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On September 07 2016 07:11 Shapelog wrote: Wait a second....their names sound familiar. Why do your guys name sound familiar? OH SHIT! I FORGOT ABOUT THAT GAME AFTER MY CP DIED! .... Um... + Show Spoiler + Mick Foley Save ME! So...How... How did that Game turn out? In short, After day 1, I went to slay RLVG, and a lookout caught me doing so. I was then lynched the following day. That left you, the traitor, and an empty slot (Was replaced twice) as the last scum members. Firebringer who was replacing our teammate was sent to kill Kovath; the lookout once again spotted him in action. Seeing as you were inactive and that it was 9v2 (including you), scum decided to concede. It was a bad game all around: The setup was bad, 5 of the 15 slots were empty, and scum played like Eggy. Don't bother reading what you've missed, not worth it. | ||
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On September 07 2016 04:43 Rels wrote: Hello NeverUnlucky, hello Calix. I see that you are both new to this forum and that you both signed up for the two games currently open for signups. If you are not newbie from forum mafia in general, disregard what I'm going to say. A game a forum mafia takes quite a lot of daily time, ideally you should take at least 1h per day to play properly, and some people commit way more than that. Since you are both signed up for two games at the same time, I will warn you about it; if you are new to forum mafia and are doing something fulltime during the day, I would not recommend you to play two games at the same time. But if you're like a student and you have a lot of free time, it is possible. Again, if you're not forum mafia newbs, sorry for this ^^ I just wanna make sure you do not underestimate the time a forum mafia game can take. I think I also speak on Calix's behalf when I say that we're of the people who commit more than an hour a day to FM. If you're worried about us lurking, fear not, we're active. Non, y'a pas de soucis. C'est compréhensible que tu veuilles que ta partie se déroule sans anicroches, en bon hôte que tu es. Nous aussi détestons les "lurkers". Espérons qu'il n'y en ait pas trop cette fois. ^^ Also, is there a quicker way of multi-quoting posts than to do "Quote[#1]", copy the text, do "Quote[#2]", paste the text, and answer? | ||
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On September 07 2016 06:25 Shapelog wrote: Is my name Henry? Hello Cal and NU, Welcome to the scene. What are you currently in school for? What would you say is your strongest part of your scum and town play style? What do you struggle with? Do you think you have what it takes to out-joke me? I ensure you, that 57% of your answers will be considered. 1 - Health Science & Computer Science. I despise both, too many nerds in my classes. 2 - Scum play: Shitty all around. Town play: I tend to read players accurately. 3 - Persuading others of my accurate reads, not trolling, and not becoming salty post-game, zzz. 4 - Out-joke? Maybe not. Out-GIF? 100%. | ||
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On September 07 2016 10:57 Damdred wrote: I vouch for both of them in a mysterious way -waves hand like a ghost- Noice. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.giphy.com/CspgsfagIoM12.gif) | ||
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1. Is there a way to see how many times a player has posted in the thread? 2. Is there a feature that facilitates ISOing (Isolating X player's posts to strenghten a read)? 3. How do games usually start around here? RVS? Setup spec? 4. How do I change the number of posts per page? 20 posts/page is very little. | ||
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The "Death Whisperer" is a heavy counter to TPRs. + Show Spoiler + Death Whisperer Win condition: Win anytime living mafia members equals or outnumbers living town members. Ghost curse: Once per game at night, you can target one player. If that person is protected by the benevolent ghosts' protection, he will die. If that person is targeted by the spirit's KP, he will protected from it. Death tracker: Spectral (can be used even if dead). If you successfully killed someone with your ghost curse, you will have access to the Benevolent Ghost QT after your death. You won't be able to post in it. If you successfully protected someone with your ghost curse, you will have access to the Vengeful Spirit QT after your death. You won't be able to post in it.] Using a TPR ability unwisely can backfire terribly if countered by the DW. Do you think TPRs should act every night? If we ML today, the Vengeful spirit should not use his vigilante shot today as the DW will 100% target one of the three mafias. He has no reason to target townies as the Benevolent Ghost won't exist by then. Therefore, using the sole vigilante bullet N1 has the most chance of it going to waste. It is preferable to do an alignment check on any player and keep the shot for the following nights where the DW won't necessarily target a mafia. | ||
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On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote: Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought. Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, but To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. She ends her post with an excuse to why she wouldn't post in the upcoming hours. It's something scum tends to do more, but it still is NAI. Scum-reading Calix. @Vivax, don't give me or her the benefit of the doubt because we're "new", we aren't. We're both familiar to mafia. Giving either of us (especially her) a chance, it could be all we need to fly under your radar. | ||
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On September 09 2016 06:51 Skynx wrote: New players: "Hmm I'm nervous about my entry post so lemme post some comments on game mechanics to be safe" Where are you going with this? Do you scum-read us both? Posts without conclusions like this one aren't worth much. On September 09 2016 06:46 Tictock wrote: Aw shucks, my streak of rolling town has come to an end. Guess I wont be posting much so I don't accidentally give you guys info. Lel. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:05 Calix wrote: Using the correct pronouns is not a scum tell and never will be. You just used it yourself in your last line because it's a common word in the English language. Also seriously? You are aware that I moved to a different site to get AWAY from crappy meta reads and the first thing you do is give me shit via a crappy meta read? It's a very mild scum tell and always will be. Yes, I used it in my last line... in a different context. The "we" I used referred to you and me, not the town. Nice misrep attempt. Ugh, I know, and I apologize. I won't use meta anymore. :3 In regards to your LW point: you stated that town should use surnames/quotes to refer to X player and then mentioned that scum can manipulate LWs. So you knew that what you were going to say wasn't going to be helpful for town anyways. Why did you feel the need to mention this? What do you think of my first post? How did you think that town had PRs before they were lynched? | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:14 Shapelog wrote: So....Your scum reading her, based off of (meta) pro-noun usage. Incorrect. It's based off her fluff, her LW setup spec that didn't advantage town, and her misreading the setup. The town roles are so straightforward, no town would think that there are PRs D1. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:23 Damdred wrote: @Never and calix Since both of you are familiar with one another could you explain each other's scum/meta game slightly to us? No. Calix came to this site NOT TO BE META-READ. My scum meta is obvious -- if I am not confrontational in my posts, I am scum. Bam. That easy. That's why I'm a bad player: I can be read using meta only. Also, Vivax hit the nail on the head in his last post. It described how I felt about Calix's LW spec. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:25 Shapelog wrote: Vivax point is good (or at least points out the inconsistent in agenda) But you said the bold was NAI? I can kinda understand the rest. Yes, it's NAI in most setups. I just don't believe it can be a town slip in this particular setup. My scum-read on Calix is not a strong one yet. It's mostly a gut read. I want her to respond to my posts and convince me she's town if she is. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:29 Damdred wrote: Damn never says I should scum read him for being confrontational. I said the opposite, zzz. | ||
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Don't care to look. Where did I imply this again? I forget.[/quote] Stating the obvious. Ugh, you're already pissing me off. Here it is: On September 09 2016 06:45 NeverUnlucky wrote: I'm not sure how games are started here, so I will do some setup speculation. The "Death Whisperer" is a heavy counter to TPRs. + Show Spoiler + Death Whisperer Win condition: Win anytime living mafia members equals or outnumbers living town members. Ghost curse: Once per game at night, you can target one player. If that person is protected by the benevolent ghosts' protection, he will die. If that person is targeted by the spirit's KP, he will protected from it. Death tracker: Spectral (can be used even if dead). If you successfully killed someone with your ghost curse, you will have access to the Benevolent Ghost QT after your death. You won't be able to post in it. If you successfully protected someone with your ghost curse, you will have access to the Vengeful Spirit QT after your death. You won't be able to post in it.] Using a TPR ability unwisely can backfire terribly if countered by the DW. Do you think TPRs should act every night? If we ML today, the Vengeful spirit should not use his vigilante shot today as the DW will 100% target one of the three mafias. He has no reason to target townies as the Benevolent Ghost won't exist by then. Therefore, using the sole vigilante bullet N1 has the most chance of it going to waste. It is preferable to do an alignment check on any player and keep the shot for the following nights where the DW won't necessarily target a mafia. Your thoughts? You implied this in your first post. You said: "Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty")" | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:35 Damdred wrote: It was a joke never. I think you can be town I do think you are harping on something that doesn't quite make calix scum in this situation though. Now what do you think of vivax? "It's a joke guise" Maybe I'm off, maybe I'm biased because she's the only player I know. She hasn't done anything I can see worthy of being town-read, so I'm satisfied with my read so far. What are your thoughts on her? I agree with the post he made about Calix's fluff, and I like that he is trying to scum-hunt unlike most players here. However, he did twist some of the things Calix said. Was it in an attempt to throw shade? Was it just a misrep? I don't know yet. I will say that I do not like your slot. You've been sitting back, trying to read solely me and Calix, the new players, the low hanging fruits. You haven't tried to scum-hunt yet either, prefering to ask players some non-confrontational questions instead. Lean-scum. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:35 Calix wrote: No, moron. I'm not going to waste my time on 'convincing' you that I'm town. Nothing you said holds any weight. Go figure that I can't get a break from people scum-reading me for the worst reasons. In any case, pretty sure you are town given your fixation on this 'scum tell' of mine. By all means continue to waste time asking 20 questions though until you wise the fuck up. Why did this arouse me? | ||
