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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
October 07 2016 17:54 GMT
#2061
On the other hand I did not have that much of a problem with his content and he said he was sick. Maybe he will get replaced.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 07 2016 17:58 GMT
#2062
On October 08 2016 02:54 justanothertownie wrote:
On the other hand I did not have that much of a problem with his content and he said he was sick. Maybe he will get replaced.

Similarly, you said that Stutters would get modkilled if he was town (Or I think that was you...). Does him not being MKed but instead replaced make you feel he is town/scum or do you think that your previous argument was just bad?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
October 07 2016 18:08 GMT
#2063
Last post was about damdred still.
On October 08 2016 02:53 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Perhaps you would like to elaborate in a more concise fashion now?

If not, what is your opinion on Scott/Stutts? What is your opinion on my simili-filter-dive of that slot?

Also, I've seen you say that you "null-scum" read Calix. Care to go more in detail?

If there is any other subject of discussion you can come up with, I am all ears.

I will get to the effort-intensive part of this (superbia/calix) later at some point. I have some stuff to do soon. Like I said I will have more time tomorrow.

To the stutters slot:

I already said something about the early stutters part. I think those questions are all pretty pointless and considering how hours or more passed between them one would expect him to do something with it. Now that we know that he apparently had no time to play this game (which means something considering that he is a serial lurker) because he got replaced I don't know if you can put any weight in this though.

His part is therefore entirely null.

The only possibly interesting post scott made was the list and considering the fact that it is basically everything he had to say about the whole game so far it isn't very impressive. The reads are really only surface level or completely nonexistant like the calix one and the supposed reasoning reads more like a summary of what people did instead of a conclusion about it. Like you already mentioned they are also pretty much a summary of the thread sentiment.

This post alone is really not enough information to properly evaluate his alignment. Let's give him a day to settle in.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
October 07 2016 18:10 GMT
#2064
On October 08 2016 02:58 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 02:54 justanothertownie wrote:
On the other hand I did not have that much of a problem with his content and he said he was sick. Maybe he will get replaced.

Similarly, you said that Stutters would get modkilled if he was town (Or I think that was you...). Does him not being MKed but instead replaced make you feel he is town/scum or do you think that your previous argument was just bad?

Wasn't me. I was the one who said we should never bank on a modkill to get rid of a lurker but I never said him being modkilled or replaced had anything to do with his alignment. That is stupid.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
October 07 2016 18:13 GMT
#2065
On October 07 2016 12:43 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Hello, Scott. Did you do well on your test?

What made you lean town DDD?

What conclusion do you make with graxk? I assume null like super.

What makes you say that I have given a lot of info? It seems somewhat inaccurate to me.

Where did oats point out inconsistencies?

We have mostly similar reads, but i disagree with the reasoning you provide/dont think it matches who you describe.

Calix has a vagina btw.


I think I did well - but I won't get the results for another week or so.

I took my Network+ this Wednesday and passed that.

Yeah Grack is null too.

+ Show Spoiler [Oats post] +

On October 07 2016 17:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 05:57 Damdred wrote:
Besides bats spewing super I did think of one reason for super to be town but I think it's more fun to watch super squirm

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 06:03 Damdred wrote:
On October 05 2016 05:52 Superbia wrote:
On October 05 2016 05:50 Damdred wrote:
On October 05 2016 05:49 Superbia wrote:
Anyway I think:

NU/Calix/Marv are town.

JAT is pretty town.

Palmar is possibly town.
HF is possibly town.

Rest is all meh with bats taking the lowest slot.



Ho can you think bats is scum (at this point) but just have me meh with no real read given


I actually think you are on the low part of meh because of your very meh push on me, but I didn't have any real strong opinion. I.e. I also think Koshi is weird.

Need to evaluate more on that.


So your working theory is that I am potential scum with bats, because you were/are acting shady with almost no explanations.

And most of,the other people,who share opinions with me and mostly agree with my posts you town read?

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 06:08 Damdred wrote:
On October 05 2016 06:05 Superbia wrote:
On October 05 2016 06:03 Damdred wrote:
On October 05 2016 05:52 Superbia wrote:
On October 05 2016 05:50 Damdred wrote:
On October 05 2016 05:49 Superbia wrote:
Anyway I think:

NU/Calix/Marv are town.

JAT is pretty town.

Palmar is possibly town.
HF is possibly town.

Rest is all meh with bats taking the lowest slot.



Ho can you think bats is scum (at this point) but just have me meh with no real read given


I actually think you are on the low part of meh because of your very meh push on me, but I didn't have any real strong opinion. I.e. I also think Koshi is weird.

Need to evaluate more on that.


So your working theory is that I am potential scum with bats, because you were/are acting shady with almost no explanations.

And most of,the other people,who share opinions with me and mostly agree with my posts you town read?


No. My working theory is that I thought your push on me for the marv interaction was scummy (as it heavily assumed Marv was town out of nowhere) and that I need to evaluate more at some later point (pretty done for today). My working theory on snacks is that he's getting some light pressure put on him and posting a thesis on how I'm town.

No connection (yet!).


