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On September 06 2016 09:33 Tumblewood wrote: I say I won't sign up for another game for a while but we all know that's bs /in I keep getting the feeling you've been around here longer than you want us to believe, you seem oddly familiar with some players at times. Tinfoil maybe? | ||
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We are the Schluchtenscheisser | ||
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Before playing here, some players must go through the procedure of answering a few questions designed to establish their general ability to answer questions and assess their abilities. Shapelog amusingly tried to mimic this procedure in an attempt to take a jib at me (and most likely at you). Rels does the security checks for newcomers. Most of these questions are designed to perfection the game of mafia. I will consult with kitaman afterwards who is the head of the database department and is developing an automated behaviour processing system with the help of Palmar who is the assistant who codes words per post algorithms and similar minor things. Let's start: 1. There are two guardians, one by each door. One guardian always tells the truth, and the other guardian always lies. What one question can you ask a guardian to find out which door leads to heaven? 2. If you would be an animal, what would you be? 3. If I posted this post in game, what would you think my alignment was? 4. What's the size of your ego expressed in football fields? You may choose to express it in bathtubs if you so wish. 5. Think about the colour red for 10 seconds. Then name a tool. | ||
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On September 09 2016 06:01 Skynx wrote: First yo Let me guess you want a free TR now? | ||
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On September 09 2016 06:16 Skynx wrote: That would be much appreciated yeah Post reads first | ||
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On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote: It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following: - Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears. - There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented. - We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch) Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised. Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought. Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. | ||
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On September 09 2016 06:46 Tictock wrote: Aw shucks, my streak of rolling town has come to an end. Guess I wont be posting much so I don't accidentally give you guys info. Is this some shitty attempt at getting easy townreads by replicating trfels opener from last game? | ||
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On September 09 2016 06:55 Calix wrote: I mean activity, yeah. My point says we shouldn't rely too much on LWs but that establishing good communication with the dead is important. While that's not some profound insight, there are clearly ideas being expressed here. What are you even referring to with the bolded part? Because it bears no resemblance to anything I said. "suggesting not to lynch" - No, I said we shouldn't rush into a lynch or policy-lynch early on. Nowhere did I imply that we shouldn't lynch. (which isn't even possible, lol) "benefit of the doubt" - No I don't. Just because I'm new to the site doesn't mean I'm clueless. What do you mean with "we should establish a way for dead townies to communicate" then? Cause to me it reads exactly like "we should do stuff" without having an idea of how to implement such a feat. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:05 Calix wrote: I just suggested a way in which Sheriffs could communicate their results to the town by saying "they can get around the no-names rule by using post numbers" which is literally giving a suggestion as to how we communicate with the dead. Using the correct pronouns is not a scum tell and never will be. You just used it yourself in your last line because it's a common word in the English language. Also seriously? You are aware that I moved to a different site to get AWAY from crappy meta reads and the first thing you do is give me shit via a crappy meta read? But that's about your first point, not the second one. Which makes it look to me like your second one might as well not be there. Proceeding with the dissection: There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. -> yes, but what's the point of saying this. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much -> And yet you suggest a plan that seems to deem them important. but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented. -> Cause scum can manipulate LW, you want LW to be reliable communication? These two statements don't mesh together. Why? Cause scum can manipulate LW, no LWs are reliable. Main point being: I found your second point there to just be fluff. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:35 Calix wrote: No, moron. I'm not going to waste my time on 'convincing' you that I'm town. Nothing you said holds any weight. Go figure that I can't get a break from people scum-reading me for the worst reasons. In any case, pretty sure you are town given your fixation on this 'scum tell' of mine. By all means continue to waste time asking 20 questions though until you wise the fuck up. You'll fit right in here! | ||
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I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented. To make it very simple (since the discussion might seem like we're trying to split atoms here), look at this quote, and tell me why it's good that we have a way of communication BECAUSE scum can manipulate. It just doesn't make sense. There is no causality. Whether you have a way of communication or not, it's not going to influence the manipulation. So I concluded that this looks like text put in here for the sake of putting something in there. | ||
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NeverUnlucky is town cause he supported me pressuring Calix, and caused a little fight there (you'll fit right in too!). TickTock and fuba probs deserve a vote for fucking off right after posting, when the thread must have looked pretty busy already. Shape is shape. | ||
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I'd have felt better about the post if I just had gotten back as answer "alright it's fluffy but I wanted to talk about setup so it's obvious that it's going to be fluffy" instead of her defending the points she made so rabidly (for example in fear of looking bad if not able to defend them). It's early enough for me to still chill and force silent people to post without having to jump into tunnels, so I'll just judge calix based on other stuff as well, but this will definitely be an argument should I decide for myself that she's mafia. | ||
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On September 09 2016 17:32 Superbia wrote: Oh fuck me. Lynched towns get to be vigi? Fuck this game lmao. On September 09 2016 17:46 Superbia wrote: I think lynching town d1 is super good to create a benevolent spirit. He also forgot what he said 15 minutes earlier. Bleh. Not a fan of this what I think could be strategic spam. I employed something similar in my scum game, just with more condensed posts. Coincidentally starts the game having the same reads as HF, but doesn't talk about HF. Calls Grack mafia on the go, then asks Calix a question about Never even though he's the guy she talked about the most and he's not within his range of suspects (TW, TT, Grack). Seems like a random question, or wants Calix to talk about the one she obviously has a strong opinion on already. On September 09 2016 20:41 Superbia wrote: Is he prone to be abrasive and yet form no actual opinion on someone? He calls TW 'lynchbait', which suggests he is TRing him, but nothing suggests he is reaching any actual conclusion. Seems weird to put seemingly that much energy/emotion into something but reach no real conclusion. This is one of the most misused arguments on the forum. Calling somebody lynch bait doesn't equal calling him town. It just means he's lynch bait. It's like he's trying to get Calix to scumread Never, but he isn't scumreading him either. On September 09 2016 21:27 Superbia wrote: Rofl this game has the potential to be amazing. Both HF and Palmar seem to be town. We'll see.  They seem pretty null to me. HF opens like that as any alignment. Palmar only did some setup speculation. Super could just be handing out a few easy townreads to potentially dangerous players here. Super can get lynched if he so badly wants to, I'm down. | ||
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Had to laugh when he said "rip tl mafia" after waiting for 10 minutes for a reply though. The restlessness is real. | ||
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On September 09 2016 23:27 Superbia wrote: Vivax is your read on me OMGUS-based? Seems like you went to pour over my filter for possible scummy things after I called you scum. Am I right here? I don't respond to claims whether I'm omgusing or not. It's just an easy way for you to discredit my points, which all still stand and your blanket statement that they're incorrect is not going to change anything about that. | ||
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Cause that's what TT said too, who could also be mafia. On September 09 2016 09:51 Tictock wrote: Contrast to Skynx here First to post, been around, fucks off without saying anything and right about when things start happening. TT feels like he's imitating players from last game (trfel, Palmar). so far But certainly I don't see anything that looks forced like HF claims. Not really a fan of that wagon, while fuba is. But maybe fuba just doesn't know the context of the scum claim and the argument on skynx. And TT isn't that stupid to not expect people from last game to notice. | ||
