[M][T] Haunted Mansion 3

On September 06 2016 18:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Only 10 pages of filter on D1 this time?

On September 09 2016 17:03 Grackaroni wrote:

Ok scum

On September 09 2016 17:49 Palmar wrote:

Little do you know that I'm not going to read the thread

On September 09 2016 17:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Sorry Superbs. You aren't townie enough to get lynched yet. You're going to have to prove that you're town in case we accidentally lynch a mafia.

On September 03 2016 07:58 Rels wrote:
Alignment check: each night that followed the creation of a new vengeful spirit, that spirit can check one player. He will learn if his target is town or mafia.

On September 09 2016 18:28 Grackaroni wrote:
Mafia don't become vengeful/benevolent. The idea strategy is just to try to lynch mafia.

On September 09 2016 18:54 Superbia wrote:
Wait fuck.

I thought that scum could only use their spectral abilities once they're dead. But reading it now it means that they can use either.*

On September 09 2016 18:53 Palmar wrote:
Also, if we're killing a townie on day 1 and thus letting him do nothing for the rest of the game, I propose myself. We have a weekend coming up so I'm not going to do jack this game until monday anyway, might as well do the check.

On September 09 2016 19:05 Palmar wrote:
I assume you can't KP while you check? or both?

also I guess I'm reading the OP.

On September 09 2016 19:12 Palmar wrote:
Oh I get it

yeah your plan is bad and you should feel bad.

Necromancer basically invalidates all vengeful spirit checks for day2 and day3. On day4 the vengeful spirit check becomes reliable.

Day 1 there is no vengeful spirit check.

Day 2, if we killed a townie day 1, there is a vengeful spirit check, but the vengeful spirit cannot communicate his results to the town because the only way to communicate for the VS is to stick a vote that will appear 1h before the deadline on their target (and hell, if VS gets a green check that's also gonna be rough to work around, I suppose we could designate a "this guy looks town" and if the vote is on him it means the VS got a green?). However, the Necromancer overwrites the vote on day 2, controlling where the VS vote ends up.

Day 3, same as day 2, unless the necro decides not to use his thing, which would probably be stupid. It's probably best for scum to just use that ability to limit town information as long as possible.

Day 4 in theory the necro's 2 shot ability is gone, so finally now you can semi-safely assume that if the VS votes someone, the VS have a red check. And if we haven't killed any mafia by then we're in lylo so w/e.

On September 09 2016 19:20 Palmar wrote:

No, you get 1 kp throughout the game... I think?

On September 09 2016 20:17 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Do they get two checks though? The way I understood it is the Ghosts are 'one slot'. They collectively have 1 check/night, not 1 check/ghost.

On September 09 2016 20:26 Calix wrote:
Yo. Doesn't look like much happened. What I got was:

- Superbia is really townie given his setup-spec talk and stream-of-consciousness style posting and I don't see scum ever entering the thread like that. Also I agree with the reads he's posted. Palmar's flippancy is also kinda town although that might just be his personality. He wasn't amazingly involved in the setup talk but the way the conversation progressed made me feel good about him.

- Don't like Grackaroni. It feels like he's just hanging on the sidelines; he wasn't very involved in the discussion and most of the posts I read while catching up seemed like he was posting for the sake of looking active. Like there were a lot of places where he could have posted something substantial and he just made some joke comment instead.

- I don't like Tumblewood still.



I'll take "avoiding the main points being raised against me" for £200, Alex.

Add a dose of unnecessary off-topic whining about Teh N00bs. Oh noes.

That last line is really scummy. It's the classic "oh I'll give lip service to lynching X scummy person but then I'll give some bullshit excuse to not follow up on it" scum tactic when the scum feel compelled to talk about their scummy partners but don't actually want to bus them - there is literally NO reason to not vote for Ticktock at this point in time. Paranoia isn't a logical excuse - wouldn't you want to clarify your suspicions by pressuring Ticktock? Why is no-voting better exactly?

