|
On October 24 2016 10:23 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 10:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:
1) I would really like it if we could find a way to confirm BTDT as town, despite his flagrant filter padding. That would certainly make this game easier. The best way would be for koshi to flip scum, but he is claiming the ability to double lynch, which basically confirms him town unless we don't get a double lynch. But then again, why the would he claim the ability to double lynch when there's obviously a mafia roleblock going around. That's actually a stupid thing to do even if you're under pressure from KP, it mildly makes sense given death will cancel the ability out (because it would probably fall under "other"), but actually. This is retarded and we likely have 0 way to verify because he'll never get it off.
So Koshi, please explain your double lynch more thoroughly and tell us why you'd claim it like this or die. Today, preferably. Because it makes no sense.
2) The complete lack of defense or attempt to deflect off of Vivax at all is mildly disconcerting. Plus he's on track to be modkilled D2 so...I'm not sold on the lynch anymore.
3) I'm going to assume Dandel is Schrodinger's scummer, since I obv. cannot read him from the 1 game i played with him.
4) Is HxT just confused noob town or mafia using noob shield. idk, could just kill him today instead of Vivax because he's using noob shield excuse, and if he actually flips scum I can confirm BTDT. But then again he might also be modkilled and replaced so argh.
5) So GB. Why haven't you done anything if you aren't scum. You're always low-key when scum and super-active as town, so tell me. Why shouldn't we lynch you today?
6) Fun fact, I get unblockable/unredirectable KP with my basic attacks now. coo'.
7) The fuck is with this 3p meepo claim. It mildly makes sense, but when 1 meepo dies all meepos die. But then again they decided to classify my hero as an offlaner, lul, so. I'll rule it plausible.
8) SL claims BS. Hrm. Hmmmmmm. What town role does checking HP even serve for town as opposed to mafia, who are better able to coordinate KP to kill off town.
9) I will reverse my call to kill Kurumi for today. Mostly because I don't trust wave still and mostly because I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in re. to time constraints. Even if all he's promising to do is give fucking lists.
10) meh, I like iamp, but then again I know he's not posting mostly because we're playing DotA.
I'm off to play DotA, but I'm prob going to give NocturneMage a read tonight to figure out why the fuck mafia killed him tonight. Might've been rolechecked D1 but eh, think it's probably his filter. The fact that you bring up we play dota together on like 3 separate ocasions screams to me like please dont lynch me iamp we are bros remember. Also this post is super scummy you reach no conclusions what so ever and take no stances. All you do is throw maybes and questions and take no real position. Also there is no way you should be throwing doubt on the vivax lynch unless god forbid you have extra infoirmation. Vivax came back to avoid lynched and then goes afk how can possibly think he is not scum. Also i have no idea what your talking about on me not posting i have been posting non stop pretty much are you not reading the thread? IF so why do you talk about the 3p claim when i was the one to first talk to the kid. Did you forget that and only hear about the 3p claim in your scum qt? I likely kill you next lynch.
I actually think LT made some decent points, and drew some decent conclusions. I don't see him bringing up you 2 playing dota together in the post you quoted, and I think you are certainly stretching by saying he's trying to leverage that to stop you from lynching him.
He makes a good point about Vivax. I'm not familiar with Vivax's meta but if he is afk I think we should have a backup lynch. Again I think lynching a mod kill should be wasted. It's definitely worth exploring other options at the very least.
I didn't really like anything he had to say early game here, but I think scum reading him based on this post is wrong.
|
On October 24 2016 10:34 iamperfection wrote:
what do you mean read them you read my post already.....................................
You said LT and I was thinking sick lucker (SL). I started to read your filter to search for it at first.
Sorry I've never played with Lord Tolkien before so LT didn't stand out to me immediately.
|
Wait why is ptmc mod confirmed?
|
Ritoky you are trying to mischaracterize me. I think Vivax should die, but I'm saying we should be talking about a 2nd target. Esp. if he's going to die of mod kill anyway.
I don't think it can hurt to at least talk about having another target if it looks like Vivax will die of Mod kill
|
On October 24 2016 14:19 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 14:15 ExO_ wrote:
Ritoky you are trying to mischaracterize me. I think Vivax should die, but I'm saying we should be talking about a 2nd target. Esp. if he's going to die of mod kill anyway.
