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On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name. Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k? For those that aren't aware he's referencing the hero dazzle, who has an ability called shadow wave. Dazzle also has an ability called shadow grave, which prevents people from dying. So to anybody who's vaguely familiar with dota, he's basically coming out immediately and claiming some form of doctor. I don't think the doc should come in and announce themselves right away. This looks hella scummy to me. | ||
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On October 20 2016 10:50 iamperfection wrote: the fact that you would point it out Why wouldn't I point it out? I'm sure I'm not the only player here who is familiar with dota, and can realize what he's alluding to. And this early basically coming out and claiming it, is something doctor wouldn't do. Which means in my view he's lying, and I want him to explain it. | ||
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On October 20 2016 10:51 Hopeless1der wrote: The part where you publicly outed the "doctor". This is a heavily themed and power-heavy game btw. Because I do not believe for a second he's the doctor | ||
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On October 20 2016 10:51 Hopeless1der wrote: The part where you publicly outed the "doctor". This is a heavily themed and power-heavy game btw. What does that mean btw? I get that its themed but what do you mean by power-heavy? | ||
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On October 20 2016 10:57 Hopeless1der wrote: crumbing doctor isnt a thing? btw, I'm a doctor. not really, im like a paranoid remorseful nurse. Crumbing would be like walking into a bar wearing a dark coat and sitting in a shadowy corner, leaving a note on a table. What he's doing is just short of bursting open the doors to the bar, stark naked announcing he has arrived. It doesn't necessarily mean he's not town, but I do think he is lying. Unless he's just really dumb (in my opinion) | ||
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So a big problem is how familiar he is with dota. I think it would be stupid to claim doctor right away as I said, but assuming he's town why fake claim? He would have to know enough about dota to know wave of shadow is a dazzle spell, and that dazzle also has the shallow grave spell, which would lead someone to draw the conclusion that he is the doctor. hmmm idk. I do think he's lying, but if he isn't super knowledgeable about dota it would give a little bit of support to the idea that he was telling the truth. I'm a bit conflicted now. He's either lying or really dumb town. And I think if he's lying he's more likely to be scum lying. | ||
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On October 20 2016 11:08 iamperfection wrote: no i was just saying he is a lol player so he probably is dumb. i saw an opportunity to make a lol joke and i took it. Oh. Well what I'm saying still stands. WaveOfShadow how familiar with dota are you? And why are you lying about implying doc? | ||
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On October 20 2016 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm liking this line of questioning less and less. There's no proof he "lied", nor is there proof that he claimed dazzle. He could be claiming shadow demon or nevermore, both heroes that could require extended time to ramp up their abilities in a flavor context, thus justifying his request to 'keep me alive'. I'm asking him directly to explain himself. There is no proof, but it would be very easy for WoS to come in and say "I didn't claim dazzle". It would be very easy. And yet he didn't say that. You're literally making a defense for him, when he won't defend himself. I don't think asking for a little explanation is too much at all. | ||
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On October 20 2016 11:26 Hopeless1der wrote: he basically claimed spirit breaker. Charge of Darkness is very close to Wave of Shadow. That's a bit of a stretch. Not a connection I think anybody would make, and one you are only making now that he said mooo. Really? Why didn't he just come out and say "I'm not claiming dazzle" right away? | ||
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On October 20 2016 11:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you honestly and truly think this? Could you at least make an effort to answer some of my questions then? You've got hopeless defending for you right now, but it would do a lot to alleviate my concerns here if you would talk to me a bit. Right now from my perspective I think you and hopeless could be scum buddies, but I'm doubtful because it would be so blatant. | ||
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On October 20 2016 11:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm honestly baffled anyone would think I'd come out and fully claim my role what, two hours into a heavily themed game with all sorts of shit flyin' around at any given moment? I'm stunned speechless. Silent, even. So then you were literally just trolling with: On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name. Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k? You've contributed literally nothing to the thread then. I've noticed after this post and after me pointing out you're claiming dazzle you start throwing out all sorts of other hints towards other heroes trying to backaway from the idea that you were claiming. I think you were attempting to fake claim a doctor role. And instead of trying to have a discussion with me you just keep posting trolly stuff. My conclusion from this is you are probably scum trying to fake claim, to what end though I'm not sure | ||
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On October 20 2016 11:37 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't want to have a conversation with you. Yeah you'll just have your scum buddy hopeless there defend your idiotic opening | ||
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On October 20 2016 11:39 Hopeless1der wrote: I think he was trying to real-claim a doctor role. Instead of trying to have a discussion, he posted trolly stuff so people wouldnt take it as seriously and mafia wouldnt shoot him in the face. I think he is probably town trying to crumb his role. To what end though, i think he just wants to stay alive and get people to support him. exo, take a step back, you're WAY too tunneled right now. This is absurd. Go back to that first post you thought he claimed dazzle and honestly tell me that Shadow Demon, Nevermore or Spirit Breaker couldn't also fit. I will admit I've had a bad habbit of tunneling in TL mafia games. But I don't like the way he's talking to me here, and I don't like how you just fill in when he won't defend himself. | ||