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- Spammed the early game up with the stream thingy cause it tends to get people townread, got sloppy about it for the sake of spamming and made the mistake about the roles. - While having a circle of suspects of TW/TT/Grack, the best question that comes to his mind for Calix is about NeverU, literally the guy calix talked about the most so far. Any other question could have been more productive. Calix opinion on NeverU was already fairly obvious from earlier convos. - That question wasn't related to superbias current circle of suspects -> ergo it was just a question to appear active, get people to talk about what they want to talk. And on top of it, it was a question easy for Calix to answer given that her opinion on NU is probably the most fleshed out in the game. - One point that isn't as important to me, but still relevant: The fact he had the same early scumreads as HF but somehow didn't relate to what HF wrote about them, or talked about HFs posts on them. This usually wouldn't be a problem if superbia actually brought up points of his own that seemed better to him than HFs points, but since I don't really see anything explaining why TT is mafia, this isn't the case. On September 09 2016 22:03 Superbia wrote: They're both in this game. I have been inclined to group them together though I believe this has been covered by Calix before. TW's read on TT seemed non-existent and kind of forced. Plus he was willing to ignore your push on him because of 'paranoia'. Felt awkward. Like "look at how townie-paranoid I am" while not committing to anything. This is the reason superbia believes them to be suspect. It looks entirely based on TWs read on TT. You tell me if that's a good reason. | ||
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On September 10 2016 00:13 Palmar wrote: I disagree Vivax. I think all your points are dumb. Try reading them, gramps | ||
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On September 10 2016 00:21 Superbia wrote: Btw vivax pls consider that half the thread has the same scum team as the one I put down. You think they all town or wut "We all think the same, we can't all be mafia, ergo I'm not mafia?" Just worded in a less obvious way by using the inverse. | ||
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On September 10 2016 00:44 Tumblewood wrote: after r1h mafia I do not trust vivax to make a good case at all. not that I did before, but I'm more in the interest of voting the opposite of whatever he's saying I got killed, you got lynched. Get on my level. | ||
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Yea that's a really shoddy read. On top of it, it can never be right to make such a call on someone like you. So far I don't see much novelty from Skynx, he's just piling up on the popular targets TT/TW and seems to TR almost everyone who goes after them or was involved in early game. | ||
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On September 10 2016 01:02 Calix wrote: Vivax, if you had to pick two scum-reads and two town-reads, who would you pick? And why? (for the scum-reads at least) You and NU feel like most townie to me right now ironically. Not really anyone else I wanna call town yet, maybe Damdred but not really ticking it in until he posts more. Grack goes to temporary townpile just for drawing a paint pic. Super I think is the sneakster mafia this game, the why is explained exhaustively. Everyone else is nullish/could be mafia/maybe not. I'm not making a call on TT or TW yet. | ||
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On September 09 2016 21:32 fuba wrote: This was the one thing that really stood out to me from last night. He seems to be, at best, town reading TW and at worst, accidentally admitting he knows TW is town. I'm willing to trust calix's meta knowledge atm though. Would revisit him if something crazy happens or TW does end up flipping town. In any case, ticktock not returning after dinner last night makes me feel even better about my vote. This is probably his best post content wise and still, it makes his filter appear lacking. He seems to have a strong opinion about Calix being town, so it kinda bothers me he doesn't have one on me, being in the club of people pushing her for the early fluff. He just seems overall content to sit on the wagon and chitchat a bit. And overall he's one of the more forgettable players so far. Probs not a surefire way of telling he's scum, but enough for the usually shitty D1 lynch. Then I see this post tho [QUOTE]On September 09 2016 09:22 fuba wrote: [QUOTE]On September 09 2016 08:17 Vivax wrote: The calix issue for me is that she was so intent on proceeding to splitting atoms with me when I pointed it out. I'd have felt better about the post if I just had gotten back as answer "alright it's fluffy but I wanted to talk about setup so it's obvious that it's going to be fluffy" instead of her defending the points she made so rabidly (for example in fear of And he actually believed the point on Cali was good. His opinion must have changed in between, that's a given. Or he forgot about his claimed read when it was still a thing in the thread to suspect calix. Either way, not much followup on this post read wise. | ||
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On September 09 2016 09:22 fuba wrote: Actually a good point, may have to reexamine your argument when I get out of class. And I've used my 2 15 minute break to at least say something about the game (regardless of how minimal it is). Not sure I fit with anyone who's trolled or called everyone boring and skipped off. EBWOP, fubas post: (My net is so slow it didn't fully load the quote lol) | ||
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The most interesting thing that stuck out to me so far is probs that TW didn't call you out for doing association based reads like he did with me last game. Maybe he did, need to dive. Your argument is that TW, TT, Grack all interacted with each other in a way that suggests they're a team if I'm not mistaken. Next step would be to see if TW jumps on that cause I lynched him with a similar argument last game. I'm also a person who tends to connect dots to catch mafia at some point, sadly with excessive fantasy sometimes, but when scum flips it can be surprisingly effective. Before... Meh. It feels great to pursue that line of thinking but it can backfire. | ||
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Ya he did, replying to superbia who was the one initially posting that. Don't really see HF having an opinion on Tumble either when claiming he's lynch bait. And looking at NU's filter I don't see him claiming TW is lynch bait either? Am I missing the post? | ||
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Ergo, I'm right and they're both scummy fuckers | ||
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I'd like to see an explaining for why he's town that doesn't include something like his activity which is his filter being made up by 50 % his name and site layout and 50 % actual post content while "trying to break the setup" (bitch please). | ||
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Besides he can do that with a lot of people, even if he just hinted at thinking they might be mafia. He claims I posted for the sake of posting at the beginning of the game yet didn't mention examples or pushed me for it. Good at spamming the thread with irrelevant content, bad at actually doing stuff, in a scummy way. Attacks at him get deflected with jokes/omgus/asking the thread if he should bother. | ||
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On September 10 2016 04:40 NeverUnlucky wrote: Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share. I don't see anything wrong about this? Isn't she allowed to have a few reads that are the same as yours? Or to change her mind? Doesn't really seem like a reason to be suspicious of anything to me. I'm glad somebody else sees that fuba is playing very timidly to say the least. On top of it he attacked you with superbia for calling TW lynch bait, but not HF. Seems especially strange cause you were more vocal about the opinion on TW. | ||
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On September 10 2016 00:13 Vivax wrote: A simple summary/caselet of scummy shit superbia did: - Spammed the early game up with the stream thingy cause it tends to get people townread, got sloppy about it for the sake of spamming and made the mistake about the roles. - While having a circle of suspects of TW/TT/Grack, the best question that comes to his mind for Calix is about NeverU, literally the guy calix talked about the most so far. Any other question could have been more productive. Calix opinion on NeverU was already fairly obvious from earlier convos. - That question wasn't related to superbias current circle of suspects -> ergo it was just a question to appear active, get people to talk about what they want to talk. And on top of it, it was a question easy for Calix to answer given that her opinion on NU is probably the most fleshed out in the game. - One point that isn't as important to me, but still relevant: The fact he had the same early scumreads as HF but somehow didn't relate to what HF wrote about them, or talked about HFs posts on them. This usually wouldn't be a problem if superbia actually brought up points of his own that seemed better to him than HFs points, but since I don't really see anything explaining why TT is mafia, this isn't the case. This is the reason superbia believes them to be suspect. It looks entirely based on TWs read on TT. You tell me if that's a good reason. | ||
