should come together as town and get rid of either slam or chezinu for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Alakaslam | ||
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On December 29 2016 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: That is like playing darts and hope you hit a bulleyes. I think we should lynch into Grack or Koshi atm. On the contrary, it's making a safer play. Going with grack or Koshi is closer to your darts scenario. However you think Grack or Koshi? Make a case, and tell me which you'd prefer | ||
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On December 29 2016 01:40 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi, I was usually the player that starts thread discussion, I know where you're coming from, but I don't think it looked like he was getting behind real suspicions. It actually looked like to me that he was just trying to look contributive without actually being committed to what he was pushing If we are not lynching him we should lynch disformation GB do you believe that load of bullshit you just spouted? You think I was trying to look contributive without being committed to who I was pushing. It's day 1, the thread was dead and I did everything in my power to get people talking and I think it largely worked. Did you want me to pick 1 player and tunnel them into oblivion? Do you not want me to consider the possibility that other players might be mafia? And where were you? You didn't do anything to get the thread going. Anything you are saying about me could be applied to you twice as hard. Really wanna vote GB now | ||
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On December 29 2016 02:12 darthfoley wrote: People we shouldn't lynch today: Koshi GB TT ExO Chez? I'm Grack? The problem is that my list of D1 of off limits people is quite small. I was town reading Grack earlier, but I do need to reread his filter. Also don't necessarily trust Koshi at this point, do not sure. Either way I think there are better lynches today. We have two people who are so sick they can't play! While that may be true, it's also such a mafia play. Especially getting sick on lynch day. Especially when they both say, "it's fine if you lynch me." I know it's WIFOMy but I kinda don't mind policy lynching people who tell me to lynch them. These would be Superbia and disformation. Atm I also think Time Traveler is a good lynch. I don't remember him adding anything to the game-- not even trolling. Could easily be mafia Alakaslam is also a good lynch. I hate wasting lynches on trolly people but we don't have a vigi currently and who knows what our glorious hosts may grace us with. If we do get something like a vigi, perhaps we wait on Slam. Btdt... well, he might just get modkilled. Nothing to say about someone who hasn't posted once since confirming. Find this very odd considering you have to confirm to have the game start. why shouldn't we lynch chez? I put him in the same boat as slam, I'd like to hear why you think we should spare him | ||
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On December 29 2016 03:04 Koshi wrote: This is my last post this cycle. I would enjoy it if you lynch within my top 4 names. What a wonderful non-post. I'd be okay with Koshi lynch after this. so for me: Slam/Chez/Koshi are who I think we should lynch | ||
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On December 29 2016 03:19 LightningStrike wrote: Dis and ExO why not lynch Grack? Because I'm not convinced enough that he's scum yet. The biggest thing I found scummy about him was his buddying with TT, and his post count that doesn't really scum hunt or drive town forward in any way. But I don't think I'm okay lynching him today when he's at least talking a decent amount. The fact that Koshi wants to lynch him also makes me think me want to hold off on a grack lynch. | ||
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On December 29 2016 03:33 LightningStrike wrote: You just admitted he didn't do scum hunting don't you think very scum indicative? It's like you didn't read my post. I literally just expained why I'm not comfortable with grack as the lynch today. Do you see something that I'm missing? I'd like to hear it if so | ||
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On December 29 2016 04:59 GlowingBear wrote: I did exactly the opposite of pushing everywhere, how come you can say that everything I say can be said against me twice as hard? Lol This kind of logic that makes me think you're mafia. You take a post, exaggerate it and use it to call anyone Mafia. You know, it's really easy to call anyone mafia. Sometimes I do that as Mafia because it's very easy and people will call me town for the same bullshit for why they are calling you town. Yes, I am considering other people being Mafia. I've already told the thread I would lynch Disformation. You're misrepresenting what I said (or are too stupid to comprehend it). I never said you were pushing everywhere, I implied the opposite. You accused me of trying to look contributive without contributing. I've contributed at least twice the amount you have. I got in and drove up a dead thread, while you sat around and did nothing. | ||
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On December 29 2016 07:55 Tictock wrote: He came in to say he forgot about the game and waste a vote on me. I'm pointing out that he confirmed on Monday and so he 100% knew the game was starting. k Good enough for me | ||
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Either way I guess I'm okay with this | ||
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I think I like Koshi. Again everything I said about Koshi still stands. Town Koshi is in your face and loud and proud, and here he's kinda just "meh'. His post count is really low too. I'm not 100% sure, but I think I'd prefer Koshi to btdt at this point. I feel like its riskier to go with Koshi over chez/slam/btdt/insert other inac here but he just feels like scummy to me. | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh c'mon. Yes, I confirmed 2 days ago. Then, I had christmas dinner with gf's family, spent a nice time with her, she went home to my place with me and we continued having a nice time. Nail me on that if you feel like it and don't believe that I genuinely forgot about this game, okay. But lynching into me is the easiest thing to do for scum at this point. Check my last town game and check my activity level there. I can and will contribute for town in the exact same way if you give me the chance to do so. There's no way I will catch up in the like what 30 minutes or so we have until deadline. Tictock, the whole reason behind you voting me is that my vote was randomly cast on you.I checked if there was a main wagon, there wasn't, so I voted randomly. More important even: as there seemingly aren't any clear wagons and town feels confident in lynching into afk/lurky players, I fear that mafia is currently in the driving seat of this game. Which leads my gut to Koshi who went under the radar pretty much ALWAYS when town was on the wrong track. I correctly read him as scum once already so I guess it's worth something. Koshi has 1 filter, compared to his last town game of D1 that's horrendous. Also note Time Traveler's vote on me and keep a close look on ANYONE that voted me early as I am right now a very low hanging fruit for mafia and lazy town alike. you have 2 posts in this game, that you confirmed in to. You promising to be active now doesn't really convince me you will be. Why are you just coming out and voting now that its been mentioned you need 3 posts? | ||