Marv is an obvious town read at that point for several reasons and most people should realize why and your pressure on him was shit tbh.

The push on you by everyone was warranted and still is to some degree.

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 06:28 Damdred wrote:
On October 05 2016 06:25 Superbia wrote:
On October 05 2016 06:21 Damdred wrote:
On October 05 2016 06:10 Superbia wrote:
On October 05 2016 06:08 Damdred wrote:
On October 05 2016 06:05 Superbia wrote:
On October 05 2016 06:03 Damdred wrote:
On October 05 2016 05:52 Superbia wrote:
On October 05 2016 05:50 Damdred wrote:
[quote]

Ho can you think bats is scum (at this point) but just have me meh with no real read given


I actually think you are on the low part of meh because of your very meh push on me, but I didn't have any real strong opinion. I.e. I also think Koshi is weird.

Need to evaluate more on that.


So your working theory is that I am potential scum with bats, because you were/are acting shady with almost no explanations.

And most of,the other people,who share opinions with me and mostly agree with my posts you town read?


No. My working theory is that I thought your push on me for the marv interaction was scummy (as it heavily assumed Marv was town out of nowhere) and that I need to evaluate more at some later point (pretty done for today). My working theory on snacks is that he's getting some light pressure put on him and posting a thesis on how I'm town.

No connection (yet!).


Marv is an obvious town read at that point for several reasons and most people should realize why and your pressure on him was shit tbh.

The push on you by everyone was warranted and still is to some degree.


Please succinctly explain how Marv (who is a decent player) is an easy read and should never receive any pressure.


That's dumb and you know it,

Is marv playing? If yes probably town
Is marv sassy? More than likely town
Palmar went after marv yes or no? If yes refer to one
Marv went after a hard to lynch person? Probably town


Honestly I don't like how you're locking into this read. I agree with the read but I am wary of the lack of uncertainty.


Yeah let's hope bats flips scum so I can ignore you for a cycle or two. Because you aren't making,g a lot of sense.

this sequence of posts is pretty weird by damdred, at first he seems to think that super is town but his attitude towards super in the following posts is pretty negative and suspicious and he doesnt end the conversation on a good note in terms of him thinking super is town. It definetely reads a lot more like he thinks super is scum rather than super is bad town which is contrary to his earlier posts.


Like here's a good example of Oats reading the thread and looking for inconsistencies. It makes me feel he's reading the thread and attempting to advance the game.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
October 07 2016 18:24 GMT
#2066
Oops something crashed at the office, I'll be back in a while
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 07 2016 18:26 GMT
#2067
I am really ambivalent on Jat at the moment. I am neither convinced he is town nor convinced he is scum.

Pros:
+ Show Spoiler [Pre-flip associations are bad bad bad…] +
I cannot think of a scumteam that makes sense for him with bats and HF dead.

Did not like Calix's 'case' on him (Maybe it's my distrust of her, idk)
Don't remember Plam nor Oats stating why they were voting for him ie indication of a bad train.
He is pugnacious.

Cons:
Seemed defensive
No town tone (To me that's a big one)

"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
October 07 2016 18:29 GMT
#2068
On October 08 2016 03:26 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I am really ambivalent on Jat at the moment. I am neither convinced he is town nor convinced he is scum.

Pros:
+ Show Spoiler [Pre-flip associations are bad bad bad…] +
I cannot think of a scumteam that makes sense for him with bats and HF dead.

Did not like Calix's 'case' on him (Maybe it's my distrust of her, idk)
Don't remember Plam nor Oats stating why they were voting for him ie indication of a bad train.
He is pugnacious.

Cons:
Seemed defensive
No town tone (To me that's a big one)


I can tell you right now that being defensive is not scum indicative for me and if you insist I can also prove this by showing you examples. There should be plenty of people who can confirm this too. Like marv/palmar for example.

Can't do anything about you disliking my tone.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
October 07 2016 18:31 GMT
#2069
afk for a while
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 07 2016 18:32 GMT
#2070
Are you town?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 07 2016 18:57 GMT
#2071
Palmar isn't being supertown despite his own proclamations, so i can basically conclude he's unable to give any reasonable explanation for his actions

i just don't care to have to battle really hard for something that's very simple. i have neither the time or the inclination (anymore)

most of the game is just other people asking people (e.g. me) to 'do things' as if that's doing something themselves. it isn't. no-one is actually doing anything.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 07 2016 18:59 GMT
#2072
and yes jat is right about the defensive thing.

which is why oats' post about me being defensive was incredibly stupid (so standard for him). I'm often incredibly defensive as town when people are suspicious of me and can spend a bazillion posts just defending myself, especially when the accusations aren't reasonable.

in this case there aren't even accusations for me to be upset about, mind you. just 'waa marv do more'
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 07 2016 18:59 GMT
#2073
just to clarify: jat is right that he is defensive (as both alignments). i then segued into talking about myself, because, y'know, me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 07 2016 19:02 GMT
#2074
i wish you guys had just gone along with me more on the palmar thing, because he had a half hour flurry of decent posts and now he's coasting on it because everyone went 'oooh that looked nice'. it's so dull
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 07 2016 19:04 GMT
#2075
On October 08 2016 00:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Woah, marv has 8 pages of filter. I can barely remember any of his posts. That's telling. May filter dive him later when I get some motivation to do so.

you have 13 and i think much the same. so de facto you're scummier. except i don't particularly think you are, so meh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 07 2016 19:06 GMT
#2076
On October 08 2016 03:57 marvellosity wrote:
most of the game is just other people asking people (e.g. me) to 'do things' as if that's doing something themselves. it isn't. no-one is actually doing anything.