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On October 20 2016 14:18 Bill Murray wrote: TLDR ritoki is probably town because i see ritoky + hopeless interaction as town/maf interaction and i think WoS is being mafcoached by hopeless that leaves me here town: bill , i am perfection, exo, ritoky, kurumi scum: WoS, hopeless1der i am NOT doing null this game so if my scum list exceeds 10 people or more i dont give a flying **** these are just my opinions What about the ritoky/hopeless interaction makes you think its town/mafia interaction? | ||
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On October 20 2016 17:07 ptmc wrote: At least you got an ult -.- Are you radiant or dire? And I guess there are dire town as well as radiant scum, right? I liked Exo_s posts, but I don't necessarily know if claiming a healer is bad in this setup, since you might also somehow have to end up next to your heal-target on the list to actually heal. That might be hard without coordinating. What bugs me about WoS is his response to my initial points, and his continued responses since then. He didn't try to explain anything. If he is the doctor, it would make sense that he would want to keep his mouth shut in reaction to my questioning, but by that same logic why would he even do a breadcrumb like that in the first place? It makes no sense. In my opinion what he's doing is just trying to brush this all off. Look at the way he refuses to get involved in the discussion. Is that a town quality? Not in my opinion it isn't. He looks to me like he's waiting around for some other discussion to take over so he can fade into the background for a while. To be honest the more I think about it the more I struggle with him. Because I can't see his play really making sense for any angle. My best guess and current interpretation is he's scum trying to set up some kind of fake doctor claim later on in the game, got called on it, and is now trying to keep post count up without helping town at all. | ||
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On October 20 2016 18:55 Dandel Ion wrote: town + Show Spoiler + now that i have A READ, i can just skip the next couple pages, kkthx Are the people with Ls next to their name just going to come into the thread and say nothing at all other than to troll? Maybe tell me what you think about WoS entrance and behavior so far | ||
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On October 20 2016 19:00 Dandel Ion wrote: maybe, what you gonna do about it champ? This is the worst part about this game, the people who won't actually make any attempt to play. Like it frustrates me to no end when people just troll and somehow they get passes. Why even play if you're just gonna sit around acting smug and mocking people. At least try to solve the game please idiot. | ||
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On October 20 2016 19:20 beentheredonethat wrote: My vote is well put on Dandel and everyone should join me yeah I still have a lot of questions about WoS, but right now dandel is doing nothing but trolling. I don't see how that helps town at all. ##Unvote ##Vote Dandel | ||
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On October 21 2016 09:57 Kurumi wrote: Hopefully you shall understand everything in time. Just take your time. You can look at my list and try to figure out how do you like my reads. Can you explain what each emoticon in the list means, I think I have it but just so I know for sure | ||
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On October 21 2016 10:02 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean this in the politest possible way, but that's horseshit. I WILL BE SHOOTING ONE OF THE AFOREMENTIONED PEOPLE ON MY LIST AS OF RIGHT NOW. I suggest others do the same. Are you claiming vigi? and if you are why did you do that bullshit dazzle reference and subsequent trolling on day 1? | ||
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On October 21 2016 10:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Dear lord. Exo I was over this yesterday. If that's not good enough for you, go ahead and lynch me. I'm asking because I'm 25 pages behind on the thread. You don't have to be so hostile towards me. Are you claiming vigi then? Or what did you mean by you're shooting someone on your list? | ||
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On October 21 2016 10:08 Kurumi wrote: It's been established that most roles have a way to deal damage through their actions. I haven't known this for a long while, because I didn't read my role PM for a longer while. Wait what exactly does this mean? I don't think I get it exactly. | ||
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On October 21 2016 10:16 Bill Murray wrote: What about tictock and the other one avoiding mod kill with 1 single post How is somebody avoiding a mod kill? | ||
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On October 21 2016 10:57 Tictock wrote: I'm really confused by this. Him really vuagly hinting that he might be a protective role is scummy, but you straight out saying he is claiming doc here and thus outing him to everyone is.... ? Actually I really doubt scum posts something like this, Exo is prob town. I'm gunna enjoy looking for scum in the reactions to this post though... I've already explained what I thought, but in my opinion he wasn't vaguely hinting it. It seemed like he was very obviously claiming dazzle. "Shadow Wave" is about the closet thing to his name you get in dota. I'm aware not everybody knows dota well, which is why I pointed this out. In my opinion he walked into the thread and claimed doc and I wanted an explanation. I was drawing attention to it, b/c I thought it was an obvious lie, a lie that I cannot see any reason to tell. And tbh I still have no idea why he did that. But I'm going to try to not tunnel my first read super hard based off this one thing. Especially since WoS has been more active in the thread with shit other than trolling since then....although now that I think about it the idea that he was coached to appear townie makes a lot of sense....But I'm not sure. It's really hard for me to commit to hard pushing WoS scum here because in TL because often people come in troll and I've interpreted it as scummy in the past and have been wrong on numerous occasions. I really hate day 1. All of these meta reads on players, and people acting like they don't care as town. :/ | ||
