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On November 29 2016 08:03 Onegu wrote:
That has LoL in it

#unvote

#vote: LightningStrike

He just scum claimed for real posting that here.

On November 29 2016 08:27 emperorchampion wrote:


Heyo! I think your last game might have been my last also?

Anyhoo, yeah it seems pretty jokey. The lol thing might be taking it a bit tooo far, but idk yet. Never played with onegu before, but from what I've heard I am now supposed to read him based on meta.

I'm willing to throw some town points at Gu, singular, for the clown face smiley he posted tho

On November 29 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:

I am awesome like always. Rolled 4 times mafia in a row, won 3 times, lost last game in a last second lynch or I would won as well.

But nothing compares to be able to play town and find mafia. I didn't play town for something like 5 months or longer. I am finally excited again. Great feeling.


I missed you LS. What have you been up to?

On November 29 2016 08:57 emperorchampion wrote:


Indeed, colour me as interested in those reasons!

On November 29 2016 08:59 Koshi wrote:

Town has been bleeding entire 2016. Couple great wins but abysmal record. Let's all just be supertownie and take this one ezpz.

On November 29 2016 09:04 sicklucker wrote:


trust you how?

On November 29 2016 09:04 Koshi wrote:

Like I said. I am always awesome.

On November 29 2016 09:12 Koshi wrote:

Because he will be awesome?

On November 29 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:

How so? I recognize myself in his all-over-the-place posts, and he's the townierest dude itt.

Also, this is a town post, mang

On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt.

Look at his entry:

He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness.

That looks forced.

On November 29 2016 09:35 Onegu wrote:



Lies that is the most town post in this game!



Last gif to lazy and to old

On November 29 2016 09:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Fair enough.

Though in regards to 2), wouldn't you say your earlier posts about how town'll play the game to be tryhard albeit a bit trollsome with the awesome part? They kindda set the tone for a tryhard game is what I'm trying to say.


"Scum can make [this type of posts]" can be said of any post. Unless you can quote a scummer saying this type of thing, my point stands.

On February 28 2016 03:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey guys I here now I was busy and now I here what up?

On November 29 2016 09:47 Onegu wrote:



No where near the same thing LS I said hey where is everyone you said Hi Im here now....

On November 29 2016 09:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Ehhhh, not quite the same vibe.

Your quoted post's tone is what makes it fucking mafia. You're acting all nicey-nice with the "Hey guys" and "what up" and giving an excuse for why you weren't there with the busy part. Onegu's post is not that. I don't think mafia would have made this post this early cus they would profit from inactivity and do not care about it.

Also, no, I have not read any of your games.

On November 29 2016 10:01 Tictock wrote:


I was moreso pointing out the hypocrasy in his calling Onegu tryhard yet being fairly tryhard himself than calling Koshi scum.

But you are not wrong. Scum!koshi would prob have a rough time keeping it up 5 games in a row.

Unless...

On November 29 2016 10:05 LightningStrike wrote:

All scum games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/471489-student-mafia-iv-new-newish-players-welcome?user=LightningStrike Goon Lynched D3 First Ever scum game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrike Goon Survived N3 (won)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike Goon Lynched D2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=LightningStrike Witch Hunter Lynched D1
Some Town games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/499399-tl-mafia-lxxiii-the-nutcracker?user=LightningStrike Cop Survived D4
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494873-battle-of-the-drams-mafia?user=LightningStrike VT Survived D4
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=LightningStrike Pope killed N3
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509751-names-are-hard-mini-mafia?user=LightningStrike Wandering Townie Killed N5
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/507600-cap-tortoise-mafia?user=LightningStrike VT Killed N2 Best game for me.

On November 29 2016 10:07 darthfoley wrote:
Howdy y'all

I decree that no one is allowed to town read LS for random shit capslock posts. Throwback to the cell mafia game; still a little salty about that.

slight town lead on NU/Koshi/mahrgell. I agreed with NU's point on LS in that it seemed a bit forced; don't understand the need to clarify when you last played. Koshi's intro play seems standard town and similar to the one game I've played with him. mahrgell's entrance reminds me of his town play last game.