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Calix: You get a Sheriff-Vig when someone is lynched, yes? They can use their LW to say "I checked X". On N2, the next person to get lynched can say "X is inno/ guilty" You do, but they cannot interact with the town anymore. They share a QT, yo. Their LW will be ones they had as Vanilla Townies. Sorry for pissing you off :3 | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:46 Shapelog wrote: But.... You state the set up of this game. The fact she didn't read it. And concluded NAI. I've already responded to this. Interpret my contradiction the way you like if my answer doesn't satisfy you. | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:51 Damdred wrote: I'm not understanding one of the reasons you scum read me. If I am trying to slow roll you and calix why do I town read both of you? I get that, but why only me and her? Shapelog and Vivax have posted enough content for you to formulate a read on them and/or reply to their posts with a critical mindset to find the flaws in what they say. I do not like that you're keeping your posts to the new zoo exhibits. That leaves me,with hideous and horrid options this early in the game. And why should I scum,hunt atm I have a nice town circle starting in my mind I'll,just lynch outside it today. Why would you scum-hunt? Do I even have to reply here? It's not a town circle if the players inside it don't town-read you. But on a serious nite shape, I like my read as a formative step. Both of them have an f u attitude and a don't back down attitude, that we mainly see come from an t v t perspective this early, Atm I think vivax, cal and never are town. And I want to like you shape so say something I love you long time for And why are you town-reading Vivax? | ||
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TOWN Vivax NU LEAN TOWN Shapelog NULL Everyone who hasn't posted+those who trolled and left LEAN SCUM Damdred Calix | ||
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On September 09 2016 07:59 Damdred wrote: Vivax is obviously town for today and I wouldn't lynch him until d2-3 even if he wasn't doing God's work today. Though his posts have been pretty nice even if I disagree at points. And I am sort of scum hunting you just don't like the how which isn't of consequence nor a reason to scum read me. And shape is one of more interesting scum players on site, so I'll always hold out on him. You didn't explain your read on him, LMAO. "Obvious town" doesn't convince anybody (Maybe Eggy). Which points do you disagree with? How are you scum-hunting? I don't recall reading any of your posts with a comment as to why X would be scum nor pointing out the fallacies in people's posts. Explain. | ||
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I think that scum would either keep on saying that they were right or back off earlier when they were called out for it to avoid interactions. I do not like this though: Even if I was being pretty dumb It looks like you pulled a NU if you know what I'm saying. | ||
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On September 09 2016 08:12 NeverUnlucky wrote: ^ This feels somewhat town imo. I think that scum would either keep on saying that they were right or back off earlier when they were called out for it to avoid interactions. I do not like this though: It looks like you pulled a NU if you know what I'm saying. "This" being Calix's post about her mistake. | ||
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On September 09 2016 08:11 Calix wrote: Can you cut the crap with referring to Eggy every game? Nobody here knows who you're talking about and it's petty. Pointing out fallacies =/= scum-hunting. Going "oh you misrepped me and made an appeal to emotion" isn't the same thing as detailed analysis. Vivax's post that I responded to is a MUCH better example of legit scum-hunting even if he's wrong. Maybe try emulating that instead of going "boom! Found a scum tell, gg no re" I don't agree with Damdred that he's scum-hunting. He claims to be using POE (with town-reads) but that is not the same thing imo. Otherwise not sure what he would be referring to. Fluff. Fluff. Fluff and shade-throw: My attitude in no way suggests that I am certain that I found a scum and that the game is 'geegee no re ez'. btw you said 'geegee' without the e's, get modkilled, nerd. That's what I said. | ||
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On September 09 2016 08:19 Shapelog wrote: Anyways I wouldn't mind pressure voting them. Skynx can be in this pool too rn. Calling a vote a "pressure vote" nullifies the intent. Also, do you think TickTock's post was him trolling about rolling mafia or him rolling mafia and WIFOMing to be trolling about rolling mafia? | ||
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On September 09 2016 09:31 Tumblewood wrote: on second thought NU confuses me too much to call him scum What the fuck? If players confuse you you call them scum? If they confuse you too much you don't? I'm the one who's confused here. | ||
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On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote: there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it. other people: vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful. Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment "Calix is more genuine than NU, thus NU is scum, Calix is town." WTF How does he interest you? How is this relevant? On September 09 2016 09:26 Tumblewood wrote: fuba also seems pretty cool Meaning? On September 09 2016 09:42 Tumblewood wrote: dealing with new players and players from other sites gives me mixed feelings. they're never assimilated into the site meta (except you Skynx <3) but I need to still play mafia with them. adapting is hard Where are you going with this? On September 09 2016 09:44 Tumblewood wrote: like I always feel like "look trust me I'm town" and it's true but they don't read me like the people on TL do. it felt that way last game when everyone was blind. can I request a vet to talk to? preferably after I get out of the shower What? Then he calls me and Calix new players, zzz. | ||
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On September 09 2016 10:09 Tictock wrote: Basically the only setup thing that's important to living players imo is being able to see who the dead are voting for as that gives us insight into their thoughts. In general though it is best to approach this game as a straight all vanilla game with some potential information coming from dead players. Seems we've got a fairly active game started up here. I'm gunna have to catchup more after dinner. And even then, the mafia has a role that allows them to control the ghosts' vote twice during a game. We cannot be sure if the Vengeful Ghosts are voting someone they have a red check on or if the mafia is behind the vote. ^ With this in mind, MYLO/LYLO can come much quicker than expected. @Rels, we told you we were active. ^^ | ||
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On September 09 2016 10:21 Tumblewood wrote: pls stop making me explain myself It's kind of the point of the game. If you have reads but can't express them, no one's going to follow them, and you're as useless as town-Palmar. Explain them. | ||
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On September 09 2016 10:58 Calix wrote: A* post. I especially liked the part where you followed up on this bold declaration with some solid reasoning and a vote. While that gets worked on, I'm finding Tumblewood ignoring the posts where NU and I pointed out some of his odd reasoning (he reads me as more genuine and helpful than NU so NU is scum and I'm town with no chance of TvT/ WvW? wut) to be increasingly conspicuous. I'll see if he responds but I am 100% expecting a followup. I find it hard to understand where Tumblewood is coming from with his posts which makes me wonder if they're written with a different mindset to mine. What makes Ticktock worse than Tumblewood given this? In any case, 3am over here. I'm taking my leave. Also expecting responses from Damdred. Neither have responded to my questions. On September 09 2016 11:00 Holyflare wrote: You shouldn't expect a follow up from Tumblewood that guy is 100% free madia lynch bait. You mean his behavior is always this erratic? Why are you only willing to vote TickTock? | ||
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I also found it odd that he though that my first post regarding the Calix was "solid". Even I thought that there were some flaws in that post. It wasn't "solid" by any means. Moreover, I interpreted his very first post as a mafia WIFOMing that he's trolling about rolling mafia because I don't see town going this far in terms of trolling. Only times I can see town claiming mafia is when they're being stupidly pushed and answer with sarcasm (i.e. "Damn, good job, town. You got me. I am mafia with Palmar and Ramlap. GG, you were too good."). Claiming mafia with no pressure is serious. There's also the point that Shapey brought up: Tick gave himself an excuse not to be active from his first post. | ||
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On September 09 2016 11:15 Holyflare wrote: Sheep me bitches I might. Your case was quite convincing. I'll take the night to think about it. On September 09 2016 11:21 Holyflare wrote: Wow dead game rip tl mafia What are your other reads? | ||
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On September 09 2016 11:30 Holyflare wrote: That would involve me reading the game which i can't be bothered to do >You bothered reading Tick's posts. You bothered reading my questions. You bothered reading the thread in a way. Reading through <250 posts isn't a hard task to do. >You admit not reading through all of the posts and expect people to sheep you? zzz >Your apathy has been noted. | ||
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On September 09 2016 11:33 fuba wrote: While I appreciate it, it always makes me uncomfortable when people town read me, especially D1 XD A) "seems pretty cool" =/= Town-read. Can hardly even call it a read. B) I agree that you've done nothing worthy of being town-read so far. 4 "I'm alive" posts shouldn't warrant a t-r. C) Why did you specify "especially D1"? | ||
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On September 09 2016 11:38 Holyflare wrote: Unless you're saying my argumentation is wrong all I'm hearing is bs excuses for not voting mafia. I'm not saying it's wrong. On September 09 2016 11:38 Holyflare wrote: Your lack of sheep has been noted. As I said, I considered it, but your "GG ez, sheep me" behavior as well as your admittance of not reading through the whole thread are making me second-think this. tl;dr I agree with your read, but you've got little credibility. On September 09 2016 11:41 Holyflare wrote: I'm also going to town read Calix for being from the UK. Too easy. Lol. She's your typical Brit: Listens to rock, is conservative, is sarcastic, and complains about the weather. | ||
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On September 09 2016 14:03 Tumblewood wrote: i'm just not gonna waste 4 hours explaining myself to some scrub who thinks he's caught me in a lie see? it's not even my reads that are unexplained. it's my non-reads. like I have to waste my time explaining why you're all scrubs and I'm not scum for saying something but not drawing a conclusion from it but that makes it seem less bad if it's only one of 8 posts you've seen sorry nvm you're scum + Show Spoiler [in case you couldn't tell] + that was a j o k e and I still think he is town can I just complain about new players for a sec? cause I'm reading some posts by NU and he keeps attacking people for being lazy. I get the intentions and that may or not be valid on your home site but here on TL lazy is the meta. it's like a competition for who can look the laziest each game. I want to sheep you hf but after last game I'm paranoid If It takes you 4 hours to answer 3 fucking questions, mafia isn't for you. It's 100% your reads that aren't explained. "is cool" "is interesting" I like" aren't worth shit without backing up. HF is right, you're lynch bait. Then drop that lazy meta for a game. I didn't sign up for a lurkfest/laziest-person-wins! game. Still waiting for you to actually respond to my questions and stop being overly defensive. | ||
