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On September 19 2016 01:50 beentheredonethat wrote: I guess that's an /in? If so, you're welcome! However, I don't know how many games you played thus far, but if you're under three games in total, I suggest you head over to the current newbie game that is open for signups. If not, disregard this, and just confirm your /in  ./edit: Seeing you already signed up in the newbie game. I don't know if playing two games at once is recommended but I guess that's up to you . Confirming that I'm in. I've played off-site before so I am not completely clueless about mafia, although I only have one game under my belt on this site as of now :p I usually sign for multiple games. I never lurk unless some serious RL issue crops up so don't worry there. | ||
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On September 24 2016 06:02 beentheredonethat wrote: She's going to observe the newbie game instead. Some concerns were raised about a newbie in a stacked lineup . All of these references to the totally awesome signups list just makes me wonder how badly I'll get spat out by this lot.  | ||
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I'm sure even you will be able to tell the difference  | ||
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NU can move down a notch. | ||
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This is so typical of you, trying to use short-cuts because your play can't hold up under scrutiny. | ||
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On October 04 2016 07:20 NeverUnlucky wrote: It may be because I'm new here, and the PM looked atypical to me, but I really believe I can be mod confirmed. I just need to know what "post any PM from a host" means. Quoting? Why are you acting like a retard? Saying "oh I COULD be mod-confirmed" when it's clearly against the rules does nothing. | ||
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On October 04 2016 07:31 batsnacks wrote: I was going to suggest peeking but I think that might be not so good for these possible setups. The roleblocker and possible framer are bigger threats if Mafia can use our peeks to narrow down non-cops. You make a possible contribution about the setup but backtrack on it within the same sentence. Weird post. Mainly because I haven't seen people going "XYZ is my N1 check" much on this site compared to other places. I'm not familiar with this site, so I could be wrong, but I am curious as to why you felt the need to make a comment about it. | ||
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On October 04 2016 08:12 Palmar wrote: 100% calix scum too. calix town meta is talk many words calix scum meta is then ???? Your argument is invalid because you're applying it to a person who deliberately makes herself difficult to meta-read. Your comment just makes me want to post like this for the rest of the game just to prove my point. But if that's not convincing enough then the last newbie game where I just gave up can disprove your point for me. | ||
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I'm saying that switching up how you post is a piece of cake. | ||
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##vote Never Unlucky | ||
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Go fetch. | ||
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Surely you have something to say about the chat so far. | ||
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Taking this with a landfill of salt at the moment, but if you are claiming to be using a truth tell then your play is even worse than I thought it was. That is the literal definition of using a shortcut and is a horrible defense. | ||
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NU still not trying to do anything and just waffles on about some semi-related bullshit. Noted. Going to disappear until someone relevant turns up. | ||
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On October 04 2016 11:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I really don't like what calix is trying to push here. Sure what nu is doing is super bad play and from first glance it looks scummy but it's not actually scummy. Why would scum post that he can be modconfirmed town? That makes 0 sense. And now she's trying to push some stupid Lynch based on content but no one has done shit anyway. Fake activity How does one 'fake' activity? Either I am posting or I am not posting and it doesn't indicate jack shit about my alignment. I think the reason people are not following me is because they're not that familiar with NU. (aka, meta) He is prone to coming up with stupid plans/ gambits - him trying to get around the rules is NAI taken by itself because it's a part of how he plays. (I don't think it's noteworthy that anyone on this site reads it as townie as people play more conservatively here compared to our home site and thus are reading his actions from that mindset) When I first saw that post, I just laughed it off. Grack's comment made me reread and see how terrible it was as an entrance so I decided to push it. What I don't like is how his very first focus is on promoting himself as town using external factors. While saying "I can be mod-confirmed" is NAI by itself for him, his later posts make me think he is looking for a fallback in case he's called out for his sub-par posting. Look at his responses to me. They are underwhelming for him. Nothing substantial, just some self-aggrandizing comments, downplays my push on him, snark, bluffing about being town. (last two points come across as forced) If he steps it up then I'll reconsider but right now, I really do not like him and think everyone should read his filter with this in mind. I don't want people giving him a free pass for something which is not - in my opinion - out of his scum range. On October 04 2016 18:34 justanothertownie wrote: I will have to refamiliarize myself with Stutters meta but so far he seems the scummiest to me. His filter consists exclusively of questions that lead nowhere and aren't followed up upon. Totally disconnected from the thread. He was pretty lurkish, unresponsive and making terrible posts in the last game we were in and he was town so not sure how AI that is for him. Will keep your point in mind though. | ||
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Unless you're saying that you're not reading it. | ||
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Being skeptical of something that he obviously cannot follow through with does not make me mafia. | ||
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On October 04 2016 19:37 Holyflare wrote: It's also 40 minutes between your post and the latest one before that so not receiving a response from people with full time jobs and activity excuses within 20 minutes of your last post seems to be smearing people for no other reason than to look like you are giving more contributions than in fact you are. How was I 'smearing' anyone or even pretending to contribute with that post you refer to? I was annoyed that nobody had responded given that there was a burst of activity shortly before I logged online. This post is a massive reach, HF. | ||
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You haven't responded to any of my points, lol. | ||
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Like I said, I don't blame anyone for not knowing this. Tell me when you read his posts outside of that role PM thing and get back to me. | ||
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On October 04 2016 19:56 Holyflare wrote: I haven't read your points and I likely never will. You said he does this play on your site and it's his mafia meta to do so. Prove he does or die. Actually I said "He is prone to coming up with stupid plans/ gambits - him trying to get around the rules is NAI taken by itself because it's a part of how he plays." Nowhere did I say "he has tried fucking around with role PMs before" or "he only does stupid shit as mafia" | ||
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You must have read my long posts otherwise you wouldn't have found that comment and misrepresented my position like that. | ||
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On October 04 2016 20:07 Holyflare wrote: No, it's bull shit. He either has done a play like this or you think he's town. Mafia don't know or can't know there's words or anything in a pm or whatever that can prove you're town. NU makes a play like that. Either he's done something similar in a previous game or something like this where he's abused knowledge he can't have and he's been mafia or he's flat out town. Koshi has said something else that's "validated" the wording point too. Your push is completely bull shit. Role PMs are on the first page, so surely the mafia know what they are? In case I wasn't being clear, no, he has not tried abusing role PMs in a previous game. Which I never said to begin with since I said that he's done stupid shit before. (when I said that, I was mainly referring to a game where he fake-claimed Friendly Neighbour as mafia + a couple of comments he's made before which made me think he would try something like this since the host can't confirm) Your most valid point is that Koshi is backing him up, so I am probably wrong here. Since this is now the only thing happening, you should still keep pushing me about something non-PM related so that we have something to talk about. tl;dr: I didn't think that through but I realise that looks like a cop-out so there's not much I can do there. | ||
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(for example, he scum-hunts a lot via 'scum slips' - a look at his first game on here shows that) And I didn't think the host would confirm it (obviously) so with that in mind alongside the fact that posting PMs is obviously against the rules, I found it questionable. | ||
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On October 04 2016 20:36 marvellosity wrote: no, i get that, but to vote him you have to think he does that as mafia otherwise you would also find it townie, hence the baying mob asking for you to provide an example of him doing such a thing as mafia. It doesn't have to be exactly that even, but if you can provide an example of him doing something weird to try to confirm himself when he's mafia, that would be lovely. if you can't, you should be able to see why hf and whoever else is getting on your bum, it's just logic Yeah that's what I said earlier. I'd be doing exactly the same thing. Like I had an example in mind (as said earlier) when making my earlier posts but that doesn't match the "confirm self as mafia" thing that's being asked for. | ||
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On October 04 2016 20:38 justanothertownie wrote: Is this actually a thing? Calix? Because then your approach is indeed hard to understand. Yes, he's been lynched first in both of his mafia games. | ||
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On October 04 2016 20:41 marvellosity wrote: you may as well provide it for the sake of completeness :p tbh i don't think your vote on him looks very good, but on the other hand I know it's very easy to have your own thoughts and make sweeping statements about players you know without being able to back it up very well. I did. I said that he claimed Friendly Neighbour as scum in his last game. (which I now realise is a bad example due to different contexts of the claim - he didn't claim it at the start of that game) This isn't that bad. It means people are doing something so I don't mind. | ||
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(plus the general points being made > talking about the players) | ||
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On October 04 2016 20:44 NeverUnlucky wrote: I see what you did with my name, lul. I'm concerned that Calix didn't question my BS confirm. She just went along with it and called me bad. Wait what? | ||
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On October 04 2016 20:58 NeverUnlucky wrote: No, the gambits I pull off are always great. Doc claim in IC and the what-could've-been jailkeeper/citizen claim in GoT were fantastic WIFOM claims. You cannot take this away from me. As I said, I did not plan on promoting myself as town using external factors this early. When I asked my question (For which I was warned by a non-host, wtf. Asking a question = breaking the rules here it seems), I did not expect to be questioned about it. My question was a legitimate one. I would not have given my motives this early on if it wasn't for Grack and Calax pushing that question against me. Like I am obvious town when I am town (and I am town). I can do just fine without gamebreaking shortcuts. Question. What is my scum range? Agree on Stutters. His early questions remind me of scum Eggy. Think you mean a co-host? It was a stupid fucking question even though I took it way out of proportion. Moving on since that's established... Scum range = behaviours that you are capable of doing as scum. If you're asking what your scum range is then that's hard to define. (not gonna lie, I was suspecting that you had discussed strategy with Duck which speaks for itself. Not that anyone here is going to know what I'm rabbiting on about there) Anyone else pinging you? | ||
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On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote: If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read. So you're arguing that I am pushing a read onto someone who I claim has obvious town/ scum meta. Let's just indulge in this delusion and pretend that I'm scum and let's assume that you're town...since this push makes no sense for two of the scum to do. I decide to make a lame push on you based on the question. People start to town-read you for your question. I pop in and double down on my push, thus drawing a shit-load of attention to myself. Even if I mislynched you, I would look exceptionally bad for mislynching someone that I claim has "obvious town/ scum meta" So what exactly does scum!Calix get out of doing this, exactly? Inquiring minds want to know. | ||
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On October 04 2016 21:20 NeverUnlucky wrote: Wasn't up-to-date when I made that post. Still, I was referring to saying "I'm town". You did not question this. That's the BS confirm I referred to. I said "you're using a truth tell and if you're being legit then your play has become worse" in response. No idea what your point is here. | ||
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You've made some mocking comments and "oh XYZ bullshit reason concerns me" and even agreed with me on a point or two but you have not actually said "I think Calix is scummy" or called anything I've done scummy...just questionable. | ||
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On October 04 2016 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote: NU, is calix mafia? ##vote superbia Calix the fake activity is refering to you being mafia and just pushing shit for the sake of creating posts. Nu, can you explain why stutters is mafia? So you think I am scummy but you vote for Superbia? You're going to have to walk me through that one. (also NU said he agreed with me about Stutters) | ||
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On October 04 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote: I town-read you. What I have seen from you so far does not strike me as odd. I agreed with Oats' comment on you because I could understand where he was coming from. Not knowing you're Hypocrisy Incarnate, he could not know that your comments about me making fluff posts were NAI. Capiche? Being a hypocrite is detracting from the main point. You're not the slightest bit suspicious of my god-awful push on you this morning? Why? | ||
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NU says that 'what I have seen from you so far does not strike me as odd' On October 04 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote: I town-read you. What I have seen from you so far does not strike me as odd. I agreed with Oats' comment on you because I could understand where he was coming from. Not knowing you're Hypocrisy Incarnate, he could not know that your comments about me making fluff posts were NAI. Capiche? ...yet he makes these posts in his catch-up where he clearly has concerns and doubts about my posts. This strikes me as inconsistent. On October 04 2016 20:44 NeverUnlucky wrote: I see what you did with my name, lul. I'm concerned that Calix didn't question my BS confirm. She just went along with it and called me bad. On October 04 2016 21:01 NeverUnlucky wrote: If it really was meta-based, you would not care. Fluff posting early/late d1 is NAI for me. I have done it as town and as neutral. I could be doing it as scum. You using it as an argument to call my play scummy reeks of someone trying to force a read. On October 04 2016 21:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: She can claim that she knows my play and get others to lynch me. Doesn't matter if I can rebut her, as long as the others trust her voice over mine. I don't really understand why you ask this question. Power Wolfs do this all the time. There isn't really a 'why'. On October 04 2016 21:31 NeverUnlucky wrote: Put that way my point looks dumb. Still feel uneasy about you saying I look for shortcuts often (NAI)and associating a scum-read to it. I don't even know what shortcuts you are referring to. | ||
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On October 04 2016 21:41 batsnacks wrote: Weirdly defensive post I keep thinking there should be enough activity from Calix by now to have some opinion of their alignment but I'm having trouble coming up with anything. Most of calix's contributions are game mechanics inspired I could see them coming from any angle or alignment. And there are a couple of these "at least we're talking about something I'm okay with that" statements from Calix that show an awareness that they're "contributing" to the game. Like maybe Mafia Calix is intentionally choosing to talk about things that are easy to fake perspectives on. I was thinking that the Calix-NU exchange should feel town-town if they are both town and familiar with each other , and I'm getting town vibes from NU not from Calix though they're null. Defensiveness has never been a scum tell and never will be. There is also nothing defensive about walking through a thought process and asking how my posts make sense from a scum perspective. I'm hard to read? Call the fucking presses! Being self-aware is just a personality trait when it comes to myself. I am clearly contributing to the game since I made the NU push and helped start up this discussion. That's just a fact. | ||
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On October 04 2016 21:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol wtf you guys played like less than 10 games together and profess to be able to read each other one post into the game, come on man. Calix that's really soft. Why can't I vote for superbia? Am I gonna lose my vote? No. Am I free to vote again? Yes. So why is my vote even alignment indicative when there are still more than 24 hours to Lynch? I would like to hear this. All I did was ask why you made a post where you called me scum...and then voted for someone else without explaining why Superbia > Calix. I didn't say it was AI. I'm questioning you because I don't understand your thought process. You are also using way too many questions in your response and didn't answer my initial query. | ||