I don't think it can hurt to at least talk about having another target if it looks like Vivax will die of Mod kill i refuse to rely on the mod for modkills. ESPECIALLY cuz it is vivax. for history lessons, in a game about 2 yrs ago? i was mafia in a position where it was literally stone impossible for me to escape lynch so i did not post the entire phase. the town (vivax included) decided i would be modkilled and to lynch someone else. i voted with 7 seconds left in the day as my only required post. they lynched town and lost a phase that probably could have won them the game. since then vivax has said "never again" repeatedly when people try to plan around modkills instead of lynches. i refuse to play around modkills. especially with him. it will bite you eventually.
So if weren't kill Vivax who would you want to kill?
Also where is Koshi?
|
ewbop if we weren't killing Vivax
|
On October 24 2016 14:28 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 14:24 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 14:19 ritoky wrote:On October 24 2016 14:15 ExO_ wrote:
Ritoky you are trying to mischaracterize me. I think Vivax should die, but I'm saying we should be talking about a 2nd target. Esp. if he's going to die of mod kill anyway.
I don't think it can hurt to at least talk about having another target if it looks like Vivax will die of Mod kill i refuse to rely on the mod for modkills. ESPECIALLY cuz it is vivax. for history lessons, in a game about 2 yrs ago? i was mafia in a position where it was literally stone impossible for me to escape lynch so i did not post the entire phase. the town (vivax included) decided i would be modkilled and to lynch someone else. i voted with 7 seconds left in the day as my only required post. they lynched town and lost a phase that probably could have won them the game. since then vivax has said "never again" repeatedly when people try to plan around modkills instead of lynches. i refuse to play around modkills. especially with him. it will bite you eventually. So if weren't kill Vivax who would you want to kill? Also where is Koshi? kinda just posted this last page. but probably lunaticman, he fucked off when the wagon came off him and has done pretty much jack since. i also wouldn't mind a wagon on SL just to try to force his underachieving ass to play hard for an hour or two so i can get a good read on him that i can ride the rest of the game.
And you aren't suspicious of Koshi at all? Where has he been since he talked about his ability?
|
seems to me like he got the attention off himself and has disappeared as well
|
On October 24 2016 20:55 Vivax wrote:
Yo, I was at a glacier this weekend and my care level for this game is really low. I'll just play now and you lynch me anyway. That's fine, I'd do the same in your stead.
rofl this is how you come back into the thread? Keep the votes on Vivax boys
|
On October 24 2016 21:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 20:55 Vivax wrote:
Yo, I was at a glacier this weekend and my care level for this game is really low. I'll just play now and you lynch me anyway. That's fine, I'd do the same in your stead. The good news is we can actually lynch somebody besides you!! The bad news is nobody gives a fuck and prefers to just auto lynch me tomorrow.
Koshi I'll give you one chance. Explain as much as you can how your ability works.
|
On October 24 2016 21:13 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 21:10 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 21:03 Koshi wrote:On October 24 2016 20:55 Vivax wrote:
Yo, I was at a glacier this weekend and my care level for this game is really low. I'll just play now and you lynch me anyway. That's fine, I'd do the same in your stead. The good news is we can actually lynch somebody besides you!! The bad news is nobody gives a fuck and prefers to just auto lynch me tomorrow. Koshi I'll give you one chance. Explain as much as you can how your ability works. Empty threat. He lives at least one more phase anyway. Might as well humor him. I don't really care how he claims his ability works, as long as the top 2 people in the vote list die. He could day vig them for all I care. If the top 2 people die, we can discuss it for tomorrow's lynch.