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On September 09 2016 14:06 Tumblewood wrote: also, depending on the site meta for wherever NU is from, the chainsaw defense (this is my first time using that term btw) may or may not exclude him from being partners with tictock. is that a chainsaw defense? I'm not sure if I'm using it correctly, but it would be a pretty ballsy play to soft defend tt / attack hf if NU knows what he's doing. Chainsaw defense? uwotm8? I agreed with all of the points HF made on TickTock and was thinking about voting him until he admitted that he didn't read the thread. I'm not sheeping someone who is careless, that goes without saying. | ||
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On September 09 2016 17:47 Superbia wrote: Like having 2 checks per night is excellent. Having town KP back up is excellent. We lose 1 town vote on the second town lynch. And we lose none during N1. Do they get two checks though? The way I understood it is the Ghosts are 'one slot'. They collectively have 1 check/night, not 1 check/ghost. | ||
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On September 09 2016 17:53 Superbia wrote: All jokes aside lynching a veteran town d1 is really good. This statement is all sorts of flawed. I've to go for ~7 hours. I'll catch up and point out the flaws of this strategy when I get back. <3 Calix | ||
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On September 09 2016 20:19 NeverUnlucky wrote: This statement is all sorts of flawed. I've to go for ~7 hours. I'll catch up and point out the flaws of this strategy when I get back. <3 Calix Nevermind the ~7 hours, just got a notification that my class was canceled, zzz. Be back in 3 hours. | ||
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On September 09 2016 20:37 Calix wrote: I have. He's a scrub but he's town. He's more proactive and abrasive compared to his scum play. He gets mislynched a lot given he's presumptuous, arrogant, prone to trolling, has poor persuasion abilities, etc, so I am not surprised that he's under some suspicion. I am also 99% sure that he's read like, one or two past games on this site and that's why he's acting like he knows what everyone's meta is. Recently, he read one of my scum games from five months ago and now thinks he's an expert. That's how he rolls. Dude, you're a clown. I only got MLed once in the 6 games I played. Where did you get the "he gets MLed a lot" idea from? Yes, I am an arrogant and presumptuous troll who has trouble persuading others, but I am not under some suspicion. Literally the only person scum-reading me is Tumblewood, and he hasn't given a half-decent reason as to why he did. I've read 0 games of this site. So much for being 99% sure. I don't think I'm an expert as far as knowing your play goes. We've discussed this already. | ||
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On September 09 2016 20:51 Palmar wrote: i like this calix guy This Calix guy is a 'she'. c: On September 09 2016 20:41 Superbia wrote: Is he prone to be abrasive and yet form no actual opinion on someone? He calls TW 'lynchbait', which suggests he is TRing him, but nothing suggests he is reaching any actual conclusion. Seems weird to put seemingly that much energy/emotion into something but reach no real conclusion. I lean-scum-read TW for that matter. What makes you think that this one line I made saying that TW was lynchbait took energy/emotion? | ||
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Ayyy, that was spicy. On September 09 2016 21:25 Holyflare wrote: If he's not mafia then grack and new guy certainly are. Nice logic. | ||
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On September 09 2016 21:53 Grackaroni wrote: No I'm just posting here while I do my homework thereby accomplishing neither while increasing the fun of both. That also means I haven't and will not sleep today, which means you should expect a greater amount of uselessness than usual. Then you should square that uselessness when I'm in the presence of Palmar and/or Shapelog. Anyway, if there's anything specifically you want me to comment on, I'll do so. What's in bold: It's town's responsibility to reach out to other towns and make comments on posts, not town's responsibility to reach out to players to ask them what they think. Scum-tell. Still a null read on Grack.. Also, this site is laggy as fuck. | ||
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On September 09 2016 22:22 Skynx wrote: Am i actually getting accused for going to sleep and posting for sake of posting on first hour of the game? Nice misrep, zzz. | ||
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On September 09 2016 23:23 Superbia wrote: You made a big bad scary post ranting on TW. Which proves you wrong. It shows that I do not town-read TW. | ||
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On September 09 2016 23:39 Skynx wrote: quality post here guys give him tcred asap Do I need to point out the irony here? What are your reads? | ||
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On September 09 2016 21:32 fuba wrote: This was the one thing that really stood out to me from last night. He seems to be, at best, town reading TW and at worst, accidentally admitting he knows TW is town. I'm willing to trust calix's meta knowledge atm though. Would revisit him if something crazy happens or TW does end up flipping town. In any case, ticktock not returning after dinner last night makes me feel even better about my vote. As Vivax said, calling someone lynchbait isn't attributing him a TR. It's saying that his play is bad, no matter his alignment. I am SRing TW for other reasons than this lynchbait thing you are nitpicking. | ||
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On September 09 2016 23:41 Skynx wrote: To give an update I've been procinasting this whole time playing overthrow, I'll start reading now. Right after being called out. Lovely example of proactiveness here. | ||
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TOWN Vivax HF Superbia LEAN TOWN Calix Shape NULL Palmar LEAN SCUM Grack TW TT Skynx Damdred | ||
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On September 09 2016 23:46 Skynx wrote: I check my subscriptions every now n then to see how the game is progressing cuz thats not much effort contrary to reading the thread. You admit not having any intent pushing the game forward, rather preferring to "see how the game is progressing". Town's goal is to push the game forward to try and find the scum. Your sitting-back and 100% reactive play show that you don't have town motivation. [Vote Skynx] | ||
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On September 09 2016 23:47 Skynx wrote: Anyway I'll just comment on stuff as I go along the game, will answer stuff here aswell if u like. Again, another scumtell (which I've explained in an answer to Grock's post). | ||
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On September 09 2016 23:52 Skynx wrote: Unfortunately you are objectively wrong. Pushing the game forward requires intentional time commitment. I decided to play overthrow while checking here every now and then as I said cuz i didn't feel like playing. You being here the entire time since the game started doesn't mean others have to do the same. Wrong, it just requires INTENT. You haven't even tried to contribute, that is the point. Fuba has been present less than you, but he still managed to make 1-2 comments that had some value. "Time commitment" has nothing to do with intent. | ||
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On September 09 2016 23:58 Skynx wrote: Oh man okay excuse my ignorance why didn't you tell you are a tryhard from the start so I could ignore you anyway. So see the problem here. I pointed out the problem with your opener. You say if I don't scum read you based on it my post is worthless. In meantime Vivax posted the same shit just writing a bit more stuff then you guys argued three pages over use of pronouns and shit. Ignoring players who scum-read you -- deflection/apathy. You still don't answer the question. Deflection. SKYNX NEEDS MORE VOTES. | ||
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On September 09 2016 23:54 Skynx wrote: Okay I will ignore your posts here until I catchup if you wish so. Your push has no logical credit to it anyway. Nice attempt to discredit me while refuting none of my points. | ||
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On September 10 2016 00:03 Calix wrote: NU vs Skynx is getting dumb. All I'm seeing is NU conflating contribution with alignment and Skynx getting annoyed. NU, maybe back off and see what Skynx does when they finish catching up/ are not playing Overwatch or what the fuck ever and then resume this. Alright. In the meantime, what are your reads? | ||
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On September 10 2016 00:07 Skynx wrote: You are also sr'ing Damdred for not trying ok nice. I don't SR you solely because you have no town motivation. I also SR you because you've been 100% reactive this game, no initiative. Since you've been catching up, you've only commented on my posts (I assume because I am pushing you) which proves my point. | ||
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On September 10 2016 00:14 Superbia wrote: Is anyone taking vivax seriously? I'd prefer to ignore giant posts He's my strongest town-read (even stronger than myself, kek). | ||
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On September 10 2016 00:24 Palmar wrote: maybe too many people suspect TW. I like my reads to be edgy, because I'm edgy as fuck. So idk And yet he has no votes. I do not know what to make of this. Agreed that it's too convenient that no one trs him. | ||
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[Initializing...] [Death Whisperer: Skynx] [Witch: Grackoroni] [Necromancer: TicTock] On September 10 2016 00:26 Palmar wrote: Why did you call me useless as town NU? That's not true I'm the #1 player. Lel | ||
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On September 10 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote: HF is town for tunnel on TT easiest read so far. Tunneling is NAI. | ||
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On September 10 2016 00:49 Tumblewood wrote: truth nu vs. skynx is TvT. as long as skynx isn't voting me I will sheep him because I am 90ish percent sure he's town and his voting record is about twice as good as mine. this subject to change if/when I lose confidence in that read or get pissed at someone How about... ... you read players for yourself and vote whoever appears scummy to you? | ||
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On September 10 2016 00:50 Superbia wrote: Can someone acknowledge how good and funny my posts are btw? They are hilarious. You and Palmar are giving me good chuckles. | ||
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On September 10 2016 00:54 Tumblewood wrote: actually I am too waffly on NU to call him fully town just yet. he is too experienced and too wtf for me to make a newbie call. but I think he is town, even though he does stupid shit like have 5 scumreads or argue about how I need to explain everything This is my 7th FM game. I'm not too experienced for anyone to read. How the fuck do you call me too experienced and newbie in the same sentence? There are two methods to find the scum: 1. Go for town-reads and find scum by PoE. 2. Find the scumminess in players' posts. We all use both manners, but we tend to favor one over the other. For instance, Damdred only has town-reads so far, so he has a preference for 1., while I have 5 scum-reads, so I like 2. better. Having 5 scum-reads is neither stupid nor AI. How about... ... you actually explain 'everything'? I won't ask you to explain anything if you do explain them, zzz. | ||