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On October 04 2016 21:47 NeverUnlucky wrote: Where is the contradiction? Your posts don't strike me as odd AI-wise, but I am concerned with the points you are missing. Wait, so your posts where you accuse me of "forcing a read on you" and say that I "still make you uneasy" AREN'T things that you find odd??? | ||
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On October 04 2016 21:54 NeverUnlucky wrote: 6 games together, 7 games if you count the game she coached me. She never said she was "able to read [me] one post into the game". Neither have I. Where did you get this from? All she said is that I was an easy read for her (which, again, is not necessarily true) and that I always was the first one lynched as mafia. I don't make anything out of this. Calix is just that person with a massive ego. While she is as tall as Peter Dinklage IRL, her ego is as big as Robert Downey Jr. That is not what she said. You are contradicting yourself by saying that Calix appears scummy to you, yet, you vote Superbia whom you made no comment on. Really, really, really defensive here. Calix never said your vote was AI. 3 "reality twists" in one post. This is actually not a terrible post. | ||
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On October 04 2016 21:59 Superbia wrote: I promise to contribute at some point. ;p If the contribution isn't stellar then I'm probably going to vote for you. No pressure | ||
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On October 04 2016 22:01 Superbia wrote: Btw Calix, I am curious. What was the "Superbia stole my laptop" about? I made a string of one-liners and then made that post to poke at you for your tendency to post in one-liners, duh. | ||
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On October 04 2016 22:01 NeverUnlucky wrote: Ah. I did contradict myself. Well, I think you are town now. So check this: IC 540 I thought I was town to begin with? Your progression is muddled and I don't follow it. Why are you asking me about ice cream? lmao | ||
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HF is possible, haven't properly reread his posts and I imagine that he's hard to read. Oats is the best one imo. | ||
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On October 04 2016 22:14 Oatsmaster wrote: I don't see what is there to explain calix, I want to vote for him. I really don't see what is hard to understand man. Same to you nu. Why the fuck is who my vote on important now. Calix asked me why I didn't vote for her basically and she clearly thinks it's alignment indicative or else why would she ask me me about it. What the fuck kind of logic is that? You ask questions to pry into someone's thought processes which you are STILL NOT EXPLAINING. You stated "Calix is scummy" You voted for Superbia. You did not state a scum-read on Superbia. Why the fuck are you not explaining your vote? If it's 'lul randum xD' then why are you random-voting over a scum-read? | ||
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On October 04 2016 22:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude what the fuck. So you think that finding mafia isn't your first priority but instead, staying alive is your first priority? Full of shit And saying that Superbia is being survivalistic here is a massive stretch. Hope you didn't sprain anything there, love. | ||
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So what the fuck are you doing? | ||
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On October 04 2016 22:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Obviously I think super is scummy and obviously I dont think it's worth explaining a read on him just yet. Can you propose a reason why I would do this as scum? Can you explain why you are doing it as town? I don't have a fucking clue what you are trying to achieve here, dude. It makes no sense to throw down a 'vote' without actually voting and then refusing to explain it, since this draws a stupid amount of attention to you, but you are also aware of this (like I was earlier) so that weakens the argument a little. So as it stands, my reasoning for both alignments is "you're an idiot" You're welcome for this incisive analysis. | ||
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Explain yourself or eat rope. | ||
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@NU, I think so? But codes are lame so don't expect me to use one. | ||
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On October 04 2016 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote: In your opinion, after his first 2 posts what did you read superbia as? This is going somewhere, please assist I can't help you out much, lol. I didn't have a read on him with those posts because he said he was planning on lurking on Day 1 in the pre-game so while repeating that is redundant, I just read them as generic "check-in" posts. | ||
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On October 04 2016 22:44 Superbia wrote: Idk. You tell me why you want to buddy up. That's why I was enquiring about the laptop joke as well. If you legitimately think that me taking the piss out of your posting style via the form of an obvious joke is 'buddying' then I'm here to tell you that your proctologist called. He found your head. | ||
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On October 04 2016 22:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Clearly I'm coming here and trying to get superbia to actually post relevant stuff so I can get a read on him that isnt predicated on his horrible first 2 posts. To do this I don't actually need to vote in the voting thread. You guys need to get it out of your heads that voting is alignment indicative. The only place it's alignment indicative is when it's the vote to Lynch someone or to Lynch some else that djdnt actually get lynched. That's detracting from the initial issue. Nobody was objecting to a Superbia vote. We were calling you out on saying that I was scummy while voting for someone else. The fact that the person is Superbia is 0% relevant. And yes, votes are not AI unless you know what some of the flips are. Thanks mate. On October 04 2016 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Come on you can do better than that. So he makes generic check in posts when it's at least 10 pages of stuff he could actually comment on but he chooses not to? What does that initially say about his alignment? Why don't you just tell us what you're getting at instead of trying to prompt me into saying things for you? I can see the leading questions from a mile off. I've already said that I think those posts are NAI by themselves, the end. Spit it out or piss off. | ||
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On October 04 2016 22:55 Oatsmaster wrote: I said my point already. Im not explaining my vote because I'm not trying to get other people to vote for superbia. Is that so hard to understand? The vote is to pressure superbia and it's only for him. If you're saying that you don't give a fuck about other people voting for Superbia and if you haven't given any compelling arguments for mafia!Superbia then where is the pressure? You just randomly 'voted' for Superbia out of nowhere and didn't explain your reasoning for multiple posts. You're really confusing me tbh. | ||
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On October 04 2016 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote: I really don't understand why you expect me to pour all my thoughts out into the game. Is it not obvious that when I vote for someone it's because I think they are scummy? So I have to say "xx is scummy vote xx" before voting? That's ludicrous. And it says absolutely nothing about my alignment. So far in this game you have proceed with 2 ridiculous pushes. So you didn't explain your reasoning for your vote and you didn't expect people to ask about it? Where exactly were you expecting things to go from there? Really now. | ||
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Other than that, I don't understand him whatsoever. | ||
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On October 04 2016 22:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Go and reread your first 2 posts and tell me they are made with the town wincon in mind. Actually realised that I misread the post. I thought he was telling the thread to reread Superbia's posts and I wasn't sure why scum would encourage town to look through someone else's filter instead of just making an argument to influence people. Like it doesn't make a lot of sense for scum to want town to review filters critically. This is super nitpicky, I know, but I thought the delivery sounded like something town would encourage more than scum. But then I realised that he's directing his post to Superbia. Even though I've just disproved my own point, I still feel uneasy about the thought of lynching him and I'm not sure why. How are you reading him tone-wise outside of 'defensive'? | ||
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On October 04 2016 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Intent over already. I think koshi has been skating by on pithy little comments. I seem to remember other people promising shit but not delivering. I think it's stutters so he's leaning scum. Pretty sure Marv and Palmar are town. They don't give enough of a shit. How are you reading the more active players/ Unless you just included people that you have a legitimate alignment read on. | ||
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On October 04 2016 23:25 marvellosity wrote: So you could ask "why would I do this as scum?" To look like you're doing something to feign activity to be a total twat to really be a total twat I'm not so convinced here. It doesn't strike me as optimal play to shove yourself into the spotlight in exchange for "I'd never be this stupid as scum" WIFOM. | ||
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Possible, but I don't see a lot in his posts that would lean one way or the other. I'm relatively confident that he'll slip up if he's scum so I am not worried about him atm. | ||
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What exactly is your argument here? I'm not sure I get you. | ||
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On October 05 2016 00:14 batsnacks wrote: Calix said that there was no specific evidence she could produce for NU abusing PMs as Mafia, even though she implied NU did this as Mafia before Holyflare said "produce evidence or die" Those events happened in that order. Maybe Mafia Holyflare knowingly issued Calix an impossible task to make the narrative for Calix being Mafia stronger? Anyway that's what I was thinking hopefully it makes sense. Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc. On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him. | ||
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On October 05 2016 00:29 Koshi wrote: Am I not underwhelming? Well duh. You didn't name yourself Yoshi Also you keep harping on about your RL stuff. | ||
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On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote: No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia. offski I know it was a comment against HF. I reread the thread and I wanted the posts because I couldn't find exactly what he was referring to. I'll look in more depth later as I have to go out soon so not a big deal. | ||
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On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote: 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Eh? I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot. In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter. Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals. #266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well" #334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands. This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm. On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote: Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia. Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position. HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this. Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand. | ||
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Most of you lot haven't played with me before so you don't even have that excuse. | ||
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On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote: Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone: First two look like typical shit-posts to me. Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him. So not terribly convinced here but I'll see. | ||
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I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum. | ||
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On October 05 2016 01:28 Palmar wrote: Yo who wants to spend 20 minutes talking intimately? Yo who wants to spend 20 minutes listening to how I'm like, Numbah Wun? I'll bite. | ||
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On October 05 2016 01:33 Palmar wrote: I was mafia that game, I'm actually a really nice guy, except when I'm an asshole. But most of the time that I'm not an asshole I am nice. What do you think of Holyflare? Particularly this reply to you voting NU: The bad is leaving himself an out, but he's essentially saying it's scummy that you voted him. Well yeah, HF has made it pretty fucking obvious that he thinks I'm mafia with his dumb "prove it or you're mafia" shtick and #202 is a massive fucking reach. I'm not sure wherever that comes from town!HF who is being a hyperbolic shit or mafia!HF who is trying to paint me as scum. He's pretty much exclusively talked about me so far so I'll see how he reacts to others first. As it stands, he's null. His argument about NU wasn't total crap so I can see where he's coming from for pushing me for that tbh. | ||
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On October 04 2016 19:37 Holyflare wrote: It's also 40 minutes between your post and the latest one before that so not receiving a response from people with full time jobs and activity excuses within 20 minutes of your last post seems to be smearing people for no other reason than to look like you are giving more contributions than in fact you are. | ||
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What's the point of saying you would have mod-killed NU? | ||
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One last question - your thoughts on my batsnacks case? Or your thoughts on his filter? Not sure if I'll catch your response before I pop out again. | ||
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On October 05 2016 02:01 Palmar wrote: I kinda want to bully someone, but I'm also lazy and I need to go soon, so I'm not gonna. excellent bully targets are jat and superbia. They're both kinda.... here, but not doing much. Which isn't really scummy for either of them, as that's what they do all the time, but we need to make them commit to shit to figure out what they actually think. So similar to you then? I thin JAT has been doing stuff. Don't think his posting is comparable to Superbia's as he posts without being summoned more often than not, but I'll check his filter later to see if my impression still holds. | ||
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On October 05 2016 03:48 batsnacks wrote: I've been trying to find some conversation about things I've noticed but haven't found much. Most of the responses to my posts have been from Calix who imo is hard to talk to due to the defensive and abrasive tone they're using constantly. Not really conducive to fleshing things out. I laugh at the idea of me intimidating you so much with my tone that you don't even want to respond to me. Kindly grow a pair, respond to my points against you, and take some stances plz. | ||
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Unsure on Koshi. His contributions aren't amazing but something about his tone makes me lean town. | ||
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I changed my mind primarily because HF pointed out that Koshi was backing up NU. Furthermore, that's not what he was arguing - he stated that neither of us CARED about how the thread perceived us. I'm not 'looking' like I'm moving the game forward. It bloody well did, regardless of how accurate my accusations were. | ||
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On October 05 2016 04:09 batsnacks wrote: your points against me are okay you just have my intentions wrong. I haven't taken many hard stances because there haven't been many happens in the game i feel strongly about, thus trying to talk to people about stuff I notice. If that's the case, why haven't you tried harder to push the few points that you do have? You just dropped some fantastical theories including gems such as NU and myself hard-core distancing ourselves. You show zero conviction in what you say which strikes me as un-town-like. On October 05 2016 04:13 batsnacks wrote: The awareness made me believe you cared you're also using a pretty defensive tone and you're making a lot of posts that don't really concern you about yourself personally e.g. NU explaining to you that a post of mine that was about HF actually wasn't against you Explain how being defensive is a scum tell. I explicitly stated that I was inquiring about the quotes you were using as I was aware that you were referring to HF. You couldn't have missed that as I made that comment right after NU pointed this out. | ||
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On October 05 2016 04:23 Superbia wrote: Why do people think I'm scummy? You only pop in when people summon you. Looking at what you're contributed without someone poking you up the arse with a stick, I'm not impressed. On October 04 2016 20:38 Superbia wrote: General complaint: I agree that this PM shit is really really fucking dumb. The fact that people are already drawing conclusions based on someone who claims he can be mod confirmed is also really fucking dumb. Like conjecture regarding PMs is already happening. This why you never bring this shit up. You're either soft claiming a role or you're really talking about again-the-rules shit like an absolute dumb ass. Either way it's fucking dumb because people are now talking about PMs and inferring based on it. I wanted a nice, high-level game. Not PM garbage. Thx4listening. This, for example, is out-of-place and you go nowhere with it. It reminds me of a post that Vivax made in HM 3.0 where he popped in to whine about XYZ but went nowhere with it and ended up contradicting himself. This isn't as egregious a post, but you're whining about people crapping up the game and yet you do NOTHING to fix the game state so the logic holds. You did the "I have good contributions which I'll share later and get people to prod me for" shtick which makes little sense for town to do when they would just post the bloody thoughts they had. This is just from skimming your filter. It's incredibly dismal play. | ||
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I'm being incredibly tame and polite here but you'd think that I called them a bunch of twats from how they're reacting. | ||
