[T] Dota 2 Mafia

On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.

Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k?

On October 20 2016 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:

Oh the irony

On October 20 2016 10:50 iamperfection wrote:
the fact that you would point it out

On October 20 2016 10:51 Hopeless1der wrote:

The part where you publicly outed the "doctor". This is a heavily themed and power-heavy game btw.

On October 20 2016 10:51 Hopeless1der wrote:

The part where you publicly outed the "doctor". This is a heavily themed and power-heavy game btw.

On October 20 2016 10:57 Hopeless1der wrote:

crumbing doctor isnt a thing? btw, I'm a doctor. not really, im like a paranoid remorseful nurse.

On October 20 2016 11:01 iamperfection wrote:

he is a lol player

On October 20 2016 11:08 iamperfection wrote:

no i was just saying he is a lol player so he probably is dumb. i saw an opportunity to make a lol joke and i took it.

On October 20 2016 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote:

I'm liking this line of questioning less and less. There's no proof he "lied", nor is there proof that he claimed dazzle. He could be claiming shadow demon or nevermore, both heroes that could require extended time to ramp up their abilities in a flavor context, thus justifying his request to 'keep me alive'.

On October 20 2016 11:26 Hopeless1der wrote:

he basically claimed spirit breaker. Charge of Darkness is very close to Wave of Shadow.

On October 20 2016 11:26 WaveofShadow wrote:


Do you honestly and truly think this?

On October 20 2016 11:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm honestly baffled anyone would think I'd come out and fully claim my role what, two hours into a heavily themed game with all sorts of shit flyin' around at any given moment?

I'm stunned speechless.
Silent, even.

On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.

Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k?

On October 20 2016 11:37 WaveofShadow wrote:


I don't want to have a conversation with you.

On October 20 2016 11:39 Hopeless1der wrote:



I think he was trying to real-claim a doctor role. Instead of trying to have a discussion, he posted trolly stuff so people wouldnt take it as seriously and mafia wouldnt shoot him in the face. I think he is probably town trying to crumb his role. To what end though, i think he just wants to stay alive and get people to support him.


exo, take a step back, you're WAY too tunneled right now. This is absurd. Go back to that first post you thought he claimed dazzle and honestly tell me that Shadow Demon, Nevermore or Spirit Breaker couldn't also fit.

On October 20 2016 14:18 Bill Murray wrote:
TLDR ritoki is probably town because i see ritoky + hopeless interaction as town/maf interaction and i think WoS is being mafcoached by hopeless

that leaves me here
town: bill , i am perfection, exo, ritoky, kurumi
scum: WoS, hopeless1der

i am NOT doing null this game so if my scum list exceeds 10 people or more i dont give a flying **** these are just my opinions

On October 20 2016 17:07 ptmc wrote:


At least you got an ult -.-
Are you radiant or dire?
And I guess there are dire town as well as radiant scum, right?
I liked Exo_s posts, but I don't necessarily know if claiming a healer is bad in this setup, since you might also somehow have to end up next to your heal-target on the list to actually heal. That might be hard without coordinating.

On October 20 2016 18:55 Dandel Ion wrote:

town
+ Show Spoiler +

now that i have A READ, i can just skip the next couple pages, kkthx

On October 20 2016 19:00 Dandel Ion wrote:

maybe, what you gonna do about it champ?

On October 20 2016 19:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
My vote is well put on Dandel and everyone should join me

On October 21 2016 09:57 Kurumi wrote:


Hopefully you shall understand everything in time.



Just take your time. You can look at my list and try to figure out how do you like my reads.

On October 21 2016 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote:

I mean this in the politest possible way, but that's horseshit.

I WILL BE SHOOTING ONE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED PEOPLE ON MY LIST AS OF RIGHT NOW.
I suggest others do the same.

On October 21 2016 10:05 WaveofShadow wrote:

Dear lord.

Exo I was over this yesterday.
If that's not good enough for you, go ahead and lynch me.