Don't like emperor so far. Filter complete shite, though it's pretty early game. Same for siclucker; reminds me a bit of his cell mafia play early on iirc. I generally don't like trolly playstyles, so not sure what to make of Onegu so far. At least he's active.

On November 29 2016 10:09 darthfoley wrote:
Also don't get great vibes from LS. Seems like he's a bit too ready to defend with previous games links and scum entrances-- like stemming the criticism before it gets too much attention. On the other hand, it's useful for meta purposes... though he's proven to be able to break meta analysis before as mafia.

On November 29 2016 10:11 darthfoley wrote:
Idk maybe i'm just lazy but other people can look my games up if they're that concerned with my meta. I wouldn't feel the need to be defensive yet helpful as scum. The double bluff?!

On November 29 2016 10:17 mahrgell wrote:
Well LS...
Instead of linking all those great threads...

What is your approach to helping town this game?

So far you have:
- defended yourself against I dont know what
- said Hi to everybody few times

Both is nothing bad, but as I feel not much motivation to read all your linked games, and meta changes anyway... Just share the "town meta" you wanna apply this game.

On November 29 2016 10:25 darthfoley wrote:


Think I've provided plenty of thoughts and you artificially asking me for more at this point in the game is odd.

What are your condensed thoughts so far?

On November 29 2016 10:30 darthfoley wrote:
No one is worse than null*

On November 29 2016 10:32 mahrgell wrote:
Was trying to remember who else posted and wasn't really noticed...

emps filter is trash, even for D1 standards.
Hello here, hello there, spammy link, spammy video, apologizes for not being there before (was walking home), still not being there after his apology, except for another jokepost.
And then followed his 2 most "investigative" posts:

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+ Show Spoiler +
When those are your best posts (and you again have no followup at all) you are probably not doing enough to help town.

On November 29 2016 10:37 mahrgell wrote:


How do you get to that mega push? (this is a mix of question to learn for myself and a mix of metaquestion about you ^^)

Also no need in telling your scummeta, this is pointless anyway.

On November 29 2016 10:40 mahrgell wrote:


I share as it comes to mind ^.^ But I think I covered my initial thoughts about almost everyone who posted.

Well I guess I ignored TT and LS, but neither really have enough posts to warrant any analysis.

On November 29 2016 10:42 mahrgell wrote:
Hmmm... also I would be not unhappy about feedback on the readability of my own posts...

After I quickly established myself as wot thrower in newbie mafia, this time I'm trying to keep stuff shorter, just pointing things out with less explanations... Not sure this is better though. Then again not sure who read my stuff last game :D

On November 29 2016 10:48 mahrgell wrote:

This does not explain how you come to your target of choice. Sounds more like a dangerous tunneler rolling a dice and telling everyone to trust him ^^

PS: annoying flood control... Guess I push my TL counter a bit for a change.

On November 29 2016 11:07 Shapelog wrote:
Cop btw

On November 29 2016 11:57 Shapelog wrote:
Honestly do not know what to make of Koshi Trump (Make town great again 2016) shit right now. Kinda honestly enjoy it, as long as it is productive. None of it screams scum so far from what I read. As in regard to Onegu vs. Koshi, I know where he is coming from on those points, and saw them too reading through the game. I personally don't see it scummy honestly, but I do see koshi as a light townread for what he has done so far.

He also keep going after he stop talking about Onegu. I would like for him to explain his earlier sentiment on why LS good in his eyes. I've seen some of the LS I know, but some other stuff that worry me that I'll address later in this post. Like to bounce views from someone with the opposite view (this goes with anyone else as well

Onegu posting style I have not really seen from him. Therefore I am going to wait and see what comes out of it and read it from a contextual viewpoint.

I kinda get a ill tonal feeling from LS due to this post:

Not only does this feel kinda like he's trying to twist the image. But it also doesn't make logical sense to say you are experimenting and trying to find a new style for your town play (impaling that your past one didn't work). Then saying i'm town, everything is fine, trust me. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but it didn't make sense.