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On October 05 2016 04:31 batsnacks wrote: Listen, unless someone else is getting anything useful out of this dumb shit fight I'm just going to ignore you because I feel like I'm wasting my time. I didn't say you did anything scummy I don't think you're Mafia, I said your similarly dumb argument with NU is NAI. That your exchange with NU seemed null vs town to me, I don't think it is outrageous for me to think this as any alignment. Your case on me is fine, I'll take harder stances on stuff if stuff comes up, if not I can live with you being right about me for now. Case in point. I'm not throwing shit at you. I'm raising legitimate points which you yourself admit have validity. 'I don't think it's outrageous for me to think this as any alignment' - This is an incredibly weird line. Call me crazy but it reads to me like you're low-key admitting to making that post because you think it's a 'townie' view to have, not because you actually believe it. Not a strong point but it sits oddly with me anyhow. I'll look forward to you doing more 'productive' things in the meantime, my dear. | ||
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On October 05 2016 04:35 Superbia wrote: I'm kind of annoyed with people but I know if I'm too defensive I'll be called scum. Why would you give a fuck about being called 'too defensive'? It's a stupid fucking argument and even if it was valid, it doesn't stop you from posting your thoughts. Cop-out excuse detected. | ||
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On October 05 2016 04:40 Superbia wrote: It's why I want to be on the sidelines z. I hate fucking having to defend (or explain) myself. Just listen to me and win the game. >joins a game that revolves around discussion >expects to coast by without having to elaborate on his thoughts Legit. | ||
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On October 05 2016 04:42 Superbia wrote: I have explained a small bit of stuff. Like I usually do. Z. Any good points that you make get drowned out by your 100% unnecessary whining. | ||
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On October 05 2016 04:45 Superbia wrote: What whining? I made one post whining about the shitty PM stuff and I am more recently getting annoyed by people calling me mafia. From what I recall. You just answered your own question. Now go forth and do something useful for once. I'll even give you a free teddy bear to hug so that you can cope with the stress of having to post using your own initiative | ||
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Then he ruins it with some annoying meta push on Grack which ignores batsnacks' scummy posts. I'll take the baby steps though. | ||
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I don't fancy a policy lynch over Superbia/ batsnacks. They're not useful enough for me to consider giving them a Day 1 pass. | ||
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On October 05 2016 05:01 Superbia wrote: I'm fucking done with this garbage bullying attitude. ![[image loading]](http://67.media.tumblr.com/53ab3543c11a54a19d57bb54dc64781d/tumblr_metw22Yeh21r0o3jvo1_500.gif) | ||
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Either way, it can be fixed with a rope. | ||
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It'll be 100% less misleading as all the information relates to that game. (and I've already demonstrated that meta reads are not usually that accurate  ) | ||
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On October 05 2016 05:30 batsnacks wrote: I think superbia is frustrated town would seem consistent with his play the rest of today. He threw out HF and Palmar as names initially and didn't want to explain why for fear of critical people, critical people end up barking at him anyway which is totally his fault but his reactions check out. I thought marv and superbia were equally obtuse to each other earlier marv was just better at spinning it and it got exacerbated by the fact that superbia was being difficult prior. If you're worried about being criticised then you have no business in a mafia game. I really do not understand why people are objecting to people...questioning them. It's entitled to expect people to not do that. If you think someone is 'spinning it' then does this mean that you think Marv could be scum? You passed judgment on Superbia but not Marv so it's hard to gauge. | ||
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Ignoring him for now. | ||
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On October 05 2016 05:35 marvellosity wrote: he's literally been playing for years doing the same thing :p If that's 'playing' then rats are a rare breed of animal. | ||
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On October 05 2016 05:37 batsnacks wrote: He whined about needing to stay on the sidelines presumably because of the bad critical people, he dropped two names but was apprehensive to provide reasoning because omg critical people again, and then he got super frustrated when after he finally opens up the thread runs a train on him. I don't think this story is that outrageous. Again with you acting like you're making up bullshit to sell to us. (bolded) You're literally speaking on behalf of Superbia as well when you can't know his reasoning for sure. You sound like standard scum. | ||
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Brilliant. Now I can divert both of you to the actual interesting events in the chat to give thoughts on. | ||
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On October 05 2016 05:50 batsnacks wrote: Most of his first posts are insisting that he needs to stay on the sidelines this phase, that it's in town's best interest that he does or something. Also I remember when I asked about HF and palmar he wouldn't tell me what he was thinking. Being afraid leads to him being town I guess because it doesn't make sense to be afraid as mafia. I'm sure I've played with super in the past but it's been years since I've played with any of you and I don't really remember anything about how super plays. What I'm saying isn't so much that I'm CERTAIN super is town and afraid, it's that his frustration would be consistent with being town and afraid, which would be consistent with trying to stay on the sidelines and his reluctance to elaborate on reads. Like maybe super is self aware that his reads will not stand up to scrutiny because it's only 24 hours into a pretty lame day 1 so far but they're the best he has anyway lol. I obviously can't speak for him but that's pretty much where I'm at anyway. Mafia can be afraid because the town have numbers and can find and kill them, duh. Your logic is extremely weird because you list classically scummy things (staying on the sides, not contributing, being fearful) as...town tells? And yeah you are speaking for him way too much. You basically made up a narrative for town!Superbia. | ||
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Since we have a fair few players pushing him, I'll back off for now so he can do something outside of defending himself. | ||
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On October 05 2016 06:04 batsnacks wrote: Yes that's what I meant like I don't think Calix is helping town by being unpleasant and I think you hurt town by encouraging it That's anti-town, not pro-scum. Please work on scum-reads. | ||
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Because if so, no idea why he's complaining about us posting too much. | ||
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HF exaggerating shit...what would you call his horrendous TT push in HM then? lol | ||
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On October 05 2016 06:50 NeverUnlucky wrote: Batsnacks is also town. uwotm8 | ||
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I've yet to see a case that overwhelms the evidence against batsnacks so my vote stays with him. A lot of people are trying to throw up "XYZ is useless" and "this minor point looks funny" as if said points are worth lynching for. Not impressed. I can see a batsnacks/ JAT team due to JAT trying to defend him when I first brought up batsnacks and then hedging back on that. Didn't feel genuine. | ||
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On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote: 0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately. Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now. Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter). He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far. On October 05 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote: I still maintain that I do not have a particular problem with his filter but I retract my confidence. This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter? On October 05 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote: The quality of the content doesn't necessarily correlate with the overall usefullness of a post to get a read. Those ARE shitposts. But in my experience town batsnacks is more likely to make shitposts like that. If you want to judge him on content you will have a bad time if he is town. On October 05 2016 01:26 justanothertownie wrote: He is definitely one of thise types. And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts: Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town. His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum. | ||
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Because so far, I've seen nothing convincing outside of "he's hilarious" (courtesy of NU) and "some of his later posts were okay" (which doesn't invalidate the earlier points) Both batsnacks and JAT are playing passively imo. | ||
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HF is opportunistic. batsnacks' push is "so terrible that it might not come from mafia" Grack's push "does not require a townie mindset" Oats is not even a good argument. You're attacking him for a 'throwaway comment' (lol) and for saying that he doesn't believe in scum-slips. Terrible. | ||
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I remain unconvinced. | ||
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If that's a 'decent town game' then beige is the new white. | ||
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On October 05 2016 18:11 justanothertownie wrote: Let's come to this post: Why should the fact that he improved his scumgame make me scumread him in a vacuum? I retracted my confidence because there was less batsy stuff in his filter than I thought which I clearly stated btw. The last two quotes are me explaining to you how to read batsnacks. This has nothing to do with any shift in confidence. That's not what I was arguing. I think it's an odd thing to add onto a town read because it weakens said read. Nowhere did I suggest that you should scum-read batsnacks because he might have possibly improved his scum game. Your other two points are not complete shite. | ||
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On October 05 2016 18:12 Holyflare wrote: Calix can you give me a rundown of your scum reads and why in some short sentences? Pointless question, given that I have literally said "batsnacks and JAT are in cahoots" I don't have a third full-on scum-read. I just think that this group [Koshi/ Palmar/ HF/ Stutters] have scum among them. | ||
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On October 05 2016 18:18 justanothertownie wrote: So your scumread on me is entirely based on this retarded association with batsnacks I take it? I think you have an underwhelming filter which doesn't help your case. But yeah, that's a major part of it and that's why I want batsnacks dead over you. | ||
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On October 05 2016 18:21 Holyflare wrote: So I just bussed my entire team pointlessly despite you seeing me write in your last game how shit bussing day 1 is..........?????????????????????? ????? ???? ..???..? I included that group in the likely event that I haven't found two scum on Day 1. | ||
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On October 05 2016 18:24 Holyflare wrote: Nahhhhhh that's bull shit. Completely bull shit. I don't believe you ever write me in a list when I've only pushed the people you are scum reading. Bad bad bad. Have some arbitrary +mafia points. K. | ||
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On October 05 2016 18:33 Holyflare wrote: Hello pot. It's an extremely good reason to flip. Entirely great. Oh please. I've actually admitted to being a raving hypocrite this time round. Going to have to find something more original Anyway I have a seminar to attend so off I pop. | ||
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It's called white-knighting. If you and HF are having such a hard time town-reading anyone, you're not trying hard enough. You keep whining about how much of a bitch I am in 75% of your posts...but you're not scum-reading me so all you're doing there is throwing shade around for the sake of it. You're also mischaracterising the case on you as a response to your Superbia comment. That's not how it started at all - I was the first person to bring you up due to your filter. You putting words into Superbia's mouth is just a factor in the case against you. | ||
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On October 05 2016 21:32 Palmar wrote: Did you know that this should make me scumread you. And I'm tempted to, I don't know though. Thing is, when given credit in mafia, you should always take it as town. If I control the lynch as a townie, because people are willing to listen to me, I am automatically increasing town chances of succeeding by a tiny bit. I'm not going to lynch myself, so statistically I'm more likely to hit mafia from my pov. Even then, it's always beneficial as town to have people listen to me. On the other hand, as mafia it's the other way around. If I know people won't listen to me as mafia, I'll just bus every day and call everyone bad until the game is over. So, no matter your intention here, you did something that is objectively scummy. Thing is though, people do objectively scummy things all the time as all alignmnets. tl;dr: You're accusing me of marginalising my own contributions. Except I wasn't doing that because I didn't put down my own points. All I did was say "I'm not a good player" which is true as I'm not that experienced. If you think it's 'objectively scummy' but you don't think it makes me scum then that means that you're accusing me of playing badly...which supports my point. | ||
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On October 05 2016 21:37 Palmar wrote: Essentially yes For example, I am #1 player, therefore people listen to me. I'm not sure what the point of writing up a substantial post just to conclude "you're playing badly" is then, but this has already been covered. | ||
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On October 05 2016 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Lol Palmar isn't making sense calix. Don't get sidetracked by this shit Talk to me about grack I don't think he has done anything strongly town/ scum. He has made some points that I can see where he is coming from, however, such as his reasoning for town-reading Superbia. But most of his filter is isolated points and stray comments with little commitment to anything, so hard to tell for sure. Anything you want to say on him one way or the other? | ||
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I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. | ||
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On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. | ||
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On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote: huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. What? This has nothing to do with you. He's asking how my opinion of Grack would change depending on what Bat flipped. I responded with "Grack could be a potential partner if Bat is scum but I don't think he's done anything scummy at the moment" I don't even get what your argument is here. | ||
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On October 05 2016 22:42 justanothertownie wrote: Your whole scumread on me hinges on bats being scum. And now if someone asks you what you think of grack if bats flips scum you say: "he might be scum because he pushed JAT instead of bats"? Like what? I said that a large part of my scum-read on you revolves around scum!bat, not the entire thing. It's a possibility that I was asked about. I don't see how considering other possibilities where you AREN'T scum with batsnacks is a bad thing. As said before, I am skeptical that I have actually found two of the mafia on Day 1. Actually you know what? I'm not going to spend more time exploring this line of thought as it's pre-flip, relies on speculation and I don't even know if batsnacks is scum yet. Ask something more productive. | ||
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On October 05 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote: Interesting. So you are weakening your read now when questioned. Very scummy. Please state where I backtracked on my read of you. I clearly stated that my Grack idea was considering another possibility, not that you were less scummy. If you're referring to my first line, I already said that earlier in the thread. | ||
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On October 05 2016 22:59 justanothertownie wrote: I am not interested in this shitfight which is about to ensue. I won't waste more time than this post on it. Fact is your read on me is 99 % association with batsnacks and you just now completely "forgot" it. Now that I called you out on it you suddenly aren't interested in pre flip associations anymore. How convenient. But sure. Let's stop making associations like that - they suck anyways. My read is not entirely based on pre-flips and I didn't 'forget' about it as I've already said. Yes, why don't you tell us where your reads are at? I'm having a hard time gauging your positions here. | ||
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On October 05 2016 23:05 justanothertownie wrote: I will give you guys a lynchpool before I have to leave in a few hours. Don't worry. But that takes more time than casually responding to the thread. Why don't you start since you seem to have all the time in the world? No can do. I am going out shortly. (will probably be back before EOD though) Unless you want me to clarify my position on individual players or whatever, then I'll leave you to it. | ||
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re: HF's post, that can be easily disproven by the fact that I have pushed NU, pushed Oats, pushed Superbia (to an extent) and helped start the batsnacks train. Anyone saying that I'm not pushing the game forward is either illiterate or scum at this point. | ||
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On October 06 2016 00:00 Holyflare wrote: All of those pushes were bad apart from the Superbia and batsnacks one which other people are pushing instead. You're supposed to be town leaders-y and you seem more reactive. Your argument was that I hadn't been really pushing anyone. I refute this point. You change the argument to "Calix's pushes are bad" Your last line is a terrible attempt at a meta-read. There is no One True Way for me to play and you have no idea how I 'usually' play given that you've seen me in ONE game. | ||
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On October 06 2016 00:05 Holyflare wrote: Thing is I don't care. Maybe my original post should have been "calix has only pushed dumb shit all game and been reactive" instead. Yes, I think I'm ninja editing it to that instead. I don't care if you're the meta God I know your ego type like the back of my hand, you don't like being wrong, you like being right, other people are pretty dumb. I know your pushes look shitty to me and that's what I'm sticking with. Question. How can my all of my pushes look shitty when you're voting for the same person I am? Why are you not trying harder to sort out myself/ batsnacks when we're clearly not on the same team? What does my 'ego type' have to do with anything? | ||