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On October 21 2016 11:49 iamperfection wrote: TOWN iamperfection- confirmed town. beentheredonethat- Top town. Very high activity. Extremly aggresive not trying to amke friends with anyone it seems. Try to get discussion back on track in post 524 has no problem calling out bull shit. Dandel Ion- good actvity and i like post 705 as that was my thinking as well at the time. Seems like he trying to figure things out WaveofShadow- i just dont think scum comes in and is losey goosey as he was in the beggining just dosent seem like a scum tactic to me. post 1016 same reaction i had. daring people to lynch him in 1031 solid town read i would say. sicklucker- im gonna guess scum dont claim as quick as he did post 875. post 793 seems genuine to me dosent seem to care if he dies post 794. Holyflare- calling the cordinated attack a dumb idea read townie to me. Pushing his read in a solid manner post 936. Activity seems a bit low for holyflare from what i can remember. slight town read i would say would be stronger if he had more actvity. ritoky- i like post 943 and 955. post 904 seems geniune to me but he shouldnt do that. Koshi- i dont fucking no i guess town. not tryhard mafia koshi at least. HamazuraXTakitsubo- i guess town seems like a genuily confused player to the site. Possible its an act. NULL Tubesock- actvity is bad and seems to be against interacting with the thread post 974 had no followup possible atrocious town Acrofales- i dont know early on i thought town but something about his posts is just giving me a bad feeling and i cant explain it. Actvity is bad for some as capable as him null for now leaning twoards scummy might change to town if he posts spreadsheet on post 520. Kurumi- i dont understand this kid. I dont like the way he plays i dont like his list i dont like the self post for no reason i dont even like his name. but on reread seems to be confident he wont be lynched post 1009 he might be trying to figure things out i guess. ill put as null and unvote. Noithing he does makes sense to me though. Lunaticman- i dont fucking know Bill Murray- i use my one person a game not to read this persons filter on him Hopeless1der- i recind my town read he aint doing shit in my view. Tictock- post 1015 is atrocious but willing to see what he does ill go null for now. scum and shit ptmc- ehhh i dont know voted me for reasons??? dropped for no reason really voting wave because he is playing subotimally dosent come across right to me might be scum here. GlowingBear- scum isnt doing anything dosent care about town posting just for sake of posting might be bad Lord Tolkien- lurker but worse as what he little he has posted is trash imo. make useless list for lynch then complains about lists later LUL. might just be bad. Skynx- scum read. Posting stuff but does not seem in my view to be trying to kill mafia. Example post 868 throws some shade on me but does nothing with it. ExO_- something about his tone just seems unatural to me. Post 368 for example does come across to me as genuine. Literally the only thing in his filter talks about wos and could be that thing were scum catch a mistake by town try to make it scummy and focus on it entirely. Post 420 is bad after some time brings nothing to the table and then later on just talks about wave again. votes for dandel but dosent seem interested in actually killing and talks about wave more Eversince- lurker you can kill Vivax- lurker you can kill Rels- lurker you can kill ##unvote ##vote exo I am directing kp twoard the lurkers or glowingbear Yeah completely unnatural. I'm sorry I don't know how to just make meta reads and draw these conclusions like you do and instead try to post whatever comes to mind. Wave is the player I've had the strongest read on and so that's why I'm focused on him. idk what else you want from me. | ||
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On October 21 2016 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote: And thoughts on ptmc now? And exo, take a hint I think he wants you to maybe be useful and stop focusing on me for absolutely nothing just a thought you know a little advice Can we just clear it up then, why did you open the way you did? Was there a reason for fake claiming a protective role or what? Don't just be hostile and dismissive towards me, work with me a bit | ||
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On October 21 2016 12:45 Acrofales wrote: He already claimed he didn't crumb Dazzle. So whatever he was hinting at, your assumptions are wrong about what he was claiming and why he was claiming it. He also gave his reasons for claiming, which don't make a lot of sense to me, but ppl do nonsensical shit all the time. So let's climb out of the tunnel on that one post? Has WoS done anything else that you think makes him mafia? How bout other people? Well if he wasn't crumbing dazzle, why didn't he say that immediately. That's what made it scummy to me. He made what appeared to be a fake claim, I called him out on it, and instead of just saying thats not what he meant, or he wasn't crumbing dazzle he went on a troll fest. That's not a towny move from my point of view. As for anybody else who stands out as scummy for me so far the only person who really stood out to me was dandel and that was for his behavior more than anything else. idk I'm not good at making reads on day 1, and I think most of the reads in the thread are based on bullshit anyway. I've seen scum get lynched day 1 here on TL though, but I'm not any good at it. | ||
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On October 21 2016 12:56 WaveofShadow wrote: I think I broke him guys He's incapable of doing anything else for the rest of the game Jesus Christ why are you such an asshole? Could work with me but would rather be an ass. :/ | ||
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On October 21 2016 13:00 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm sorry I legitimately couldn't help it. Let's be real for a second here. You are being asked to do anything, anything to make yourself more useful than you have been, and somehow that's just not possible for you because you're just stuck on this one thing? It's a little ridiculous if you think about it. Face the fact that you're not getting what you want, and move on. I'm more than willing to have a little chat, but not for much longer 'cause its getting late. Your reaction is just as ridiculous, if not more so. And what do you want me to do? What player do you think is doing something so obviously scummy that I need to notice it? | ||
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On October 21 2016 13:03 ritoky wrote: give a read on me Lean Town, but slightly. You've made some very level-headed points that I largely agree with. Particularly in regards to trying to think the way other players would about the game. But I think you could just as easily do the same thing as scum. So far you don't sound scum-motivated to me though. | ||
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On October 22 2016 03:16 beentheredonethat wrote: That does not align. This is very odd opinion change in 10 minutes | ||
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You say to vote Vivax, and then 10 minutes later say he is capable of playing as town like this and shouldn't be voted | ||
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On October 22 2016 03:20 iamperfection wrote: He is capable as a town player. He ain't playing therfore he is scum Oh. So you think Vivax is our best lynch for today then? b/c honestly unless somebody can explain some meta reason why lunatic is scum I don't think I'm hopping on that wagon | ||
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On October 22 2016 03:43 Lord Tolkien wrote: Vote-vote kurumi-mi why? | ||
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On October 22 2016 07:28 Acrofales wrote: ExO_, did you hit me? No I attacked Koshi | ||