- The only point of Holyflare's that I find compelling is Ticktock's contradiction ("I find setup spec boring, here's some setup spec") since it makes his point look like filler. Everything else is just background noise compared to that point imo.

tl;dr: Grackaroni/ Tumblewood/ Ticktock are my scum-reads and the fact that they are low-key defending each other just makes me feel more confident that lynching among these three is the best option.

On September 09 2016 20:37 Calix wrote:


I have.

He's a scrub but he's town. He's more proactive and abrasive compared to his scum play. He gets mislynched a lot given he's presumptuous, arrogant, prone to trolling, has poor persuasion abilities, etc, so I am not surprised that he's under some suspicion.

I am also 99% sure that he's read like, one or two past games on this site and that's why he's acting like he knows what everyone's meta is. Recently, he read one of my scum games from five months ago and now thinks he's an expert. That's how he rolls.

On September 09 2016 20:50 Calix wrote:


Oh wait, forgot to add. He is prone to hyperbole ("this Village Idiot making a bad move is LITERALLY GAME-THROWING GUISE") and being emotional about random crap.

Anyway, I think what you're referring to there is his tendency to make 'cutting' comments for the sake of making a cutting comment. Not sure on his intentions with the lynchbait comment - I just assumed that he had decided to read a TW game or something so worth asking about that.

I remember my last game where he was town and he was discrediting one of his town-reads a bunch. Not that I am any better given that I'm calling him a moron and a scrub in this game but it's not scum-indicative of him.

On September 09 2016 20:51 Palmar wrote:
i like this calix guy

On September 09 2016 21:00 Calix wrote:


If you can call NU's reactive, apathetic, fearful posting style that is devoid of any scum-hunting a scum 'game', then ten minutes of hailstones can be classified as an avalanche.

On September 09 2016 21:20 Holyflare wrote:


I refuse to acknowledge setup speculation posts. Get rekt Superbia.

On September 09 2016 21:55 Holyflare wrote:
How are both those people related?

(shit did someone say something earlier and now my thread reading is a lie?)

On September 09 2016 22:04 Holyflare wrote:
Let's throw Skynx in there for posting for the sake of posting. Maybe he posts something relevant soon.

On September 09 2016 22:47 Vivax wrote:
What's up with superbia? A dozen one liners in a row, his plan is to get lynched, some of his speculation seemed misinformed. It's like he didn't sleep for 24 hours, drank a litre of coffee then started playing mafia. At least it looks like he's motivated to post.

On September 09 2016 23:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:

This Calix guy is a 'she'. c:



I lean-scum-read TW for that matter.

What makes you think that this one line I made saying that TW was lynchbait took energy/emotion?

On September 09 2016 23:20 Vivax wrote:




He also forgot what he said 15 minutes earlier. Bleh.

Not a fan of this what I think could be strategic spam. I employed something similar in my scum game, just with more condensed posts.

Coincidentally starts the game having the same reads as HF, but doesn't talk about HF.
Calls Grack mafia on the go, then asks Calix a question about Never even though he's the guy she talked about the most and he's not within his range of suspects (TW, TT, Grack). Seems like a random question, or wants Calix to talk about the one she obviously has a strong opinion on already.




This is one of the most misused arguments on the forum. Calling somebody lynch bait doesn't equal calling him town. It just means he's lynch bait. It's like he's trying to get Calix to scumread Never, but he isn't scumreading him either.



They seem pretty null to me. HF opens like that as any alignment. Palmar only did some setup speculation. Super could just be handing out a few easy townreads to potentially dangerous players here.

Super can get lynched if he so badly wants to, I'm down.

On September 09 2016 23:26 Vivax wrote:
This might just be the game where I'm calling HF mafia. I'm feeling it, but it's not going to happen this early.

Had to laugh when he said "rip tl mafia" after waiting for 10 minutes for a reply though. The restlessness is real.

On September 09 2016 23:31 Vivax wrote:


I don't respond to claims whether I'm omgusing or not. It's just an easy way for you to discredit my points, which all still stand and your blanket statement that they're incorrect is not going to change anything about that.

On September 09 2016 23:20 Vivax wrote:




He also forgot what he said 15 minutes earlier. Bleh.