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On September 10 2016 01:02 Calix wrote: Vivax, if you had to pick two scum-reads and two town-reads, who would you pick? And why? (for the scum-reads at least) l v On September 10 2016 00:11 Calix wrote: Already explained my scum reads. Not hurling up a reads list for the hell of it when all that does is give scum more information than necessary on how I operate. Ask a more specific question if you actually want to pry into my alignment. "What are your reads" is the most basic bitch type of question that only makes people regurgitate opinions without noting anything new. zzz | ||
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On September 10 2016 01:10 Calix wrote: No. It's not hypocritical when a) Vivax has not explicitly stated his scum-reads (whereas I did) and b) I only asked for explanations for his scum-reads, not town. It's still hypocritical, lol. | ||
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On September 10 2016 01:11 Skynx wrote: brb cooking and stuff plz comment on my stuff while i'm away so i can comment back especially NU since you wanted me to become active how do you feel about my reads? They're very similar to the thread's consensus reads. That either means you are trying to blend in by agreeing with everyone, or those players have townslipped/scumslipped hard enough for a majority of people to share the same reads. I like that you're trying, it doesn't make you town though. I needed to call you out for it for you to start posting content. I can see a town tone in your posts though. Null read for now. | ||
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On September 10 2016 01:13 Calix wrote: Strong counterargument. I am utterly hapless to defend myself. Tell me where Vivax has made his town/ scum-reads clear in his ISO and I'll recant. He did not. It's nonetheless hypocritical of you to call my question about reads basic/useless and then seeing you ask a fairly similar question to Vivax. | ||
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Calix, what conclusion do you make of your last post? What is yo' new stance on Vivax? | ||
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On September 10 2016 01:34 Calix wrote: Uh yes? People generally have opinions on popular topics of discussion, especially when suspects are being discussed. Why would you not want to give yours? Even if you don't think you have anything new to add, saying something like "I agree with X" is still better than nothing. What is your take on the Vivax - Superbia showdown hen? What game are you referring to, Hype Mafia? Please tell me you aren't going to go read other games to meta-read someone/understand someone's behavior... So associations/ narratives?[/QUOTE] duh | ||
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On September 10 2016 01:37 Vivax wrote: Who was the guy who bitched about NU calling TW lynch bait again? HF did the same, he better have called both of them out. Fuba did. | ||
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On September 10 2016 01:53 Vivax wrote: Ya he did, replying to superbia who was the one initially posting that. Don't really see HF having an opinion on Tumble either when claiming he's lynch bait. And looking at NU's filter I don't see him claiming TW is lynch bait either? Am I missing the post? Below. On September 09 2016 20:12 NeverUnlucky wrote: If It takes you 4 hours to answer 3 fucking questions, mafia isn't for you. It's 100% your reads that aren't explained. "is cool" "is interesting" I like" aren't worth shit without backing up. HF is right, you're lynch bait. Then drop that lazy meta for a game. I didn't sign up for a lurkfest/laziest-person-wins! game. Still waiting for you to actually respond to my questions and stop being overly defensive. But yes, it is clear that I scum-read him. | ||
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On September 10 2016 02:11 Holyflare wrote: yeh but I'm not the one being openly abrasive about it "HF is right, you're lynch bait." Tell me what's abrasive about this. | ||
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On September 10 2016 02:16 Holyflare wrote: all of your posts come off like you have a massive stick rammed so far up your arse that you're poking people in the eyes with it by speaking Right, I am arrogant. How do you tie this up with being scum? | ||
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On September 10 2016 02:20 Holyflare wrote: apart from that time I called you scummy You also said that me not sheeping you made me scum and that me voting a Brit dude confirmed me as mafia, but this was trolling. | ||
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On September 10 2016 02:32 Calix wrote:I prefer to have the person I'm talking to answer my posts, not a spokesperson. A spokesperson, eh? I wasn't speaking on Vivax's behalf, the comments I made were my own. Cut off being cold n' oblivious to me. With all the inferences you've made so far, you're no better than the pussy-footing Cryptonic, SJ, and DW. Be direct or GTFO. I'd rather try and motivate myself to do that before EOD and see if I can find something. That whole 'finding shit that only scum would say' is why I'm not full-on scum-reading Vivax, by the way, because while scum COULD play like him, I don't recall him doing anything that only scum would do. Don't know if that makes much sense but that's where my thoughts are atm with him. He is my strongest town-read, so, yes, you will need to filter his posts and make a case on him for me to have a paradigm shift. | ||
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On September 10 2016 02:53 fuba wrote: I'd thought that "lynchbait" is when a player is prone to attracting votes as town, which would indicate a TW town read from NU, given that he doesn't have any knowledge of TW's meta. And I was well aware that this is contrary to his general thoughts on TW at that point in the game. That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip. Actually, mentioning that he's lynchbait is counterproductive to getting TW lynched, so why even mention it? Gonna need to think about this more after work - need my computer in front of me XD Odd that you change your stance on this point after Vivax and I called you out for it. Calling him bad =/= town-reading him. What does my knowledge of TW's meta have to do with any of this? "That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip." So you know he is going to flip town with the addition of the 'when'. I do not see why else you found the need to add this word after 'if' which is a conditional, meaning you know he's town. Scumslip. You're also trying to tie up TW's flip to me which is scummy as fuck. IE - X flipped town and was pushed by Y, therefore Y is scum. You are already setting up a mislynch on me knowing that TW will flip town. What makes you say that I wanted him lynched? Scum-read =/= desire to lynch Fuba is scum. | ||
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On September 10 2016 03:15 Skynx wrote: 3 ppl spend 3 pages discussing simplest mechanics literally. You get lynched, you can cop check for that night. Once per game only one of those who get lynched can vigi shot instead of a check. You get nk'd, you can protect someone following night. Anyway don't want to stir up mechanics discussion again but might aswell put my stance on it. I mean write whatever you want on your message, it can get manipulated so doesn't really matter what you put in it. However dead can decide on their collective vote accordingly to the message, if it is unchanged then their vote will be manipulated that they know for sure. If it is changed then you know your vote is safe. All of this is obvious and has already been said. Looks like a filler/fluff post. | ||
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On September 10 2016 03:18 Calix wrote:No. I cannot deal with your hypocrisy and smartass-ery. If you cannot be honest with me, I've nothing to do with you. "you're no better than the pussy-footing Cryptonic, SJ, and DW" - I laugh at this. x What makes you town-read him so strongly? If you don't want to explain yourself then just ignore this post and I'll take the hint. Basically all of the reasons you can think I would give to defend a tr and would discredit me for. | ||
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On September 10 2016 03:39 Skynx wrote: I'm so close to ignoring you forever. Shall i just lend you my password and let you play from my account? Anything I write seems to be inadequate for your whatever righteousness-o-meter. I let you know how I'm playing, I read through and comment on what I like and you keep saying "that's been mentioned", "fluff/filler post" whatever. As i said those 3 literally spent 3 pages filling their filter with stuff about mechanics and you call this one post useless. See, this was a good point. | ||
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On September 10 2016 04:06 Skynx wrote: Also NU, you're lucky Chezinu or Moosy are not in the game you would be on suicide watch otherwise. Lol, tell me about it. | ||
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On September 10 2016 04:20 Tumblewood wrote: idk who that is. I think hf's points on tt are mostly blown out of proportion if that's what you mean. posts are created faster than I can read and post about them all so until 2:15ish (pst) I can't really do that ok only seven games means you can probably be read by the tells I use for newbies, which leads me to call you town will be back soon (TM) wut You have some sort of chart with scumtells and amount of games played? Why do you even read newbies differently? It makes no sense. If Moosy and Cheruzin are like him, yes, I would be on the suicide watch. | ||
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Which filters did you look into? Vivax and Fuba? Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share. Why do you say "I can't say I town-read TT" rather than saying you sr/nr him? The wording is bizarre to say the least... Back to null-reading Calix. | ||
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On September 10 2016 04:50 Calix wrote: If you're claiming that he says that every game then it becomes NAI for him. Backing off from your read. 1. You really have to ask? You claimed that fuba 'scum slipped' and used the fail logic of 'conditionals are really scummy guise' (which you already know I disagree with) Uh, I said that the addition of 'when' to a conditional was scummy. Conditionals themselves are not. By adding 'when', he implied that he knew that TW was going to flip town. That's the slip. 2. Vivax and Fuba, yeah. x 3. Because I reread his posts and realised that the things I was individually suspecting him for didn't hold up when looking at the bigger picture of how he was playing. You have to admit that the timing is odd. 4. Because I can't say I town-read TT? Duh. Someone else being scummy doesn't invalidate the original reason that I scum-read TT. (which still hasn't been addressed iirc) What are you even expecting to get out of asking that? Why not just say you sr TT? It looks like there's a barrier between what you say and what you think, alike scums. 5. Good. I'd rather you fuck off. You knew exactly what you were getting into by /signing into this game. Of course I was going to annoy you, I am not ever giving you another free pass. I'm not fucking off, deal with it. | ||