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On October 22 2016 07:43 Acrofales wrote: Ok. I have no clue how the attack resolution happened. The player list looks randomized to me... ExO_ is not next to koshi, so mb his attack hit me instead? I don't think eversince did jack shit, because he didn't make a single post... Did someone ranged target me? I moved down towards Koshi, but he moved wayyyy down. No idea the movement seems all over the place | ||
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On October 22 2016 09:02 Hopeless1der wrote: @the allcaps, I kind of feel like if he'd have come in and done anything it would just draw more attention to him, ending up with more people willing to shennany onto him. I'm like 80% confident koshi is town. I don't think this is true at all. He can't "do anything" aka play as a town player, because somehow that will get him lynched? It makes 0 sense. My experience with Koshi isn't nearly as much as some of the other players here. But in my opinion he is always sorta trolly, but always tries to push town in the right direction. He's not doing that here, and that's why I attacked him. Koshi is at the top of my scum list right now, and you're incredibly flaky defense of him out of no where puts you next to him. | ||
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On October 22 2016 03:28 Holyflare wrote: There's an abundance of him defending fringe people, defended sicklucker, defended hopeless, defended GB. Defending gb is also another thing that doesn't make sense from his perspective, ritoky says that gb isn't pushing me and he usually does so it's scummy but tt defends gb while pushing that ritoky was scummy for not calling me out. Why is ticktock defending SL/Hopeless/GB a problem? I might be tinfoiling a bit here, but if one of those people flips scum I think this means HF is also scum. | ||
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Civ 5 multiplayer had a small but active community. Babayetu_/Filthyrobot/Anzleon (Arvius) are the 3 biggest civ 5 streamers. Now everyone for now is trying out civ 6 and it's a lot of fun. The idea that liquid is looking to make competitive civ 5 a bigger and more mainstream thing really excites me. And if mrgametheory is any good at the game I look forward to a challenge. | ||
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On October 22 2016 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Playing Civ instead of focusing on the game lynch him Civ comes before mafia for me sorry boyos. Im still paying attention what not but I'm literally playing civ right now and talking about that announcement liquid made | ||
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On October 23 2016 05:58 Acrofales wrote: Rels (now Artanis) Lurker. Artanis might not yet have had time to take over. Not yet convinced he's scum, but if he stays lurking, he's definitely scum. Vivax Did exactly one thing all of D1/N1: make 2 posts to deflect the lynch off himself, and town shit the bed. KILL WITH FIRE Holyflare He's participating actively during the night. He did nothing during the day except to post a case on TT. His night contributions seem good. I can't really read this. Skynx Nothing good has come from this guy. Could just be bad town, but feels like he is skating by. Had an overaggressive start to the game which was badly received. Then AFK'd for long enough for people to forget about that and did the bare minimum. Once again, active during the night (when we expect scums to be plotting in their scumchat anyway. iamperfection iamperfection shit the bed. But his filter is so jam packed with stuff, that I don't really believe he's scum. Keep an eye out if he stays around. If he's still alive by D3... sicklucker Erratic. Fake claiming. I have no idea what to do with this guy. beentheredonethat Mega filter with lots of thought. ExO_ Was green, but something really weird is going on with his night actions. Claims to have hit koshi, but it's impossible. Lunaticman Was a scummy lurker. Has improved a bit during the night. HamazuraXTakitsubo Scummy lurker Tubesock Like his activity during the night Bill Murray One of my surest town reads. This is town-BM meta Koshi Agree with the scum meta reads. Eversince, now NocturneMage Holy activity, batman. Good posts and thought about who's what. Great replacement. ptmc bleeds green, and with the mod note, very little reason to doubt. Kurumi claims targeting iamperfection. Has done nothing of note. But notoriously trolly and hard to read... ritoky probably just not-very-good town. Hopeless1der Nothing has convinced me my read yesterday was wrong. Dandel Ion Duh. This is town DI WaveofShadow Some minor suspicions, but nothing real. Probably town. GlowingBear Utterly useless. Also doesn't look like he could have hit koshi if other night action claims are right... did make some townie feel posts. Lord Tolkien Utterly useless And because you all love it, some more night action speculation: The ones that really don't make sense are: ExO_. He simply cannot have hit Koshi and ended up above me. Unless someone moved me. Glowingbear. He cannot have hit Koshi and ended up that far down the player list. Instead, he must have hit Hopeless1der, or WoS jumped him to get to Lord Tolkien. Jumping to Koshi, would not have put him below Eversince/NM Some kind of shenannies or fake action claiming happened here. So I've been buried in civ land. But I hit Koshi. I have no idea what happened in the movement but that was my action. | ||
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though I think Koshi is more likely to be scum, Vivax looks like a fine lynch today | ||
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On October 24 2016 10:23 iamperfection wrote: The fact that you bring up we play dota together on like 3 separate ocasions screams to me like please dont lynch me iamp we are bros remember. Also this post is super scummy you reach no conclusions what so ever and take no stances. All you do is throw maybes and questions and take no real position. Also there is no way you should be throwing doubt on the vivax lynch unless god forbid you have extra infoirmation. Vivax came back to avoid lynched and then goes afk how can possibly think he is not scum. Also i have no idea what your talking about on me not posting i have been posting non stop pretty much are you not reading the thread? IF so why do you talk about the 3p claim when i was the one to first talk to the kid. Did you forget that and only hear about the 3p claim in your scum qt? I likely kill you next lynch. But where is Vivax right now? If he is going to be Mod Killed we're wasting our time if we vote him. I think Koshi should explain himself and how his ability works. If he cannot or will not I think he would be a good candidate to lynch assuming Vivax stays afk and sets himself up to be mod killed. | ||
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On October 24 2016 10:28 iamperfection wrote: do you agree with my points on LT exo? let me read them | ||