You don't really care about how he claims his ability works? That's a pretty damn important thing to not care about. If you don't question him about how his ability works, how can we ever figure out if he's lying?
|
On October 24 2016 21:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 21:16 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 21:13 Acrofales wrote:On October 24 2016 21:10 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 21:03 Koshi wrote:On October 24 2016 20:55 Vivax wrote:
Yo, I was at a glacier this weekend and my care level for this game is really low. I'll just play now and you lynch me anyway. That's fine, I'd do the same in your stead. The good news is we can actually lynch somebody besides you!! The bad news is nobody gives a fuck and prefers to just auto lynch me tomorrow. Koshi I'll give you one chance. Explain as much as you can how your ability works. Empty threat. He lives at least one more phase anyway. Might as well humor him. I don't really care how he claims his ability works, as long as the top 2 people in the vote list die. He could day vig them for all I care. If the top 2 people die, we can discuss it for tomorrow's lynch. You don't really care about how he claims his ability works? That's a pretty damn important thing to not care about. If you don't question him about how his ability works, how can we ever figure out if he's lying? 2 people die = I am not lieing.
But under what specific conditions can you kill 2 people?
|
On October 24 2016 21:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 21:19 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 21:18 Koshi wrote:On October 24 2016 21:16 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 21:13 Acrofales wrote:On October 24 2016 21:10 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 21:03 Koshi wrote:On October 24 2016 20:55 Vivax wrote:
Yo, I was at a glacier this weekend and my care level for this game is really low. I'll just play now and you lynch me anyway. That's fine, I'd do the same in your stead. The good news is we can actually lynch somebody besides you!! The bad news is nobody gives a fuck and prefers to just auto lynch me tomorrow. Koshi I'll give you one chance. Explain as much as you can how your ability works. Empty threat. He lives at least one more phase anyway. Might as well humor him. I don't really care how he claims his ability works, as long as the top 2 people in the vote list die. He could day vig them for all I care. If the top 2 people die, we can discuss it for tomorrow's lynch. You don't really care about how he claims his ability works? That's a pretty damn important thing to not care about. If you don't question him about how his ability works, how can we ever figure out if he's lying? 2 people die = I am not lieing. But under what specific conditions can you kill 2 people? TRY TO READ THE THREAD BRO. I HAVE ONLY FUCKING EXPLAINED IT 54625754 TIMES. FUCK MY LIFE.
Quote your filter where you explain it, because I'm not seeing it
|
On October 24 2016 21:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 21:22 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 21:20 Koshi wrote:On October 24 2016 21:19 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 21:18 Koshi wrote:On October 24 2016 21:16 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 21:13 Acrofales wrote:On October 24 2016 21:10 ExO_ wrote:On October 24 2016 21:03 Koshi wrote:On October 24 2016 20:55 Vivax wrote:
Yo, I was at a glacier this weekend and my care level for this game is really low. I'll just play now and you lynch me anyway. That's fine, I'd do the same in your stead. The good news is we can actually lynch somebody besides you!! The bad news is nobody gives a fuck and prefers to just auto lynch me tomorrow. Koshi I'll give you one chance. Explain as much as you can how your ability works. Empty threat. He lives at least one more phase anyway. Might as well humor him. I don't really care how he claims his ability works, as long as the top 2 people in the vote list die. He could day vig them for all I care. If the top 2 people die, we can discuss it for tomorrow's lynch. You don't really care about how he claims his ability works? That's a pretty damn important thing to not care about. If you don't question him about how his ability works, how can we ever figure out if he's lying? 2 people die = I am not lieing. But under what specific conditions can you kill 2 people? TRY TO READ THE THREAD BRO. I HAVE ONLY FUCKING EXPLAINED IT 54625754 TIMES. FUCK MY LIFE. Quote your filter where you explain it, because I'm not seeing it Pile votes on 2 wagons. Really. tyvm.
Yeah so you're trying to tell me that you have an ability that lets you lynch another player if 2 wagons have a lot of votes? Or what exactly? Do you have to send the action in just before the timer, or at night or what?
|
On October 24 2016 21:35 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 21:33 beentheredonethat wrote:
Could that ability be a mafia ability, too? Everything can be mafia, my hero is pretty mafia aka evil, but it is 100% FUCKING PRO TOWN 100% CONFIRMED HOLY SHIT.
lynch Koshi next he's full of shit
|
........the hell happened? Our votes were just voided?
Some great bullshit to wake up to. I took 5 damage btw.
|
I mentioned this earlier, but I took 5 damage as well.