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On September 10 2016 05:10 Calix wrote: 1. I'm not 'backing off my read' you moron. If someone does X thing every game, it means it's NAI. Nowhere did I say or imply that I was reconsidering my fuba scum-read because I'm not. 2. Point. 3. No it isn't. See below. The timing of your Vivax read switch is odd. Stop defending yourself on things I'm not even calling you out for, priss. 4. Because scum-reading TT and fuba doesn't make sense as I don't think both of them are on a scum team. Therefore one of them has to be town. But I don't actually have anything from TT's posts to town-read him. This isn't hard to comprehend. Yes, and I understand this... but it doesn't answer the question: Why did you choose this wording? 5. So you admit that you're specifically targeting me more than you would anyone else...because of one game where you deliberately chose not to read any of my posts and ended up losing the game for town. Holy shit. I've been targeting 5 other players as well, so, no, I am not 'specifically' targeting you. If you didn't act scummy, I wouldn't be arguing with you. The fact that you feel entitled to do that just because of a fuck-up that YOU made in another game is unbelievable. c: | ||
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On September 10 2016 06:26 fuba wrote: HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip. How is this not obvious? Lynch bait = Bad play. Nothing to do with SR/TR. Yes, I think he could be scum (if that wasn't already clear enough). What 'intentional misinterpretation' are you talking about? Why is your whole contribution this game only related to me and most specifically on this particular point? | ||
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On September 10 2016 06:33 Damdred wrote: Hf is probably the biggest voice/push in general that people generally sheep. Its preferable I get him sorted early and see if I agree with him vivax. Do you not agree? People... Why don't you make reads for yourself instead of relying on others? Damdred is the second person who explicitly said he was going to sheep a more vocal person. That's whack. | ||
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On September 10 2016 06:38 Tumblewood wrote: palmar disappoints me which is nai. waiting until he decides to play for real 2 down, 4 to go On September 10 2016 06:34 Tumblewood wrote: damdred is disappointing enough that I think he is scum. yea, phone stuff, but ehhh for now damdred is scum What's the difference between the two? Why is an argument scum indicative of one and NAI for the other? | ||
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On September 10 2016 06:39 Vivax wrote: @ Tumble What happened to your read on NU? Is there anything in particular that made you go from waffling on him to including him in your town list? He said something like "Oh, 7 games, he's a noob. According to my newbie tells, he is town." Go figure what that means, zzz. On September 10 2016 06:38 Tumblewood wrote: palmar disappoints me which is nai. waiting until he decides to play for real 2 down, 4 to go Forgot to add that you shouldn't wait for him to play, but rather pushing him to formulate a read on him, much like I did with Skynx. | ||
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On September 10 2016 06:46 Tumblewood wrote: grack is not as impressive as I once remembered him. demoted from probable town to null superbia has 6 pages so I am skimming and although he hasn't said anything smart yet I don't think he is scum. still see no reason to townread him though so slight townlean Saying smart things is NAI. You see no reason to town-read him, so you slight town-read him? lmao. | ||
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On September 10 2016 06:50 Tumblewood wrote: tictock is an appetizing plynch. especially since he was mediocre while he was here. I have 0 opposition to lynching him given that he isn't doing shit alive unrelated: do any of you think it is townie or just nai that super said he would lurk for most of D1 and didn't? I'm tempering my reaction because I know he could have not meant anything by it + Show Spoiler [cough cough] + kush Pretty sure it's NAI. He said he wouldn't be active in the following 28 hours due to traveling. He said he was going to be lurking before he received his role, so I think this is NAI. Would you say that you were good while you were here then? | ||
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On September 10 2016 07:11 fuba wrote: Though this also now depends on whether or not I believe UN's definition of lynchbait is what he says it is. If it's actually more like mine, and he's downplaying it, then he's scum. If it's actually the way he describes it, I'll have to rethink it when I'm not in my current bias-mode. I don't see how downplaying this would make me scum. Also, you don't even scum-read me for my content/tone, why are you nitpicking this? In any case, anybody who doubts that I'm town should ask for Calix's read on me. If she's town, and if she doesn't think that I've improved my scum play in the last month, she will say with confidence that I am town. | ||
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On September 10 2016 07:17 Damdred wrote: This looks like a town post, 5 points to anyone who can say why. Everybody can say why, nobody wants your '5 points'. He seemed frustrated towards me. Scum tend to have trouble faking emotion, sot that's why you think this looks like a town post. However, he replied defensively to my post which wasn't aggressive in the slightest. | ||
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On September 10 2016 08:38 fuba wrote: What did I change my mind about? Nothing really changed about what I said earlier, aside from my second from last sentence bringing up a point I hadn't considered before. Go read. I may have rushed my explanation, but I didn't think you were townreading him. That is why it's strange you would call him lynchbait in your first game with him. It implied believing TW was town despite your push against him. See, you're contradicting yourself again. You state that you didn't think that I was town-reading him, yet believe that I thought he was town. Town-reading someone IS thinking someone is town. Flimsiest "scumslip" I've ever heard of. Like, it's so insignificant that it's ridiculously hard to come up with any response. People say "if and when" all the time. They say it when they mean "if". It's not indicative of anything whatsoever. Very cool, very interesting, very dank. However, the question was: why did you feel the need to add 'when' in there? What does this word tell us that 'if' doesn't? Nothing, but implying that you knew that TW was town. I'm thinking about the game. That is what you are accusing me of. People decide that if something happens, it would likely indicate something else literally all the time. It's like a core aspect of the game. You're making it seem as though what I said requires that I know TW is town, which it does not. Whole point is null and void. (see how I could have just said null, but I said both together because it is a thing that people say?) You are only thinking about me and TW. All of your posts are about either of us. You're not thinking about the game. AGAIN, you talk theoretically without making connections to the game which is a scumtell! You're also saying this despite the fact that you strongly feel TW is scum. Do you see the problem here? You're saying both of us are scum, while at the same time saying that my supposition that a town TW could mean a scum UN is setting you up for a lynch. It's impossible in your scenario for both of us to be scum, but that is what you would have us believe. While I said that if TW flips town, you might be scum, you are calling me scum NOW for something that goes against your own belief in what's going on in the thread. I don't strongly feel that TW is scum, that's not true. The only read I am confident in is my Vivax TR. If I strongly felt that TW was scum, I'd be voting him. Lmao, you talk about pre-flip associations Day 1. I scum-read you both individually, not as a team. No one should read players off of others, especially not D1. I called you scum a while back, sir. What is the "something that goes against my own belief in what's going on in the thread"? That is, in fact, the definition of a scum read for me. Not sure how you could not want to lynch scum reads. I suppose that from your PoV as someone who plays with more scumreads than there are scum, you don't want to lynch them all maybe? However, this is a silly nonsensical thing to point out. It's obvious what I meant. I'm standing at 6 scum-reads, there are 3 scums. Of course I do not want to lynch all of my scum-reads even more so because I am not confident enough in most of them. Yes, it's a common thing for players not to systematically want to lynch their scum-reads. i.e. I wouldn't ever lynch Calix day 1 even if I scum-read her because she at least posts and tries to contribute, and I respect that. Going through this actually made me more confident in you being scum. Especially that second (technically third) response from the end. You're looking at the game as someone who has to make himself see people as scum because he knows they're not. The whole "lynchbait" thing doesn't even need to come into play, even though I still think it holds weight. If you look at my posts on people, it's clear that I do not know anyone's alignment. My reads have always been nuanced and always had reasoning (like it or not, I have reasoning to sr you). | ||
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On September 10 2016 08:50 fuba wrote: And before anyone mentions it, I am still voting for TT right now. If my post above didn't convince anyone, then I'm not going to have the impetus today and tomorrow to push it through. Scum NU doesn't eliminate scum TT as far as I can remember. I work tomorrow from 8am-4pm, which is the deadline. I may be able to pop in about 3-4 hours before that for a few minutes, but will be otherwise unavailable. Scum NU busses/sr his teammates before they're even scum-read fyi. Calix can confirm. | ||
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On September 10 2016 08:54 Tumblewood wrote: and holy shit NU is the next jealous yo NU you have a lot of learning to do[/QUOTE] Why thank you, Jealous is an awesome guy. yo NU you have a lot of learning to do Lmaooooooo, who the fuck said that Tumblewood was self-conscious? | ||
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On September 10 2016 09:40 Holyflare wrote: Simple facts are: TT posted no content TT's only posts wildly different from his town opening TT posted something that he couldn't/shouldn't have posted because of what he said TT has gone afk and done nothing But... he's not mafia? All of these points apply to TW. Why is TT a scum-read when TW is not? Worth noting that Shapelog has gone MIA. | ||
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On September 10 2016 10:06 Holyflare wrote: also totally novel read but I'm not town reading any of the new players at all I would feel concerned if you read our posts. | ||