On October 21 2016 10:08 Kurumi wrote:


It's been established that most roles have a way to deal damage through their actions. I haven't known this for a long while, because I didn't read my role PM for a longer while.

On October 21 2016 10:16 Bill Murray wrote:

What about tictock and the other one avoiding mod kill with 1 single post

On October 21 2016 10:57 Tictock wrote:



I'm really confused by this. Him really vuagly hinting that he might be a protective role is scummy, but you straight out saying he is claiming doc here and thus outing him to everyone is.... ?

Actually I really doubt scum posts something like this, Exo is prob town. I'm gunna enjoy looking for scum in the reactions to this post though...

On October 21 2016 11:49 iamperfection wrote:
TOWN
iamperfection- confirmed town.

beentheredonethat- Top town. Very high activity. Extremly aggresive not trying to amke friends with anyone it seems. Try to get discussion back on track in post 524 has no problem calling out bull shit.

Dandel Ion- good actvity and i like post 705 as that was my thinking as well at the time. Seems like he trying to figure things out

WaveofShadow- i just dont think scum comes in and is losey goosey as he was in the beggining just dosent seem like a scum tactic to me. post 1016 same reaction i had. daring people to lynch him in 1031 solid town read i would say.

sicklucker- im gonna guess scum dont claim as quick as he did post 875. post 793 seems genuine to me dosent seem to care if he dies post 794.

Holyflare- calling the cordinated attack a dumb idea read townie to me. Pushing his read in a solid manner post 936. Activity seems a bit low for holyflare from what i can remember. slight town read i would say would be stronger if he had more actvity.

ritoky- i like post 943 and 955. post 904 seems geniune to me but he shouldnt do that.

Koshi- i dont fucking no i guess town. not tryhard mafia koshi at least.

HamazuraXTakitsubo- i guess town seems like a genuily confused player to the site. Possible its an act.

NULL

Tubesock- actvity is bad and seems to be against interacting with the thread post 974 had no followup possible atrocious town

Acrofales- i dont know early on i thought town but something about his posts is just giving me a bad feeling and i cant explain it. Actvity is bad for some as capable as him null for now leaning twoards scummy might change to town if he posts spreadsheet on post 520.

Kurumi- i dont understand this kid. I dont like the way he plays i dont like his list i dont like the self post for no reason i dont even like his name. but on reread seems to be confident he wont be lynched post 1009 he might be trying to figure things out i guess. ill put as null and unvote. Noithing he does makes sense to me though.

Lunaticman- i dont fucking know

Bill Murray- i use my one person a game not to read this persons filter on him

Hopeless1der- i recind my town read he aint doing shit in my view.

Tictock- post 1015 is atrocious but willing to see what he does ill go null for now.
scum and shit

ptmc- ehhh i dont know voted me for reasons??? dropped for no reason really voting wave because he is playing subotimally dosent come across right to me might be scum here.

GlowingBear- scum isnt doing anything dosent care about town posting just for sake of posting might be bad
Lord Tolkien- lurker but worse as what he little he has posted is trash imo. make useless list for lynch then complains about lists later LUL. might just be bad.

Skynx- scum read. Posting stuff but does not seem in my view to be trying to kill mafia. Example post 868 throws some shade on me but does nothing with it.

ExO_- something about his tone just seems unatural to me. Post 368 for example does come across to me as genuine. Literally the only thing in his filter talks about wos and could be that thing were scum catch a mistake by town try to make it scummy and focus on it entirely. Post 420 is bad after some time brings nothing to the table and then later on just talks about wave again. votes for dandel but dosent seem interested in actually killing and talks about wave more

Eversince- lurker you can kill
Vivax- lurker you can kill
Rels- lurker you can kill

##unvote
##vote exo

I am directing kp twoard the lurkers or glowingbear

On October 21 2016 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
And thoughts on ptmc now?