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On September 10 2016 05:22 Damdred wrote: So, hi. I have destroyed my phone by accidentally flushing it down the toilet. So going to,be kinda not here as much until I get a new one. Will attempt to,catch up and make hf sheep me or sheep hf. Or lynch hf. Also three options possible (love you buddy) lol congratulations. Why so fixated on HF? Lynching him D1 is courageous to say the least, and sheeping him as well. | ||
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On September 10 2016 04:22 Skynx wrote: What do you mean? His entire filter has like no content at all he has been around, had time to react on stuff. You saying we should just ignore all that and tr him cuz it fits his meta? This man speaks the truth. A wagon on Palmar is something we need at some point if we want him to do anything at all. Preferably today, or monday. He won't do stuff until he's in danger of being lynched. If he keeps posting like this I won't be able to make a call on his alignment, cause right now he certainly didn't post enough. On September 10 2016 04:20 Tumblewood wrote: idk who that is. I think hf's points on tt are mostly blown out of proportion if that's what you mean. posts are created faster than I can read and post about them all so until 2:15ish (pst) I can't really do that ok only seven games means you can probably be read by the tells I use for newbies, which leads me to call you town will be back soon (TM) Agree with the bolded. TTs opener was shitty, but I don't see how the rest of his filter is forced. He certainly doesn't deserve a townread, but neither a scumread as of yet. He should definitely post more. I found TT to be an easy-ish townread once he started getting involved. For HF it doesn't mean much cause he opens aggressively in every game. If anyone ate that bait it was probably superbia, but his opinion on TT wasn't fleshed out in my memory. I got the feeling he was just comfy with HFs opinion, in a world where HF is town. Then proceeded to scumread TW by association (something about TWs read on TT not being townish iirc). The overall feeling was that he just inserted himself along with HF somewhat pretending he doesn't exist. | ||
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On September 10 2016 06:22 Tumblewood wrote: oh yeah and add fuba to that circle. both of you site newbies should stop voting him because he is probably town Start explaining why then, put it in relation to the points I brought up. Other than fuba is cool and a joke about him being scum there is no info about it your filter. And what's that lazy TL meta nonsense I just spotted? Lies and slander. | ||
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On September 10 2016 06:26 fuba wrote: HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip. How is this not obvious? FYI Tumble is not lynch bait. When he started playing around here he was perfectly capable of concise , informative posts with lists and reasoning and stuff, and he was jailkeeper a while back and got NKd N1. Not lynched. Not sure why he's started to go into wobbly land with his posting, but when he posts differently than in those games it's never a bad call to lynch him. And what does this have to do with you bitching about NU for using that term but not finding it suspicious in the slightest in HF? Is there any particular wording I missed that NU used that makes it more worth noticing? | ||
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On September 10 2016 06:33 Damdred wrote: Hf is probably the biggest voice/push in general that people generally sheep. Its preferable I get him sorted early and see if I agree with him vivax. Do you not agree? My policy with HF is to leave him on the backfire early game then decide later about his alignment. I'd only sheep him D1 in rare cases, and lynch him D1 in no cases. Need to make sure the thread is nice, orderly and with not too much information flying around constantly to start any arguments with him, should one decide to go for his lynch. @ Tumble What happened to your read on NU? Is there anything in particular that made you go from waffling on him to including him in your town list? | ||
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HF is invited to fight me over this. | ||
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And your reasoning on him is really shoddy as well. "Superbia has not done something that would make him town, but I don't think he's scum, hence he's a slight townlean". Wut? At least give us another reason for you believing he's town, even if it's something unimpressive. | ||
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It's a response that seemed reasonable, but that's it. In the context of him actually scumreading TW, I don't see how you reach the conclusion that he's mafia for calling him lynch bait in whatever way. I assume you think he spewed him town there having TMI? Important question. | ||
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On September 10 2016 07:08 fuba wrote: I'm gonna come up with an analogy that will explain my current thought process about this eventually. To answer your question, I didn't originally think so, but since I was brought up, and I started to think about it more closely, yes. From my perspective, the only way UN could see TW as lynchbait is if he knows he's town. This is what I wanted to hear. Cause you pointed him spewing TW town at a time when you were scumreading TW, which makes it in my opinion a very unlikely thought to come to your mind when reading NUs post. Or explained differently. If you're holding the belief that TW is scum, you wouldn't hold the belief that somebody just scumslipped that he's town. Which is one more reason you're a good lynch ! | ||
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On September 10 2016 07:17 Damdred wrote: This looks like a town post, 5 points to anyone who can say why. Cause he's phone posting while you lost yours and only a dick would remind you of that? | ||
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I'm still open to a super lynch (where might he be) if any of you want to endorse this. Otherwise I'll vote TT who still didn't post for like an entire day, feels coinflippy though. I'll need to check something. | ||
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Damdred adds to HF's points that his entrance was forced, that TT lurks as scum. As for fuba I have no clue what his reasons for voting TT are. The closest I got was this. Where he says to check his post above, but in that post he's adressing NUs posts. So still no clue what fubas reason for the vote on TT are. On page 1 he spends more time talking about TW than TT whom he's voting. If anyone has any idea what fuba is voting TT for, enlighten me. His biggish posts are townie but that might be wall of text bias. On September 10 2016 08:50 fuba wrote: And before anyone mentions it, I am still voting for TT right now. If my post above didn't convince anyone, then I'm not going to have the impetus today and tomorrow to push it through. Scum NU doesn't eliminate scum TT as far as I can remember. I work tomorrow from 8am-4pm, which is the deadline. I may be able to pop in about 3-4 hours before that for a few minutes, but will be otherwise unavailable. | ||
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On September 11 2016 02:58 Skynx wrote: I still have to catchup but putting aside the reads, two main pointers in my mind: 1) Why is everyone except above ignoring Palmar being underwhelming? 2) Why is guys quoted bit more above sheep Holyflare and do nothing else? A bit of Palmar meta. Palmar can be an ass. He's unpredictable. Some games he tries, some games he openly doesn't give a fuck. He absolutely hates being vigged, and thinks that not getting lynched is one of towns first tasks. IE in the case he's playing his not give a fuck style, you get a wagon on him going and he's going to be forced to play. If he still doesn't care, you keep lynching. Not on weekends though cause he does stuff with his family (for example playing mafia with kids, he's already breeding the next generation of tl mafia players). Btw fuba nice ninja. | ||
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I have no clue if TT is mafia or not., simply cause besides his shitty wifomy early posts, there's not anything I find forced or otherwise AI. Either way anyone can jump on him without repercussions apparently. Just like Palmar and super did. I don't like that one bit. If you're just as sceptical as I am about piling up on TT for inactivity as I am, go for super. If you really think his posts were forced, feel free to use that as a reason. And regarding the activity argument: I think I've seen him being active as mafia before. Don't know the game, just that rayn was pushing him and I was town and thought he was town for biggish posts. Maybe one of the storm mafias dunno. | ||
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On September 11 2016 04:55 Tumblewood wrote: yo calix, Damdred's meta D1 as town is to try and form a town circle (and to a lesser extent all game). he is also a valuable townie because that is a useful strategy. His scum play has become really good. I won't lynch him D1 by default but I'm certainly still open to the idea of him being mafia. If he actually lynched mafia at some point ahead that would make things easier. HF and Palmar are roughly in the same category. The idea of the town circle is only as good as the town circle itself, so don't really see any grounds for this being a reason to TR Damdred. | ||