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On October 24 2016 10:23 iamperfection wrote: The fact that you bring up we play dota together on like 3 separate ocasions screams to me like please dont lynch me iamp we are bros remember. Also this post is super scummy you reach no conclusions what so ever and take no stances. All you do is throw maybes and questions and take no real position. Also there is no way you should be throwing doubt on the vivax lynch unless god forbid you have extra infoirmation. Vivax came back to avoid lynched and then goes afk how can possibly think he is not scum. Also i have no idea what your talking about on me not posting i have been posting non stop pretty much are you not reading the thread? IF so why do you talk about the 3p claim when i was the one to first talk to the kid. Did you forget that and only hear about the 3p claim in your scum qt? I likely kill you next lynch. I actually think LT made some decent points, and drew some decent conclusions. I don't see him bringing up you 2 playing dota together in the post you quoted, and I think you are certainly stretching by saying he's trying to leverage that to stop you from lynching him. He makes a good point about Vivax. I'm not familiar with Vivax's meta but if he is afk I think we should have a backup lynch. Again I think lynching a mod kill should be wasted. It's definitely worth exploring other options at the very least. I didn't really like anything he had to say early game here, but I think scum reading him based on this post is wrong. | ||
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On October 24 2016 10:34 iamperfection wrote: what do you mean read them you read my post already..................................... You said LT and I was thinking sick lucker (SL). I started to read your filter to search for it at first. Sorry I've never played with Lord Tolkien before so LT didn't stand out to me immediately. | ||
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I don't think it can hurt to at least talk about having another target if it looks like Vivax will die of Mod kill | ||
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On October 24 2016 14:19 ritoky wrote: i refuse to rely on the mod for modkills. ESPECIALLY cuz it is vivax. for history lessons, in a game about 2 yrs ago? i was mafia in a position where it was literally stone impossible for me to escape lynch so i did not post the entire phase. the town (vivax included) decided i would be modkilled and to lynch someone else. i voted with 7 seconds left in the day as my only required post. they lynched town and lost a phase that probably could have won them the game. since then vivax has said "never again" repeatedly when people try to plan around modkills instead of lynches. i refuse to play around modkills. especially with him. it will bite you eventually. So if weren't kill Vivax who would you want to kill? Also where is Koshi? | ||
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On October 24 2016 14:28 ritoky wrote: kinda just posted this last page. but probably lunaticman, he fucked off when the wagon came off him and has done pretty much jack since. i also wouldn't mind a wagon on SL just to try to force his underachieving ass to play hard for an hour or two so i can get a good read on him that i can ride the rest of the game. And you aren't suspicious of Koshi at all? Where has he been since he talked about his ability? | ||
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On October 24 2016 20:55 Vivax wrote: Yo, I was at a glacier this weekend and my care level for this game is really low. I'll just play now and you lynch me anyway. That's fine, I'd do the same in your stead. rofl this is how you come back into the thread? Keep the votes on Vivax boys | ||
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On October 24 2016 21:03 Koshi wrote: The good news is we can actually lynch somebody besides you!! The bad news is nobody gives a fuck and prefers to just auto lynch me tomorrow. Koshi I'll give you one chance. Explain as much as you can how your ability works. | ||
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On October 24 2016 21:13 Acrofales wrote: Empty threat. He lives at least one more phase anyway. Might as well humor him. I don't really care how he claims his ability works, as long as the top 2 people in the vote list die. He could day vig them for all I care. If the top 2 people die, we can discuss it for tomorrow's lynch. You don't really care about how he claims his ability works? That's a pretty damn important thing to not care about. If you don't question him about how his ability works, how can we ever figure out if he's lying? | ||
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But under what specific conditions can you kill 2 people? | ||
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On October 24 2016 21:20 Koshi wrote: TRY TO READ THE THREAD BRO. I HAVE ONLY FUCKING EXPLAINED IT 54625754 TIMES. FUCK MY LIFE. Quote your filter where you explain it, because I'm not seeing it | ||
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Yeah so you're trying to tell me that you have an ability that lets you lynch another player if 2 wagons have a lot of votes? Or what exactly? Do you have to send the action in just before the timer, or at night or what? | ||
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On October 24 2016 21:35 Koshi wrote: Everything can be mafia, my hero is pretty mafia aka evil, but it is 100% FUCKING PRO TOWN 100% CONFIRMED HOLY SHIT. lynch Koshi next he's full of shit | ||
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Some great bullshit to wake up to. I took 5 damage btw. | ||
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I know I've been largely afk from this game. But starting tomorrow I'll step it up | ||
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I'm going to see if I can solve anything about this game. But before I even really get started: We need to be voting Vivax today. What happened yesterday doesn't make a lot of sense unless Vivax is scum. It's gonna take me a while to really go through the thread, so if anybody has any questions for me or directions to point me in please mention them. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 22 2016 03:39 disformation wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Vivax (5): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Lunaticman (4): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, Koshi (3): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx ritoky (2): Holyflare, Kurumi (2): WaveofShadow (1): Dandel Ion (1): Lord Tolkien (1): Kurumi Tictock (1); Vivax Rels (0): ptmc (0): Skynx (0): iamperfection (0): Holyflare (0): beentheredonethat (0): Hopeless1der (0): ExO_ (0): Not voted (4): Tictock, Rels, Eversince, WaveofShadow It looks like Vivax is about to be owned. Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) and resolves one hour later, at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. HF came in and voted TT, and then you have iamp, Tubesock, Dandel, Ritoky all within 5 minutes of each other. This made him the lead wagon at 7 votes, with lunatic man being 2nd closest at 3. Tubesock then bails for Koshi, a few other random votes happen, before BM/Koshi/bndt all come in to seal the deal. On day 2 Vivax was basically a lock, before lunatic started really picking up some steam. TS says some really interesting things in this time period: + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2016 02:48 Tubesock wrote: I don't think Lunatic is mafia. But I don't have any solid reasons. Mostly I didn't like the wagon yesterday. ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax ##Vote: Skynx On October 25 2016 03:39 Tubesock wrote: I think Luna is town. I won't vote for him. Looking through his filter, I tried to gather his reads. Towns: beentheredonethat 1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF) I think that's it. Scums: HolyFlare Koshi (if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF) I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him. He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that. I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc. I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town. Lunaticman is town. + Show Spoiler [1st post votes Koshi] + On October 20 2016 19:32 Lunaticman wrote: I just can't handle more of Koshi's platitudes. Obvious scum play as usual. #Vote Koshi + Show Spoiler [towns beenthere] + On October 20 2016 21:30 Lunaticman wrote: The tone of beentheredonethat reads as town to me, putting him in my town circle for now. + Show Spoiler [Fear reads HF, next post scums HF] + On October 21 2016 01:22 Lunaticman wrote: HF, looking like town but I'm not ready to buy what's on sale yet. Still have trust issues with you. On October 21 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote: That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play. Second mafia is probably HF after Koshi. + Show Spoiler [angst spirit] + On October 21 2016 04:39 Lunaticman wrote: Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around. HF is obviously trying to make me look scum. + Show Spoiler [defensive] + On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote: I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why. On October 21 2016 04:50 Lunaticman wrote: haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc. + Show Spoiler [More HF Scum] + On October 22 2016 18:39 Lunaticman wrote: HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi. You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation. For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing. A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not. On October 22 2016 19:07 Lunaticman wrote: Chill, maybe I was a bit vague. I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not. For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader. Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective. The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose. + Show Spoiler [Koshi/Art 1 is mafia] + On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote: There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3 On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote: Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die. The really interesting thing here is these posts are about 50 minutes apart. Instead of seeing something then drawing a conclusion based on what he saw, TS first drew the conclusion that lunaticman is town, then found the evidence to back it up. I find TS highly suspicious.He hops off the Vivax wagon (after being the first to vote him), and then he hops off the TT wagon day 1 as soon as it got a majority. He defends lunaticman as the lunatic wagon is gaining steam on day 2. And then surprise No lynch on day 2. I think this heavily implicates Tubesock. I could see Lunaticman being either scum or town here. It makes a lot more sense to me if Lunaticman is scum, as it would explain why day 2 ends without a lynch with the threat of Koshi's Double lynch. However for me to accept this idea Koshi has to be telling the truth. I can't stand playing with Koshi b/c of how intolerable he is to everyone. It makes me think he's a lying and scum even when he is telling the truth. On the other side of the coin, I could also see TS making a case for Lunaticman in an attempt to earn towncred for later. But then I'm left with the question: why did day 2 end without a lynch? Maybe scum didn't end the day maybe it was a 3rd party role? Or maybe Vivax is scum and the move was purely to keep him alive?...hmmm I'm not sure. Either way, my initial thoughts are that TS looks very scummy to me. I think I'm gonna check out Koshi now. But I think TS is my strongest scum read after Vivax. | ||
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On October 26 2016 17:03 Bill Murray wrote: i like exo's ts read a lot why? | ||
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On October 26 2016 19:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Game is boring, and I'm lazy. Claiming 3p. Can't say much about my wincon other than that there's a bunch of them and if I claim them they become invalid so I can't :|. They're mostly related to characters so I have no idea if those are town or mafia. It's why I've been smugly saying "not scum" every time wave pinged me So you have several win conditions, but can't discuss any of them. How can we know your win conditions are town aligned? What incentive do you have to work with town to find and kill scum? | ||
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On October 26 2016 19:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: They're related to dealing with certain heroes. Since I have no idea who they are or what alignment they are I mind as well work with town to find scum. My incentive is to have the game last longer so I can actually achieve said wincons. Then tell us some of the hero names. That could potentially be a big help. If we know some of the other heroes we can maybe work out potentially what they might do. | ||
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I'm skeptical right now. I'd be less skeptical if I knew if any of those heroes are in the game. Something is off | ||
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On October 26 2016 20:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That you save a lynch on them? I have like 15 heroes or something in my objectives total. You went from 5 to 15. Alright idk what your objective is but I'm fairly certain you are lying. If it looks like scum, and walks like scum.... | ||
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On October 26 2016 20:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I never mentioned having '5'. You asked me to name some and I named some. Naming them all would be very silly. You can argue semantics all you want, but to list 4, then specifically mention 1 other implies 5 pretty heavily. Otherwise why add legion commander to the list you mentioned? Especially as viper. Viper is the most boring ass hero in dota and for him to have a complicated role like this makes no sense. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to use this argument, but I cannot see a world in which the game designers used Viper (one of the heroes with the smallest amount of lore and fewest "rivals") to be this super complicated role with interactions to all of these different heroes. You are lying. | ||