Not a fan of this what I think could be strategic spam. I employed something similar in my scum game, just with more condensed posts.

On September 09 2016 23:20 Vivax wrote:Coincidentally starts the game having the same reads as HF, but doesn't talk about HF.
Calls Grack mafia on the go, then asks Calix a question about Never even though he's the guy she talked about the most and he's not within his range of suspects (TW, TT, Grack). Seems like a random question, or wants Calix to talk about the one she obviously has a strong opinion on already.

On September 09 2016 23:20 Vivax wrote:


This is one of the most misused arguments on the forum. Calling somebody lynch bait doesn't equal calling him town. It just means he's lynch bait. It's like he's trying to get Calix to scumread Never, but he isn't scumreading him either.

On September 09 2016 23:20 Vivax wrote:


They seem pretty null to me. HF opens like that as any alignment. Palmar only did some setup speculation. Super could just be handing out a few easy townreads to potentially dangerous players here.

On September 10 2016 00:08 Skynx wrote:

I usually read entire posts of Race, is something wrong with me?

On September 10 2016 00:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:

He's my strongest town-read (even stronger than myself, kek).

On September 10 2016 00:13 Vivax wrote:
A simple summary/caselet of scummy shit superbia did:

- Spammed the early game up with the stream thingy cause it tends to get people townread, got sloppy about it for the sake of spamming and made the mistake about the roles.

- While having a circle of suspects of TW/TT/Grack, the best question that comes to his mind for Calix is about NeverU, literally the guy calix talked about the most so far. Any other question could have been more productive. Calix opinion on NeverU was already fairly obvious from earlier convos.

- That question wasn't related to superbias current circle of suspects -> ergo it was just a question to appear active, get people to talk about what they want to talk. And on top of it, it was a question easy for Calix to answer given that her opinion on NU is probably the most fleshed out in the game.

- One point that isn't as important to me, but still relevant: The fact he had the same early scumreads as HF but somehow didn't relate to what HF wrote about them, or talked about HFs posts on them. This usually wouldn't be a problem if superbia actually brought up points of his own that seemed better to him than HFs points, but since I don't really see anything explaining why TT is mafia, this isn't the case.



This is the reason superbia believes them to be suspect. It looks entirely based on TWs read on TT. You tell me if that's a good reason.

On September 10 2016 00:41 Vivax wrote:


"We all think the same, we can't all be mafia, ergo I'm not mafia?"

Just worded in a less obvious way by using the inverse.

On September 10 2016 00:44 Tumblewood wrote:
after r1h mafia I do not trust vivax to make a good case at all. not that I did before, but I'm more in the interest of voting the opposite of whatever he's saying

On September 10 2016 00:52 NeverUnlucky wrote:

They are hilarious. You and Palmar are giving me good chuckles.

On September 10 2016 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
actually I am too waffly on NU to call him fully town just yet. he is too experienced and too wtf for me to make a newbie call. but I think he is town, even though he does stupid shit like have 5 scumreads or argue about how I need to explain everything

On September 10 2016 02:04 Vivax wrote:
So super and fuba both say you call him lynch bait without reaching a conclusion when actually you're scumreading him, while HF does the same while openly admitting he doesn't have one, yet they only bother about you.

Ergo, I'm right and they're both scummy fuckers

On September 11 2016 04:35 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Y'all are trying to give scum motives to a lurker to cover up the fact that it is a PL.

On September 11 2016 04:39 Tumblewood wrote:
and can someone + Show Spoiler [cough cough] + explain to me the process behind:
tw is scum -> vote tw -> fuck off for 36 hours -> guys vote tt

On September 11 2016 04:40 Palmar wrote:
I like Calix, showing the spirit of yet unbeaten stallion, ready to be ground into obedience by the tl mafia machine

On September 11 2016 04:40 Skynx wrote:
Town almost 100% of the time: NU, Calix, fuba, Tumble
[green]Soft townies: Vivax, Damdred, HF, Grack[green]

Rest can be killed with fire which one I don't really care they are all equally bad.