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Why don't you just head for another lynch Grack? Marv isn't this game, so the worst case scenario is that your reads get flushed down the drain in the name of british patriotism in a HF vs Calix showdown. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:31 Tumblewood wrote: oh yeah I'm stupid if Hf gets lynched he's shooting tt actually that sounds like a win-win Tbh this sounds like you're spewing HF town.. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:34 Skynx wrote: GODDAMIT GUYS CAN WE SHENNANIE PLZ? Sure, go to superbia. 1) he did scummy shit 2) Palmar thinks he's #1 town, so he's most likely not. Then, he votes TW early on, forgets about it when he comes back to vote TT like I predicted. For further details, refer to the points in my cases, cba to repeat myself thrice. | ||
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The whole post sounds like "oh it's fine that HF is a mislynch he's going to shoot TT anyway lul". | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:47 Superbia wrote: The only reason why TT could be town is because too many shitty people have been defending him. Names of people please. Only Calix comes to mind spontaneously. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:53 Superbia wrote: TW? Idk maybe it's only Calix. TW's mafia read on TT feels to half-assed. That deserves the name "so many shitty people?" Needless hyperbole in your posts noted | ||
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So many games are filled with this shitty types of wifomy discussion related to singular events that it has just become boring. On top of it, it allows people to post a shitton of filler that doesn't tell us anything. Stick to traditional scumhunting thanks. People who played with me in guardians of the galaxy should know about this. Can't wait until last wills get posted and the spirit votes get casted, half the thread will be wasting pages on arguing whether it's fake or not and what it means for their reads. | ||
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Figure out HF, figure out the game can start now. I'm starting to get the feeling he's mafia. When I pointed out TTs opener looking shitty D1, HF popped up with an entire case that felt stretched to me and probably most others (except super I think ). At EoD when the "scumslip" by TW happened, HF at first decides if it's a slip. At some point around the flip TW is firmly in his scum team. Just something I noted for now, but could easily be scumHF not missing any opportunity to assume and further instigate thread sentiment on some players. It just seems to fit too well. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:52 Palmar wrote: quiet boy instead of being shithead, switch with me. step back please, I'm going to do science. I'd like to see what the science was. No one actually voting TW after the slip might have led Palmar to some conclusions as well. I'm not sure I buy he doesn't have any just cause nobody followed him, so at least let's hear the hypothetical version "what if somebody actually fueled a TT counterwagon", what would Palmar's conclusions have been on people following or not following him. | ||
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On September 12 2016 00:36 Calix wrote: Vivax, let me know when you've finished catching up or whatever you're doing. Just shoot I'm reading wherever my interest takes me, not really catching up besides still having to sift through the stuff shape posted. | ||
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On September 12 2016 05:39 Holyflare wrote: ALSO I don't like vivax's posts but I haven't read them either but when I skim I dislike all of it. ALSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Also vivax why have you let damdred be there saying tt's mafia meta is to afk when you just saw him afk as town? make him answer this shit Wut? He said it before the lynch, he then flipped town, so Damdred's meta turned out to be wrong. Why should I jump on somebody just for being wrong? The meta was legit, but turned out shitty. I might as well jump on anyone else for being on TT. But it was a solid lynch. I'm more concerned that I spotted the same pattern adopted on TT being used by you, but it's a big picture thing, and Damdred wasn't nearly as hyperbole as you on TT, or TW now. | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:08 Holyflare wrote: are you for fucking real? you were just in a game where ticktock afkd for almost 72 hours and was town, how was Damdred's meta legit?? The one you were scum in and tried to make me scumread TT and never succeeded? He was townie enough in that game, whether he afkd for a phase or not (ie nothing like this game). Only included him as possible mafia in obs cuz lazy. Anyway went through Calixs latest scumreads. Damdred, TW, and fuba apparently. Maybe myself as well, not sure. If it's Damdred and TW the game would be kinda easy given. Don't really want to be played by one liners that look passionate. | ||
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I still want to believe I had good arguments on superbia.Don't really want to be played by one liners that look passionate. | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:24 Tumblewood wrote: calix was alive mafia submitted a kill for calix now calix is dead that's my opinion on the kill. This might be the bestest opinion on the matter. Or maybe it's only your opinion cause you're one of her scumreads. Never done NK analysis in any game of mafia? | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:21 Damdred wrote: Calix was a good player, but a bad kill at this point imo unless they were medic dodging shooting someone like palmar or hf. And as far as I know it was just super who thought calix was scum,bit he hasn't,been,back. Only benevolent spirits can medic, Calix is now the only benevolent spirit. I'm wondering if you're posting this to pretend you're townslipping, cause the setup really isn't that complex, bro. | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:38 Skynx wrote: HF you're irish catholic right? No he's a modernist amish | ||
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I don't live in Vienna I live close to Innsbruck in a place of high society tourism hillbillies | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:41 Skynx wrote: Just trying to figure who's the jew. You're 70 years too late for that | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:45 Skynx wrote: Wow you're attempting a racist joke on 9/11? Wasn't intended to be racist omg don't pull that card thanks. Whoever wrote that message might as well not have enacted Godwins law posting it, and I'm a sucker for black humour. | ||
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If we enact more of these fascist policies we get to shoot Palmar, who I think could be Hitler, and outright win this game. Curse that last will for making me think all of this. | ||
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You realize that anybody who knows how you play scum and has an idea of how to play against it will never get pulled into the endless spiral of arguments you are capable of generating? I already answered your stuff about Damdred and you didn't take much notice of it so enough answers for the time being. Will take another look at TW however. | ||
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On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote: there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it. other people: vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful. Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment On September 10 2016 06:46 Tumblewood wrote: grack is not as impressive as I once remembered him. demoted from probable town to null superbia has 6 pages so I am skimming and although he hasn't said anything smart yet I don't think he is scum. still see no reason to townread him though so slight townlean This looks pretty bad and it stuck out to me almost immediately reading his filter now. Cause the reasoning he applies to shape fits for superbia like a pair of dutch wood sandals. Except superbia had like 6 pages of setup spec that looked like he was having a seizure like some nutso genius a la rainman (even tho I didn't really buy it cause it didn't yield the same results as for a nutso genius). I'd define this as "not being faithful towards his own reasons for reads". But don't really want to call him scum just for this when there's the chance we have a scumHF on the loose. | ||
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On September 12 2016 07:19 Holyflare wrote: all I see is tumblewood town reads, pathetic mafia play Nha he could be mafia, but after the beating you handed down last game (which wasn't hard admit it) you are on the TLSA watch list this game. And TW got lynched that game as well. If I repeated that course of events twice in a row I'd feel really idiotic. | ||
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On September 12 2016 07:53 NeverUnlucky wrote: Hmm, why would he talk about a cone-hat (Shapelog's avatar), Vienna (Vivax is Austrian), and Puleum (Plamar reference?) then? He said I'm forcing town to wear dunce caps I think. More or less saying that anyone listening to me is an idiot. I think | ||
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I didn't see any reason that HF exaggerating his sureness was indicative of the case being bad. Though iirc he later mentions that he no longer had a scum read (or maybe it was just a weaker scum read? Would have to look it up) on tt and was lynching for information at that point. That bugs me.Mostly because I'm not sure how much reasonably confident information we got from the lynch. Maybe that'll come to me when I reread EoD. 1. Is bolded true? 2. Do you think this post is scummy? 3. Do you think this would ever be able to reach a correct conclusion as to your alignment and this player would believe he could? 4. Once you find out who posted this (you may now), why does he mention you in this way after stating another intention in writing this? A few more would come to mind but that'd be an assault on your attention span. I answered to your Damdred stuff, manus manum lavat. | ||