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On October 26 2016 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm pretty annoyed with the lack of discussion of the stuff I posted. Especially the vote count thing. Does everyone really just agree with me blindly? I mean that's cool and all but I'm not really used to it. Quote yourself and I'll look at it now | ||
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On October 26 2016 21:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Here ya go, but I bet you're not gonna like it..... :D :D I think how the votes got there matters just as much (for example see my post on the Day 1 voting situation). Personally I got wrapped up in civ 6 stuff and didn't see the point in changing my vote. I find it very interesting that you point out Kurumi when you yourself are sitting on LT with him. Did you mean to call out yourself with this post as well? In fact what am I supposed to get from this? You highlighted a bunch of names but didn't really explain how the way these votes ended up indicates scum or town. So it looks to me 100% like confirmation bias. But to give you a fair shake: Explain to me why you think I'm scum, other than the fact that I was mostly CIV6afk for a bit. | ||
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On October 26 2016 21:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I gotta say it looks even worse on ExO that he didn't bother commenting on any of that at all until prompted. Ptmc you at the very least mentioned it. commented on all of what until prompted? | ||
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On October 26 2016 21:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Well or lunaticman. I think our KP is better served on GB/other scummers though. I'm still waiting | ||
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On October 26 2016 22:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright let's get to this Exo thing. Did I mean to call out myself? Sure I did. Point being, I know I'm town and I have explained on numerous occasions why I stuck on LT that day. Had I been around and seen to change my vote I would undoubtedly have changed to TT (and been wrong anyway, but that's besides the point). So the fact that my vote is also a throwaway is irrelevant to my purposes and should in theory also be to everyone else's but you're right in that I suppose I can't necessarily expect everyone else to ignore it the same way. I'll explain the vote analysis a little further though. Scum are very paranoid when it comes to voting. There are a couple of main patterns that are typically followed. One is that they will pick a target and stick with said target to absolve themselves of the responsibility to switch or potentially be forced to bus/nail their own teammate. The second is that they will spread themselves out fairly thin so as to avoid any incidental lynches or shenanigans and once again to absolve themselves of responsibility if they are afk at lynch time. Also this helps if vote analysis is done later and a couple scummers are voting for the same obvious townie or something---it just looks really bad and one of the absolute most important things scum are worried about is looking bad. Most of the people I highlighted fit both of the above voting patterns in many cases, and all of them I believe fit at least one of them. Combined with their general scumminess throughout the game and you have yourself a slam dunk analysis imo. You yourself mention you didn't 'see the point' in changing your vote since you were busy playing Civ. You fit into both categories---you were stuck on Dandel for who knows what reason when basically nobody else was (he was one of the people instrumental in leading lynches and so people trusted him) and you didn't care that your vote was spread out/useless. I have you a bit lower on my list on purpose I I do believe there is a chance you could be town, but I'm still not sure how I feel after your 'rabid and wholely useless attack on me D1 and nothing useful after that' strategy. At the time, Dandel was not instrumental in leading any lynches. In fact I'm not even sure I'd call him "instrumental" at all here yet. On October 26 2016 09:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I have you a bit lower on my list on purpose I I do believe there is a chance you could be town, but I'm still not sure how I feel after your 'rabid and wholely useless attack on me D1 and nothing useful after that' strategy. Basically on day 1 you trolled instead of working with me. I made numerous attempts to get you to communicate with me, and instead you thumbed your nose at me and were an ass. Your case on me boils down to an OMGUS. | ||
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On October 26 2016 22:27 WaveofShadow wrote: And commenting on anything that happened last night, including the fact that I literally claimed to have 100% caught a scum, and made cases, AND interacted with him. You instead go off in your own little world about Tubesock and ignore the important things in the thread. That to me looks like you're not focusing on my case/claim and hoping it goes away. I didn't see this. When I asked you to quote for me, you quoted your little confirmation bias post. I don't even know which scum you are claiming to have 100% caught and interacted with. Jesus Christ its like you think you are the center of the Universe. I make a case on Tubesock because I legitimate think he might be scum. He's definitely the scummiest looking person short of Vivax to me. And instead of giving my case the time of day, you think I should be focused entirely on your thoughts? If you want my opinions on your thoughts, give them to me when I ask. I want to work together to find scum, but all you seem to care about is getting attention for your own thoughts. | ||
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On October 26 2016 22:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Your entire attempt to communicate with me was based on role speculation, and a completely absurd one, at that. I found absolutely no use in it, and therefore had no desire to engage you. I have already listed a few things that make me think you're scum and if you think OMGUS is the only reason I think so then you're welcome to it, but as far as I can tell, that's not going to convince me you're not---and you should probably focus on that in some way since I'm the one doing a lot of the legwork atm. Exactly what I'm talking about. You're only concerned with stroking your own ego. Whether or not you're scum looking to push town cred into everyone's face, or you're town more obsessed with screaming at everyone "HEY LOOK AT ME IM IMPORTANT" I'm not sure. | ||