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On September 10 2016 11:50 fuba wrote: This bugs the shit out of me, because you bitched so much about me not responding even though I told you exactly when I would respond. Then I respond, and you "don't feel like responding to this". You wanted it a short while ago, when you used it to make me look scummy. Now you don't? Ugh. Don't want to reply to this one either. Doesn't help that it's late. I wanted to take a break from this game because I was becoming too arrogant, wasn't having fun, and was pissing off Calix. I have. This doesn't clarify anything, only makes it harder for me to respond to you. x I have not once contradicted myself. If I'm pointing out a contradiction I've found in what YOU said, it doesn't mean I'm the one making a contradiction. The contradiction is that you are both supposedly scumreading TW, while at the same time declaring him town as lynchbait. That is the contradiction. I've debunked this shit 3x, Mr. Repeatomovich. Calling someone lynchbait isn't tagging him as town. And yes, you have contradicted yourself. You can't deny it. Completely ignored me. I've already responded to this. It's a ridiculous reason to scumread someone, and is not in any way a scumslip. It's actually impossible for it to be. Yet you still don't answer the question, lol. If it's a ridiculous point I made, you should be ale to respond to it without too much trouble, right? Why deflect from the question? So you're not players in the game? I've made clear connections to the game. You're the one talking theoretically. As I mentioned before, you're the one making calls now based on some perceived future theoretical town-flip of TW. You. Are. The. One. Talking. Theoretically. (at least in this dialogue between us that no one seems to want to comment on0 My point is that you've only talked about me and TW. That is not "thinking about the game", that is "thinking about two players". Your vote is on TT when you've made a total of 0 posts on him, it's senseless. I don't talk theoretically, you admitted it yourself. You said that the points I made on you are 'flimsy' though game-related. You are the one talking theoretically. I've proven this. I never made reference to a TW town flip, nor a TW scum flip... Where the fuck did you get this from? You gave reasons for me to be at least slightly townie 10 hours ago. You decided I was scum 7 hours ago. Wouldn't really call that "calling me scum a while back". In any case, you clearly thought TW was scum. The level of that read is irrelevant. And YOU ARE THE ONE TALKING ABOUT PRE FLIP ASSOCIATIONS DAY ONE AND VOTING ON THAT ASSOCIATION. I mentioned a single thing: that in the future if TW flips town then I would reinvestigate what you had said. This is not at all alignment indicative. Half of the game has already done that. You, however, are deciding that I'm setting you up for a lynch by doing so and voting me for that. Nearly exclusively. The rest being "I didn't like his posts earlier and he said 'when'". I realize that's minimizing what your actual arguments are from your point of view, but that's really all they are to me. Thanks for proving my point about having nuanced reads. All you have going for in the town spectrum of things is your tone. That's the sole town comment I made on you, 'reasons' should be singular. I 'decided [you] were scum 7 hours ago'? What kind of misrep is this? This guy is painting me as scum at this point. I've never talked about pre-flips/scumteams. False information AGAIN. No one else but you and HF has done that. Other exaggeration to try and make your points look better than they are. And I'm just going to repeat that my read on you has nothing to do with anyone else's alignment. Lmao, you said you kept your vote on TT because I wasn't voting him. Clearly you do pre-flips associations. I don't really know how to make it any clearer, but I guess I'll try. My first point was that you, while supposedly scumreading TW, called him lynchbait, which in my mind indicates you on some level see him as town. The thought was that the only reason you would say that is as an accident (because "town NU" thinks TW is scummy), and it would be because you ultimately know him to be town. It doesn't have anything to do with me knowing his alignment. He could be whatever. It's that the only reason you would call him lynchbait when you think he's scum, without knowing from previous games that he might be perceived as lynchbait by some people (i.e. you have no personal meta read of him) is that you know he is town in this game, and accidentally reveal that fact. However, if we simply have different definitions of lynchbait, most of this can't be guaranteed true. Stop fucking repeating yourself. I got what you meant the first time you said it. Saying the same shit for the 5th time now doesn't make your argument any more valid, lmao. It's as bad as it was to start with, and I said why. I think this little debate isn't really going anywhere. We play in different ways, so while I don't have scumreads unless I want to lynch them, you have plenty of scumreads and therefore don't want to lynch them all. Just gonna have to agree to disagree, and it doesn't really help the discussion. Kinda sorry I brought it up. x Perhaps the second to last sentence is true. You're right that I've mostly focused on this one scenario to the exclusion of much else. It's kind of what I do - see something and latch onto it. I still don't think I'm wrong, but I'll look at your filter tomorrow. Thing is, I feel like you can often distill entire games down into individual moments. Defining moments. Like someone accidentally revealing his scumread is town, or subconsciously allowing privileged information to color their reads and explanations of their reads on other players. x Except for a few points, this post of yours felt town to me. 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So, leading trains are: fuba (2): NeverUnlucky, Calix Tictock (3): Holyflare, fuba, Damdred Holyflare (2): Tumblewood, Grackaroni I like neither of the trains, including the one I have my vote on. My read on fuba has evolved, I null-read him at worst, lean-town-read him at best. Fuba hasn't said why he was voting TT, Damdred has too much blind faith in HF, so that leaves only one person who has given reasons to vote TT. And apparently some of the reasons given were NAI for TT, so his case looks to me as a lurker one. That's a shitty train (Though that slot is shitty). I scum-read TW, and null-read Grack, so that HF train isn't an appealing one to me either. TW's reasoning was a meta reasoning that looks like it applies to all of HF's games. Only Grack has substance to support his vote, and then again his points aren't ones I can relate to given some are meta points. I'm thinking of lynching Damdred right now. | ||
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Calix and Damdred are scums. Calix, kill me at night, this is another NU-solved-the-game game. It's in your best interest to end me. @HF, @Vivax -- vote Damdred. We get Calix tomorrow. | ||
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Look at how minimally confrontational his posts are. HF saw this in Damdred's play as well. He said that Damdred was acting too nicey nice. Dam tries not to get into any serious interaction to keep a low profile. This is confirmed by his reads only being town-reads. Some scum players have trouble assessing scumtells to town players because they know they are town. This applies to Damdred. Also, he has been reactive rather than proactive the time he was there. Scumtell. He has never answered the questions I asked him though that is NAI. His mindless sheeping and more importantly the fact that he called his vote a sheep vote shows that he wants to ML someone and then give all the ML credit to HF who is the one driving the train. His posts don't have town tone. Pre-flip association point: It doesn't help that Calix who has scumslipped at least twice is defending Damdred by saying the train on him is rushed. | ||
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On September 10 2016 23:14 Holyflare wrote: I'd vote calix with you but I don't have time to write out a case today/play but just know that I do agree she's pretty scummy after reading her filter and that atrocious post today. Also vote Ticktock with me, the logic is infallible and he's mafia. I agree with the points you've made, but I'm not convinced that he is mafia. Calix is 100% mafia to me. My vote stands where it is. | ||
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On September 10 2016 23:27 Holyflare wrote: I mean who says they've skimmed and haven't read properly and asks why there's votes on me but then in the same post explains why there's two people voting me???????????? ALSO who decides to note vote someone based on good evidence just because they semi don't read the 3!!!!! out of 13 people on the wagon???? Not to mention I'm pretty sure she town read me and agreed with my points. Also first 1/3 of filter is arguments with her town read NU. Rest of it is just lots of giving out free wishy washy town reads and flip flopping on vivax, I think there's one real case but that's on town Fuba. Also, she slipped when she talked about setup spec, saying that town had PRs. Someone who rolled town would know which town roles are in the game. That's the first thing they would check. Additionally, her LW talk seemed coming from a mafia trying to appear like he's helping town perspective. It in no way helped town. If anything, her proposition would have given mafia more freedom to frame those LWs. btw, I will not post a LW. Any LW attached to my death is a framed one. There's also the meta points that make her 100% mafia in my eyes. I will list them later if need be. @Calix, they're not the shitty meta-reads you usually get scum-read for i.e. being much less active than usual. They're actual things you've only said as scum and will only say as scum. | ||
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It's also wayyy too convenient that noone but Grack town-reads TT. | ||
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On September 11 2016 00:20 Grackaroni wrote: Just to be clear, HF: Am I the lynch plan tomorrow if TT flips town, mafia, or both? If he flips both, you're the lynch plan, yes. Calix should be the lynch today or tomorrow. No question here. | ||
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On September 11 2016 00:27 Grackaroni wrote: lol not you silly. And by the both I mean to ask whether I should be the lynch regardless of what TT flips. Yes, I know. What is your reads list like? | ||
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On September 11 2016 00:28 Holyflare wrote: also you say loads of people scum read tt but there's only 3 votes on him I say nobody town-reads him. Different. It's too convenient. | ||
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On September 11 2016 00:46 Calix wrote: I don't agree with lining up HF as a lynch for tomorrow which is what it looks like you're doing here. If you think HF could be scum pushing a bad wagon, just vote him now instead of doing this? Like what is your thought process here exactly? Can you please explain how you town-read fuba? I really do not see it. He is voting HF, dummy. Yes, it is bad to outright associate a ML to a scum. | ||
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I didn't say town had PRs to begin with. I already explained what I meant there...? You have no meta points on me. It's impossible for you to have any because you've only read ONE scum game of mine from FIVE MONTHS AGO. One game =/= meta. Again, you have no idea what my scum meta is. You're too focused on 'scum slips' which aren't scummy so I expect anything I say will be ignored by you. Honestly. Yes, you said town had PRs. You suggested that a sheriff-vig would leave in his LW who he checked, thus claiming town has PRs. Yes, I have meta points on you. I read TWO scum games of yours, plus I was in your last scum game. That's 3 games, scum. | ||