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On September 11 2016 23:46 fuba wrote: Morning. Got a few minutes before work. To answer NU's questions (paraphrasing, on my phone): Why did I vote for tt? The narrative HF originally laid out made sense to me, and then tt disappearing after it just reinforced it. At the end of the day, I could still see scum behaving as he had, so my vote didn't change. I didn't see any reason that HF exaggerating his sureness was indicative of the case being bad. Though iirc he later mentions that he no longer had a scum read (or maybe it was just a weaker scum read? Would have to look it up) on tt and was lynching for information at that point. That bugs me. Mostly because I'm not sure how much reasonably confident information we got from the lynch. Maybe that'll come to me when I reread EoD. Who are my scum reads? I'll have to get back to you on that one. My two yesterday were you and tt, which is more that I usually have d1 XD. One was proven wrong, the other I'm currently believing is town. Have to dive some filters and probably reread EoD to develop some more. I also have some thoughts on TW that are almost completely unrelated to this game, and actually take place in an obs QT for another game that he wasn't in as far as I remember, but there are similarities to this game and I was wondering what other people's thoughts were on it. In one of my previous town games I made a case on a suspected scum being town. In the obs QT, it was declared that I was town for doing so by most people present, even if they were unsure of me before. Does anyone feel that this could apply to TW in this game? I could try to find the game, but would have to wait until a few hours after start of day. [The thoughts on TW are really uninformative. The argument is that anyone defending town with a case could be town, I don't even get if he's talking about TW defending Calix or TT, and fuba doesn't check it out, doesn't relate to TW's posts and mention examples of this being the case somewhere, he just puts the question out there where it will continue to not bear any fruits. This looks like a prime example of an uncontributive post being buffed with lots of words. Also it's weird he thinks finding the game will change anything about people's reads about TW] On one hand, I understand that scum have an easy time town reading people (if they're town) because they know they're town. They know it's from a town perspective because everything has to be. On the other, why defend a high content poster once the thread starts swinging slightly against them if your goal is to get them killed? The ability to defend town is greater, but the reason for doing it seems far less so. I know that these scenarios assume tw scum and calix town, but I'm leaving out the possibility that they're both scum because that would be a hard defense of a scum buddy. Which I guess could happen, but it doesn't feel likely? The scenario feels like either both town or one scum. [Another part that looks big but doesn't say anything. You're never going to get information speculating if somebody defending town was scum. Scum can do a bit of both in a game of a lot of players. He concludes...nothing, as expected of trying to reach a conclusion from wifom. His only goal I could see here is to slap a wall of words instead of simply saying "TW + Calix feel like T+T or T+S"] I needed to ask because it'll be on my mind until it's resolved (think NU's lynchbait comment). On September 12 2016 11:51 fuba wrote: Unfortunately, I need to focus on schoolwork tonight. After class tomorrow, I don't work for 4 days, so my availability should open up. I'm glad I stopped tunneling you NU, I really liked your last few posts. The stuff about a TW lynch feeling a lot like the TT lynch was exactly what I was thinking at the moment. At least as it pertains to HF. Not saying it makes him scummy, it just has the exact same feeling to it. And if you want my response to the calix NK, it's generally that very few conclusions can be drawn. That's not to say I have no ideas about why it was done, but there's no way to narrow it down from 50 possibilities to even a reasonable fraction of them, so I'm not gonna throw my speculation out there XD Was gonna call vivax out for trying to get HF to fight his battles for him, but I reread his filter really quick and it actually seems like his read on me has been fluctuating pretty reasonably all game. Incorrect whenever he thinks I'm scum, but I can see the thought behind it, and I think I can remember the approximate timing of most of the posts and I can understand them. He doesn't really push too hard, but at least I think I can see a townie thought process. Also, without having reread any cases on anyone, so many of TW's posts feel like posts that I make or have made as town that I have trouble really seeing him as scum. He seems better able to let himself post freely, regardless of the consequences, than I do, but I feel some kind of "bad townie" (for lack of a better term) kinship. Oh, and I really, really wouldn't rely too much on the ghosts or speculation about it. Like, anyone who knows scott shadowed HF or whatever could have set up that little code. Scum can control the LW and scum can control the votes. I don't want to lose because we trust in something we know that scum will try to use against us. Yay townreads! Scum will come once I have the time to reread more filters XD (should be around the second half of D2 :S) This post is mostly just here to see if he actually did any of the things he promised in the previous post which doesn't seem like he did. His NU scumread turned to town for his latest posts. Ok. What about the famous game he talked about? What about EoD and HF changing reads on TT? No delivery. Fuba mostly just talks a lot to say very little. Which doesn't surprise me cause he just pops in occasionally with probably great pressure to look super contributive, but since he's actually doing very little, he fluffs up the posts like a pro. I think we should lynch him before we lynch TW cause TW at least shows some degree of consistent presence whereas fuba is under the radar 90 % and when he shows up he throws up a post that only really talks about irrelevant stuff in an overly worded way. 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On September 11 2016 07:17 Superbia wrote: I think that town list may be too generous. I have no idea on grac/fuba. Cal is mafia pending re-read. This post is also puzzling as fuck. Superbia townreads HF a few posts earlier for mirroring his thoughts. Has no idea on grack fuba. That leaves Calix, whom he was scumreading, and NU, whom he TR earlier + Show Spoiler + On September 11 2016 06:48 Superbia wrote: Did you have both me and Vivax as townreads? Someone needs to check at some point. Tbf I just think you're town, never a lynch target, and on the wrong side of the argument. Yet it's "too generous". Super can only think it's too generous for himself and Calix being in it? He has no idea about fuba and Grack. Overall it's a strange way to reply to such a list in such a way when you compare this to his reads. A question "why is calix town, why fuba and grack" would have appeared way more natural. He's clearly thinking Damdred is town here, but his followup isn't "here is why I think calix is mafia take a look at it Damdred", he's perfectly content with the reply from Damdred about his fuba + grack reads. On September 11 2016 07:19 Superbia wrote: Can't be bothered atm dude, sorry. I'll need to actually read into his past posts and meta as well, as I have no actual idea how the guy plays mafia. What stinks to me is that super, should he legitimately be figuring out Damdred here, or actually pushing that scumread, shouldn't just be so happy to let that argument be that way without any reference to Calix whatsoever in the course of it. He just abandons it with the reply about fuba + grack, slaps down a maybe/maybe not Damdred townread, and leaves. That his scumread died doesn't really seem to mix him up much besides commenting on it being a shit kill (why?). | ||
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On September 13 2016 00:54 Holyflare wrote: I actually don't hate a vivax case, must be a bus. Are you calling me mafia? | ||
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On September 11 2016 22:16 Skynx wrote: Let's say I got a train on to Super and some people followed me we kill him instead of someone who hasn't posted for 36 hours. I would be the kill almost 100% of the time D2. You are intentionally wrong sir. I also don't get what skynx is saying here. Is he saying that if he lynched super successfully he'd have been lynched 100 % D2? Or NKd? And that's his reason for ending up on TT? | ||
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On September 13 2016 01:15 Holyflare wrote: I'm saying i don't hate one of your cases so it must be a bus can't you read? You even quoted my post. You mean you're bussing fuba cause otherwise you wouldn't like my case? Alright. If you really want to give me a hand try to turn this into a case game (for the rest of the players) cause a lot of the discussion so far is people randomly throwing reads out there I feel, which you claimed to hate. | ||
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On September 13 2016 01:21 NeverUnlucky wrote: Vivax, where were you going when you said that nobody was trying to figure out my alignment at this point? General consensus seems to be that you're town, which I agree with. | ||