Otherwise LS is playing like how I remember him to play early on.

Other people:
Darth sounds pretty fine, light townread for now.
Marg posted some stuff, didn't stand out to me one way or another.
Emp and SL posted and peaced.
Tictock is slight town read as well, though I need to analzye his posts some more.
NU still needs be work through.

On November 29 2016 12:39 Shapelog wrote:
Which to be fair I am scum so....

On November 29 2016 12:37 Shapelog wrote:

No. I am going to lock them in a box and ship them to China.

Yes I'm bloody updating them!

Because playing a boring game with breadcrumbs and shit, and being good townie with good read and stuff is boring! Edgelord for life.

And I only claimed I was cop, I might not be cop. I could be a doctor, a goon, or vt. I can be anything I want, just like mum told me!

Are you triggered yet?

On November 29 2016 12:41 Shapelog wrote:

I was like you once,

I took a noose to the neck in Noir 4 mafia.

NU time (see I am a helpful sadistic, trolley, bitchy, whining, bastard)

On November 29 2016 13:25 emperorchampion wrote:


Not ready to come to a conclusion like that atm, esp. since some of your posts have been suspect, and there is some friction there. Just someone to read more on.

On November 29 2016 17:43 sicklucker wrote:
shapelog and ls are not allowed to talk to each other. of this im certain

On November 29 2016 17:46 Koshi wrote:

Yes. And that is true.

LS
darthfoley
Mahgrell
Koshi

all town.


I agree it reads extremely weird. My guess it comes from town though. Trying to figure out how they will play out this game / play in future games. Creating some sort of identity/meta.

If that sentence comes from mafia it is mafia!LS making excuses he wont look like his normal town self and is trying to figure out a new playstyle. And it doesn't' read like that.

But keeping pressure on LS is not horrible. Makes it easier for me to continuously feel his alliance to town.


Wouldn't too bothered with it. It's mafia doing wifom or town being wifom.



Potential good post.


This makes no sense. Out of a bunch of people some people might be mafia, but that is only based on mathematics. I agree you are maybe the easiest target to call mafia as town. But TT, LS are also getting some heat. Also mafia has no motive except to fake some scumhunting.


I would be surprised if this is true. But I will reread having this in mind.



Checkm8 is also town.

On November 30 2016 01:33 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways I been on mobile just wasn't much to comment on but HF vs Mah just seems like a clash of egos regardless of their alignments.

On November 30 2016 01:37 mahrgell wrote:


Uhm?? I can't follow that argument. How it the tone of a townie in TvT different from his tone in TvM? If you can't decide who is the M in this matchup, I'm not seeing how you come to the conclusion that this should be TvM. Or are you saying it is TvM or MvM?

On November 29 2016 12:57 emperorchampion wrote:

Flagged this post, I dun like it.
1) It looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing re: throwing something at LS.
2) It reads like you're smooshing two thoughts together, which makes me think that you had some conclusion in mind and are making the evidence fit that.

Requires further investigation.

On November 30 2016 05:27 emperorchampion wrote:
I guess @LS: do you have thoughts of consolidating on anyone right now?

On November 30 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:


1) I liked the posts on mahrgell, since I don't feel to good about him myself.
2) Post #414 is pretty meh
3) Post #584 is pretty bad
4) This lead me to think that maybe 1) could be an attempt to take out a "weaker" player since there hasn't been anything else besides this from what I've seen.

So overall, fairly null, but could lynch.

On November 30 2016 05:50 emperorchampion wrote:


Not completely sold on NU yet, would probably go through a few others previously mentioned beforehand.

On November 30 2016 06:00 Rels wrote:
yo

On November 30 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:

Easiest game of my life. p:

I'm at page 16 where you quoted some of your past games, why didn't you include your best scumgame to date (millionaire) ?

On November 30 2016 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Dat quote EC lmao.