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On September 11 2016 01:03 Calix wrote: Someone lynched on Day 1 gets their LW published at the end of Night 1 which is AFTER they turn into a TPR. Not only is your argument false, it's not even a fucking slip. Which means they do not get the feedback of their check by the time their LW is posted. My argument stands strong, yours sucks. Show me these 'meta points' and I'll show you how you're wrong. If I told you them, you wouldn't be easily scum-read in the future. You mean that last scum game which you're tunneling me for this game because you want revenge? I am not tunneling you, lol. I don't want revenge against you, that game was my bad. It's incredibly obvious that's what you're doing, dude. If this is how you're going to be from now on, I'm just not going to play anymore with you. It's either "CALIX IS THE BEST" or "CALIX IS 100% SCUM" with no in-between. Can't just treat me like a normal player, can you? There is in between. In the first 24h you were a slight-scum-read, a scum-read, a null-read, and a town-read for me. You're just attempting to discredit my read on you by calling it personal when it's not. | ||
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On September 11 2016 01:23 Tumblewood wrote: no fuck that if I go and wreck your logic suddenly 50 more posts pop up that say that my logic is wrong or some shit and that is exactly what I am trying to avoid You have no logic. "I have no reason to town-read Superbia, so I'll lean-town-read him." | ||
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On September 11 2016 01:55 Calix wrote: Good question. I don't have a fucking clue. Grackaroni is looking townier the more he posts; nobody else scum-reads fuba; I town-read Vivax, you, Superbia, Palmar (shitty town-read but still); TT's train is shitty and if he's scum, then the scum are doing a horrendous job at diverting it (hardly anyone has questioned it which makes me wary)...I'm starting to feel like a lot of the scum are among the lurkers and I don't know how to sort them. Either that, or they are the sort who are good at looking townie on Day 1. Simple yet genuine question. Are you town? | ||
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Yes, moron. I really appreciate you going into the game with the intent to use meta when you knew full well that I moved to a different site precisely to avoid being 'meta-read' for retarded reasons. Thanks a fucking lot for ruining that. It was not my intent. I only came to this point after seeing you copy-paste your scumtelling post from FF7. I still apologize for doing it. I couldn't resist throwing meta in my read. Slap me. Instead of wasting more of my time with personality tests, try asking something useful I did. I asked you who was your target today. | ||
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On September 11 2016 02:31 Calix wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't copy-paste shit and why the actual fuck would anyone copy a post made in a SCUM GAME? You did. I'll show you post-game or after you flip. I don't know. I just think that Tictock is going to end in a mislynch because nobody is doing anything to stop his train. Grackaroni spent more time explaining how his posts weren't defending Tictock than he actually did diverting the train and I know I am town. That can ONLY MEAN TWO THINGS: 1. He is town. 2. The entire scum team are so inactive that they don't give a fuck about stopping a lynch on their team mate. Option 1 is infinitely more likely but I'm not sure how to stop it. I have the same feeling. What does you "knowing you are town" have to do with any of this? I think it's a combination of 1 & 2 -- ie He is town, and scum are inactive, letting town fight each other. I'll going to reread Holyflare given that he's the only alternative at the moment and I've yet to read his filter properly. I don't really town-read him but I don't scum-read him much either. Since I town-read you, your thoughts on him? He is not the only alternative. I'm mixed. His behavior draws so much attention to him that the only way I can see him being scum is if he is WIFOMing the "too scum to be scum" agenda. I'm leaning town though because throughout all of his scum-reads, none of the reasons he gave appeared as shade-throwing/scum painting, and some of his reads are nuanced. On September 11 2016 02:18 Calix wrote: Yes, moron. I really appreciate you going into the game with the intent to use meta when you knew full well that I moved to a different site precisely to avoid being 'meta-read' for retarded reasons. Thanks a fucking lot for ruining that. I'm even more convinced that you rolled scum. A town wouldn't change subject immediately after saying he is town. You are trying to minimalize the emphasis on your answer by doing so. | ||
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Calix, you're going to hate me even more than you do right now when you'll learn what my strategy coming into the game was (if you care to hear it). | ||
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On September 11 2016 03:16 Calix wrote: If both questions are WIFOM then how am I supposed to answer them exactly...? We don't KNOW what the scum are thinking. I am just going to the simplest conclusion of "TT is town and the scum are allowing him to get MLed" My theory only assumes that TT is town and the scum are not trying to defend him. Any other theories assume he is scum and that scum are using WIFOM in their strategies. Back to scum-reading Calix. | ||
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And DDD is right, mafia let their teammates die all the time. | ||
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On September 11 2016 03:40 Damdred wrote: Never lynching me d1, get over it move on Challenge accepted. | ||
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and super is lurking too more or less. He did say that he was going to be lurking through most of D1 before receiving his role. I think it's NAI. Damdred is the scummiest non-lurker here. Today is the day of the rope for him. | ||
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On September 11 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote: and to neverunlucky: you are incredibly tunneled. I would wager that at least two of your scumreads are wrong. you're doing the stupid thing townies do all the time which is act like they've solved the game before there's a single flip and then refuse to change their positions. your reads are not as good as you think they are. reevaluate your scumreads. reevaluate your townreads. do this frequently. Good, because I only have one scum-read right now. act like they've solved the game before there's a single flip and then refuse to change their positions. I'm not sure if you've read my posts this game... I've been constantly changing my positions back and forth, doing 180s everywhere. What makes you say that my positions haven't been changing? | ||
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On September 11 2016 03:48 Skynx wrote: Alright here is the deal people: TT is just soo hit and miss. He barely posted anything therefore no content to analyse properly. HF is tunnelled for whatever meta reason he has and blindly sheeping him is nuts. TT is basically a plynch at this point but there are 2-3 others with similar no content no opinion just shitposting filters. Can we please reconsider our lynch? Agreed. On September 11 2016 03:47 Tumblewood wrote: that's not even what we were discussing and you have a stupid amount of hubris this game but don't mind me, I'm acting Illogical and only Mafia ever do that. Good Townies are always Rational Actors who always back up their posts with Reason. Great job twisting my post around to make it say something it doesn't imply. | ||
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On September 11 2016 03:48 Calix wrote: I don't. What I was saying there is that there is enough doubt about TT's alignment that scum have room to make a more coordinated defense of TT/ attack of someone else. And I don't see why they wouldn't because bussing is a horrendous scum move. Although if I'm to trust TW, you guys actually bus on D1? wtf We do too, Calix. You are not acknowledging it because we always ML D1. When we don't scum are always bussing. If you don't bus, you're a shit tier player and should feel bad. | ||
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On September 11 2016 03:52 Calix wrote: Tumblewood, while I appreciate you calling out NU just because I agree, you're not going to have much luck in changing how he views things. He will just deny doing it and carry on making the same mistakes he's made the first dozen times. Bite me. | ||
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On September 11 2016 03:59 Calix wrote:I've had like, 10 scum games and I've yet to bus any of my partners aside from that one time one of my buddies got copped. What do you make of the fact that Damdred said "I'm never getting lynched D1" and then disappeared after we said we would vote for him? I find that timing curious but not sure if it's AI or just coincidence. You only got away with not bussing your mates because SC2 Mafia is the Motherland of scrubs-who-town-read-players-based-on-activity. I frankly have no opinion on this. What do you think of FM on this site? | ||
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On September 11 2016 04:13 Palmar wrote: yeah I'm not putting in effort enough today to change my mind and I was mildly attracted to HF's manliness before, so I'm just gonna sheep him. This guy needs to go. Seriously HOW OPPORTUNISTIC IS THIS FOR SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN "AFK" THROUGH THE WHOLE DAY? | ||
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On September 11 2016 04:21 Calix wrote: Can we actually decide on like, a decent target for EOD please? TT's train is terrible and if Palmar votes for him, that makes 3/4 sheep voters. If anyone town-reads Damdred or HF, then please speak up now. Everyone is just doing their own fucking thing at the moment. I'm down for seeing either Damdred or Palmar get into the noose. What bothers me the most about this TT case is that the players on his train say that he is scummy and deny that it's a PL. Like, I would actually be down for PLing him seeing as it doesn't look like he'll post and there are no replacements this game IF his lynch was a transparent PL. And it's not. The players on his train are shady. | ||
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On September 11 2016 04:33 Superbia wrote: He would have posted as town Y'all are trying to give scum motives to a lurker to cover up the fact that it is a PL. | ||
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@Skynx and TW -- PLing someone in this particular set up is bad. You're giving an AFK a PR essentially. Damdred is the best lynch for today from all perspectives. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:24 Calix wrote:I don't think I can do anything about TT's train. Nobody seems to find anything I say worth listening to. You are literally being ignored. This goes to show that TT is a ML, nobody but Palmar and HF are defending the train. 2/6 is bad. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:29 Damdred wrote: (I hope you feel better and I'm sorry I poked at you) Yet another instance of DDD acting all nicey-nice. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:32 Calix wrote: Skynx, how do you feel on HF? Not too sure on Super. I'm biased because I felt like he entered the thread in a way that scum wouldn't do. Neither am I. I however think the opposite: his "lynch me so I can be vigi" spam felt like he was trying to gain town cred, especially since he said that his own idea was bad 2-3 hours later. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:38 Tumblewood wrote: proposed scum teams: hf/shape/damdred hf/shape/super tt/super/palmar tt/damdred/palmar The middle two are wrong as Damdred isn't scum. How do you explain suggesting that HF would flip town? | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:41 Calix wrote: Okay, TW not responding to that post first thing is just making it more obvious. Meh, of the 10+ questions I've asked him this game he's answered 0. Might be his meta of not having any interaction. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:41 Superbia wrote: Naw if he's scum his team mates likely put some light defense on him, which is actually really smart. And Calix did say that she never busses her teammates... | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:42 Tumblewood wrote: I mean that he is not 100% mafia, which is what makes this game difficult. more like 80%. I called it a win-win because if he dies [AS TOWN you nincompoops] he shoots tt, and the other win is if he dies as scum well duh we lynched scum Makes sense. Really doubt this was a slip now. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:42 Damdred wrote: Thank you for confirming I'm not scum to you anymore lol | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:45 Calix wrote: NU, can you fuck off already? I'm not scum and I'm not scum with TT. His train is shitty. I am calling out said shitty train. Everyone is ignoring this and Superbia is trying to set up my mislynch if he flips town which is extremely likely. Hmm? I've been vocal about agreeing with you that it was a shit train and added some points to that aspect. I agree, too, that setting up your lynch BEFORE TT even flips is scummy AF. I have been against that train as well and only you are getting shit for it. It's egregious... | ||