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On October 26 2016 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote: YOURE DONE WITH ME WHEN I SAY YOU ARE I mean ok, sure. Was actually writing something up about your TS thing but I suppose I'll shelve it for now. ALL ABOARD THE GB KILLTRAIN CHOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOO Why is my case not valid for you to look at? I'm going to ignore you, so suddenly you can't even consider what I wrote? Real townie play right there | ||
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I'm going to cool off and probably go to sleep. I'll attempt to ignore WoS for the rest of the game I guess. | ||
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On October 26 2016 22:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Ding ding ding ding TS has been extremely transparent with his reads and actions. This is a silyl thing for scum to do, and not worth the attempt to 'make a play.' I also don't think he's ever required prompting. Unlike SOME people I can think of (AHEMBEARAHEM) For that matter, Exo have you ever claimed your actions or actions taken on you either? Yes I have. I've claimed attacking Koshi and I've claimed taking 5hp damage. Maybe if you'd stick your head out of your own ass you could read some of my posts? | ||
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On October 26 2016 22:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Night ExO_. + Show Spoiler + Your sleep schedule must be pretty off to go to bed at this time O_o Yeah its really fucked lol. | ||
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On October 26 2016 22:58 ptmc wrote: hey, no pocketing! but i rather wanted to hear exo_s thoughts I'm seriously getting ready to go to sleep, but link me what you want me to look at real quick | ||
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Makes me want to look at Koshi harder, especially if TS flips scum | ||
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On October 28 2016 02:04 Skynx wrote: I mean I really have hard time comprehending you guys when we have confirmed scum alive and people wanna vote other wagons. On top of that I get sr when i suggest thats a bad idea. I'll be around for EoD and switch my vote back to Vivax if shenanigans start happening. On the other hand this is a chance to confirm Koshi as town, or as a scummy liar. I think with the way the votes are right now its not a bad idea to figure out Koshi one way or another. | ||
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On October 28 2016 02:11 Acrofales wrote: I don't know why, but this gives me the heebyjeebies. Why would it. Do you not want to see if Koshi is a giant liar or not, because I think he might be. This is a super easy way to prove it one way or the other. | ||
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On October 28 2016 02:19 Acrofales wrote: It wasn't there content of the message. It was something about how you said it. Overly clinical and constructed or something. Basically what my posts do to iamp and WoS... Overly clinical and constructed? lol. whatever you say | ||
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On October 28 2016 02:19 Acrofales wrote: It wasn't there content of the message. It was something about how you said it. Overly clinical and constructed or something. Basically what my posts do to iamp and WoS... Not to mention do you think having luna as a second wagon is a bad idea? You're kinda dodging the core of what I'm saying by saying you're "spooked". | ||
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Not that there's any way Vivax gets off the hook today I just found it odd that Kurumi would even bother to switch back to the Vivax wagon with so little time left | ||
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On October 28 2016 15:26 Tubesock wrote: After I die, kill ExO_. All of his points against his scum targets are nitpicky and he fakes rage to show emotion. I'm guilty of what ExO_ said. I thought Lunatic was town. I then went through his filter and took notes and quotes while I went. I then put forth that case which everyone quickly disregarded. There wasn't much point in pushing it and he didn't exactly seem to care to live. I think Koshi, Sicklucker and I are probably never going to be figured out without dying. So you should kill us all fairly quickly. After I die and you see I flip green then kill ExO_ and look at Skynx. Can you explain your vote moving on day 1? Why did you jump on the Vivax wagon, then jump off as it was gaining steam? After you die I'll be confirmed town because you are scum. I can confirm I attacked you last night, and received 0 damage as well. You're confirming you did exactly what I said you did. Which only makes sense to do as a scum. Why would you do that as town? | ||
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Regardless I still think Tube is mafia. He never did really explain adequately why he moved the way he did. For me that leaves Tube/Kurumi/SL/Skynx as the most likely list of scum | ||
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On October 29 2016 20:08 sicklucker wrote: notice put you at the bottom of the list and only include you if its a 5 mafia game and not a 4 mafia game. still mafia doe I'm not scum in the slightest. With all of these 3p roles it wouldn't surprise me if there were only 4 scum. It's hard for me to figure out what the setup might have been. You have a more accurate idea how many scum are total in the game, tell me how many scum buddies do you have? | ||
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On October 29 2016 20:05 Koshi wrote: Well sl is not mafia. So dont get tunneled towards that read till end of game. Always lynch ts kurumi after skynx. Then ritoky if he is not out of the game. How do you know he's not mafia? | ||
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On October 31 2016 00:00 WaveofShadow wrote: I was about to ask why not just attack the next person on the list (kurumi) instead of wait to lynch him, but he claimed bristleback (and assuming some sort of damage return) right? In which case I think I'm OK to go ExO punch next but I'm definitely not certain of his alignment. We need Artanis and ritoky to kill some dudes. When we have people literally just lurking doing nothing all game, a la kurumi, why in the world would I be the next person to attack? Like I'm town. I'm at the bottom of everyone's scum list and yet I'm being suggested to be attacked right now? Anybody suggesting to attack me here clearly has an alternate agenda | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:43 Acrofales wrote: Yay. You lynched Koshi! Told you he was scum! WoS and ritoky carried. Everybody else was afk jungle or straight up feeding. Oh, and we already talked about it a bit in obs qt, but I think Artanis' wincons were too luck dependent. Other than that, surprisingly well balanced despite that scum had 2 abilities to mess with the lynch... Game looks super different though if I don't take all that damage from iamp though | ||
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