Soft townies have some good some bad posts, they are more town then nulls however due to nature of their posts when they are active but not super towns due to some wierd stuff.
Those 4 townies I listed above should move together.

On September 11 2016 05:18 Calix wrote:
Also Superbia trying to say I'm scum if TT is town is really terrible.

On September 11 2016 05:18 Tumblewood wrote:

I don't think you are together. I think you are scum, but objectively there is no reason to think tt is town. why would I ever exclude a plynch from my lynch pool? or should I exclude my #1 scumread?

On September 11 2016 05:19 Calix wrote:
No, it just looks like you know what TT will flip and you're planning your next line of attack.

On September 11 2016 05:22 Tumblewood wrote:

Hf for already explained reasons
tt because plynch
you because lurked most of the day (I get you said this pregame but still) and came back and hopped on tt instead of the person you were voting who was previously your #1 scumread

I don't like the term mafia circle because it implies I think you are together, which I don't.

On September 11 2016 05:24 Holyflare wrote:


Quite literally damning.

On September 11 2016 05:27 Skynx wrote:
I can switch Super he took a nosedive.

On September 11 2016 05:31 Damdred wrote:
I sorta think super can kinda maybe be town.

Game might be super hard

On September 11 2016 05:33 Damdred wrote:
Don't worry super I know you are town this time

On September 11 2016 05:34 Damdred wrote:


Got him

On September 11 2016 05:36 Damdred wrote:


Sorry can't help that I'm this good

On September 11 2016 05:37 Vivax wrote:


Sure, go to superbia.

1) he did scummy shit
2) Palmar thinks he's #1 town, so he's most likely not.

Then, he votes TW early on, forgets about it when he comes back to vote TT like I predicted.

For further details, refer to the points in my cases, cba to repeat myself thrice.

On September 11 2016 05:39 Holyflare wrote:
Someone explain the slip.

On September 11 2016 05:40 Tumblewood wrote:

mhm this is tictock's mafia meta mhm

On September 11 2016 05:40 Skynx wrote:
By the way if TT is scum his teammates are 100% bussing him.

On September 11 2016 05:41 Skynx wrote:

You can thats they whole point.

On September 11 2016 05:44 Tumblewood wrote:

super are you really so idiotic to treat wifom as a sure thing

On September 11 2016 05:45 Calix wrote:
NU, can you fuck off already? I'm not scum and I'm not scum with TT. His train is shitty. I am calling out said shitty train. Everyone is ignoring this and Superbia is trying to set up my mislynch if he flips town which is extremely likely.

On September 11 2016 05:48 Holyflare wrote:
Super definitely town.

On September 11 2016 05:49 Damdred wrote:
Also super is such an easy town read when he tries idk why he doesn't post smartly all the time.

On September 11 2016 05:52 Palmar wrote:

quiet boy

instead of being shithead, switch with me.

step back please, I'm going to do science.

On September 11 2016 05:52 Vivax wrote:


Names of people please. Only Calix comes to mind spontaneously.

On September 11 2016 05:56 Skynx wrote:
By the way if TT's town its not end of the world cuz if we lynched another town instead of him today we'd lose a day for lylo cuz TT's likely to get modkilled. Stick TT guys.

On September 11 2016 05:57 Palmar wrote:
switch to tumble guys, it's for a good cause

On September 11 2016 05:57 Vivax wrote:


That deserves the name "so many shitty people?"

Needless hyperbole in your posts noted

On September 11 2016 06:08 Tumblewood wrote:

I'm sorry for voting scum. next time I'll sheep scum like you

On September 11 2016 06:09 Calix wrote:
Oh yes Superbia, please direct us to this 'reasoning' of yours as to why a town flip = two guaranteed scum flips instead of just waving around names.

On September 11 2016 06:10 Shapelog wrote:
That replacement :/. Wonder how that replacement Pm was worded.

Eh, not a wasted lynch I suppose. Since we didn't know about the replacement. At least now I basically can read the game now knowing TT alignment.


I think i once played with a migraine (or off of one) due to it being voting day once. I will endure.