And exo, take a hint

I think he wants you to maybe be useful and stop focusing on me for absolutely nothing

just a thought

you know

a little advice

On October 21 2016 12:45 Acrofales wrote:

He already claimed he didn't crumb Dazzle. So whatever he was hinting at, your assumptions are wrong about what he was claiming and why he was claiming it. He also gave his reasons for claiming, which don't make a lot of sense to me, but ppl do nonsensical shit all the time. So let's climb out of the tunnel on that one post? Has WoS done anything else that you think makes him mafia? How bout other people?

On October 21 2016 12:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think I broke him guys
He's incapable of doing anything else for the rest of the game

On October 21 2016 13:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm sorry I legitimately couldn't help it.

Let's be real for a second here. You are being asked to do anything, anything to make yourself more useful than you have been, and somehow that's just not possible for you because you're just stuck on this one thing?

It's a little ridiculous if you think about it.

Face the fact that you're not getting what you want, and move on. I'm more than willing to have a little chat, but not for much longer 'cause its getting late.

On October 21 2016 13:03 ritoky wrote:
give a read on me

On October 22 2016 03:11 iamperfection wrote:

Why are you the way you are

On October 22 2016 03:16 beentheredonethat wrote:




That does not align.

On October 22 2016 03:18 iamperfection wrote:

Wtf are you talking about

On October 22 2016 03:20 iamperfection wrote:

He is capable as a town player. He ain't playing therfore he is scum

On October 22 2016 03:43 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Vote-vote kurumi-mi

On October 22 2016 07:28 Acrofales wrote:
ExO_, did you hit me?

On October 22 2016 07:43 Acrofales wrote:
Ok. I have no clue how the attack resolution happened. The player list looks randomized to me... ExO_ is not next to koshi, so mb his attack hit me instead? I don't think eversince did jack shit, because he didn't make a single post...

Did someone ranged target me?

On October 22 2016 09:02 Hopeless1der wrote:


@the allcaps, I kind of feel like if he'd have come in and done anything it would just draw more attention to him, ending up with more people willing to shennany onto him. I'm like 80% confident koshi is town.

On October 22 2016 03:28 Holyflare wrote:

There's an abundance of him defending fringe people, defended sicklucker, defended hopeless, defended GB. Defending gb is also another thing that doesn't make sense from his perspective, ritoky says that gb isn't pushing me and he usually does so it's scummy but tt defends gb while pushing that ritoky was scummy for not calling me out.

On October 22 2016 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Playing Civ instead of focusing on the game

lynch him

On October 23 2016 05:58 Acrofales wrote:
Rels (now Artanis)
Lurker. Artanis might not yet have had time to take over. Not yet convinced he's scum, but if he stays lurking, he's definitely scum.

Vivax
Did exactly one thing all of D1/N1: make 2 posts to deflect the lynch off himself, and town shit the bed. KILL WITH FIRE

Holyflare
He's participating actively during the night. He did nothing during the day except to post a case on TT. His night contributions seem good. I can't really read this.

Skynx
Nothing good has come from this guy. Could just be bad town, but feels like he is skating by. Had an overaggressive start to the game which was badly received. Then AFK'd for long enough for people to forget about that and did the bare minimum. Once again, active during the night (when we expect scums to be plotting in their scumchat anyway.

iamperfection
iamperfection shit the bed. But his filter is so jam packed with stuff, that I don't really believe he's scum. Keep an eye out if he stays around. If he's still alive by D3...

sicklucker
Erratic. Fake claiming. I have no idea what to do with this guy.

beentheredonethat
Mega filter with lots of thought.

ExO_
Was green, but something really weird is going on with his night actions. Claims to have hit koshi, but it's impossible.

Lunaticman
Was a scummy lurker. Has improved a bit during the night.

HamazuraXTakitsubo
Scummy lurker

Tubesock
Like his activity during the night

Bill Murray
One of my surest town reads. This is town-BM meta

Koshi
Agree with the scum meta reads.

Eversince, now NocturneMage
Holy activity, batman. Good posts and thought about who's what. Great replacement.

ptmc
bleeds green, and with the mod note, very little reason to doubt.