On November 30 2016 06:20 Rels wrote:

I 100% disagree. What is similar between mahrgell play last game and this game ?

On November 30 2016 07:35 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Explain to me how my pushes on both you and emperor were opportunistic please.

On November 30 2016 07:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:

It's actually the opposite. I pushed both of you when no one was pushing you.

@emperorchampion Can you walk me through your read progression on me specifically?
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On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:


I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around?

On November 30 2016 12:01 darthfoley wrote:


I mean that may be true but i was unaware of this meta point when I voted on him. Never played a game with HF.

If he's one of the best players it's equally suspicious that he's spent a strange amount of time on D1 beating the mahrgell horse to death. Especially considering it doesn't look like mahrgell will be one of the realistic D1 trains.

On November 30 2016 12:58 Tictock wrote:


This feels like a weird discussion. 3 votes is hardly a quickly formed wagon.

I'm also not sure how HF being considered a good player is relevant to him being pushed like this. In fact I had the opposite reaction, that the people pushing him are more likely to be town given they were pushing a "stonger" player.

HF being the player is pretty subjective as well. I'm probably biased, or maybe I just missed him in his prime, but I haven't seen why people have this opinion about him.

On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Nobody flagged this?????????????

This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR?

On November 30 2016 17:29 Koshi wrote:

second person who says this but I am pretty sure it is only Rels and I who voted him. And I pasted my voted after Rels to just give the wagon some more prominence.

It's all good.


HF is maybe not mafia but it is not because the wagon formed on him too quickly. Please disregard that idea.

On November 30 2016 19:53 Onegu wrote:



This is actually a fairly townish post. The changing of meta is something I do. He is wrong of course, but I do like where is mind is at with this post.






The only rule that is in this game is the onegu rule and I am not going to bring it up...







I dont like where you are going here. I am really town reading HF hard and the fact that he is more laid back here screams town HF to me.





No my point wasnt tryharding it was posting more. I hate you keep trying to make me look worse than what is there and you keep doing it and you know you shouldnt when it comes to me. You say dont lynch me and then you are all kinds of false shade on me. And really is bothering the fuck out of me.





My problem with this is iirc he hasnt shown any thought about which one is scum he just says it is TvM with no thoughts about which is which and why.




Yeah never voting HF.





This is town HF 100%



My problem is less with how fast and more to do with who started it. Koshi in scum QT HF is being lazy day 1 lets get him lynched so we dont have to waste a bullet on him. Then people see koshi and start doing that. I really feel koshi is scum here again.





This is so wrong. So wrong. A strong scum player wants a strong town player out of the game. And if one of the biggest things I can point toward koshi is he has some large brass balls and would want to go after HF. You thinking it is town to do so is much less. People dont want to lynch the better players day 1 as town. I want HF in this game if he is a question mark and I think he is town not a question mark. Because I know if he is town he will catch scum 100%. Koshi pushing a HF lynch is much more a scum tell than a town tell.






I dont like posts like this at this point in time. EC hasnt done much of anything and he comes into the thread with asking someone for reads. Seems lazy and wanting to look like he is contributing without actually contributing....



LS knows I am in this game and he knows a very good way to destroy onegus sanity and make in go off the deep end fully onto LS is to make a serious claim day 1.





Right now ask yourself why town Koshi goes after HF and not adapt a more wait and see. There are much more scummy reasons for Koshi to go after HF. Before the pressure on HF, HF floated the idea that Koshi is scum. Koshi knows that if there is one person in this game besides onegu who can push his lynch and get it done it is HF. In this Koshi is much more likely to be scum than town.


TRUTH




Lol just LoL

On November 30 2016 22:36 Koshi wrote:

Let's build a real slow wagon on Mahrgell. Join me!

On November 30 2016 22:48 Holyflare wrote:
Aren't you supposed to be figuring me put ls?

On November 30 2016 23:37 Onegu wrote:



I was talking about HF being lazy not Koshi

On November 30 2016 23:39 Onegu wrote:
And to the second point. Koshi wants to win. And if Koshi is mafia and HF town like I think Koshi wants to be HF. You cant use the he wouldnt be motivated if he was scum again as a excuse for Koshi.

