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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 09 2016 19:10 GMT
#2641
On October 10 2016 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 04:09 Koshi wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:06 Koshi wrote:
Did you make your case on me already? Or did you realize you misread my post?

Not yet. I haven't misread anything. I'm just not sure whether trying to get people to lynch you tomorrow is a good idea when Palmar is so sure that Marv is mafia.

Well. You are wrong.

How can you be so sure? Maybe I'm just pretending to be mafia.

Maybe you are. But Palmar/Grack mafia is not something I believe in.
I had a good night of sleep.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 09 2016 19:12 GMT
#2642
On October 10 2016 04:10 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:09 Koshi wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:06 Koshi wrote:
Did you make your case on me already? Or did you realize you misread my post?

Not yet. I haven't misread anything. I'm just not sure whether trying to get people to lynch you tomorrow is a good idea when Palmar is so sure that Marv is mafia.

Well. You are wrong.

How can you be so sure? Maybe I'm just pretending to be mafia.

Maybe you are. But Palmar/Grack mafia is not something I believe in.

Me neither.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 09 2016 19:17 GMT
#2643
On October 10 2016 04:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 04:10 Koshi wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:09 Koshi wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:08 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:06 Koshi wrote:
Did you make your case on me already? Or did you realize you misread my post?

Not yet. I haven't misread anything. I'm just not sure whether trying to get people to lynch you tomorrow is a good idea when Palmar is so sure that Marv is mafia.

Well. You are wrong.

How can you be so sure? Maybe I'm just pretending to be mafia.

Maybe you are. But Palmar/Grack mafia is not something I believe in.

Me neither.

btw if you really really want to make a case. I suggest you make one on marv.
I had a good night of sleep.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 19:19 GMT
#2644
I am back. I have decided to take the game more seriously and properly sit down, take my time to think, write down my thoughts, and stop acting like a troll/retard.

I've just read through Koshi's whole filter in the perspective that he was scum. The only incriminating thing I found was that he at some point agreed with lynching Super and bats who were in his "never lynch" list and then blamed town for it both times. Other than that, I think he is clear.

Koshi, day 1 you theorized that JAT/Palmar was a possible scum-team. Do you still think that way?
On October 06 2016 02:58 Koshi wrote:
Ok. So let's not lynch into these names.
Calix, Koshi, Oats, NU, Superbia, Grack, Damdred, Marv, batsnacks

Who is left?
Palmar
justanothertownie
Holyflare
Stutters695

Pretty good stuff.


On October 06 2016 03:22 Koshi wrote:
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On October 06 2016 03:22 Calix wrote:
I think lynching among JAT/ HF/ batsnacks is way more likely to hit multiple scum. Better return.

You don't agree?

I think batsnacks is town and Palmar mafia.

Palmar/JAT is also very possible.








On October 10 2016 03:57 Koshi wrote:
Mafia team is within Oats/Palmar/Scott/Damdred. I would say Grack is mafia but probably not. Just pretending to be. Or maybe he is. Who knows?

Why isn't Jat here?

In your next post you say that DDD seems to have a clean filter, so you cleared him. Here's what you said about him day 1. (minor point)
On October 07 2016 16:59 Koshi wrote:
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On October 07 2016 13:31 Grackaroni wrote:
Writing a case for Damdred is harder than I thought.

There's the point that Bats made of Damdred primarily making a reads dump and very little questioning, which seems uncharacteristic.

I think a case could also be made that he's only willing to scum read weaker players that won't give him too much trouble. He mentioned HF in his initial reads post and backed off that very quickly.

Primarily I'm going to go with, "I have a lot of town reads and the feels are reals." Can you disprove my feels, Damdred?

Bats getting so much heat and little support also points towards Damdred mafia. The guy who gets lynched D1 often sits on mafia. I like it.