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It's upsetting that superbia is getting free TRs left and right when anyone looking at his posts should realize they are really low quality, shallow posts. Looks like only TW is stepping aside and considering him which buys him this day at the very least. It's not hard to do what super does and inflate filter by posting in three lines what might as well have been in a single post. He doesn't look at new things between his posts a lot of the time, he just randomly splits its content many times. Just to quote one example: On September 11 2016 07:15 Superbia wrote: I.e. it's all super wifom. On September 11 2016 07:15 Superbia wrote: Everything is wifom He's also playing a very reactive game where he's rather going to get hung up on something somebody else posted and take a dump on it (for the good or the bad, as long as he has something to talk about). Skimming the filter trying to find any instance of him going back, rereading something and displaying conclusions along with the appropriate quotes, it-just-doesn't-happen, while it would be scumhunting 101. He should know that he can't shape any opinion to fit his objectives with the way he's playing if he was town, and he's a capable town player usually. | ||
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I am inclined to townread HF cause he looks genuinely interested into solving the game, but the best I can do is give him more time and hold back the paranoia cause he's just too good as scum. I'd like to townread shapelog cause the fuba stuff started jumping to me when I found the energy to actually read his posts (which still ended up being only his last filter page and some from the early game) and he mentioned fubas flip floppy post parts, but it also felt like he was casually throwing suspicion at me at some points which seemed out of character. But other than this his early posts seemed townie to me. I'd like to townread skynx cause he picked up on stuff that really showed he was paying attention to tiny details, but I need some stuff cleared up first, starting with the one I posted above. Most tempted to throw him into the townpile next. These are my only townreads to semi-townreads this game. Kinda sad I can't put Damdred in here. Anyway it's the reason this game feels like a huge knot, it's super hard to go by PoE. | ||
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On September 13 2016 01:42 NeverUnlucky wrote: Vivax, who would the third scum be in your world? Fuba/Superbia/[?] Do you believe in a full scum lurking team? Anyone who isn't in my townish pile is a possibility. I don't think you can call superbias play lurking either. But the fact that you call him a lurker when he has 12 whopping pages of filter should tell you what the effects of his posting style are on your perception (that he seems active while he isn't). | ||
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On September 13 2016 02:02 Superbia wrote: Vivax I rly do not understand how you are still so tunneled on me. Imo my eod was p decent and my push during the night pretty townie. I would think that there are at least a dozen targets you could look at before me I advise you just ignore the accusations for now and proceed to comment on the other targets, you're not the only guy I'm talking about today. Read stuff on fuba for example. YOu asked a while back "whats your opinion on fuba" or something, I post arguments for him being mafia and yet now you are only self-centered on what concerns you. That's not helping your cause. | ||
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On September 13 2016 03:57 Palmar wrote: I like new and improved Vivax And fuba? And super who's one of your top town reads? | ||
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So am I posting for consistency or being inconsistent? I can't be both. When I talk about consistence I don't refer to a single aspect of it. Your presence is less consistent than TW means you are around fewer times (frequence would be a better term), but you can still be consistent with the content you post. I don't see how that's relevant either way, and how one could apply consistency to you as an entire person like you demand here. . You say I'm posting under intense pressure to look contributive, but there has been almost none on me the entire game (a fact that I've already mentioned I find strange). Scum is under more pressure to not get caught, there doesn't need to be actual pressure for you to feel it. If you feel it without any reason to it's more likely you're scum, town has more of an idgaf attitude. It's funny that in the same post, you point out how no one wants to know my thoughts on something that happened in the thread in the past while at the same time pointing out how I'm not telling everyone all my thoughts from things in the past. Yes cause you promised them and instead of talking about NU you could talk about how you feel your previous points aren't important enough to look up any more like you did when I posted this. My guess is as town you would be more confident to post less content and be more concise. You'd post your opinions without necessarily seeing the need to make examples and promising to deliver them later. You'd quote more stuff from the thread and not be as self-centered in your arguments (for example the town-case-on-scummy-player-cause-I-did-once=town-stuff.) Mostly I'm looking forward to see how you play when you claim to have more time. But remember that if you just play like I suggest you would as town, it won't mean you're suddenly town. Just show me how you play like you feel you want to play. | ||
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On September 14 2016 00:47 Damdred wrote: He's been pretty lackluster today and doesn't have his usual gung ho and seems to not care about pushing hi a scum read so far. Lies and slander, I've been here playing the game the way it's meant to be played while only HF and maybe some other dude was around to do discussion. What happened to your Shape scumread or you liking my posts? | ||
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On September 14 2016 00:37 Damdred wrote: I think there are close to four lock town people (outside myself) I think vivax, tw, sky are all decent votes. Fuba in not sure I'm could be but I'm not sure he feels like he is giving us what we want rather than what he thinks at points. Not sure you even read my case, then your opinion should be more fleshed out than this. | ||
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On September 14 2016 00:58 Superbia wrote: If we can get a Vivax/Damdred fight that'd be pretty good for me. Ftfy I'm still lynching fuba probably, cause that line where you said "I was the first to point him out" really smells like you're trying to bag cred before a flip. On September 13 2016 16:02 Superbia wrote: Me? Still need to read his filter. Do keep in mind that I was yhe one who drew attention to him Yes and when you did and I posted an argument you didn't notice it at all? Why are you even drawing attention to him? | ||
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On September 14 2016 01:06 Superbia wrote: You think Damdred is town then? If we can get you two to fight then we get more info. TvT vs TvS or SvS etc. Because no one was really talking about fuba. He got by d1 super easily. I've been talking about fuba long before you drew attention to him which sounded just like an apologetic post to HF for you skipping over my case. | ||
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Going to take a closer look at Damdred, just gut wise he has been appearing scummier than when he was mafia in his last games (which would mean he's town) . This game feels like one of the games where everyone relies on tone reading people and when somebody (read:I) goes for post analysis it's rejected as irrelevant. Remember the me vs you vs yamato lylo damdred? | ||
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If your reads keep being wrong and you don't die in the night we will have a score to settle, you and I. Trying to be buds with me feels out of character you usually just ignore me or tell someone why I'm town, and then you never sound so praising (except when I'm smurfing and you don't know it's Vivax behind the name). On September 11 2016 01:54 Damdred wrote: It's cause I'm town and the scum team is scared of me. Boo. Also think palmar might be town rip the dream. On September 11 2016 03:14 Damdred wrote: Palmar can have a date with the noose Monday but not really going to consider him on a weekend and that's the main reason. This led me to check on Palmar, cause it's the only thing I could find in Damdred so far that seems unexplained. His other reads seem set in stone except the one on Palmar here. Then I see the post where he says "remember your place peon" (lol) and proceeds to coach the guy, so I just think he's town, for that and for gut. Mafia Damdred is nice guy Damdred/fake anger Damdred. I also don't think he would randomly put my name out there for scum if he were mafia. He'd be more comfy just tring me all the time. In other words, I think mafia is still super/fuba + shape/palmar/HF if alive for too long. Shape especially has dropped off a lot activity wise and if anyone is going to shenanny, shenanny on shape. I'll join you if I make it, at least one of the unreadables will be gone. Don't really have much else to add on him. | ||