I know I've been largely afk from this game. But starting tomorrow I'll step it up
|
Alright enough procrastinating.
I'm going to see if I can solve anything about this game. But before I even really get started:
We need to be voting Vivax today. What happened yesterday doesn't make a lot of sense unless Vivax is scum.
It's gonna take me a while to really go through the thread, so if anybody has any questions for me or directions to point me in please mention them.
|
The first thing I notice is this. On day 1 we had:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 22 2016 03:39 disformation wrote:Vote Count - Day 1 Vivax (5): Tubesock, iamperfection, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Acrofales, Dandel Ion Lunaticman (4): ritoky, Koshi, HamazuraXTakitsubo, sicklucker, SkynxKoshi (3): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat, Skynx ritoky (2): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear Kurumi (2): Kurumi, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Bill Murray WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_ Lord Tolkien (1): Kurumi Tictock (1); Vivax Rels (0): Vivaxptmc (0): WaveofShadowSkynx (0): Koshi, Acrofalesiamperfection (0): AcrofalesHolyflare (0): Bill Murraybeentheredonethat (0): Dandel Ion, WaveofShadowHopeless1der (0): Koshi, Acrofales, SkynxExO_ (0): Dandel Ion, iamperfectionNot voted (4): Tictock, Rels, Eversince, WaveofShadow It looks like Vivax is about to be owned.
Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) and resolves one hour later, at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
HF came in and voted TT, and then you have iamp, Tubesock, Dandel, Ritoky all within 5 minutes of each other. This made him the lead wagon at 7 votes, with lunatic man being 2nd closest at 3. Tubesock then bails for Koshi, a few other random votes happen, before BM/Koshi/bndt all come in to seal the deal.
On day 2 Vivax was basically a lock, before lunatic started really picking up some steam. TS says some really interesting things in this time period:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 25 2016 02:48 Tubesock wrote:
I don't think Lunatic is mafia. But I don't have any solid reasons. Mostly I didn't like the wagon yesterday.
##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax
##Vote: Skynx On October 25 2016 03:39 Tubesock wrote:I think Luna is town. I won't vote for him. Looking through his filter, I tried to gather his reads. Towns: beentheredonethat 1 of Koshi/Artanis (and only because of dead HF) I think that's it. Scums: HolyFlareKoshi (if not Koshi then Artanis[Xp] and 100% sheep of HF) I don't know Lunaticman. Never played with him. But if he is mafia, is he lunatic enough to tunnel hard on 2 strong willed players? Like right out the gate. He immediately votes Koshi, then still within the first 12 hours or so of the game he starts on HF. And Never leaves either of them the ENTIRE time. He's still on Koshi. Mafia or town, going headstrong on HF kinda means you just may die. Lunaticman attacks and goes after him. He doesn't veer off from them. WHich i think is towny too. I know when I start thinking strongly that someone is mafia, I get more obstinate. It pretty much dominates my conversation if no one is listening or agreeing. There was shade on HF when he wasn't playing. Then he did and everyone thought he was town (otherwise why follow his TT case?). Lunatic still scum'd him till HF died. He had perfect opportunity to town HF and get off HF's bad side and still look good for going up against him. But town doesn't do that. I spoiled a few of his posts but not all. The ones I skipped either were repeats of earlier posts (like HF is scum for making him appear bad) etc. I think his main crime isn't putting in 12 hours a day here and only giving 5 player reads. Maybe a bit defensive but I've seen worse from town. Lunaticman is town.+ Show Spoiler [1st post votes Koshi] +On October 20 2016 19:32 Lunaticman wrote:
I just can't handle more of Koshi's platitudes. Obvious scum play as usual.