Kurumi
claims targeting iamperfection. Has done nothing of note. But notoriously trolly and hard to read...

ritoky
probably just not-very-good town.

Hopeless1der
Nothing has convinced me my read yesterday was wrong.

Dandel Ion
Duh. This is town DI

WaveofShadow
Some minor suspicions, but nothing real. Probably town.

GlowingBear
Utterly useless. Also doesn't look like he could have hit koshi if other night action claims are right... did make some townie feel posts.

Lord Tolkien
Utterly useless


And because you all love it, some more night action speculation:

The ones that really don't make sense are:

ExO_. He simply cannot have hit Koshi and ended up above me. Unless someone moved me.
Glowingbear. He cannot have hit Koshi and ended up that far down the player list. Instead, he must have hit Hopeless1der, or WoS jumped him to get to Lord Tolkien. Jumping to Koshi, would not have put him below Eversince/NM

Some kind of shenannies or fake action claiming happened here.

On October 24 2016 10:23 iamperfection wrote:

The fact that you bring up we play dota together on like 3 separate ocasions screams to me like please dont lynch me iamp we are bros remember.

Also this post is super scummy you reach no conclusions what so ever and take no stances. All you do is throw maybes and questions and take no real position.

Also there is no way you should be throwing doubt on the vivax lynch unless god forbid you have extra infoirmation. Vivax came back to avoid lynched and then goes afk how can possibly think he is not scum. Also i have no idea what your talking about on me not posting i have been posting non stop pretty much are you not reading the thread? IF so why do you talk about the 3p claim when i was the one to first talk to the kid. Did you forget that and only hear about the 3p claim in your scum qt?

I likely kill you next lynch.

On October 24 2016 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
do you agree with my points on LT exo?

On October 24 2016 10:23 iamperfection wrote:

The fact that you bring up we play dota together on like 3 separate ocasions screams to me like please dont lynch me iamp we are bros remember.

Also this post is super scummy you reach no conclusions what so ever and take no stances. All you do is throw maybes and questions and take no real position.

Also there is no way you should be throwing doubt on the vivax lynch unless god forbid you have extra infoirmation. Vivax came back to avoid lynched and then goes afk how can possibly think he is not scum. Also i have no idea what your talking about on me not posting i have been posting non stop pretty much are you not reading the thread? IF so why do you talk about the 3p claim when i was the one to first talk to the kid. Did you forget that and only hear about the 3p claim in your scum qt?

I likely kill you next lynch.

On October 24 2016 10:34 iamperfection wrote:
what do you mean read them you read my post already.....................................

On October 24 2016 14:19 ritoky wrote:


i refuse to rely on the mod for modkills. ESPECIALLY cuz it is vivax. for history lessons, in a game about 2 yrs ago? i was mafia in a position where it was literally stone impossible for me to escape lynch so i did not post the entire phase. the town (vivax included) decided i would be modkilled and to lynch someone else. i voted with 7 seconds left in the day as my only required post. they lynched town and lost a phase that probably could have won them the game. since then vivax has said "never again" repeatedly when people try to plan around modkills instead of lynches. i refuse to play around modkills. especially with him. it will bite you eventually.

On October 24 2016 14:28 ritoky wrote:


kinda just posted this last page. but probably lunaticman, he fucked off when the wagon came off him and has done pretty much jack since.

i also wouldn't mind a wagon on SL just to try to force his underachieving ass to play hard for an hour or two so i can get a good read on him that i can ride the rest of the game.

On October 24 2016 20:55 Vivax wrote:
Yo, I was at a glacier this weekend and my care level for this game is really low. I'll just play now and you lynch me anyway. That's fine, I'd do the same in your stead.

On October 24 2016 21:03 Koshi wrote:

The good news is we can actually lynch somebody besides you!! The bad news is nobody gives a fuck and prefers to just auto lynch me tomorrow.

On October 24 2016 21:13 Acrofales wrote:

Empty threat. He lives at least one more phase anyway. Might as well humor him. I don't really care how he claims his ability works, as long as the top 2 people in the vote list die. He could day vig them for all I care. If the top 2 people die, we can discuss it for tomorrow's lynch.