On December 01 2016 07:34 Koshi wrote:

Yes baller read. Somebody gave you shit for that read. Probably NU but if it is somebody else you might want to check that post for TMI.

On December 01 2016 07:36 Holyflare wrote:


How did I waste my vote? I told people to vote nu over rels.

On November 30 2016 23:48 Koshi wrote:
@ LS

Why did you say the wagon on UN formed quickly? It went slow as fuck. Each hours 1 vote and there are 4 votes now.

On December 01 2016 03:44 Onegu wrote:



Why LS? He wants to win period.

On December 01 2016 08:01 Holyflare wrote:


I'm an idiot for telling people to stick on mafia?

On December 01 2016 18:17 Holyflare wrote:
LS when you get back can you give me a brief rundown of why you thought there was definitely mafia between NU and someone else?

On November 29 2016 23:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Something tells me there is a scum between NU and EC the tone between them don't seem exactly town on town. Call it a gut feeling nothing concrete about it. Don't think both would be mafia it doesn't feel like mafia on mafia talk especially since it not Shapelog bussing a teammate this early like he normally does (hint I think Shapelog is town this game).

On December 01 2016 22:26 Holyflare wrote:


Can you elaborate more? Link posts?

On December 01 2016 22:45 mahrgell wrote:


How representative is that game? It doesn't even feel like I'm reading the same player -.-
Or: how representative is this game here from him? Has he ever slacked this hard? As town or scum?

On December 01 2016 22:50 Rels wrote:
We're sorry, but the post you're trying to make is over 100000 characters long. No one wants to read that much text! If you think you have a valid reason for wanting to make a post this big, bring this issue up in the Website Feedback forum. (Note: if you're doing a copy/paste from somewhere else, just summarize and link to the original source.)

LOL

On December 01 2016 22:51 mahrgell wrote:


Did you try to C+P an entire game?

On November 29 2016 11:07 Shapelog wrote:
Cop btw

On November 29 2016 12:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Also you still haven't explained why you claimed cop Shape so please answer this because I don't know in what world you thought it was a good call to claim cop.

On November 29 2016 12:37 Shapelog wrote:

No. I am going to lock them in a box and ship them to China.

Yes I'm bloody updating them!

Because playing a boring game with breadcrumbs and shit, and being good townie with good read and stuff is boring! Edgelord for life.

And I only claimed I was cop, I might not be cop. I could be a doctor, a goon, or vt. I can be anything I want, just like mum told me!

Are you triggered yet?

On December 02 2016 00:41 Rels wrote:
LS:
1 - I don't believe this proves anything. Shape has shown liking to write stupid stuff and doing stupid things as either alignment, especially during early game. I can see him writing these posts as town or scum just for fun if he's town, or WIFOMing the setup if he's scum.
2 - That sounds more promising. What promises did he break ?
3 - Yep 100% agree.

On November 30 2016 22:30 Shapelog wrote:
Urg. Not being able to play yesterday messed me up.

Got my busier schedule today. When I get time, i'll filter.

I thought of something about SL last night however. I'm not terribly sure about it yet, and honestly, the evidence to support it is very very very bad. But in a previous mafia game (can't remember the name), I fake claimed mafia early into the game (was town). Scum!SL jumped on it, and pushed the fact that I could (due to my "eccrtice" past) be doing that as mafia to look fearless. He used it also to justify tunneling me for the day phase.

Here, SL did not take that liberty. Instead, he just nodded and left it be, while trying to gain info (post about the discussion being bad between me and LS but townie) from what happens around it. He could of jumped on it if he was mafia (especially this time with my claim.) yet didn't.

I know it was one game, but he had a opportunity to push me for it and didn't take it. thoughts (even tho i won't be here in 10 mins :/)?

On November 30 2016 22:32 Shapelog wrote:
Also Onegu stole the way I catch up.

Thief!