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Turned out that upon a complete reevaluation (which one should always do at lylo) Damdreds D1 was plastered with posts that just didn't reflect the point of view he should have had with his reads at the time. He was +1ing posts that had reads completely different from his, but otherwise "sounded" townie, also cause he had some rl issues and whenever he posted he was considered a hero for finding the power. Anyway the moral of the story is: Tone, fine on D1. Past that, screw tone, focus on content. So do me a favour and read the points on fuba + super, and cast a vote before I have to go. And I'd advise against sheeping the fuba/Palmar/TW trio. | ||
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Fuba is a read magnet when it comes to his posts. It feels like lots of people think he's town but keep calling his posts bad. If neither fuba nor super are happening I'm voting Shape. Not going to sit on solely my own wagon this time. | ||
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On September 14 2016 05:17 Holyflare wrote: Scott did nothing i asked for so it has been manipulated Why? | ||
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On September 14 2016 05:20 Superbia wrote: So master players Palmar and HF are town? Where's the paranoia? They're on skynx and Damdred idk dunno wtf you are referring to. If this was a half assed attempt at calling me mafia for voting with them it failed miserably. | ||
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On September 14 2016 05:20 Holyflare wrote: Wtf do you mean why? I left a message for scott since he left a message for me and it's not what I asked for. I am not aware of such a thing. | ||
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What if he doesn't think damdred is mafia? All this vote bullshit is wifom anyway I literally don't care about the vote I care about shape being the person I want to lynch next if we don't get super or fuba. You can wifom ride all you want it's not going to save him from me. The leeway time for my regular game buds is over. His first page is fear mongering on me all the time without ever calling me mafia. He spends an entire post discussing how a guide to reading him by rsoultin is wrong, in answer to Damdred. He spent the post arguing against Damdred that his TR on shape is wrong, basically. I'm still trying to figure out if there's more. The best thing I can think of in his defense is that he pointed out how fuba was flip floppy on some points. But otherwise I'm really unimpressed by shape this game, he loves to motivate town with youtube vids as well as town which is lacking this moment. He usually also is a much more constant presence. Not this in and out shape. And then there's the PoE, I'm certainly not ending on a wagon that HF/fuba/Palmar/super were on first, besides that I don't think Damdred and Skynx are our best lynches for today. | ||
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On September 14 2016 05:41 Holyflare wrote: He totally let the tt lynch happen and let damdred lie about tt meta and not correct him and I can't remember what he replied when i called him out but it was bad it was basically : Damdred says tt mafia meta is to afk Vivax agrees despite seeing tt afk in star wars as town I call out vivax and he spouts nonsense Quote all of your claims or it's invalid. And you better hurry cause if there's no base for thinking what you're claiming you're mafia HF. Just putting unconfirmed stuff out there cause you're trying to start a swingy wagon onto me. | ||
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On September 14 2016 05:45 Palmar wrote: Vivax do you honestly still think there's a chance I'm scum? Yea town Palmar never tries to please me. I don't see why you would stop thinking I'm retarded for no reason if not to try to pocket me. | ||
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On September 14 2016 05:54 Palmar wrote: I literally called you retarded like 10 minutes ago. After I pointed out the above. A strange coincidence | ||
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On September 14 2016 05:57 Holyflare wrote: ##unvote ##vote Shapelog scumclaim by HF | ||
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On September 14 2016 05:22 Holyflare wrote: Vengeful voting shape which is manipulated On September 14 2016 05:29 Holyflare wrote: You're voting with a manipulated vote and expect to be town read? On September 14 2016 05:32 Holyflare wrote: Vivax ignoring manipulated votes and actual posts in the game noted. On September 14 2016 05:47 Holyflare wrote: I hate 1/3 of shapes filter but i don't hate the other 2/3 is the problem On September 14 2016 05:57 Holyflare wrote: ##unvote ##vote Shapelog Case: - HF attacks me voting Shape for the VS vote. - Slowly realizing shape is in danger of being lynched, he actually reads his filter (first time?). Shitty defense. - When enough pressure built up, the bus ensued after he spent the entire day trying to murder other people. | ||
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On September 14 2016 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Basically my reasons were entirely yolo. No idea why I'm the first person to be cased though You tried to scum me for voting Shapelog that's why. Add superbia to those people. | ||
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On September 14 2016 19:38 Palmar wrote: Yeah no we're not killing superbia Yes, yes we are. | ||
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I didn't see any reason not to just lynch HF today back at night start, I don't see any today. The case stands just ignore him kicking and screaming. If HF flips town I'll reconsider but there's no way I'll vote anyone other than HF today. Just sheep for an easy day 3. | ||
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I'll respond to other people, not to you. Today is literally just getting past all your kicking and screaming and find the balls to keep the wagon on you on track no matter how many new arguments you drill from the ground. You can do that all day we both know it. | ||
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On September 14 2016 06:14 Vivax wrote: Case: - HF attacks me voting Shape for the VS vote. - Slowly realizing shape is in danger of being lynched, he actually reads his filter (first time?). Shitty defense. - When enough pressure built up, the bus ensued after he spent the entire day trying to murder other people. If you really want to do NK analysis, here's what Skynx got iced for cause HF was confident that Tumble would be easy to manipulate. On September 15 2016 03:09 Skynx wrote: Vivax is also right about HF with the voting the manipulated ghost stuff thingy, HF is prolly scum. Basically he's bussing, he never had an opinion on Shape, he called ghost vote on Shape bullshit, he voted me as his top sr then said he voted mafia (shape) when he didn't need to. Try to fit that in a town mindset plz ty. If you think I bussed Shape in that situation, read again. I was set on voting him even before the vote HF dismissed as a scum vote appeared (which is one of the arguments HF is using). You have to play the game and actually read it. I'm already spoonfeeding you enough arguments, and once you go back and see it's all true, you can make the right decision. Trust me who was townie all game long and lynched mafia, or trust one of the top mafia players on this site who defended shape by attacking me and then ended up voting him. That's all you need. Nothing else is required to lynch HF. You find one mistake, and you push him for it, which I did already. This game is lynch HF, lynch superbia, win. I don't even want to try and attempt at looking elsewhere while he's alive. That's just pointless distraction, it cost me the Palmar push in star wars he was supporting for lulz. | ||
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Never vote NU, TW, me who were the purest votes on shape (HF just bussed to not look like shite, Damdred voted to save himself but I'm still assuming he's town). Lynch everything else until no scum is left. We have like 3 lynches left and maybe protection in the night. Saul Goodman. | ||
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On September 16 2016 05:01 Holyflare wrote: you're literally saying my mistake is voting mafia I don't even understand your logic On September 15 2016 11:10 Holyflare wrote: I'm not the one being town read for voting on shape in fact it's quite the opposite. I also eliminated like my biggest scum read after proving his logic was trash. I never mentioned Shapelog despite my propensity to hard bus team mates but then decided to bus him for no reason to look awful voting with scum reads. These are all my tactics that earn me best mafia player? Looks like trash inconsistencies to me. If your defense is only that you would have pushed him "harder", I rest my case. It means nothing that you voted mafia at the point you did. You just caught a whiff of the thread sentiment switching towards the shape vote, thread sentiment I fueled. | ||
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On September 16 2016 05:08 Holyflare wrote: Either way maybe you should reread my case because it's actually quite a deep flaw in your Shape read. He was your town read, he gave you your biggest scum read on fuba, nothing changed other than 0 posts and he suddenly became your lynch choice when people were piling on damdred, it didn't make sense when damdred was also your scum read. It looked like your team mate was afk and you wanted to not be on a potentially town damdred wagon and decided to just make up bull shit to be on him to look good later Damdred was my scum read? He was in nullish pile all the time I decided to give it a go at TRing him EoD and all my reasoning is laid out. Stop inventing things it's pitiful | ||