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@btdt why are you proposing a vote on koshi, and then mention only disinfos filter in your follow-up post? | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:26 darthfoley wrote: Grack, ExO: what do you guys think about going Koshi? I am most comfortable with LS or Koshi ATM. I'm okay with going Koshi, as I was saying. I kinda didn't wanna say anything until after btdt had a chance to explain why he wanted to push koshi, then only talked about disinfo's filter but I'd be fine with going Koshi at this point | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:28 beentheredonethat wrote: You voted me without explanation. "Random" as you say. That means you didn't have a real clue who to vote on. Then, you unvote as soon as I drop one post and say "uhhh I still dunno". That's not townie TimeTraveler is a newbie. He might be scum, but thus far I'm willing to chalk up his D1 play to be new townie. That doesn't hold up for me after today but he gets a pass for d1 in my book | ||
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Koshi has 1 page of filter, is completely out of the thread, and had a weak case on grack. Then peaced out. That's it. I think he's our best bet here | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:36 Time Traveler wrote: Can anyone repeat why Koshi is being voted again? Koshi is a well-known player on TL mafia. He can be very antagonistic but he can also be right. My thinking is this: Koshi has 1 page of filter. That's incredibly low activity, esp for Koshi. Koshi makes a bad case on grack and doesn't really try past that. His posts aren't getting in anybody's face (which is my impression of his town meta) but instead he's acting disinterested and not passionate (what I think his scum meta is like based on his scum play in dota 2 mafia). Therefore I think he's our best bet right now. I'm not as sold on LS at the moment | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:42 disformation wrote: man. do I really want to lynch Koshi D1? Look at Koshi's play so far. Now tell me who would be a better D1 lynch right now | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:43 Time Traveler wrote: BtDt, be honest, you just want to lynch me because I voted you without saying anything and caused all this mess by accident. And now you're like "OMG. THIS GUY ALMOST GOT ME KILLED. #DOWNWITHHIM welcome to OMGUS just relax on it. What do you think about lynching Koshi/LS/or someone else? | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:44 Time Traveler wrote: Also, I voted Superbia because I don't expect him to be voted by anyone else. So you can consider that a null vote. Why would you actively want to waste your vote, and what gave you the expectation that nobody else would vote him? | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:45 beentheredonethat wrote: Yes. I'm confident he'll flip scum. How the hell can you be confident of anything when you've been in the thread for less than an hour? | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:47 Time Traveler wrote: Maybe you want to not use something in order to not cause harm and you don't know how to use it correctly, than incorrectly use it. I hope that made sense. And no one is voting him, so I guess he won't be killed. I think you should get a vote on who you think is most likely to be scum. Right now Either L.S. or Koshi. Who do you think is scummier out of those 2, b/c right now I cant see another wagon gaining enough traction to get votes swapped with only 10 minutes left. That said I think Koshi is the best lynch, and where you should put your vote | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:50 disformation wrote: yo guys if you want to ml me, please do so D1, cause I dont think ill have much fun with you guys the next days. The hell kind of post is this? | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:54 darthfoley wrote: I'm staying on Koshi unless it becomes an LS wagon. you need to ##Unvote and ##Vote Koshi right now you are still on LS | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:56 darthfoley wrote: Why is Grack not voting Koshi after getting lots of us to vote Koshi? A very good question, esp after he said it was "his goal" to get Koshi lynched. I asked him, still hasn't responded | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:57 Grackaroni wrote: I'm feeling nervous about how easily this lynch is happening when so many people were hard townreading Koshi when I started posting today. who was hard town reading Koshi, and wtf do you mean how easily this is happening? | ||
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On December 29 2016 09:14 Superbia wrote: I set my mental alarm clock for the worst lynch of 2016. Just in time for 2017 then where the hell were you trying to change something? You can't play like you did D1 then comment like this after the lynch. | ||
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On December 29 2016 09:19 Superbia wrote: Yes I can. There were so many questionable people and koshi was the most townie Koshi was the most townie? Are you kidding me? Koshi was definitely not the most townie player here todday | ||
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On December 29 2016 09:22 Superbia wrote: I got a pr btw. I'll claim it tomorrow when/how did you get it? | ||
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Oh well. I'm going to continue claiming VT. I'll be honest I feel like playing civ and not looking at this game too much (there's so much wtf shit going on), but I'll pipe back up either tonight or tomorrow. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
darthfoley Koshi Superbia Time Traveler I think we should all lynch Koshi immediately, what do you think? | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On January 09 2017 17:34 Koshi wrote: Plebeians are always jealous and simply do not understand their place in the world. PS: It is at my feet. I say the Plebeians should put you back in your place in | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
lets get this over with Koshi is evil | ||
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ExO_
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On January 09 2017 20:02 Superbia wrote: I believe I am with you, ExO. You would make a good leader imo, if you're voting Koshi too then we're set | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On January 09 2017 20:17 Koshi wrote: LoL... Well hosts fucked up. Quite amazing to tell me nothing about the setup in a lovers game. Claiming 3p. I don't exactly know what happens when it is 2vs2 in the night. Tell me what exactly it is you do in the night. I 100% believe you are 3p, but I wasn't aware we really had things that happened during the night | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
wow Koshi caught not reading the game rules | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
whatever I'm going to sleep for now | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
##exile: koshi | ||
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