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On October 06 2016 00:17 Holyflare wrote: If you make a list of your pushes and two of them are bad and the other two other people have started (myself basically) then the only pushes you have made yourself are crap and the other two are REACTIVE based on the sentiment of the thread. Basically your posts seem entirely reactive and contain a plethora of things to assuage other people's fears. Even if we disregard two pushes of mine which I started, I was the first person to make a case against batsnacks. In literally no universe does your narrative of "Calix is entirely reactive" hold. You are just making up bullshit at this point. Read the thread and stop talking out of your arse. | ||
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NU, Grack, what on Earth are you two doing? batsnacks vs Calix is CLEARLY TvS. Pick one. I don't even give a fuck if it's me because I am convinced that batsnacks is mafia and my flip will prove it. No way does he get chainsawed this fucking hard - by multiple players - as town. It makes no sense. Don't vote for a third party, Jesus Christ people. | ||
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He has literally admitted that he has no interest in giving final thoughts to the town in the case that he dies. He just sat back and stated that he'll only check the thread to see if he can save himself. His posts after that have been him sitting on the sides. He comments on none of the events going on in the thread. He is passive and has no interest in solving the game. That's not how a town would react. Town would be pushing harder for a scum-read of theirs to be lynched. They would be posting thoughts to guide the town. He's clammed up. This is what scum do, they stop talking so that they don't give town too much information on who their scum buddies could be. | ||
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Now he's being chainsaw-defended by HF and JAT who have taken to attacking batsnacks' most vocal accuser. Note that NEITHER of them have explained how they town-read batsnacks. HF has said that he scum-reads batsnacks, yet he switches to me without a single comment explaining how his read has changed. (hint: said read 'progression' happened without batsnacks posting a single fucking thing) I won't claim that I haven't been defended, but the people defending me have stated town-reads on myself. They are not automatically assuming that XYZ are scum purely for attacking me. These are traits that are lacking in the push against me. My lynch is being pushed with far more conviction than batsnacks' is. That should tell you something. | ||
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My train has only just taken off near EOD. They've had the entire day and have been around yet only now try to push for my lynch. Conveniently, batsnacks just happens to be the leading wagon at that point and all he's done is rolled over and refused to help town. JAT has not explained how batsnacks is town. HF has not explained how batsnacks is town. (hell, these two think he's scum) Palmar has not explained how batsnacks is town. They have hardly ACKNOWLEDGED batsnacks in their posts, preferring to focus on myself when I am obviously the inferior option between the two. (if for no other reason than the fact that I'm active, contributing, am aligned with the town. Just simple things like that) None of them can defend his posts so they are attacking me in the hopes of a CFD. 100% should be scrutinised plz. | ||
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Your town-read is pushing someone so you town-read that player based on the push? WTF | ||
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You can all piss off with CFDs. | ||
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In the event that I get mislynched, kindly don't lynch inside this block for at least two days, please and thank you. Palmar seems to be voting me based on shitty meta reasons. It's possible that he is scum given his laziness and that awful post where he rambled on about 'objective scumminess' but went nowhere with it. I have little to say on Koshi and Stutters. I think the former is town but that is not a read I have any confidence in. Consider this a shitty LW-type post. | ||
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So while I'm not going to yell for their heads, I'd look into them tonight for sure. | ||
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This is going to sound dumb, but I think Marv has town-tone. Haven't read his filter in a while but I have gotten good vibes from his posting so haven't considered it a priority. | ||
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His apathy over the lynch is concerning me. | ||
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Why the fuck would you be hesitant over my lynch? | ||
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We should lynch batsnacks. In the event that people try to CFD, then JAT/ HF are also good options. But batsnacks is superior. He is not giving information to the town, his train has been ridiculously contested despite nobody being able to show town motivation in his posts (only point is NU saying he has 'town tone' so eh) and his lynch will be ten times more useful to the town than a lurker lynch. We kill off a semi-inactive player AND get information on how the surviving players reacted to him. | ||
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On October 06 2016 03:08 Calix wrote: Palmar is a bad D1 lynch. Same with Stutters. They should be discussed in more detail overnight and tomorrow. We should lynch batsnacks. In the event that people try to CFD, then JAT/ HF are also good options. But batsnacks is superior. He is not giving information to the town, his train has been ridiculously contested despite nobody being able to show town motivation in his posts (only point is NU saying he has 'town tone' so eh) and his lynch will be ten times more useful to the town than a lurker lynch. We kill off a semi-inactive player AND get information on how the surviving players reacted to him. In case people missed this post as it was at the bottom of the page. | ||
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We're lynching batsnacks/ you/ HF. End of discussion. | ||
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Bad D1 lynch, pls move off it. | ||
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I just think he's a suboptimal lynch for today. | ||
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And he's going to say "hur dur you voted batsnacks after me earlier" but that was before I was proper scum-reading him so he can fuck off there. | ||
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That wagon reeks of scum. I'm definitely not voting for him now. | ||
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I'm getting deja-vu here. | ||
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And JAT voted for him at one point. So no, having town players vote for someone doesn't negate those points. | ||
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Not even JAT/ HF have gone that far. | ||
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I looked at Palmar's filter and he actually has some okayish posts in there. I'm not saying that they're amazing contributions - we're talking about the Town Tard here - but there is some effort there imo. | ||
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Read that and tell me how it makes sense from a town POV. | ||
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On October 06 2016 03:46 Koshi wrote: Palmar is not the Town Tard. He was voted best player in 2015 or something and he actually finds mafia. This game he is calling you mafia 24/7 without reasoning. Why are you even defending him? 1. My scum-reads have either voted for him or have voted for him in the past. 2. His train is not being challenged by anyone else but myself and I know I'm town. 3. Basically it reminds me of a mislynch in my first game and I don't want the same mistake to happen if Palmar is town. | ||
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(I didn't have problems making unique contributions as mafia last round so eh) | ||
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Why are you questioning this now when you know the answer? | ||
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On October 05 2016 16:09 Grackaroni wrote: That was JAT when he was arguing that batsnacks wasn't being too serious this game. | ||
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On October 06 2016 04:02 Holyflare wrote: koshi can i stop sheeping you now? I want to make calix paranoid I'll indulge you and say that your WIFOM has been noted. You can get off on this post now | ||
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You really can't stop yourself from bitching about me, eh? I'm flattered. | ||
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On October 06 2016 04:20 batsnacks wrote: Mafia is played a lot differently from site to site and I think it's rude to barge in somewhere where you're new and piss everyone off I'm not pissing everyone off and if I am then they're doing a poor job of saying so. You are objecting to my play-style even though it isn't causing any problems. Do you have anything you want to say about the game state? Since you're dying (I think) then there's no reason to not give thoughts now. | ||
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Which makes no sense but sounds like a personal value, not an alignment-indicative one. | ||
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Save the waffling. | ||
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He doesn't seem to give a shit that he's at risk of being lynched at all. | ||
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I would have thought that mafia would at least TRY to defend themselves. Instead he just turns up, says that Superbia is an 'optional lynch' (whatever the fuck that means) and sticks with his stupid scum-read on me. | ||
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So the fact that he's not even bothering against a wagon this weak makes me inclined to think he's either town or is having a seriously bad case of scum fatigue. Only two explanations imo and given my other points, I think town. | ||
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On October 06 2016 05:12 NeverUnlucky wrote: No. You are opposed to his lynch, but you are not defending him. That's an over characterization of what you're doing. I am objecting to his lynch and have offered explanations for him being town which = a defense. And even if this doesn't class as a defense in your eyes, what is your point?? | ||
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That makes no sense. | ||
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No. You keep shitting on my play and used it as a reason to not vote for batsnacks. Now you made a point where you agreed that he is playing like scum. What changed? | ||
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On October 06 2016 05:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: Your play and reads are bad this game. This has nothing to do with my appreciation of Bats' posts. One doesn't prevent another. I will vote Batsnacks. Him not even claiming town just doesn't make the cut for me. That's the basis of every defense, no? I did not agree that he is playing like scum: I stated that his recent posts or what he will call a "defense" was awful. It frankly reminded of scum Eggy. How can you know that my reads are bad exactly? Of all the reasons to vote batsnacks, that has got to be one of the worst. | ||
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Well you have all of this debate and discussion that sparked up after batsnacks was pushed. And then you have a bunch of people who are trying to lynch Palmar/ myself and basically considering a lot of other options outside of batsnacks even though there's not anything he's done to deserve that much consideration. This is badly explained, but it's just a feeling I get about the game. If he's town then I'm not sure why that would be the case that his wagon is causing this much of a disturbance. | ||
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I like that option better. | ||
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On October 06 2016 06:10 Holyflare wrote: You voted too late it wouldn't have saved you. I'm shooting calix 100%. Nobody accuses town batsnacks of defending Superbia and then defends palmar that hard unless they are mafia. lmao | ||
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For example, I thought Palmar was town who was being bandwagoned as an attempt to divert away from batsnacks. Now the only reason that this narrative would make sense is if the mafia actively wanted town!Palmar dead over batsnacks because it meant a less informative lynch. That's assuming a lot about the scum team though so I am not putting a lot of stock into this idea. I don't want to defend Palmar anymore with that in mind. | ||
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I just saw some stupid role-talk and bickering, zzz. Decided to do some filter-diving. JAT and HF are still scummy in their own right, nothing new there. Koshi can enter my obvtown pile. Marv goes down a notch because I looked at his filter and Superbia's. Firstly, his filter isn't as good as I thought it was. Second, I noted that spat over wherever Superbia TMI'd that I was town...and then realised that he called batsnacks/ myself WvW later on. Which makes no sense because if you think Superbia TMI'd that I was town then that implies that you think I'm town...except for the fact that he doesn't. So why would you think that a scum-read was spewed town by another scum-read when you haven't said that you town-read either of them? Very confused there. Stutters can be considered as a potential scum, if only because I'm town-reading a lot of people so he looks worse by POE. | ||
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Your weird obsession with trash-talking me hasn't become any better just because you swapped out "Calix is scum" to "Calix is bad" Please get over yourself, or at least stop mentioning me every second post. | ||
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Isn't that just a typical thing to do? Look at the people who didn't vote for one of the main options? | ||
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On October 07 2016 01:30 justanothertownie wrote: Note how superbia never said he actually believes in TvT wagons. It was an after the fact justification for going after me. I checked his filter and he says that he "liked" Palmar because he didn't vote to save himself and "if it was a gambit then it was good" and then said "did JAT have an opinion on bats/ Palmar?" So I don't follow. | ||
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But a strange thing to say after the posts I flagged up, sure. | ||
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JAT, I'm not really following your argument tbh. He said "oh look off the main wagons", made some comments implying that Palmar was more likely to be town and then made the "not saying it's TvT" comment. Also how is saying "look off the wagon" shit-flinging? I feel like you're bothered because you're in that bracket of players because I don't see anything that amazing. | ||
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I have updated it. Pre-flips aside, I have determined that his filter still sucks, just for different reasons which I might write up later. Currently cannot bring myself to give a fuck right now due to being busy with stuff so. | ||
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batsnacks was seen as scummy based on meta, doesn't mean shit because he wasn't scum. Get a better one using his actual posts and then I'll be inclined to listen. You already know this from last game so bitching about that is just you talking at me for the hell of it. I haven't quantified them yet. That's not the same thing as having nothing to quantify them with. I doubt your reading comprehension is so poor that you missed that sentence. | ||
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I for one have a lot of town-reads which I'm happy with. @NU, yes. | ||
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You must be joking. | ||
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You took multiple paragraphs to realise that. Waste of a wall-post. | ||
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On October 07 2016 02:11 NeverUnlucky wrote: I mean you confirmed it, so you agree with me? I am confused. If you're referring to HF then I'm not sure as to how you concluded that. If you're not then all is well and I'm just not paying close enough attention. | ||
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On October 07 2016 02:13 Holyflare wrote: You know, you're not very good at this game. Well you did say that I'm just like you Being terrible doesn't make me mafia. Anything but. You yourself keep referring to my totally terrible play...which is nothing like my established scum play no matter how hard you stamp your foot over it. | ||
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lol no. I don't need to have played with Stutters before to realise that his filter is underwhelming and I don't need to play with you to see that too. Go whine about something else that doesn't relate to you, bye. | ||
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Has anything else about Marv stood out to you? Why would Stutters being modkilled 'probably put us in trouble'? | ||
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On October 07 2016 02:46 justanothertownie wrote: What does stutters have to do with anything? Don't act stupid. It's obvious by the fact I'm using your words that I'm using him to mock your argument. Now go read the last line. | ||
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On October 07 2016 03:01 Koshi wrote: I don't know what you are asking about marv. My townread on him was based on the content of his posts only when I townread him and then the flip happened and based on that I flipped my read 180 degrees. While him being wrong should not be that impactful. Maybe a bit but not a full 180. Stutters being modkilled is probably bad because 1) modkilled people flip town, that's simply life + 2) we lose a ml (unless there is a vig) and then it's going to be a crappy 3 vs 1 lylo with biased people and the game is lost as well. One last question. Can you walk me through why your read flipped that much after batsnacks flipped town? If this is already explained elsewhere in your filter then just ignore this post. Your Stutters comment stood out as you assumed he was flipping town but since you openly admit that with some reasoning (even if I find it weak and disagree), carry on. | ||
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On October 07 2016 02:08 Holyflare wrote: Jat meta is solid over time underwhelming play that is so easily fact checked and you won't do it. It looks incredibly like you're clutching at straws for a reason if "underwhelming play" is all you have. On October 07 2016 05:26 Holyflare wrote: Jat is only in my mafia list for underwhelming play. Cool story bro. | ||
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If you haven't night-killed me because you somehow think I'm getting mislynched still, I'm 100% voting for you tomorrow. Have fun. | ||
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No way does that come from town. End of story. | ||