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What matters is why you would do that as town. Why did you vote Shape after everything in your posts suggested that you wouldn't? You spent all that time arguing that it was a manipulated vote, why did you follow it? Try reversing your reasoning there instead of using the defensive one. | ||
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And with this, I pass the ball to the other players and will reply to them instead which is a much more productive approach. | ||
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You sounded convinced that the vote was manipulated though. That doesn't appear in your reasoning, it was the only fucking reason you were on my ass HF. And it's the reason you don't care about in the slightest when explaining your vote on Shape. | ||
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You're not townie for vomiting posts continuously, it didn't make you town in star wars either when we were talking in the thread solo for 70 % of the game. I've learned my lesson it's time the rest learns it too. | ||
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If you're 100 % sure it was a wifom vote, cause apparently you are 100 % sure it wasn't scott's vote, then you are also aware that mafia was trying to frame shape as town. | ||
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On September 16 2016 05:58 Holyflare wrote: How can you not believe it was manipulated when the last will said what scott was doing? That's one of your possible interpretations, not other people's as far as I'm aware. Either way it was all just speculation I never gave a shit about scotts LW after the initial reaction. It was a fun addition to the game but not relevant at all, still. For you it was like the holy grail you then proceeded to despoil against all the principles you were calling me scum for. It's not hard for you to write up a good sounding reason afterwards for why you did what you did. What matters is, it happened. Tomorrow is the day HF. I'm off praying that this day town is not going to be retarded. | ||
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I've seen some people concerned over my read on fuba but I stopped caring about it the moment I realized that we have to kill HF. He's convinced he can just talk me into unscumreading him, or talk you into lynching me should I not desist from this read. He said the NK incriminated me cause I didn't die, while he just killed a guy who would have supported his lynch and my opinion 100 %. Me and Damdred are the mislynches, superbia and HF are the mafia (notice how HF asked superbia a few token questions about his EoD shapelog read today), and they split votes now for appereance and will reunite them later either on me or on Damdred. Fuba I don't care about in the slightest now cause superbia and HF have already shown that they are a team at EoD last day when I voted shape. I'll grab what I mean. Cause the voting pattern is the same as D1. - Super D1 silently agrees with HF on TT, finds an own bullshit reason to switch to TW. - Later switches to TT with HF. - Super D3 silently agrees with HF on me, finds an own bullshit reason to vote Damdred instead. - Later will switch to me with HF (probably) I've already mentioned the stuff from D1 earlier. Now I repeat it just cause it repeats itself. | ||
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On September 09 2016 21:54 Superbia wrote: Is there a world in which TW and TT are both town? Seems verryyy unlikely. On September 09 2016 22:03 Superbia wrote: They're both in this game. I have been inclined to group them together though I believe this has been covered by Calix before. TW's read on TT seemed non-existent and kind of forced. Plus he was willing to ignore your push on him because of 'paranoia'. Felt awkward. Like "look at how townie-paranoid I am" while not committing to anything. Today: On September 16 2016 23:37 Superbia wrote: Actually I am letting my ego get in the way. It is strictly better to support a relevant wagon After a series of posts where he's 100 % convinced I'm mafia. He instead bends over and takes a majority sausage, when there still is a realistic chance that I get lynched, but he doesn't want to fight for it for shit. He will just drop his vote on the biggest wagon that shows itself when we're close to deadline. This way, he yet managed to not look like he was pushing the same target as HF all along. Same strat as D1. | ||
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On September 14 2016 05:30 Superbia wrote: Now please kindly take 2m to talk about how the VS' vote is the one most likely to be influenced by mafia. If you check around the time of this post. HF and super both try to get shape townread by arguing all the time about the VS vote, without actually having balls and calling shape town for it. They will say "why should we talk about a manipulated vote being alignment indicative at all?". The real question is: If the vote wasn't alignment indicative, why do they waste all the time talking about it? And call me suspicious for voting Shape? There's also this thing where HF says "Vote /m11 if Damdred is mafia" as a message to scott. When he votes outside /m11, why does HF assume the vote is manipulated, and not simply that Damdred isn't mafia? Plus HF's sudden change of reads on Damdred to have his bullshit reason to bus shape when it becomes evident. Here's HF's reads pre-deadline: On September 14 2016 04:25 Holyflare wrote: I don't actually have an opinion on him he's underwhelming but he doesn't seem to give a shit which is confusing and slightly towny. Probably because I haven't read his filter even though I was supposed to, oops. On September 14 2016 04:37 Holyflare wrote: I don't care I'm killing sky because i read his filter. On September 14 2016 05:50 Holyflare wrote: Is it weird that i don't really give a shit about any of these wagons dying? Probably not. On September 14 2016 05:55 Holyflare wrote: I think damdred is town On September 14 2016 05:59 Holyflare wrote: Mafia voting damdred gg On September 14 2016 06:13 Holyflare wrote: Nobody is confirmed unless damdred is town which i dunno about Anyway afk So when it suits him, Damdred becomes town 5 min pre EoD so he gets a quick reason to bus shape. Before, while he still had a chance at changing sentiment, he pushed me and skynx who both voted Shape. When it's out of his hand, he adapts and votes shape cause he claims Damdred is town. And once the lynch is done, Damdred goes back to the mislynch pile and he doesn't know about him. | ||
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GOT HIS SCUM READ FUBA FROM SHAPELOG. Nope I suspected fuba before, but when I dived Shape's latest page, I noticed that he raised good points on fuba, I looked at fuba's post in question and pointed out everything that made him suspicious to me. I'm sure fuba remembers so he can confirm. Which by now isn't really relevant cause as you see Shape tried to paint him scum (mehish argument, scum can always bus), and more importantly, I have reason to assume fuba is town cause I'm sure you and fuba are the mafia. And your next misrep attempt goes into the trash. | ||
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On September 17 2016 05:54 Damdred wrote: Yeah I don't want to vote with fuba even if it kills me. That flip flop makes 0 sense in any progression. Hf hammer me if you have to but yrah Cause he read my posts probably, but he can answer for himself. | ||
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On September 16 2016 00:43 Holyflare wrote: I hope I've baited vivax enough. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MK4dLOR.gif) Turned out to be a shit lynch, but still, I regret nothing. A great weight fell off of my chest now. And that explains why superbia was hard aligning with HF all game long. The next phase I just need to figure out the other one. I'm even a little proud of myself that I lynched HF, whether I was wrong or not  Gonna put in some work tomorrow before I probably get delivered to obs land to suffer his tantrums. | ||
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If he actually wanted to look good, he should have partaken in discussion in time before the lynch and attempted to shape it in accordance with his interests. Either way it looks like I have to revisit that townread on him. And figure out what the last will means. | ||
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The HF lynch was a good lynch as he wasn't one of those pushing for the shape lynch. This is the only reason I can think of for NU to flip his reads like that as he doesn't know what HF is capable of, yet. | ||
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On September 18 2016 01:52 fuba wrote: Idle thought before getting to work (I'll respond to you damdred when I have my break, though it's not even all that much of a progression of thought than a paranoid shit show XD): Might the nks have been not because they were townies who were right, but actually townies who were wrong? We now know hf was town, so naturally scum would want a vig shot in the hands of someone who had hf as 100% scum. What if the nks are an attempt to guide vig shots while eliminating vocal townies in their own right? lynched=vig, killed=doc | ||
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Quick recap of why we are lynching Palmar, for myself at least: - Didn't do shit besides giving me a good laugh during the HF lynch. Damdred 100 % mafia or something is also to be found at times, which doesn't make him appear as convinced as he pretends to be. - Didn't get killed by mafia or by HF or both. (if it's the work of good spirits, then good work, not). - Tried to suck up to me in some posts. Don't shenanny. I'm doing more scumhunting legwork tomorrow when I'm rested. | ||
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