On December 02 2016 01:23 Tictock wrote:
Having internet issues at home so I'm better Nguyen forced to read and post via mobile. Means I won't be doing the filter dives of death and Shape that I wanted too.

Thinking about the game this morning I'm thinking the answer might be as easy as Shape/Ch8. Otherwise I have a hard time seeing what mafia was doing in the latter half of the day as NU became the lynch. Checkm8 is also reminding me a bit of foreman from last game, who was a newbie that rolled scum and gave up posting after a day when he realized he had no way to keep up.

It's possible Onegu is scum but his posts right after the lynch seem fairly towns to me actually. He was more happy about his own filter length than having caught scum. I feel like scum would feel more pressure to fake being happy about the lynch.

On December 02 2016 01:36 mahrgell wrote:


LOL
If this is true, there is the possibility the game ends in few hours. Nobody is killed, because scum fails to vote a kill. Instead Shlog and CM8 get modkilled for failing to post, after being already warned for failing to vote. Game ends, 0 town lost.

Just thinking about this possibility kills my motivation to do my last 2 filter dives. -.-

On December 02 2016 02:46 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really suspicious/tin foil about ls if anyone asks btw. Being blunt I'll find it really weird that he said nu vs ec was mvt but couldn't say why or name which one was which.

Then the slip thing. If he's right and town then he's playing very well, better than I've ever seen him tbh.

On November 30 2016 05:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I here now. Not much has happened. I do think if one of EC or NU was scum it would be NU because he seems a bit opportunistic at times for his push on people (on me and EC) yet at the same he trying to solve the game more than EC. Plus the hidden LS rule that tends to happen: If someone is playing their game with me ever they would try to push me at someway.

On December 02 2016 03:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Therefore your point about me not saying which one of NU or EC was scum was debunked.

On December 02 2016 03:09 Holyflare wrote:


I'm pretty sure people had to ask you for that. Either way I just think it's weird when someone says it's MvT but don't name the person and even when you did you didn't sound sure at all. You're a tin foil, you should be dead long before lylo anyway.

On December 02 2016 03:20 Koshi wrote:

I can see it be true. I also want to lynch Shape over everybody else atm.

On December 02 2016 06:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Almost home will make my reads post.

On December 02 2016 09:25 mahrgell wrote:


First of all. I already said, that the first link for my is ust policy lynch territory. The second one is really not. Like I have no clue how the TL mafia meta goes. But hailing players as such great mafia players, when this seems to be entirely based on them establishing such a bullshit meta and not ever being questioned y anyone else out of some weird kind of respect for it seems fucking weird.

Now to the rest: I am not disagreeing with the part that his reads were kinda fluent. Hell, his "advice" to me regarding how to improve my play was actually good. But the point is, that every semi competent player should be able to do fluent reads when he singles out only 2 or 3 people out of 13. Other players(town and scum) make weird stuff. ump on those and score your points.
Where scum really trips is when they have to deal those players who are more difficult. When they have to commit to interpretations etc. Again, you tell me this is his meta. If it is, great, then his play is not scum indicative. But it still has to be questioned.
Next you say he is not hiding behind it? Really? Are we even in the same game? I'm not in the mood to filter dive right now, but from memory I know that when he was on me, I asked several questions regarding other players, wanted reads on anyone but me, he refused, saying that he is all on me, and doesnt care about anyone els,e because at work. He later came back, and didn't bother one bit to look a bit broader.
Later on, he replaced me with you, now all he did was going after you. Again, there were several instances were he actively said that he is not willing to dive other filters and refused to answer questions. Really? He is not hiding behind this bullshit meta you are so willing to accept?

Now look at his defenses.

Not sure in what world he is living, but nope. Simply nope. His entire acitivity was on a handful players. If we do not udge acitvity by post count (Onegu would also do really well in that category) but how much of the game the person covered, than HF is in deep shit territory.