That's my biggest FM pet peeve.

On October 08 2016 04:02 marvellosity wrote:
i wish you guys had just gone along with me more on the palmar thing, because he had a half hour flurry of decent posts and now he's coasting on it because everyone went 'oooh that looked nice'. it's so dull


:/

What is your Jat read?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 07 2016 19:06 GMT
#2077
On October 07 2016 18:57 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2016 18:46 Palmar wrote:
It jives rather well with what I've been thinking about this game.

Batsnacks sounded like a townie
Oats sounds like a townie
NU sounds like a special snowflake
Grack is not as funny as I would've thought he should be, but I do like him nonetheless, for now.

Superbia is being an ass, but he does that all the time as all alignments, don't think he's been overtly scummy. One of the big milestones today is going to be whether or not he realizes what is up. If he doesn't, he needs to be dropped very low on everyone's lists when I flip town. Superbia is smart, knows me well, and a good player in general. If he votes for me when I'm town, that's super concerning.

Damdred and Stutters are players I have completely ignored.

Marv is going to drop his vote on me. If he actually stays he's 100% mafia. He reads me better than any player in the history of TL mafia, he has basically a 100% rate on figuring my alignment by day 2 when he's town. If I ever flip town, and he is still calling me mafia, he is scum. there is NO WAY AROUND IT. Thing is, I also know that he knows exactly this. He CAN'T be wrong on me, so I know he's going to end up drop his vote on me today. Depending on whether I believe the reasoning there's a tiny chance I'm wrong. But the NK, his play, his lack of enthusiasm for some things and just some tonally weird things, all point to marv-mafia. Not to mention, both HF and I picked up a townie vibe from batsnacks, and marv completely failed to recognize it. He is better at town than both of us, and that is super concerning.

JAT/Koshi/Calix <--- Three strong players who have been atrociously wrong throughout the game. There is definitely town in this group, probably even two. Whichever ones of you are town need to pull head out of asses and start playing reasonably. It is very likely that one of the townies is Koshi, because him tunneling stupid things is kind of what he does as town, the other two are slightly better so who knows.

Regarding Calix specifically, my day 1 read of her is mostly tonal. She felt very analytical and willing to try to solve the game when she was town in the last game I was with her. This contrasts her more timid and reserved tone here. I am also slightly suspicious of how she could read me so well on day 1 (against all odds she was calling me town) and then dropped it with some complete bullshit reasoning on n1, that is worrying.


This is the first time I've seen you wall-post ever.

And the first half of your reads list isn't complete shite. You've finally managed to cross that extremely low threshold set for you.

[b]Marv isn't mafia[/b], go focus your efforts somewhere else instead of being a moron because of META. Maybe on Stutters-Scott/ Damdred instead.

I'm insulted that you think I'm on the same level as JAT based purely on ONE GAME. That's not even meta, that's just a random fucking game.

You continued to be useless and pretty much everyone else looks more townie than you due to said uselessness and two of my scum-reads were wrong, so I decided "well fuck him anyway" and now you're being slightly less useless so who knows.

you may or may not have explained this elsewhere, but why do you think this when so much of the game definitely thinks i could be?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 07 2016 19:06 GMT
#2078
well i failed that highlighting but the bit with the attempted bolds
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 07 2016 19:07 GMT
#2079
On October 08 2016 04:04 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 00:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Woah, marv has 8 pages of filter. I can barely remember any of his posts. That's telling. May filter dive him later when I get some motivation to do so.

you have 13 and i think much the same. so de facto you're scummier. except i don't particularly think you are, so meh.


Comparing yourself to others is a common thing for you, mmk.

Surely you remember my posts. Just think of Shitposts, Powerpuff Girls and "bad".
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 07 2016 19:08 GMT
#2080
On October 08 2016 04:06 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 03:57 marvellosity wrote:
most of the game is just other people asking people (e.g. me) to 'do things' as if that's doing something themselves. it isn't. no-one is actually doing anything.


That's my biggest FM pet peeve.

Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 04:02 marvellosity wrote:
i wish you guys had just gone along with me more on the palmar thing, because he had a half hour flurry of decent posts and now he's coasting on it because everyone went 'oooh that looked nice'. it's so dull


:/

What is your Jat read?

leaning town

it's pretty tricky to read him with reduced activity (and i guess the same goes for me, in days gone by i'd have at least double the filter by now)

but i don't particularly dislike anything he wrote, he's not unnecessarily prickly. i've seen quite a few posts criticising individual posts of his (e.g. by calix, probably others) but i didn't think any of them were really bad
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