What makes you town-read him?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 09 2016 19:20 GMT
#2645
I was just about to ask the same thing to Koshi about Marv.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 19:25 GMT
#2646
After the NK is revealed, I think it is beneficial for town if Scott/DDD/Palmar/Jat/Oats is the cop to claim. This way we town-clear a foggy slot and scum cannot force a 1v1 in LyLo in the eventuality that we ML.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 09 2016 19:28 GMT
#2647
On October 08 2016 22:56 Koshi wrote:
↓ shitty post that explains nothing. Why did you push Calix over the entire day? Saying she is obvious town now doesn't explain why you thought she was mafia back then. Reading your filter there is not 1 single reason.
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 05:14 Palmar wrote:
On October 08 2016 04:02 marvellosity wrote:
i wish you guys had just gone along with me more on the palmar thing, because he had a half hour flurry of decent posts and now he's coasting on it because everyone went 'oooh that looked nice'. it's so dull

it isn't dull, it's correct.

You lack confidence, that points to you being mafia, but fuck it let's pretend you're not for a little bit for the sake of moving the game forward.

By lack of confidence, I mean your ridiculous emphasis on getting me to answer some completely tangential questions you have no need for to determine my alignment.

But if you must, the explanation is very simple. I wasn't very much around, I didn't think bats was scum and I'm not mafia. I tried to push for a Calix lynch, which I've now decided was retarded. At the deadline I was mad and only barely paying attention to the thread. I did explain my reasoning for voting HF, but in hindsight I was just being a moron and failed to catch what is a fairly obvious joke. I got mad and voted him.

Essentially, I got trolled.

Of course he started posting like a townie and making sense again, so I came around, also realizing that I was just being stupid. Someone said during that time that HF was scummy for pulling the "it was just a joke" defense, but whatever.


This is all wifom. Being able to convince a couple people you are town isn't hard. It's called buddying which you did while jumping on the Grack train running at JAT. Which was extremely opportunistic and lucky because it excused you from going after marv which you were waffling towards back then.
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On October 08 2016 05:18 Palmar wrote:
Like think of it from my point of view marv.

Let's assume you're town. From your point of view, you're afraid that I'm fooling all the peasants, but you and jat remain steadfast. I get it, you don't want to be one of the morons I just fooled.

But look at at it from my point of view. To me, I know I'm town, and I've just convinced a bunch of people I am town, to the point where some of them seem fairly convinced. Sure, some of them may be TMI, but all can't be. So do you not understand why it concerns me that the guy who is more often right on me than anyone else fails to do what people who know me far worse have done easily.

I am being completely reasonable here.

Even in Koshi's case his idea is that Marv is Palmar's scumbuddy.

Also on day1 he pushes Palmar because "he can't be this bad" while not holding Marv to the same standard.
On October 06 2016 03:15 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah I remember why Palmar is in my scumlist.
He wanted to kill both Calix and Grack in consecutive posts when they are obv town.

Now that I reread his filter he is 100% mafia on Calix the entire game. The guy is not this bad.

##vote Palmar


On October 06 2016 03:42 Koshi wrote:
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On October 06 2016 03:35 marvellosity wrote:
i'm on page 51 and the lynch on calix seems fine, gonna chill my vote on bats though.

good chance maf maf i suppose

Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 03:37 marvellosity wrote:
although now i'm preferring batsnacks more

i really think there's a much lower percentage of the time bats is town than calix

Really? You think there is a chance that Calix is mafia?

What about Palmar?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 19:30 GMT
#2648
Grack, do you realize that marv was mislynched by palmar (and myself to be honest) in his last game?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 09 2016 19:31 GMT
#2649
On October 10 2016 04:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Grack, do you realize that marv was mislynched by palmar (and myself to be honest) in his last game?

No. Which game was this?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 09 2016 19:32 GMT
#2650
Actually there seems to be quite a few Koshi contradictions right now. There's also the flailing from when I pushed him that I will go into later.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 09 2016 19:33 GMT
#2651
There was a time in which I thought it was possible that JAT/Palmar/marv were a scumteam.