On October 24 2016 21:18 Koshi wrote:

2 people die = I am not lieing.

On October 24 2016 21:20 Koshi wrote:

TRY TO READ THE THREAD BRO. I HAVE ONLY FUCKING EXPLAINED IT 54625754 TIMES.

FUCK MY LIFE.

On October 24 2016 21:26 Koshi wrote:

Pile votes on 2 wagons. Really. tyvm.

On October 24 2016 21:35 Koshi wrote:

Everything can be mafia, my hero is pretty mafia aka evil, but it is 100% FUCKING PRO TOWN 100% CONFIRMED HOLY SHIT.

On October 26 2016 17:03 Bill Murray wrote:
i like exo's ts read a lot

On October 26 2016 19:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Game is boring, and I'm lazy. Claiming 3p.
Can't say much about my wincon other than that there's a bunch of them and if I claim them they become invalid so I can't :|. They're mostly related to characters so I have no idea if those are town or mafia.

It's why I've been smugly saying "not scum" every time wave pinged me

On October 26 2016 19:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

They're related to dealing with certain heroes. Since I have no idea who they are or what alignment they are I mind as well work with town to find scum. My incentive is to have the game last longer so I can actually achieve said wincons.

On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

That you save a lynch on them?

I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total.

On October 26 2016 20:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I never mentioned having '5'. You asked me to name some and I named some. Naming them all would be very silly.

On October 26 2016 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm pretty annoyed with the lack of discussion of the stuff I posted.

Especially the vote count thing.

Does everyone really just agree with me blindly? I mean that's cool and all but I'm not really used to it.

On October 26 2016 21:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Here ya go, but I bet you're not gonna like it.....

:D :D

On October 26 2016 21:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I gotta say it looks even worse on ExO that he didn't bother commenting on any of that at all until prompted.
Ptmc you at the very least mentioned it.

On October 26 2016 21:59 WaveofShadow wrote:

Well or lunaticman.
I think our KP is better served on GB/other scummers though.

On October 26 2016 22:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright let's get to this Exo thing.

Did I mean to call out myself?
Sure I did. Point being, I know I'm town and I have explained on numerous occasions why I stuck on LT that day. Had I been around and seen to change my vote I would undoubtedly have changed to TT (and been wrong anyway, but that's besides the point). So the fact that my vote is also a throwaway is irrelevant to my purposes and should in theory also be to everyone else's but you're right in that I suppose I can't necessarily expect everyone else to ignore it the same way.

I'll explain the vote analysis a little further though.
Scum are very paranoid when it comes to voting. There are a couple of main patterns that are typically followed.
One is that they will pick a target and stick with said target to absolve themselves of the responsibility to switch or potentially be forced to bus/nail their own teammate. The second is that they will spread themselves out fairly thin so as to avoid any incidental lynches or shenanigans and once again to absolve themselves of responsibility if they are afk at lynch time. Also this helps if vote analysis is done later and a couple scummers are voting for the same obvious townie or something---it just looks really bad and one of the absolute most important things scum are worried about is looking bad.

Most of the people I highlighted fit both of the above voting patterns in many cases, and all of them I believe fit at least one of them. Combined with their general scumminess throughout the game and you have yourself a slam dunk analysis imo.

You yourself mention you didn't 'see the point' in changing your vote since you were busy playing Civ. You fit into both categories---you were stuck on Dandel for who knows what reason when basically nobody else was (he was one of the people instrumental in leading lynches and so people trusted him) and you didn't care that your vote was spread out/useless.

I have you a bit lower on my list on purpose I I do believe there is a chance you could be town, but I'm still not sure how I feel after your 'rabid and wholely useless attack on me D1 and nothing useful after that' strategy.

On October 26 2016 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I have you a bit lower on my list on purpose I I do believe there is a chance you could be town, but I'm still not sure how I feel after your 'rabid and wholely useless attack on me D1 and nothing useful after that' strategy.