Next post. Oh, wasn't he just a second ago so certain how great his play was? Suddenly he is getting tunneled on players who scumread him. Sounds like absolutely great mafia play. And yes, I completely agree that sometimes giving each other breathing room is a great idea. But when someone tells you to stop this tone, then going in, escalating it further and then using this as a bargain chip to get your breathing room? Nope! And seemingly this is completely okay for everyone.


Okay, not much time has passed. But somehow I feel people are again gonna accept this. He did the same D1 and everybody was fine with it. Today I won't. If this is really all he has to bring, he should die.

Like until now I tried to pay respect to what people told me about the meta on TL and in forum mafia in general. But this case I really can not do that, because it reminds me of last game. You were in there.
I called out Foreman for exactly the same shit on D1. That he was scum in this case can be called noobs luck on my part. But anyway. I felt my case was reasonable. But then everybody jumped me.
"But Mahrgell, him not answering your questions and giving you a finger, this could be part of his character and meta. This is really nothing." And Foreman grinned happily and didn't answer
"But Mahrgell, him not caring about large parts of the game and publicly celebrating this arrogant and ignorant attitude, this could be really part of his meta, dont blame him for that" and again Foreman grinned happily and continued.

Foreman then went MIA though, so the problem resolved itself. Like I had seen a comparison with Foreman earlier this game. Not sure who it was (CM8?). But really. If there is any Foreman equivalent in this game, it is HF. And people are completely willing to let this happen and it fucking annoys me.
He loses nothing as town if he drops this ans finally starts answering and caring. But it makes his scum play pretty damn easy when everyone lets it go.

And then I see people telling me "but keep HF alive for the first couple of days, lynch him later, he is a great contributor"
Seriously, I was doing this with Koshi. But I have no fucking reason to do that with HF. I simply don't see great contributions. What has he actually done this game? Like if you compare the contributions of yourself(Rels), DF, Koshi, Emp to him... Is HF really the guy who can be called a leading contributor? My answer is no.

TLDR:
##vote Holyflare

On December 02 2016 09:48 sicklucker wrote:
Ls you should do your little meta thing on me because I want to focus on the issues. I need to get some alternative lynch going

On December 02 2016 09:54 mahrgell wrote:
And one last thing I would like to remind people of:

CM8 and Shlog can not be scum together. This is simply ruled out.

Unless you are saying that they both risked being mod killed for not posting the entire night after being warned for not voting, but somehow submitted a nightkill!

There is at least one active scum around.
And now if you apply this logic, this is actually making the Shlog train much weaker.
Assume you give CM8 a chance of 30% to be scum. This means Shlog has maximum 70% if there is guaranteed to be one scum between those two. And there is still the chance neither is scum.
If you now tell me SHLOG SCUM 100%... Okay. Then you have to really convince me why CM8 can't be scum.

On December 02 2016 09:56 mahrgell wrote:

Who are we? Speak for yourself. I very willing to lynch HF for what he has shown so far and if he continues doing exactly that. I don't see the much fabled benefit of keeping him around until late. Sure, if shlogs defense sucks, kill him. But until then? HF it is for me.

On December 02 2016 09:58 sicklucker wrote:


i donno hf had a point. the koshi nk might have been randomed ;p. This is a pretty bad reason. I could argue nk koshi would be done by desperate people like a shapelog or cm8 team or just randomed all together

On December 02 2016 09:57 sicklucker wrote:


well thats why you have to investigate.

On December 02 2016 10:02 sicklucker wrote:
im just gonna kill the god father slipping mafia defending darthfoley. sometimes the most simple answer is the best its elementary dear watson

On December 03 2016 05:53 darthfoley wrote:
Still waiting on those Shapelog reads

On December 02 2016 15:25 Shapelog wrote:

Before you read this, make sure to read the last post I posted before I posted this.


I address LS/TT/Darths points on me as they were the major ones. Simple as that. I am more than happy to answer any individual questions as well.

Also had to rewrite this.

Darth’s Points



Expect he did.


Look through it with my eyes/mind.