On September 11 2016 06:11 Skynx wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/238343-player-replacement?page=16#302

We are all blind

On September 11 2016 06:11 Tumblewood wrote:

you're like 95% wrong
what you need to understand is that a number of townies were dumbfaces and followed scum onto a townie, while literally all of the towniest people in the game chilled off wagon. I am truly baffled how anyone could think calix or I are scum.

On September 11 2016 06:18 Calix wrote:
I just did. Nobody was making a concerted effort to divert his train and almost all of his votes = sheep.

Tictock had 3 votes with 3 hours to go before EOD. At the time, he was clearly going to be lynched without objection.

And no, people voting for someone else that isn't TT =/= diverting the lynch. Nobody was trying to push an alternative train. Saying that your train was being pushed is extremely generous and nobody else was a viable option.

Therefore that is a shitty train that is likely a mislynch.

On September 11 2016 06:18 Superbia wrote:
Also I do care about you shapelog, take it easy man.

On September 11 2016 06:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Again, no one has addressed this, but I WAS STRONGLY AGAINST TT's LYNCH TOO AND WAS VOCAL ABOUT IT. WHY ONLY CALIX IS GETTING SHIT FOR IT IS BEYOND ME.

On September 11 2016 06:20 Calix wrote:


"seems townie" - lol wtf, I AM town. How is that a reason to scum-read someone?

What are you even talking about? I've scum-read Grack, TT, TW, fuba and Damdred throughout the game. Saying I "haven't believed anyone is mafia" is blatantly incorrect.

On September 11 2016 06:23 Calix wrote:
I like how people are acting like I haven't made my reads clear.

Damdred and fuba for two.

Your push on me reeks of opportunism and your reasons for scum-reading me are literal shit.

I also dislike HF's push. However I doubt that both of you are scum because you two are too obviously linked by agreeing on this dumb push of me.

On September 11 2016 06:25 Calix wrote:


What the fuck would you call my vote and posts on Damdred then?

Nice leading questions, but no dice.

On September 11 2016 06:27 Calix wrote:
Damdred had 2 votes. HF had 2 votes until I voted for him within the last 10 minutes.

Continue to mischaracterise the situation, why don't you?

On September 11 2016 06:29 Grackaroni wrote:
@Scott:

I am 100% Ok with you randomizing a shot on anyone you are unsure of if you are shooting today. It is also perfectly fine to avoid shooting today.

Just please don't shoot TW/Vivax/NU/Calix

On September 11 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, you've got to interact with me if you want us to be efficient. I town-read you. Now more than ever is the time you have to collaborate with me.

On September 11 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:


Yes, idiot.

And the overall response was "Damdred can be useful if he's town" and "TT is a better option, let's sheep his train"

You said yourself that "TT would have posted if he was town" - how do I argue with such stellar reasoning exactly?

On September 11 2016 06:32 Grackaroni wrote:

I haven't said anything about you.

Also you're pretty much the last person I would trust for thoughts on the setup.

On September 11 2016 06:35 Calix wrote:


You haven't answered how I would have countered that kind of point.

Your reasoning for joining the TT train is extremely weak and you have nothing to say about that when you were proven wrong, eh?

On September 11 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
Only NK townies Shoot/Check....Aka Ven.

Scott can heal and that is it, since he is Benv,


Good,

Now push my mafia agenda for me.

FFS stop Cap locking.

Also stop saying what I said.

Lol I litterly posted the reasoning behind why place my vote. Is it good? no, I find it horrible since I lacked a lot of what happen. Did I at least explained it? yes.

And ask if someone could catch me up.

On September 11 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:


lol so the possibility of him being legitimately AFK never occurred to you? Calling bullshit.

On September 11 2016 06:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Seriously no one just disappears entirely because they are mafia. There is always a non-game related reason for a total disappearance. If scum doesn't just kill me tonight I guarantee that I'm going super saiyan day 2. I'm feeling annoyed over this lynch.

On September 11 2016 06:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:


I actually predict that the mafia'll shoot Vivax over me because he has site experience and it would be framing you, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was found riddled with bullets tomorrow morning. Both of us are so widely tr'ed that we're as close as we can get to confirmed towns in this setup.