On October 26 2016 22:27 WaveofShadow wrote:

And commenting on anything that happened last night, including the fact that I literally claimed to have 100% caught a scum, and made cases, AND interacted with him.

You instead go off in your own little world about Tubesock and ignore the important things in the thread. That to me looks like you're not focusing on my case/claim and hoping it goes away.

On October 26 2016 22:31 WaveofShadow wrote:

Your entire attempt to communicate with me was based on role speculation, and a completely absurd one, at that.
I found absolutely no use in it, and therefore had no desire to engage you.

I have already listed a few things that make me think you're scum and if you think OMGUS is the only reason I think so then you're welcome to it, but as far as I can tell, that's not going to convince me you're not---and you should probably focus on that in some way since I'm the one doing a lot of the legwork atm.

On October 26 2016 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

YOURE DONE WITH ME WHEN I SAY YOU ARE

I mean ok, sure.

Was actually writing something up about your TS thing but I suppose I'll shelve it for now.

ALL ABOARD THE GB KILLTRAIN

CHOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOO

On October 26 2016 22:45 WaveofShadow wrote:

Ding ding ding ding

TS has been extremely transparent with his reads and actions. This is a silyl thing for scum to do, and not worth the attempt to 'make a play.' I also don't think he's ever required prompting. Unlike SOME people I can think of (AHEMBEARAHEM)
For that matter, Exo have you ever claimed your actions or actions taken on you either?

On October 26 2016 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Night ExO_.
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 26 2016 22:58 ptmc wrote:

hey, no pocketing!
but i rather wanted to hear exo_s thoughts

On October 26 2016 23:04 ptmc wrote:


it's literally on this page

On October 28 2016 02:04 Skynx wrote:



I mean I really have hard time comprehending you guys when we have confirmed scum alive and people wanna vote other wagons. On top of that I get sr when i suggest thats a bad idea.

On October 28 2016 02:11 Acrofales wrote:

I don't know why, but this gives me the heebyjeebies.

On October 28 2016 02:19 Acrofales wrote:


It wasn't there content of the message. It was something about how you said it. Overly clinical and constructed or something. Basically what my posts do to iamp and WoS...

On October 28 2016 02:19 Acrofales wrote:


It wasn't there content of the message. It was something about how you said it. Overly clinical and constructed or something. Basically what my posts do to iamp and WoS...

On October 28 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote:


After I die, kill ExO_. All of his points against his scum targets are nitpicky and he fakes rage to show emotion.

I'm guilty of what ExO_ said. I thought Lunatic was town. I then went through his filter and took notes and quotes while I went. I then put forth that case which everyone quickly disregarded. There wasn't much point in pushing it and he didn't exactly seem to care to live.

I think Koshi, Sicklucker and I are probably never going to be figured out without dying. So you should kill us all fairly quickly. After I die and you see I flip green then kill ExO_ and look at Skynx.

On October 29 2016 20:08 sicklucker wrote:


notice put you at the bottom of the list and only include you if its a 5 mafia game and not a 4 mafia game. still mafia doe

On October 29 2016 20:05 Koshi wrote:
Well sl is not mafia. So dont get tunneled towards that read till end of game. Always lynch ts kurumi after skynx. Then ritoky if he is not out of the game.

On October 31 2016 00:00 WaveofShadow wrote:

I was about to ask why not just attack the next person on the list (kurumi) instead of wait to lynch him, but he claimed bristleback (and assuming some sort of damage return) right?

In which case I think I'm OK to go ExO punch next but I'm definitely not certain of his alignment.

We need Artanis and ritoky to kill some dudes.

On November 06 2016 09:43 Acrofales wrote:
Yay. You lynched Koshi! Told you he was scum!

WoS and ritoky carried. Everybody else was afk jungle or straight up feeding.

Oh, and we already talked about it a bit in obs qt, but I think Artanis' wincons were too luck dependent. Other than that, surprisingly well balanced despite that scum had 2 abilities to mess with the lynch...