JAT currently got 16 pages of filter and nothing in there makes me believe he is mafia. Like.. The worst post he made was downplaying some townreads 50 pages back. Since then.. Clean.

Marv I don't know. But I am not going to lynch him over Palmar at this point. Marv actually played the game and his first 20 posts were all really good. I could make a list but I don't see the point. I would always lynch Palmar first.
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 19:34 GMT
#2652
On October 10 2016 04:31 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 04:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Grack, do you realize that marv was mislynched by palmar (and myself to be honest) in his last game?

No. Which game was this?

The same game where the superbia stuff came from. Holyflare mafia.

If that didn't happen I would have probably lynched him already but it makes me very hesitant to call him mafia when his tone and content was alright while he was around.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 09 2016 19:36 GMT
#2653
On October 10 2016 04:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Actually there seems to be quite a few Koshi contradictions right now. There's also the flailing from when I pushed him that I will go into later.

Maybe you should stop repeating that shit and proof it.
I had a good night of sleep.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 09 2016 19:36 GMT
#2654
On October 10 2016 04:36 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 04:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Actually there seems to be quite a few Koshi contradictions right now. There's also the flailing from when I pushed him that I will go into later.

Maybe you should stop repeating that shit and proof it.

On October 10 2016 04:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Actually there seems to be quite a few Koshi contradictions right now. There's also the flailing from when I pushed him that I will go into later.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 09 2016 19:36 GMT
#2655
marv got misslynched recently? damn. Didn't know that.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 09 2016 19:37 GMT
#2656
On October 10 2016 04:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 04:36 Koshi wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Actually there seems to be quite a few Koshi contradictions right now. There's also the flailing from when I pushed him that I will go into later.

Maybe you should stop repeating that shit and proof it.

Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 04:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Actually there seems to be quite a few Koshi contradictions right now. There's also the flailing from when I pushed him that I will go into later.

Hilarious. Still. Not. True. Though.
I had a good night of sleep.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 09 2016 19:39 GMT
#2657
On October 10 2016 04:34 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 04:31 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Grack, do you realize that marv was mislynched by palmar (and myself to be honest) in his last game?

No. Which game was this?

The same game where the superbia stuff came from. Holyflare mafia.

If that didn't happen I would have probably lynched him already but it makes me very hesitant to call him mafia when his tone and content was alright while he was around.

Has Marv ever been caught as mafia for having a strange tone? Content has also been completely absent this game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
October 09 2016 19:40 GMT
#2658
And not in a "he has a short filter" way but in a "nothing he has said has had any effect over the game" way.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 09 2016 19:41 GMT
#2659
On October 10 2016 04:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 04:34 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:31 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Grack, do you realize that marv was mislynched by palmar (and myself to be honest) in his last game?

No. Which game was this?

The same game where the superbia stuff came from. Holyflare mafia.

If that didn't happen I would have probably lynched him already but it makes me very hesitant to call him mafia when his tone and content was alright while he was around.

Has Marv ever been caught as mafia for having a strange tone? Content has also been completely absent this game.

I caught him once but it was in the observer chat.
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
October 09 2016 19:42 GMT
#2660
On October 10 2016 04:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 04:34 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:31 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 10 2016 04:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Grack, do you realize that marv was mislynched by palmar (and myself to be honest) in his last game?

No. Which game was this?

The same game where the superbia stuff came from. Holyflare mafia.

If that didn't happen I would have probably lynched him already but it makes me very hesitant to call him mafia when his tone and content was alright while he was around.

Has Marv ever been caught as mafia for having a strange tone? Content has also been completely absent this game.

Yes, I would actually say that tone is by far the most important thing when reading him. His content is always good as mafia. If you are right on Palmar then he might have given up as mafia but keep it in mind. I thought it was impossible for me to mislynch him.
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