Then again, they might WIFOM and shoot someone else.

On September 11 2016 06:46 Grackaroni wrote:

Marv has solid scum play! He's just at a disadvantage because he gets a lot more attention than other people.

On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum?

On September 11 2016 06:49 Calix wrote:
TT was not objectively scummy. He only had one person who gave any kind of reasoning for his train. If he was actually scummy, that wouldn't have been the case.

I didn't say that I knew he was town for certain. The only thing I knew was that his train sucked and this is undeniable. A train that isn't being contested with a bunch of sheep voters = shitty.

You are only focusing on me being scum when I wasn't the only person defending TT's shitty train. Yet I am the only person that is scummy for defending TT. Selective scum-hunting, now that's actually sketchy.

I read him as probable town due to external factors, in this case votes. You don't always need to use his posts (which sucked but there was nothing that came from a 100% scum mindset) to figure that out. Not a scum tell, sorry not sorry.

On September 11 2016 06:52 Calix wrote:
Superbia's logic is not consistent. He says we should look at the people defending the ML and that 'town would never defend TT in that situation' but is uncritically town-reading NU despite him defending the ML too. And he has said nothing on how NU defending TT isn't scummy yet my defense is.

On September 11 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote:


Just follow with me for a moment as I'm working through this.

Lets say that you are a mid to high tier player (as I think every one in this game is). You rolled scum, you already have a scum read on the person getting lynched.

Its wifom partly, but what's the point to flipping your read bringing ore attention to yourself when your ere being 80% town read just for a I told you so at that point?

On September 11 2016 06:54 Calix wrote:
That's called constipation.

But seriously, fuck 'gut reads' to high hell.

And if you think I'm relenting on my read of you because you might 'reconsider' your shitty 'scum-read' then you can suck it.

On September 11 2016 06:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:


If a train is utter shit, the trained player is in most cases TOWN. Calix and I have explained many times how the train was shit and that TT was most likely town given this. Do you not do VCA in TL?

Also, we were pushing for Damdred, but it did not get attention because the scum were most likely drawing everyone's attention to TT, leaving our case in the shadows.

On September 11 2016 06:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Yes, I did have you as lean-town. What is your point though?

Yes, TT's flip proved that, right? zzz

On September 11 2016 06:56 Damdred wrote:


Let's not nAMe names lets just answer honestly

On September 11 2016 06:57 Calix wrote:
Also I haven't used TT's mislynch as a "I told you so" thing. You people keep saying "Calix defended TT" but you haven't said what I would actually get out of it.

I'm not using TT's mislynch to push a scum-read on anyone. I'm not saying "I told you so". I'm not saying I am town for defending TT. I am not saying I am town for making this post "cuz WIFOM lul"

But fuck WIFOM for a second...what exactly would scum!Calix get out of this if not those things?

On September 11 2016 06:59 Damdred wrote:


What about being super paranoid about halfway through d1 hating who's joining the wagon and thinks it's to easy? Scum or town?

On September 11 2016 07:02 Calix wrote:


Showing that the scum-read on me for defending TT is shitty, duh.

I'm asking for what intent I would have, as scum, to defend TT.

Also if it wasn't obvious, I hate 'WIFOM' as a response. That's almost-always been a cop-out way of saying "I have no retort but I won't say as much" like seriously.

On September 11 2016 07:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Vote Count Analysis. What Calix and I did to show that TT's lynch was most likely a ML, 3 hours before he was lynched.

On September 11 2016 07:05 Damdred wrote:


I honestly don't think calix just rethinking on things is probably scum.

Shows paranoia about the lynch to well to be from scum (on a first look)

Is way to aggro and put themselves way to out there with Mich to hard a stance and to weird a turn to come from scum.

Just ny initial take,though I think,the scum reads are off this time even from myself.

On September 11 2016 07:12 Calix wrote:
I was scum-reading Damdred before the mislynch happened, was ambivalent about you and suspected Superbia when he said "if TT flips town, lynch Calix and TW"

And those reads have little to do with the fact that you guys were on the mislynch.

So no.