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That's incredibly damning, my dude. | ||
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How the fuck do you read those two posts and conclude "it's intentional"? lmao | ||
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He tries to divert the topic and only says "it's a joke guise" to cover his arse. So yes, kindly lynch him tomorrow, kthx. I don't really expect to die tonight but I didn't expect to die in HM either so. | ||
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I do like how you admitted that your 'actual' reads list was bullshit though. | ||
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Sounds great. I really hope you didn't kill me. | ||
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Also means my reads are well off if two of my top scum-reads flipped town >_> | ||
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On October 07 2016 06:17 marvellosity wrote: just listen to other people just like i listened to the doubters about batsnacks if you're town (let's assume that) your point on hf was really silly and the fact no-one could take it seriously should have made you wonder about it, no? Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug, my dude. | ||
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On October 07 2016 06:25 marvellosity wrote: i'm just going to pretend you said that without a hint of sarcasm You might not have to pretend. Anything is possible if you try! | ||
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You said you didn't scum-read him. Now you're claiming that you did scum-read him for that post. You also said he was scummy because he didn't say "I'm town" in his defense - that is literally what you posted in the thread. Someone saying "might as well have fun" has never been scum-indicative. What are you smoking? I don't give a shit if you tried to prevent that, my dude. | ||
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You said at the time that you didn't scum-read him. When I asked now why you voted for someone you didn't scum-read, your answer was that you thought, among other things, that he had scum-claimed and that he was acting like mafia. Plz explain. | ||
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On October 07 2016 06:52 NeverUnlucky wrote: It fucking does. What is the relevance of your point? Unless you think I am mafia with Plamar, you are going nowhere. Who said anything about Palmar? I just asked about your batsnacks vote on its own, my dude. | ||
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On October 07 2016 06:54 NeverUnlucky wrote: Which raises the question: What is the relevance of your point? It's obvious that I think your vote is bad and I'm prying into your stated reasoning vs what you've said before and how they don't actually make sense together. Doesn't take a genius to pick up on that one, pal. | ||
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On October 07 2016 07:01 NeverUnlucky wrote: They make sense together... they're the same. So it has no relevance. You have no follow-up on this. Saying you don't scum-read someone who you think scum-claimed is not the same. Instead of properly explaining your thought process here so that I can understand it better, you're just trying to shut down this line of conversation by calling it 'irrelevant'. | ||
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On October 07 2016 07:06 NeverUnlucky wrote: You have yet to show me how this point is relevant, lmao. I don't see any follow-up coming my way. Nice evasion of explaining your contradictory vote. Your vote sucks. You voted for someone that you didn't scum-read and later claimed that he scum-claimed. This was on town. You then try having your cake and eating it too by going "told you so LOL Calix, you so bad, should have listened to me sooner!" and now you refuse to explain yourself. Need me to spoon-feed you any further on how scummy that is? | ||
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On October 07 2016 07:17 NeverUnlucky wrote: Who are you to tell me my vote sucked, lol? If I voted Palmar, the problem would have been the same. I did not scum-read Palmar. My vote on HF was meaningless because it was the only one on him. I had to choose between two players I do not scum-read. Of course the vote was going to be bad. Nice job taking my vote out of context. Yeah, you're fucking bad. This push is bad. (You claim that my vote doesn't match my reads, while you are pushing one of your scum-reads. That is some really nice play.) I said that you never listened to anybody else. That applies to every game I've seen you play. It's either your lynch or fuck off. The better players' opinion does not matter. I have explained myself. "Your vote was worse so my awful contradiction doesn't mean anything!" You still have not explained how "I don't scum-read him" and "he scum-claimed" make any sense. Your response is just you whining about how you JUST HAD TO CHOOSE between two town-reads when you could have easily voted for a third wagon and push that? lol HF was being considered as an option and had a brief spurt of votes on him iirc. You have no excuse to not even try and get a wagon on him going. It wasn't like anyone really town-read him at that point. You realise that your continued discrediting of someone you town-read is extremely anti-town and only helps the scum do their job by tearing down a town voice, right? It hasn't escaped my notice that most of your posts have the words "Calix is bad/ retarded" which is excessive even for you. The fact that you started renewing your "Calix sucks" tirade once I said that I find your vote scummy (in the same post where you fail to explain it, rofl) speaks volumes. | ||
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On October 07 2016 07:35 NeverUnlucky wrote: You actually have zero self-conscience. This is a complete twist of what I said. I said, "I think that was a scum-claim." I was not convinced it was one myself, and I did explain why I thought it was one. He had a town tone and I stated it. That was why I did not scum-read him. When I placed my vote, I had to go to class. I was not in a position to push for a third wagon. Yeah, you don't rc. He had batsnacks and Palmar's votes and that was after I voted batsnacks. He was not ever considered an option before by other players than me. I had an excuse. Most of my posts? Not. Maybe a sixth of my posts has "X is bad". You are doing a great job of tearing down your own voice. You don't know me. You cannot judge what is excessive for me and what is not. And I never called you or anybody retarded. If you think that this is a good push, you are fucking atrocious. And when did I stop the "Calix is bad" thing? Never. Zero self-conscience...relevant. That doesn't make any sense. If you think it sounded townie then it's not a scum claim. You cannot think someone legitimately scum-claimed yet think they have town-tone. I cannot imagine reading that batsnacks post, thinking "he scum-claimed in a townie way" and then voting him while not-scumreading him...that's a complete mess of a vote. I see nothing here that shows that batsnacks was ever a better vote in your eyes compared to Palmar or Holyflare. That's proving my point of there being existing support for a HF wagon. You vote and hope for a CFD? lmao, if you really thought that both wagons sucked then you wouldn't implicitly support them by jumping on the bandwagon. Why do you need an excuse for your 100% valid vote? xD You don't deny that you're discrediting a town-read, you just try to downplay how much you do it and then push it back onto me. This is a typical deflection tactic of yours - deny the act and blame the other person for doing it. That tells me that your intent is to intentionally discredit my posts. | ||
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On October 07 2016 07:52 NeverUnlucky wrote: Somebody NEEDS to discredit you for Christ's sake. You are pushing town and think you are doing fine. I'm town. The only people who NEED to discredit me are the scum. You are either helping them or you're scum yourself. I don't think you're that retarded so scum is the only option left. Town who think someone is misguided would try to persuade them. You've just insulted me the entire game and then insult me more when I (obviously) don't listen to you. | ||
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On October 07 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote: No, scum do NOT want to discredit you because you are doing the ML legwork for them, lmao. I am 100% helping town by discrediting you and I'm having a blast doing it. You cannot be persuaded. Face the fucking truth. I tried to get you to vote Kovath in IC, you didn't budge. I tried to get you not to vote Drizzt in 3FaS, you didn't budge. I tried to tell you that BS was not mafia, you didn't budge (and downplayed my arguments). You should listen to me. I can read. Bullshit. You didn't try to convince me at all. Your arguments for batsnacks were "you're voting for him so he's a ML" and "he has town tone" That was IT. Why would I listen to that exactly? Come to think of it, you didn't even defend him. You just made some shitty posts where it LOOKED like you were defending him (see above) so you could try and use it for you "I told you so! Listen to me!" shtick. | ||
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Which means that you get no pass for your meta. If I ignore your scum meta, your posts have been sub-par. I'll concede on your "my D1 is going to suck" pre-game point but you'd better step it up. | ||
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On October 07 2016 08:15 NeverUnlucky wrote: No. Get to the bottom of this. Fucking try, FOR ONCE IN YOUR MAFIA CAREER, to look at both town and scum perspective. You have to stop slippery slop-ing by thinking that because one point may be true, then XYZ other points must be true too, and that it proves your point. Fine, I'll hear you out. It's not like anyone else is even here to listen to us bickering. | ||
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On October 07 2016 08:21 NeverUnlucky wrote: Hear me out? I've nothing else to say. I've refuted your points. What I want is either you to continue your tunnel and realize that you fucking suck because I am town or open your eyes now. I am not leaving without that conclusion. I'm honestly mad that you sr me. That was me going "talk about something that you want to discuss with me". You know, like scum-reads or some shit. I lack the energy to start tunneling again now that I've stopped it, so no way. | ||
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On October 07 2016 08:39 NeverUnlucky wrote: Ok, ok. I will make the shittiest defense to ever have existed in the history of forum mafia. This is a defense by a bad player intended for another bad player.  rum roll*+ Show Spoiler + I know you think I'm "full of shit", but I promise you that I am town. "I'm full of shit and I'm town." ![[image loading]](http://www.relatably.com/m/img/why-not-both-meme-spanish/67031947.jpg) I'm done clogging up the thread for tonight. I'm Calix and you're welcome. | ||
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On October 07 2016 17:08 justanothertownie wrote: I disagree that the calix/nu thing was obviously TvT btw. calix had a comparatively passive role in it. Which I can't fault her for but I don't think the whole thing makes her town at all. This is Grade A bullshit. You're telling me that actively posing a question and accusing someone based on that and tunneling is 'comparatively passive'? If that's passive then your posts are worthy of the Pulitzer prize. | ||
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On October 07 2016 18:38 justanothertownie wrote: If you flip town we should probably lynch him for tmi. Eww gross post. On October 07 2016 18:41 justanothertownie wrote: "Comparatively" as in "compared to nu". Yes, you did that stuff and I never said the whole thing makes you mafia. I just feel the general procedure of the argument was nu berating you (never really understood why he felt the need to do it since apparently you are "obvious town" to him) while you just went along with the shitshow. I just don't think that makes you town. Eww another gross post. Why would me being "passive compared to NU" mean anything? You're not actually accusing me of being passive in general, so your comment is meaningless. You're not accusing me of being mafia. You just FELT the need to make a comment saying that I'm less townie than NU...but you don't think it makes me scum so again, this comment is meaningless. What the fuck was the point? All you said was "Calix is less townie than NU" but you don't think I'm mafia either so it looks like you just posted some bullshit for the sake of posting it. | ||
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On October 07 2016 18:46 Palmar wrote: It jives rather well with what I've been thinking about this game. Batsnacks sounded like a townie Oats sounds like a townie NU sounds like a special snowflake Grack is not as funny as I would've thought he should be, but I do like him nonetheless, for now. Superbia is being an ass, but he does that all the time as all alignments, don't think he's been overtly scummy. One of the big milestones today is going to be whether or not he realizes what is up. If he doesn't, he needs to be dropped very low on everyone's lists when I flip town. Superbia is smart, knows me well, and a good player in general. If he votes for me when I'm town, that's super concerning. Damdred and Stutters are players I have completely ignored. Marv is going to drop his vote on me. If he actually stays he's 100% mafia. He reads me better than any player in the history of TL mafia, he has basically a 100% rate on figuring my alignment by day 2 when he's town. If I ever flip town, and he is still calling me mafia, he is scum. there is NO WAY AROUND IT. Thing is, I also know that he knows exactly this. He CAN'T be wrong on me, so I know he's going to end up drop his vote on me today. Depending on whether I believe the reasoning there's a tiny chance I'm wrong. But the NK, his play, his lack of enthusiasm for some things and just some tonally weird things, all point to marv-mafia. Not to mention, both HF and I picked up a townie vibe from batsnacks, and marv completely failed to recognize it. He is better at town than both of us, and that is super concerning. JAT/Koshi/Calix <--- Three strong players who have been atrociously wrong throughout the game. There is definitely town in this group, probably even two. Whichever ones of you are town need to pull head out of asses and start playing reasonably. It is very likely that one of the townies is Koshi, because him tunneling stupid things is kind of what he does as town, the other two are slightly better so who knows. Regarding Calix specifically, my day 1 read of her is mostly tonal. She felt very analytical and willing to try to solve the game when she was town in the last game I was with her. This contrasts her more timid and reserved tone here. I am also slightly suspicious of how she could read me so well on day 1 (against all odds she was calling me town) and then dropped it with some complete bullshit reasoning on n1, that is worrying. This is the first time I've seen you wall-post ever. And the first half of your reads list isn't complete shite. You've finally managed to cross that extremely low threshold set for you. Marv isn't mafia, go focus your efforts somewhere else instead of being a moron because of META. Maybe on Stutters-Scott/ Damdred instead. I'm insulted that you think I'm on the same level as JAT based purely on ONE GAME. That's not even meta, that's just a random fucking game. You continued to be useless and pretty much everyone else looks more townie than you due to said uselessness and two of my scum-reads were wrong, so I decided "well fuck him anyway" and now you're being slightly less useless so who knows. | ||
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On October 07 2016 18:52 justanothertownie wrote: The point was very simple. People (oats I think) called your shitfight obviously TvT. I disagree with that - this should not be a reason to townread you. Okay so you were just discrediting a town-read that Oats had even though you don't scum-read me either. Good to know. | ||
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On October 07 2016 18:56 justanothertownie wrote: Says the guy who did not list calix as town in his list. Can you explain how I have been "atrociously wrong" all game? You cannot seriously fault anyone for scumreading you, even if you are town. This is so bad. Doesn't read like JAT is scum-hunting at all. | ||
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On October 07 2016 19:00 justanothertownie wrote: I did not say that either. You are somewhere between low end of null and scum. Haven't made up my mind yet. Duh, obviously you're not going to directly say that. You saw someone give out a town-read. Your first response was to attack the town-read even though you claim you don't scum-read me either. Your reasoning is that I'm "less townie than NU" (lol) This reads like scum rationale over a townie mindset. | ||
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On October 07 2016 19:06 justanothertownie wrote: Are you intentionally misrepresenting me or just bad at reading? I saw someone throw out a reason to townread you which I think is faulty. I mentioned that. The end. Never said that I scumread you in this context or any of the other stuff you are saying right now. My only message was that the shitfight should be treated as NAI regarding you. Keep proving my point, lol. Why don't you case me and I case you if I'm 'null-scum'? Sound fair? | ||
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On October 07 2016 19:06 Palmar wrote: I don't think you understand the Marv/Palmar dynamic. Everyone here will back me up in saying that it's super, super important. For now, until marv comes back and actually sounds like a rational human being, he MUST be mafia. There is no way around it. This is not normal "these guys know each other". Being on same level as jat + Show Spoiler [Jat don't read this] + is actually a compliment. I am good at mafia, I can tell who has potential in mafia, who is capable of leading, who is capable of communicating, I'm the #1 proponent of the three objectives, the least important of which is finding mafia I am not useless, I'm just not a volume poster. I have stated my reasons for everything along the way. Also, everyone knows that the time I can spend on playing mafia tends to vary a bit, and that I don't really care. I can use my reads to ascertain alignments and reconsider in light of new evidence. I'm not the slightest bit inclined to give a shit about dynamics, much like nobody should give a fuck about how NU/ myself read each other. You have a weird way of complimenting people then. I wasn't criticising how you were posting although I can see how I gave you that impression, more like what you were posting. I can vote JAT with you. Sure, why not? | ||
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On October 07 2016 19:13 justanothertownie wrote: I will case you whenever I think I need to which is not right now since I am not trying to lynch you. Since you seem to be trying to lynch me you should probably case me if you can though. So go ahead. If you're not trying to lynch me then who are you trying to lynch? And if you're not trying to lynch anyone then what are you doing again? | ||