#Vote Koshi On October 20 2016 21:30 Lunaticman wrote:
The tone of beentheredonethat reads as town to me, putting him in my town circle for now. On October 21 2016 01:22 Lunaticman wrote:
HF, looking like town but I'm not ready to buy what's on sale yet. Still have trust issues with you. On October 21 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
apparantly you're not the only one
at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy. Also ritoky is definitely mafia. That is some shady accusations without any reasons and I beg to differ greatly. I have been on point, I think you are trying to undermine my credibility. Typical mafia play. Second mafia is probably HF after Koshi. On October 21 2016 04:39 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 03:33 Holyflare wrote:On October 21 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
apparantly you're not the only one
at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy. Also ritoky is definitely mafia. Yeh, pmtc or whatever his name is pretty on point. Lunatic's read on koshi was after everyone else started calling out koshi. Lunatic's other reads are one liners that are throwaway comments despite making a post that only important things should be posted. Then he calls me town and mafia like to do that. Stop sheeping and undermining me, I was meta reading Koshi independently from anyone, in fact bt was sheeping my read not the other way around. HF is obviously trying to make me look scum. On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 03:19 Holyflare wrote:On October 21 2016 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
Holyflare, you've been in a game scum with Koshi and town with Koshi. Please skim his filter and tell me if you also think he's scum. I already mentioned he could be mafia, yes. I'd like you to talk about other people though. Covering for your scum buddy I see. On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 04:46 ritoky wrote:On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh I forgot about Luna
hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah? I didn't buss anyone. What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF? I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why. On October 21 2016 04:50 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2016 04:48 ritoky wrote:On October 21 2016 04:46 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 04:46 ritoky wrote:On October 21 2016 04:42 Lunaticman wrote:On October 21 2016 04:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh I forgot about Luna
hardcore bus entry vs Koshi yeah? I didn't buss anyone. What, over the course of 2 hours, made you flip your read on HF? I think I made at least 3 posts explaining why. So omgus? haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc. On October 22 2016 18:39 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 18:35 Holyflare wrote:
Scummy:
Skynx (list post struck me as wrong but can't place finger on it)
Lunaticman (crap tunnel based on nothing followed by nothing)
ExO_ (why)
Kurumi
Vivax
Koshi
GlowingBear
WaveofShadow
Null:
Bill Murray (said atrocious things all game but some hidden le gems)
Artanis (maybe up to scummy soon)
Btdt (artanis making me hesitant but deadline stuff was scummy)
Hamazura (need more)
Acrofales (not read at all but i don't think towny whenever read what he says)
ritoky (i think he tried to pocket me with gb/luna read but playing too stiff maybe move to scummy)
Lord Tolkien (hesitant to remove but probably should based on dmg on wave)
Tubesock (zzzz?) HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi. You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation. For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing. A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not. On October 22 2016 19:07 Lunaticman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2016 18:54 Holyflare wrote:
I also literally just told you how the wagon formed, it was me. I also talked about btdt's actioms at deadline whicj you just undermined for no reason.
You're all talk and no substance. Chill, maybe I was a bit vague. I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not. For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader. Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective. The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose. On October 24 2016 00:10 Lunaticman wrote:
There is one scum between Koshi/Artanis we have to put trust in HF:s read. I'm sorry I ever doubted you HF! <3
On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote:
Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die.
The really interesting thing here is these posts are about 50 minutes apart. Instead of seeing something then drawing a conclusion based on what he saw, TS first drew the conclusion that lunaticman is town, then found the evidence to back it up.
I find TS highly suspicious.He hops off the Vivax wagon (after being the first to vote him), and then he hops off the TT wagon day 1 as soon as it got a majority. He defends lunaticman as the lunatic wagon is gaining steam on day 2. And then surprise No lynch on day 2. I think this heavily implicates Tubesock. I could see Lunaticman being either scum or town here. It makes a lot more sense to me if Lunaticman is scum, as it would explain why day 2 ends without a lynch with the threat of Koshi's Double lynch. However for me to accept this idea Koshi has to be telling the truth. I can't stand playing with Koshi b/c of how intolerable he is to everyone. It makes me think he's a lying and scum even when he is telling the truth.
On the other side of the coin, I could also see TS making a case for Lunaticman in an attempt to earn towncred for later. But then I'm left with the question: why did day 2 end without a lynch? Maybe scum didn't end the day maybe it was a 3rd party role? Or maybe Vivax is scum and the move was purely to keep him alive?...hmmm I'm not sure.
Either way, my initial thoughts are that TS looks very scummy to me. I think I'm gonna check out Koshi now. But I think TS is my strongest scum read after Vivax.
|
I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