NU is hard for me to analyze on his tone (something I don’t excel at imo) because of how he behaves normally. He is over the top, loud, etc (proof can be found in previous games + warning he got from the last newbie). On top of that, I only played 1 game with NU when he was scum, and I was inactive/modkilled for inactivity (Cp broke) and didn’t pay attention to how he played.
Moreover, I’ve gotten onto him and incorrectly read him as scum for his tone when he was town. Meaning I knew I had to take that into account in the read. AND Furthermore, I always try to consider both sides of the coin, especially early on. Hell, Koshi earlier in the game pointed it out (wishy washiness) as something I do every game. I personally need to discuss things like that (grey areas) in order to get/lead into a solid read. I will admit, i never was/did follow up as promised. But I did try talking to EC about him shortly after I saw his posts.


It's like if I was to tell you to write a paper about the Pros and cons of….lets say Orap. However, I keep telling you while you write it all the cons of it. This causes a Grey area, since now you cannot type Pros without thinking of the cons, constantly flipping back and forth from side to side.


Eh, That prob doesn’t make sense. W/e.


There is also the whole “BUS BUS BUS! I WILL BUS YOU! I AM BUS MAN! I BUS TEAM! RWARRR ROM ROM!” meta I have as scum. But that is WIFOM in this conversation on rather or not I would bus NU at the point as scum. Hence why I’m not going to open that can of worms.


Ticktock:

Please quote this. Because I was not pressured making the NU read.


I then Do TT read

Then

Then the only quote that really could be 'quote on quote' pressuring me pops up.




Thats it. Read comes out shortly after.
Again, if I got the wrong post let me know. Rest of the answers are scatter about this read because I cannot be arse to repeat myself.

1) For point one to be true, a lot of things need to happen.

Lets say I am scum trying to draw out the cop claim. Why do I stop shortly after the claim and discredit my claim (by saying i could be mafia etc.) to where the real cop (which I would known to existed since we would the framer) doesn't have to CC my claim. This ruins my plan of drawing out the real cop, and makes me the center of attention due to the claim.

Also, if my plan was to get the real cop to claim. What is our plan to get passed a save? Oh I get it! We become magical ghost and scare them to death! Maybe have the framer claim doctor, so RB knows who to target?

This plan also only makes sense if I am goon as well. I cannot be any other role, as they are cirtical to sucuess.

Finally, I have to somehow be dumb enough to as scum to literary GIVE YOU THE SET UP! And I make sure I cover my arse as scum vs town where I don't give a shit.

Then all in all, what does that get the scum team? The cop? The role that we can blue hunt (which I am good at)/Rb/Frame influence without putting our selves in danger? Maybe, if we play our cards right and cop checks me. We get a semi confirm town for me.

The way I handle the claim does not support your idea of me having TMI and having a plan. Not only that, but that said plan was a high risk, low reward plan. Delicately, not my type of plan as scum (high risk high reward.)

2)Next quote we get more into this point about promises.

3) I didn't have interactions with him, I won't lie. I have nothing to say in that regard. About distancing, well....You know how I distance (Room room) as scum, but again. I will admit I don't know if I was scum if i would bus him at that time.

Read the last post.

I doubt 10 mins is enough in your mind to catch up. My plan was after class to catch up, but other things took my time.

I will admit tho, I never reread Marh (went to bed) nor updated NU read this game. I also will not lie that promises keeping doesn't happen as scum. It has however, also crept into my town play. Just usually I get around to doing most of it as town vs scum that often I just wait for it to blow over.

On December 04 2016 07:03 sicklucker wrote:
I hate you all

On December 04 2016 07:09 darthfoley wrote:
BUT there are still 2 mafia left which makes me very nervous

On December 04 2016 07:39 Holyflare wrote:
Wow its rels/ticktock

On December 04 2016 07:42 Holyflare wrote:
Guys that aren't Margaret. Is it possible Mabinogi is mafia?

On December 04 2016 07:43 Holyflare wrote:


A number.

I dunno really. Mix of poe and hunch. The fact this is the first game I haven't wanted to lynch ticktock probably makes him confirmed mafia. He's playing squeaky clean though.