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On October 07 2016 19:16 justanothertownie wrote: I am lynching Palmar right now and have said that and also voted him for ages. That should be pretty obvious. I would love to keep listening to your bullshit but unfortunately I have to work now. If your posts to Palmar were honest, legitimate attempts to divine his alignment then I'm going to eat a frog. Enjoy! | ||
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Palmar (3): Marv, Koshi, JAT Damdred (2): NU, Grackaroni JAT (2): Calix, Palmar This will be the part where everyone decides to veer off and do their own thing. | ||
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On October 07 2016 20:34 Koshi wrote: Well this Palmar / Marv fight was a letdown. Agreed. Not enough melodrama, 3/10. Probably TvT though. | ||
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On October 07 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote: I am not doing that at all. Not at fucking all. marv/JAT/Palmar and if a back up is needed I am thinking Damdred/Scott. Never did I want to go to you. So do you currently think that Palmar/ Marv is some elaborate bussing scheme? And that scum!Palmar is supporting my push onto scum!JAT and giving me the credit for the push? I guess it's possible, if we make the minor assumption that the entire scum team are so incompetent that they are failing to get any attention onto a town member. | ||
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I hear that said laziness is not AI for him. | ||
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It's poor play from scum because if one of them gets (mis) lynched then the other one looks absolutely terrible. All for the grand total of...one mislynch! You'll notice this is a similar - if not identical - argument to what was being used with me at the start of the game when I was attacking NU. That's because it's a similar situation. | ||
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We should discuss other players who have been out of the spotlight. I think Superbia has been lurking under the radar for one. This is unproductive and taking up too much thread space compared to its significance imo. | ||
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On October 08 2016 04:54 marvellosity wrote: the problem is you're likely wrong and it's incredibly significant. I might be going out soon, so if I do then I'll make a note to look over your Palmar argument and read his filter with it in mind since nobody will fucking talk about anything else. | ||
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On October 08 2016 05:00 NeverUnlucky wrote: In AI 2, Banana and Firebringer did a similar thing D1. They made a 1v1 and said that only one of them was going to be lynched that day and drew a lot of attention to themselves by doing so. Both were scum (Executioner vs. Godfather). I did a similar thing as Serial Killer in 3FaS with Unknown. Like I get that it's hard to conceive that scum would draw attention to themselves from a logical standpoint, but such situations have happened in the past. I won't push this any further as we're going in the wifom grounds. Also, I get the feeling that Palmar is not pushing Marv. His argument is basically that we should lynch marv when plamar flips. That's not really a push. More "fearmongering" as Koshi would say. I think I actually find marv more town than Plam in that 1v1. If you put a gun to my head and told me to pick one then I agree that Marv is a dozen times townier than Palmar and if everyone insists that one of them must die today then I'm going with him. I'm not sure if either of them are as...volatile as BC/ FB but it's not a bad counter point. | ||
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- Makes a valid point that nobody (myself included) has bothered to make a case against him after Day 1. - Claims Palmar has not left his mafia range. Seems to think that it is TvS and that the town will make himself obvious. - Scum-reads Superbia/ Damdred. - Makes a large post concluding Scott/ Stutters is null. - Correctly claims that defensiveness is not scum-indicative. Overall, it's not terrible. I don't think he says anything super-townie/ something mafia would never say but his posts didn't give me the vibe that he was sitting on the sidelines and pushing mafia objectives so I have no complaints. | ||
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On October 08 2016 05:06 NeverUnlucky wrote: So 2 of Scott/DDD/Superbia/Koshi (Is he considered a lurkerrr?)/Plamar are scum iyo? I don't think Koshi is mafia. But the others, yes. I think Scott should be pressured sometime soon. From what I've seen of his play, he is not much of a talker so I imagine it's difficult to distinguish between his town/ scum play. Hell, I was scum in a game where he was town and even I was struggling to see town motivation in his posts | ||
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Otherwise there would be a distinct lack of scum manipulation in the thread. From my perspective, this isn't the case. | ||
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I suck at looking for town motives so let's just ask you. And I don't want "lol playing like my usual town self" as a response, fuck that. I want evidence from this game. I can't relate to that meta shit and can't get it so why would I sheep it? lol | ||
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On October 08 2016 16:09 scott31337 wrote: Sorry Damdred, I've had car accidents happen and still was able to at least voice my opinion. My vote is for you. That's a really bad reason to vote for someone. | ||
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On October 08 2016 17:00 scott31337 wrote: You're a really bad reason to be alive. I'll shut up, My drunkenness gets me called scummy too often. See you tomorrow! I think your lack of wit gets you called scummy far more often than your inability to be sober, love. | ||
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You make a reads list where he's at "null-town" You note that he claims to be sick and claim that he doesn't make up excuses. You go on to scum-read JAT over Palmar and make critical comments at JAT. ...and then you vote Damdred because he isn't posting due to being sick...? | ||
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And I think the other two are among you, Damdred, Superbia because I think the majority of the scum are passive/ lack influence. You could add Palmar/ Koshi but I think those two are town. | ||
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I'm really skeptical over that awful Scott vote. I cannot see how anyone has that thought naturally. | ||
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The main thing bugging me still are those posts where he downplays town-reads and we've already argued over that. (see Page 10 of his filter) I still cannot think of why town would do that -_- Although he doesn't do it as often as I thought he did so... zzz, I hate getting cold feet. | ||
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On October 08 2016 18:56 Oatsmaster wrote: that lurker vote is strong af. Meaning? | ||
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I didn't have one for most of Day 2 since he didn't do anything. Now I'm skeptical because of that horrendous vote. | ||
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Did you see my question about town motivation? I might have been slightly intoxicated when I wrote it but I still want an answer. | ||
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On October 08 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote: Would you kindly share your opinion on Oats? Personally, my town-read of him is fading out. He asks for others' opinions more than he gives his. He mischaracterizes stuff sometimes. Connects with 1 - no read progression/I don't know why he is voting X. Was pretty defensive over his vote D1 when no accusations against him were made. Much of an overreaction. (NAI) His fake-voting puzzles me. Really. Funny, I was thinking the same thing re: town-reading him less because I don't remember anything that he's posted today. As for your points, I don't think asking for opinions a lot is a scum tell. I'll keep the others in mind when rereading. | ||
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On October 08 2016 21:52 NeverUnlucky wrote: I mean, I don't see a single good vote in the train you are leading. Plam is sheeping you, Grack ???, Oats ???, and you are not confident in him being scum anymore. It seems like you just want him lynched to get things cleared though I don't know what exactly. Frankly, I don't know why you scum-read him now. And he makes a good point when he says that no cases were made on him D2 re: if there were cases on him, they are outdated and maybe connect with his interaction with BS who flipped town. So... why do you and the others on the train sr him? Who would your vote be going to otherwise? I am in the process of reconsidering. Still have a few hours before I leave. I've already said that the only thing from him which only makes sense from mafia > town is the weird town-read stuff (which has already been covered...as said) and that even though he's done other questionable things, I can see a town explanation for them so I didn't include them. I'd vote for Scott next and if Scott miraculously proves himself to be super-town then I'm stumped. | ||
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I found this strange: On October 05 2016 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok thats true. But feels a bit easy if you know what I mean tl;dr: He criticises batsnacks for not coming to a conclusion about wherever Damdred is scum or not. He's told that batsnacks concluded Damdred was scummy earlier. He then admits this is true while still clinging onto his point which was just proven false by calling it "easy". On October 05 2016 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok now I'm gonna sheep Marv, so my vote is not useless Palmar.... Honestly though bats re-entry did not include a scum-read or Vote and it did include some stupid shit about "if I'm mafia and super is town, I have nothing to gain by hard defending super" except that 1, when super flips you get cred for being right, 2, your influence is so low that you aren't going to change anyone's minds. Vote threads suxk This is also weird for Oats to say because this is the dude that made a stink about not-voting to be NAI. Here is he referring to not-voting as if it is telling about batsnacks' alignment. On October 06 2016 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote: No, you pushed cases and kept the thread alive when it was dying. same as calix. did you even read my question or did you just see, "someone called me scum,must answer with some irrelevant nonsense". And this is odd because I swear he was scum-reading/ voting for HF earlier and I have no idea how his read changed from the end of D1 to this post. His reasoning for town-reading HF here is that he's keeping the thread alive/ pushing cases...but he was doing that since Day 1 so why is it only relevant now? There's no real reason for the scum-read to have changed to a town-read. | ||
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On October 08 2016 22:25 NeverUnlucky wrote: "And this is odd because I swear he was scum-reading/ voting for HF earlier and I have no idea how his read changed from the end of D1 to this post." He is still clearly scum-reading HF in this post you quoted ("Hf might be the mafia vig that would be interesting", mafia vig, wtf lol). There is no incongruity there. I don't get point 1. Point 2 is ok. Point 3 was the most questionable one and since that has a reasonable explanation (aka my point was wrong), I'm fine with thinking that Oats is town because the other points aren't incriminating by themselves. This is actually motivating me to look at filters with a more critical eye though so. | ||
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Koshi makes a valid point. Palmar makes a nice defense. Koshi makes more valid points out of said defense. And so forth. Koshi is probably tunneling here but his reasons don't feel forced and I can see how he concluded the things he has so I should hear him out. Time to reread their interactions. | ||
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I also like Koshi's point about "playing right above not getting lynched" as a descriptor of Palmar's posts, it's quite accurate imo. I'll consider it. Would also consider voting for Scott. As it stands, I'm just unvoting for now. | ||
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On October 09 2016 01:29 NeverUnlucky wrote: Yes, it is accurate. Is it scum-AI though? Given that Koshi's point is that Palmar's sole intention with posting is to avoid being lynched, then yes, that is scum-indicative. If you disagree then run up a good counter-argument if you have one so we can discuss it. Better now than later. | ||
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That was not a bad post. I actually agree with you that a) that first post went nowhere and was way too general, b) his play has not improved since Day 1 and that c) your point about Superbia's read progression with regards to Palmar/ bats is incriminating as hell. | ||
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I can find quotes if people are too lazy, although JAT has already done half the work with the Palmar/ batsnacks thing. | ||
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So are we all agreed that - assuming Palmar/ Superbia are mafia - that the last scum is basically among Damdred, Grack, Scott? I feel overly optimistic about the odds of winning right now, lol. | ||
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I think it's only relevant because all of the current possibilities have low thread presence, implying that the mafia are passive and aren't disrupting the thread enough, Checks out. | ||
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Sure, it's possible that Superbia completely forgot about the reads he posted and voted for Palmar but I think my idea has greater validity. | ||
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He's saying that HF is doing some OMGUS on me and giving himself an excuse to back off from the read. Not that amazing. Oats town-read is fine, I agree. If I was so obviously bad then why would someone saying that mean anything? I can kind of see where you're coming from but I'm not inclined to agree. But given that the two main candidates are fine by me, it doesn't mean too much. | ||
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But while we're on this topic, tone it down next time. Feel free to call me bad or a retard, just don't do it every other post. It loses the impact. Is there anything else that we should discuss? Going out in ten, might be back before deadline though as the event I'm attending is dreadfully boring. I'm only going for the freebies. | ||
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Also my flatmates keep thinking they can sing when they can't. It's a disturbing experience so I'll take a chance to get away from it. | ||
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This was when he had a grand total of...one? Two? votes. | ||
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On October 09 2016 04:19 justanothertownie wrote: This calling Palmar #1 needs to stop. First the worst, hun. | ||
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On October 09 2016 05:14 NeverUnlucky wrote: Wowzers, ya told me you were not going to have any flatmate when I asked. Where do you fit in? If you had to put a name on the mafia, who would they be? o.o I went all the way there and all I got was this bloody t-shirt. I don't have a room mate. I share an apartment with other people though. As for Grack, why shouldn't we consider you one of the 'really useless' mafiah people? | ||
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I'm falling asleep though. Worth rereading JAT's case just in case there's any TMI but I don't think there was. | ||
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Do you have anything else about your JAT read? I'm not so convinced there. | ||
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If I just assume that Marv, Koshi, NU, Oats, Grack are always town, that's 6/8 townies. Will have to double-check because there's always the possibility of a deep wolf but it's not impossible. That just leaves Palmar, Scott, Damdred, JAT. And I don't think Scott/ Damdred is ever a thing. So you might actually be onto something. | ||
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But I have yet to properly analyse their filters so my view may change. | ||
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Scott is less useful than a blow-up doll in comparison and that's saying a lot. | ||
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@ this entire interaction. ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/QJcRf1CSfZ8HK/giphy.gif) | ||
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On October 09 2016 21:00 Oatsmaster wrote: hes idependantly scummy, also what a retarded vote on damdred then the super sheep onto super. Ok really going nowhere jat. Like you really think that I cant find shit in other peoples filters? Honestly. And Palmar isn't independently scummy? Well why DO you scum-read JAT? Can't be hard to summarise at least. In fact, I'll get JAT to demonstrate. JAT, why did you scum-read me/ null-scum read me to begin with? And what changed? lol | ||
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HF was playing too but he's dead, as you noted. As for you JAT, I'm more inclined to believe you after Oats'...interesting responses. | ||
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On October 09 2016 21:24 Oatsmaster wrote: well both of them as posted earlier but I can only lynch one of them a day and scott is that one.. Im just gonna quote your filter k. Strong reasoning. I am convinced. | ||
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On October 09 2016 21:25 NeverUnlucky wrote: JAT giving himself town credit. Reminds you of something, Calix? Naw. | ||
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On October 09 2016 21:29 NeverUnlucky wrote: Now? Also, you did a very similar post this game. I'll have you know that the post you quoted was pure genius on my part But yes, I get what point you're making. And did I? Must have missed that. | ||
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On October 09 2016 21:34 NeverUnlucky wrote: No, Calix. It was a bad post. If you've read the /obs chat you'd know that this is what made me doubt you and what made scumformation tinfoil you. You are basically trying to town-clear yourself, like JAT did. It's a big no-no. Yeah, you did. Not as much effort and confetti, but a similar comment nonetheless. Let's try to start on a common grounds. Do you agree with me that you are scum this game? Stopped taking you with even an atom of seriousness with that last question. | ||
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Ten pence that he's using some stupid 'meta' reason to scum-read me. | ||
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This is great. You're actually taking the time to go through my scum games and cherry-pick quotes. Hilarious. | ||
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I just don't feel the need to hammer it in because unlike some people, I can be subtle. | ||
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I'm off for a bit. | ||
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A) Explain why he's scum-reading JAT B) Explain his read on Palmar C) Actually push the game forward then there had better be some god-tier explanation. | ||
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I still think your Palmar town-read sucks. Can you find town motivation for the posts that Koshi has flagged up? Otherwise having a 'strong opening' is not a town tell. | ||
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On October 09 2016 22:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Its night now dude, you honestly dont know why I think jat is scum? Spit it out now, you idiot, instead of wasting more posts and time with stupid questions -.- | ||
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On October 09 2016 22:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Girl plz. Palmar is hardcore just popping in, posting some stuff about the game that makes some sense then peacing out. His behavior around the lynch was really weird with him here I mean like what the fuck man. there isnt much to say about scott cause its so obvious. Jat shit is in here come on man, im just quoting your filter. + Show Spoiler + On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote: Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them. Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter). He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far. This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter? And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts: Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town. His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum. On October 07 2016 19:01 Calix wrote: This is so bad. Doesn't read like JAT is scum-hunting at all. On October 08 2016 17:11 Calix wrote: I still think JAT is the scummiest player in the thread. As flagged up earlier, I get the impression that he just pops in to make leading comments that serve the mafia agenda. It's a Saturday morning so no harm in me reading his filter now. And I think the other two are among you, Damdred, Superbia because I think the majority of the scum are passive/ lack influence. You could add Palmar/ Koshi but I think those two are town. jat has posted absolutely no content whatsoever, its disgusting how little shit is in his 10 page filter. I see some Palmar comments but no conclusion. I don't agree with most of the things that you quoted anymore. If you actually read Day 2, you would have seen why my read changed. lol | ||
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'arbitrarily better' ??? I thought Palmar's responses were okay until Koshi pointed out the flaws in them. You also agreed with this assessment. | ||
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Because if so, I don't even know what to say to you. | ||
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Good stuff for sure. | ||
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How does that make any sense? How do you agree with the points but not think they make Superbia scum but vote for Superbia anyway? ??? | ||
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On October 09 2016 22:53 NeverUnlucky wrote: Not quite it. I agreed with the points, so I was fooled into thinking that he was scum for those points. Before that, I had Superbia in my lock-town circle and was joking around with him. I'm sure the same thing happened to you. Then you DID scum-read him? Jesus fucking Christ, you make no sense. | ||
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On October 09 2016 22:58 NeverUnlucky wrote: And defend your town-read of jat if you would be so kind. I'll do that when you explain why JAT is scum. Unless you have a single comment which can NEVER come from town then I don't think there's a good case against him tbh. | ||
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We've bickered for pages in a giant circle-jerk but not much has actually changed and we're not getting closer to clarifying matters. | ||
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I only have shitty reasoning myself. | ||
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Observe his initial reads list where he claims he wants Palmar/ JAT lynched. That's all fine and dandy. + Show Spoiler [JAT (lean scum) + Damdred (null-town)] + On October 07 2016 12:23 scott31337 wrote: justanothertownie - leaning scum, he's doing the not getting info/shitposting JAT - which is a mafia trait for him. Damdred-slight townlean/almost null - very little to go on. That's where I'm at now - Lynch Palmar/JAT preferred, Poke Super and Grack some more. Observe him justifying Damdred's MIA status as NAI for him and assuming that he is telling the truth. On October 08 2016 05:44 scott31337 wrote: This was his sick reason 23 hours ago and his last post. :/ He's not one to make up sick excuses etc Observe him make points about why JAT is scummy and talk to JAT in a negative manner. On October 08 2016 05:55 scott31337 wrote: Well that sounds legit I have been scum reading you two, and you are both voting for each other. A sick double bus would be extremely bad at this point in nature - so it makes more sense that one, or both of you are town. You just remind me of the "don't give out any info" JAT instead of the inquisitiveness/solving the game/pushing further JAT like in that game I was the two shot tracker. Palmar is sounding slightly better with his recent posts. On October 08 2016 16:00 scott31337 wrote: JAT - You wonder why? Two of these people you tell the most of are dead, and the other I've replaced. This is one situation I'm speaking of. Observe him promptly forget all of that in favour of this AWFUL vote on Damdred over Palmar or JAT even though both of them were wagons at the time of his vote. On October 08 2016 16:09 scott31337 wrote: Sorry Damdred, I've had car accidents happen and still was able to at least voice my opinion. My vote is for you. | ||
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On October 06 2016 01:20 justanothertownie wrote: Indeed. You immediately rushed to her defense without understanding the accusation against her as evidenced here: Then you try to defend her by arguing her scumread on me doesn't depend on batsnacks which it evidently does. And when all fails you just claim that you think she can forget her scumreads. You defended for 2 separate and incorrect reasons before actually understanding the argument and then kept doing it. This seems to sum up the gist of what JAT is arguing. He's welcome to chip in, of course, but I take it that you two are accusing Grack of white-knighting me? | ||
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Stutters/ Scott has either been AFK or jumped on the bandwagon and the only person even remotely involved in the Superbia mislynch was Grack. I think it'll be useful to note down what each of them did. We could even divvy it up between us or some shit, lol. | ||
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So we're concluding that the town did the usual thing of eating each other? | ||
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Grack and Palmar can join Team Go Fuck Yourselves for whining that we're scum-reading them when they have done jack shit the entire game. The only valid point I saw in that was Grack defending Palmar with the "calling Superbia a bad lynch just draws attention to him" argument. Otherwise no. | ||
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On October 10 2016 04:51 Grackaroni wrote: Waaaaah you haven't done anything. Waaaaaah now you are accusing Marv and Koshi and I dislike that. Make your choice. You're one of the biggest whiners here. You haven't done anything yet you have the audacity to talk shit about the people who have? Why is it that you've only sprung to life after people start accusing you? lol | ||
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On October 10 2016 04:56 Grackaroni wrote: I'm trying to point out why we should be pushing Marv. You rudely accuse me of not doing anything while I am doing something. I believe you stated that defensiveness wasn't a scum trait earlier? Nice one, Calix. Your push sucks. "Oh no he hasn't posted in X hours." Who gives a shit? I'm not calling you defensive. I'm accusing you of only giving a fuck about the game after people talk about you. | ||
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There's also the issue of Scott to content with. Sadly dwelling on this is just speculation because neither of them are actually playing. | ||
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On October 10 2016 05:03 NeverUnlucky wrote: Yeah, but why do you and Koshi TR him? Agreed. We pretty much have to keep our last ML to make sure we don't flip the coin on the wrong side when dealing with scott/ddd. I town-read him because the thoughts he had (at the time) were very similar to mine. Like he literally said things which I was going to say in my catch-up post but didn't because he had already said them. I know that's biased, but it's there. | ||
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This may not be entirely accurate. It's just the vibe I got and people should look into it when Day 3 starts. | ||
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On October 10 2016 05:10 NeverUnlucky wrote: Mmk. Forget that point then, it is forseeable. Who do you 100% trust? I'll need someone else to bounce my reads off of. Koshi, you, Marv. JAT to an extent as a lot of questionable people are pushing him. I mean, that's 5/7 right? | ||
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On October 10 2016 05:15 NeverUnlucky wrote: What do you think of this? Who would you lynch tomorrow? It also gives us cop checks so sounds like a plan to me. Palmar. If Scott/ Damdred get replaced or some shit and actually deck it out then I'd consider them too but as it stands, Palmar 2k16. | ||
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Using meta arguments is fucking stupid. Come up with something original plz. | ||
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On October 10 2016 05:33 Grackaroni wrote: If they say the same thing how am I fear mongering? They are town. You are scum, etc etc. You know this song and dance. You're using Marv's inactivity as the primary factor for why he's scum which is obvious bullshit and not a case because activity is NAI. I'd rather see this 'amazing' case against Koshi just so you can incriminate yourself and save me the effort. | ||
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Lack of case noted, got it. | ||
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I would have made a detailed Last Will but I was out for most of the evening. | ||
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At least you deserve it. | ||
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It's worth remembering to keep the intent of the poster in mind when evaluating any arguments made in the future. Don't just sheep something that sounds good on the surface. Easier said than done, I know. | ||
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But seriously? That's the weirdest kill. | ||
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Assuming c) is sub-optimal strategy so guess I'll be filter-diving later on now that I know he's town. | ||
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Not a great sign. | ||
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It's complete bullshit that two of the slots aren't even posting. | ||
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On October 10 2016 06:13 NeverUnlucky wrote: Do you think that there's deep wolf in marv/koshi/me? Looks like a possibility. None of the widely town-read players have been hit yet. HF had his fair share of detractors and Grack was being considered as a scum suspect. Possible that the scum are just trying to hit TPRs but they could just roleblock in that case so I am skeptical. | ||
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On October 10 2016 06:19 NeverUnlucky wrote: Why do you assume it's a roleblocker? It's a guaranteed role in the setup, you dipshit. | ||
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I don't really know how to operate given that everyone seems to have whack reads right now. | ||
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- He's inconsistent as fuck with his reads. - Sheep-voted onto a mislynch. - Has not given any reason for his inactivity this game. - Voted Damdred for being AFK due to real-life reasons yet is AFK himself. In fact, I think I will. | ||
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On October 10 2016 06:10 NeverUnlucky wrote: That makes the town on Plamar day 100% town and the CFD on Damdred 100% town. Paranoia checking in. How do you know that Palmar's wagon is 100% town when Koshi is still alive? | ||
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Either the scum are largely AFK (Scott, Damdred) or they're deep wolves (NU, Koshi, Marv, JAT) This is bugging me too much. | ||
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^^^much better idea. | ||
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Other than that, carry on. | ||
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In fact, I just did that by looking at Damdred in HM 3 and his play here. Two things to note: 1. His tone has changed considerably. He is more brash and confident in that game. This point might be because he is sick, however. 2. He focused more on his town circle in HM 3 while in this game he's just focused on scum reads. This I do not have an explanation for. | ||
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On October 10 2016 07:33 Damdred wrote: Saying that my activity level is indicative of anything is folly at best and idiocy at worst. For example I,have several scum games that have 15-30 pages who or at the same time I have some scum games with 1-5 pages. And these happen in indiscriminate means as I see fit. The same can be said of my town game the range in which I post is high sometimes and low others. Trying to draw conclusions based off activity and any type of excuses (that I'm attempting to keep out of thread) is ludicrous. As such if you are town you should be happy I am here and will catch up. If you are scum keep being dumb. Neither of us called your activity AI. Please quote where we did and I'll consider apologising. And neither of us are using your sickness to read you. | ||
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On October 10 2016 07:42 NeverUnlucky wrote: There’s only one moment I noticed his tone being different, and it was in his interaction with bats. It was more inquisitive than his usual chummy-chummy tone. Overall he feels more distant this game. Was that what you had noticed? Don’t think he was sick at the time and don’t think being sick makes the tone more inquisitive than usual. I’ve noted this too. It’s a not the best argument as he may be trying a new play style or approaching the game differently (before he got his rolecard). For instance, my play this game is nothing like any of the other games I’ve played before. You are right that you are a hypocrite though. I can tell you that much c: When people questioned him, he is bolder and has a stronger "go fuck yourself" kind of attitude. So kind of. He hasn't been involved at all so it's difficult to gauge but that seems to be absent from his play so far. It's worth him explaining though imo. Being a hypocrite is the best flaw. I can do whatever I want and nobody can call me scummy for it because I pull this shit as town. #bestplayer #mvp | ||
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On October 10 2016 07:56 Damdred wrote: This post basically condemns me for activity without overtly stateing it. And your reads on me for the both of you are horribly bad as per usual. And might I add saying he's never inquisitive or the like is foolish as neither of you know anything of me past one game. Even the fame bats quoted I was inquisitive. No it doesn't. He's saying that you're defending yourself against an accusation before it has been made. Counter-point. Why is it "as per usual" for us to have bad reads on you when we've only been in one game together yet us calling you non-inquisitive is bad because we've been in one game together? | ||
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I'm fit to drop. I trust NU can lead the interrogation in my absence. Don't forget to let him have some time to give his own thoughts outside of a defense, however. Goodnight. | ||
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On October 10 2016 09:06 Damdred wrote: That's a bad case tbh, The first part is about me being wrong? The game of mafia is about people coming from a place of no knowledge to try to find the people with all of the information and are trying to stay hidden. Ie most of the time when you role town especially early game (which is where that wad) you will be wrong most of the time sometimes you will be dialed in and be more right than wrong,but most of the time not so much. Bats at the time of the read_(he even admits as much) that he hadn't taken stances or done much of note. And he did have one post of tinfoil when normally he would have,much more. I can't remember the exact post but was a scenario where someone was scum,and with who etc. Overall another post about being wrong in my read, which doesn't make me,scum. A few people agreed with me,that the way super went about interacting with marv will get the negative affects of marv raging and even marv says that is nit the way to go about interacting with him. This isn't really a point against me really you are losing the context of the situation and painting it scummy. As for hesitant reads I am allowed those from time to time when I am unsure which way to go. I don't really think it's a point against me as everyone is unsure at points. Overall your case is a narrative that lacks context and attempts to paint,me as scum,while,ignoring other moving,parts in,the thread. Its a bad case but I still do not think you are scum just dumb. This is a bad post. I just want to elaborate on this a bit before I head out. 1. First part is valid (being wrong =/= being scum) but he doesn't stop there. I really really want to emphasise these lines here: The game of mafia is about people coming from a place of no knowledge to try to find the people with all of the information and are trying to stay hidden. Ie most of the time when you role town especially early game (which is where that wad) you will be wrong most of the time sometimes you will be dialed in and be more right than wrong,but most of the time not so much. He literally repeats the game objective and even though he's purporting to come from the perspective of a townie, he doesn't sound like he relates to that at all as he just reiterates obvious information in the most emotionless manner. The last part especially is just writing words to take up space. 2. Lots of appeals to what other players have been saying and using this to support his points. I do not see town motivation behind using the words of others to convey your points...especially when you are defending yourself. 3. NU has already noted this but the way that Damdred counters the points ("doesn't make me scum/ that point cannot be used against me") is a prominent theme in his posts. He says they don't make him scum but they don't make him town either. 4. His tone is objective as hell and makes him sound detached. | ||
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On October 10 2016 22:17 Damdred wrote: Basically if I say it both of you think it's a bad post, even if it is the truth. If someone else says something against me,it's a good post. Never case against me is bad I explained why. And I'd rather argue and take part,in the thread while I catch up than read 100 pages and disappear for most of the day. Also to point out something that calix says, he's trying to use against me (about the marv point) and well it's super important the context of the thread and how marv actually reacted. It matters a lot actually what others/marv himself states after I make my point. If his case is bad then kindly show us the town motivation because I am not seeing it. I'll also take some reads plz and an indication of how many pages you've read. Your first two lines are just you complaining that people are suspicious of you and dislike your posts. Also you're being selective with what you respond to. That Marv response is...inflating the significance of a minor point which I only flagged up to show a pattern of you using other people to push your points...and ignores the rest of my post where I make far better points. | ||
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Why did you say them to begin with?! All you have is "I'm not-scum". Well guess what? You're not-town either. ##vote Damdred | ||
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Meaning that you are, by your portrayal of your posts, an ideal lynch because you have done nothing that indicates anything the entire game. | ||
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Do you have any reads you'd like to give? | ||
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Will we ever find out what page number Damdred is on? Does he have any reads? When will he reach the point where he does something alignment-indicative? Find out next week! | ||
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On the other hand, I was mocking people in my scum game because nobody questioned me at all until Day 4, so can't really blame people for being paranoid. | ||
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On October 11 2016 01:05 NeverUnlucky wrote: This is not me being paranoid. This is me consolidating/revisiting my read. HF and Grack were suspicious of you, so I just want to make sure I'm not reenacting Blind Faith NU. Please do tell me why iyo people should town-read you. I don't think I can stand another minute of reading your bad bad bad bad bad posts. No. Bonus: It means you have to keep reading my posts | ||
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Maybe focus on someone that isn't you. And no, I do not want a response to this post that tells me WHY you're being like this. Just please stop doing it forever. | ||
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A) I can laugh at you. And that's it, but that's a stellar reason. | ||
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On October 11 2016 04:17 NeverUnlucky wrote: bla bla bla I am mafia bla bla bla He calls you obvious mafia as well. It is only normal for him to vote you. There's no inconsistency in what he said. "I can see him being mafia if you aren't" -> "So basically you have to be mafia" Nice contradiction. Also, your post makes no sense. You come up with, "So basically you have to be mafia" as a conclusion to "Maybe marv is maybe if you are not, but I am not mafia". There is no correlation between these two statements. Why are you defending the person that you're voting for? And why are you comfortable voting with two of your scum-reads? ??? | ||
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Palmar/ Damdred/ Scott are still being shitters and Marv is AWOL and JAT is being dumb and Koshi/ NU/ myself are obvious town. What else is new? | ||
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I fail to see how characterising himself as the Ultimate Null Read and doing shit like stating the game objective can be considered null. | ||
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On October 11 2016 06:58 justanothertownie wrote: What does he gain from doing it as mafia? Yeah. It is nothing he should post because it doesn't further his agenda regardless of his alignment. It's pointless. It downplays any reads that can be made on him, thus making all discussion about him difficult because he just shoots down every single point as 'NAI' so that he cannot be talked about. Reiterating such nonsense during his defense is writing words for the sake of writing words while making it appear like he contributed more than he has. | ||
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On October 11 2016 07:06 Palmar wrote: And I still have almost 10 pages filter btw so I'm not just afk When a good % of your filter are posts like this one, it's not impressive. | ||
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Like I'm sure there was some contrived reasoning tacked onto it, but that was a main reason yeah? | ||
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On October 11 2016 07:24 justanothertownie wrote: That was definitely one of the main reasons if not the only one. Palmar voting me for not killing a supposed mafia marv is so incredibly bad... he knows I would be hedgy as fuck on him as town. He knows I would bus the fuck out of him as mafia. Like I did to palmar and sandro in my last scumgame. I've seen that game. So at least the meta references are something I can actually understand. | ||
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On October 11 2016 07:55 Palmar wrote: 2 I'll explain what about it is stupid. It's the complete lack of willing to lead. I have been begging for someone to actually lead this town in a sane way since day 2. I knew I wouldn't be able to. I almost always accept the role of leader myself, but I just can't this time around. So, she expects me to pump out content and contributions, and doesn't like the fact I'm trying to lynch scum. Let's remove the name "Palmar" and replace it with "Oatsmaster" or "Onegu" or "Dandel Ion". Suddenly my 9 pages of filter don't look so bad. I am trying to move the game in a sane direction, and in the process I'm putting my reads neck out there because I truly don't know much about the game. I just know a few things and I'm still good at recognizing what is happening and understanding game state. If I was Onegu, people would be working around my reduced contributions and be willing to solve the game without my input. But Calix wants to sit on her ass and expects to be carried to victory by some monumental effort by me. How about, just this once, yall open my filter. Perhaps compare to the last game in which I tried to play the "afk mafia" role for a bit, and tell me how tonally similar I am to myself. Or just read what I've posted so far in the game. It's really some of the more townie stuff I've done. You're assuming that I have any idea of how you 'usually' play. I don't. All I've seen of you is your shitty AFK play. This game, you're being a whiny bitch and expecting me to listen to you based on some meta reasons which I can't relate to. In literally no world do I have the impression that you're a good player. | ||
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On October 11 2016 08:00 justanothertownie wrote: I admit he sounds like town right now. But he is pretty decent at faking that. I would really hope that mafia!Palmar has a bit more pride than to whine this much as scum. | ||
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On October 11 2016 08:05 NeverUnlucky wrote: You whine when he's afk, you whine when he's here. You're hard to please. I actually do stuff outside of whining though. Also I think he was mafia in the Rogue Hype game with HF/ Scott, but the OP isn't updated so not 100% sure there. | ||
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He does some similar shit to this game (e.g., calling his town-reads bad)...but I see no excessive whining posts and that's the only thing that does it for me at the moment. | ||
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I really don't think Marv is scum and I'm not in the business of lynching him based on his inactivity. | ||
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On October 11 2016 08:50 NeverUnlucky wrote: How is lynching Damdred different in that case? I'm 100 times more confident that he will flip mafia than Marv, duh. If both of them are somehow mafia then sure, it doesn't make a difference but I'm not sold there and I'd rather take the safe option now rather than later, you know? Also means more popcorn if Palmar gets annoyed at me for not listening to him yet again | ||
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But hey, not the first time I've defended the shitty. Wasn't I the only person defending Palmar on Day 1 as well? Just remembered that. | ||
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I'm only skimming JAT's filter at the moment since it's really late over here so if someone else wants to do it with me then knock yourself out. You can check up on Marv and Oats too while you're at it. | ||
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Going to have to leave it for now. I am falling asleep at the keys here and I have important stuff to do tomorrow. | ||
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Or JAT. Maybe. I'm getting that feeling about his posts again -_- | ||
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On October 11 2016 23:28 justanothertownie wrote: Please don't start being bad again. I am getting tired of being called bad every time I suspect NU/ Palmar/ JAT. FYI, posts like these are what ping me. On October 11 2016 08:00 justanothertownie wrote: I admit he sounds like town right now. But he is pretty decent at faking that. On October 11 2016 23:13 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, it is. 7 pages is nothing at this point. And if I remember correctly oats had a few decent mafia games from time to time, no? On October 11 2016 23:21 justanothertownie wrote: Oats hasn't played in ages btw. so he might very well be more active as mafia. | ||
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But basically it's like you're doing it in a way that spreads paranoia and doubt about other people as opposed to countering the town-reads with actual logic. Instead of saying "you make a point but how about XYZ post they made, does this change your view?" or something, you go "well his scum game COULD be more active" or "but it's Palmar, he can easily bullshit sounding like town". It's a bunch of abstract nonsense with no factual evidence attached to it. | ||
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I for one do not think this is some elaborate distancing scheme. | ||
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Reads like a bunch of egotistical circle-jerking around each other FMPOV. | ||
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And that has an explanation - he's busy. So I'd hope that people would be able to see why I, as someone unused to the players here, would not want to lynch Marv based on his activity. Right? | ||
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On October 12 2016 00:24 Koshi wrote: Well I would lynch into Palmar/marv which contains 99,5% scum but maybe I am just crazy. This is a possibility that should be considered. I am dubious of my ability to get Damdred/ Scott lynched, however. Two of the players are not voting while you/ JAT/ Palmar are never not going to vote for Palmar/ Marv. | ||
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Why is NU so low down on your reads list? That's a novel read. | ||
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On October 12 2016 01:20 NeverUnlucky wrote: Scott's last post is pure shit. I have to agree. I've stared at it and I'm not sure what he's actually getting at with half the things he says. | ||
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Scott seems like the best option tbh because I really can't see town motivation in his posts. | ||
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On October 12 2016 02:17 NeverUnlucky wrote: I apologize to those who are color blind by the way. Ok. Neither can I. What do you make of Marv's hesitation to give reads? More specifically, am I right to think that the post in which he talked about scott I quoted looked like a shy bus? I'm not sure if it's a bus. You posted a quote where he says the exact same thing about Damdred. His reads in general look hesitant and have WishyWashy Inc stamped on them. I am not convinced that it applies exclusively to Scott. | ||
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He is really phoning this one in, huh? | ||
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I hope it picks up again when I return :/ | ||
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Source: Was scum. | ||
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On October 12 2016 05:49 Koshi wrote: lol. No words. Just no words. Palmar actually knows how the game works. He actually can post thoughts on why people are mafia. Palmar scumread JAT the entire game. Give me 1 reason why he thought JAT was mafia. Palmar can influence a lynch by posting. He posted this game, he didn't influence shit. Palmar was the full town counterwagon to mafia filled town lynch. Your last two points are the most valid ones. I can't really hold the second one because I did that too...and so did every other JAT voter. | ||
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I don't scum-read Marv? I said this. If you mean Palmar then that wasn't a defense. | ||
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You said that nobody wanted to defend Scott. You weren't wrong. | ||
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Even when you had Scott on the line, the other scum will just switch votes at the last minute. | ||
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Christ. | ||
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Scott is scum. There is scum among JAT/ Damdred/ you because you three caused Palmar to die over Scott. Simple stuff. | ||
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He was obvious scum and still didn't die. | ||
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You're raging at the scum for doing their job. It's pointless. | ||
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It's pretty obvious. | ||
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Not that I am particularly bothered as long as he doesn't start calling people cunts or telling people to go kill themselves or some shit. | ||
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On October 12 2016 07:11 NeverUnlucky wrote: Raging is typical for me? This is literally the first time you see me doing that in a FM game (I did rage in a Skype mafia game where my town buddies were too fucking dumb to see how obvious scum DB and you were). If you’re bothered you can go ahead and cry about how your favorite food is water, dipshit. You know it's bad when you're literally quoting Duck. | ||
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This speaks for itself, my dude. | ||
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As it stands, I consider the game to be solved as well, so my interest in the game will drop rapidly. | ||
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Filter him if you wish. | ||
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Translation: You took the opportunity to get rid of a difficult mislynch when it was presented to you. | ||
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You can't fabricate a narrative where you are not scum. I don't blame you. Not everyone can be a fiction writer | ||
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On October 12 2016 08:20 NeverUnlucky wrote: I've 3 hours ahead of me, yeah. I won't be there at all tomorrow and probably for the rest of the game (game you got replaced by MattZed 1205). lmao | ||
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On October 12 2016 08:23 NeverUnlucky wrote: Anything that has Calix and Oats as scum I won't read. If you want more bants, you should check out 2164 again :') | ||
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lol sure | ||
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On October 12 2016 08:39 NeverUnlucky wrote: Interesting that that is what you have in the back of your mind with Calix's push. Reminds me of an unknown someone in WOM. "You can't scum-read me. You don't even have a red check on me!" :') | ||
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I for one will be going to sleep now. NU can have fun if JAT/ Scott decide to appear. Chances are that town will still lose anyway - it only takes one town fuck-up and it's all over - but it's not 100% hopeless. | ||
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Case in point, Koshi. End of discussion. | ||
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"Why would scum do X?" So they can use "why would we do X" as a defense for their obviously scummy actions, thus meaning they aren't held accountable for them. | ||
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I'm not seeing any legit defenses for how JAT/ Damdred are acting from a town perspective, just how their actions which they try to distance themselves away from don't make them scum. kk Simple stuff. | ||
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Not even getting into how calling for a vig-shot is not the high-risk mafia play you're painting it to be given that Vigilante is not a guaranteed role in the first place. | ||
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When you have a 22-page filter and you can remember a single post you made calling out Stutters and the like on Day 1, then yeah I am going to note that. | ||
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On October 13 2016 00:08 justanothertownie wrote: And if you think I would plan ahead for 4 days as mafia then you are even more insane. I'm clearly arguing that you planned out how you were going to treat Stutters/ Scott, not that you plotted on Day 1 for this very specific moment where Scott was almost-lynched. Plz | ||
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On October 13 2016 00:13 justanothertownie wrote: Who knows. You are assuming all kinds of nonsense right now. Ah yes, such nonsensical concepts such as "scum!JAT switched trains onto a mislynch at the last minute" Truly radical, ground-breaking ideas there. I sense this is just going to turn into shit-flinging so I'm off to run the errands. | ||
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On October 13 2016 05:17 NeverUnlucky wrote: Discuss 3295 and Jat and Scott. I've to go though. You're going to have to clarify that one for me. Bad timing, it seems. | ||
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On October 13 2016 05:23 NeverUnlucky wrote: dont bother figuring this one out, im probaly dead tonight do good without me marv damd scott imo Marv over JAT? Pfft. | ||
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Just saying. | ||
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So yeah | ||
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On October 15 2016 06:27 justanothertownie wrote: You were obvious town, involved pushed your targets. Basically everything a townie needs to be besides being right on your reads. Pretty good for a person that's new to the site. Since you were informed and you seem smart, what do you think I could have done better? (in general as well as in this game) | ||
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On October 15 2016 06:38 justanothertownie wrote: Well.... hard to tell. Maybe ask yourself a bit more if people are actually trying to solve the game/aren't only popping in from time to time to push their agenda? Because that is basically everything Koshi and oats did this game. Besides that totally awesome and game winning Palmar CFD Koshi initiated. Yeah, I should have pushed Oats harder after that horrendous Day 2 performance when he refused to explain his scum-read on you xD But that's just looking back retrospectively. Thanks for the advice | ||
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