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It's too late at this point. At max, we have 5 votes on. Even if we get 6, TT gets lynched because he reached 6 votes first. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:52 Vivax wrote: Names of people please. Only Calix comes to mind spontaneously. Me, to an extent. The train on him is utter shit. Also, @CALIX, why are you ignoring me now? I'm not being an ass anymore, you have no reason to dodge my posts as town. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:56 Calix wrote: I'm not dodging your posts. I'm just busy responding to everyone else who isn't obviously town. Priorities and shit. You should try voting for HF sometime. I do not think he is scum. Even if I voted for him, TT would be lynched if he's tied at 5-5 because he got to 5 votes first. | ||
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On September 11 2016 05:58 Palmar wrote: are non-voters instamodkilled? if so switch to tumble They're given a warning and they get modkilled after two no-votes. How is that a point against TW? | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:14 Calix wrote: Literally the argument against me is "Calix was correct that a shitty train was a mislynch before he flipped" Except I'm not using my 'correctness' to do anything. Again, no one has addressed this, but I WAS STRONGLY AGAINST TT's LYNCH TOO AND WAS VOCAL ABOUT IT. WHY ONLY CALIX IS GETTING SHIT FOR IT IS BEYOND ME. | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:08 Damdred wrote: Can we not blame anyone, it was a push and a lynch. Tjats how the game goes tbh and being condescending towards hf will only cause a nuclear war. But grac defending but not defending and calix chainsaw wifom defense is strange on retrospect "LET'S NOT BLAME THE ONES ON THE ML TRAIN, LET'S INSTEAD BLAME THE ONES WHO DIDN'T AGREE TO ML TT" SCUMMY AF. DAMDRED NEEDS TO GO. 100%. | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:23 Tumblewood wrote: the last will stuff falls into sketchy rules area that may or may not result in mid action. I'd be careful and check with a host first. and Scott should shoot Hf. something something "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" plus it means Hf won't get a chance to shoot calix You are so stupid. The Death Whisperer is 100% certain to be protecting one of the three scums N1. It's the night we have the least chance of making good use of your shawt. Plus, HF driving a ML doesn't make him scum. He had (bad) reasons to vote him, but he had reasons. People like Damdred, Shapelog, Fuba, and Superbia gave no reasoning whatsoever for this lynch. They are scummier than the one who drove the ML. Fact. | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:29 Grackaroni wrote: @Scott: I am 100% Ok with you randomizing a shot on anyone you are unsure of if you are shooting today. It is also perfectly fine to avoid shooting today. Just please don't shoot TW/Vivax/NU/Calix Add Fuba to that list IMO. You already know I am strongly against shooting N1, but if you do decide to shoot on that night, I would propose shooting Damdred/Shapelog. | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:31 Superbia wrote: Wild prediction: this guy is getting shot tonight. I actually predict that the mafia'll shoot Vivax over me because he has site experience and it would be framing you, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was found riddled with bullets tomorrow morning. Both of us are so widely tr'ed that we're as close as we can get to confirmed towns in this setup. Then again, they might WIFOM and shoot someone else. | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:43 Calix wrote: I would propose not directing the shot because I recall the scum have some Doctor role that allows them access to the TPR chats if they heal correctly or some shit. That's what I said 4 times, dear. >_> Also stop saying what I said. (^ Shapelog quote) Read the first 15 pages of this thread. Literally ALL of your posts were repeating what I had said 5 minutes earlier. All of them. Fuck off. | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:44 Superbia wrote: For an entire day and a half? Right at the point when pressure is applied to him? Was highly unlikely. The fact remains that TT was indeed objectively scummy and that people have defended him for completely shitty reasons. As it stands, we, as town, should always look at the people who defended him because: - There was literally no good reason to believe he is town as town because towns never know for certain. There simply is no(t enough) town-alignment-indicative information provided by TT to ever read him town, and all the reasons to put pressure on him and/or read him mafia. - Therefore; a town should never defend TT because they should never read him town. UNLESS it is strictly BECAUSE people are defending TT (mafia-defense etc.). - Also it is possible that a town null-reads TT but would much rather push his own target, but that's different from defending. If a train is utter shit, the trained player is in most cases TOWN. Calix and I have explained many times how the train was shit and that TT was most likely town given this. Do you not do VCA in TL? Also, we were pushing for Damdred, but it did not get attention because the scum were most likely drawing everyone's attention to TT, leaving our case in the shadows. | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:48 Superbia wrote: Did you have both me and Vivax as townreads? Someone needs to check at some point. Tbf I just think you're town, never a lynch target, and on the wrong side of the argument. Yes, I did have you as lean-town. What is your point though? Yes, TT's flip proved that, right? zzz | ||
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On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote: It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read. I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1. Given that Damdred only has town-reads and that you think that scum are more likely to town-read town, what is your read on him? | ||
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Vote Count Analysis. What Calix and I did to show that TT's lynch was most likely a ML, 3 hours before he was lynched. | ||
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Overall I think that her tone, actions, and black sheeping overshadow the scum vibes she gave me at the start. | ||
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On September 11 2016 07:19 Calix wrote: Your 'scum tells' and 'meta reads' are going to evaporate so hard when I flip. You forget how pigheaded I am. c: | ||
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For one, I can see his train of though evolving through his posts, and so his vote didn't feel forced. For two, and this point is sort of a contradiction to point one, he said that he was going to vote for He then started to argue with HF saying that his reasoning was bad and that he should feel bad. After, he says this On September 11 2016 05:00 Skynx wrote: The point is we're not lynching Damdred today. We need to form some sort of circle and decide on something. Let's ignore Palmar cuz ppl don't want to lynch him, which of Super, Shape, TT you want to lynch most? On September 11 2016 05:06 Skynx wrote: Shape's filter is ever so slightly better than I originally anticipated, I'm voting TT. Somehow TT sneaked into his lynch pool without previous notice. It's a big contradiction considering he disagreed with HF. For three, he says this On September 11 2016 05:16 Skynx wrote: Calix, if there is no obv scum plynches are ok D1. HF is trying to paint TT as scum but just ignore that its a plynch. He says that HF is painting TT as scum, but then votes him and says that it's a PL? I understand that he didn't have a strong scum-read, but voting someone who he acknowledges has aa shitty train on him is brutally bad when there were other possible PLs he himself proposed. The rest of his posts felt town, nothing to report. Conclusion: Despite his actions not matching his words and acting shady, I still think that Skynx is town because of his tone, his attempts to town-hunt (and thus scum-hunting by poe), his uncertainty, and his reasoning. Thoughts? | ||
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On September 11 2016 07:50 fuba wrote: That is an unfortunate flip. Gonna go subscribe to the replacement thread now :S What are your thoughts on the argument that Calix is scum for TT's town flip? Why did you vote TT? What are your reads? | ||
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On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote: Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not? And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy. In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad. Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy? | ||
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It's hard to believe he is a grammar nazi with his spelling however. @TW -- The game is not as clear cut as you make it to be. For instance, I am not against HF, Shape nor Super. I have liked both Super and Shape's recent post and still think that HF is town. It's much more complex than 'Group 1 vs Group 2'. | ||
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Calix -- Please tl;dr your 2 wall posts for me. Skynx -- Maybe you want to clarify some of the points I made on you for your own benefit. | ||
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On September 11 2016 22:15 Calix wrote: Fuck's sake N00b tl;dr - Self-centred and almost-exclusively talks about himself and responds to posts that mention him. - Always hides behind other players' ideas. (e.g., he waited for NU to talk about Skynx before saying Skynx was scummy; waited for HF/ Superbia to say "if TT is town, lynch Calix" before agreeing) - He takes safe/ popular positions in the thread, says nothing controversial whatsoever. - Had no interest in doing anything useful at EOD except for responding when called out, was content with the TT train and did not even bother discussing other options. So basically my opinions, except the arguments are fleshed out. Ok, ok. On September 11 2016 22:16 Skynx wrote: Let's say I got a train on to Super and some people followed me we kill him instead of someone who hasn't posted for 36 hours. I would be the kill almost 100% of the time D2. You are intentionally wrong sir. That's all sorts of wrong, lol. Driving a lynch on Superbia who you considered a PL wouldn't have made you a target for D2 even if he was to flip scum. Scum would target the confirmed town/the better players over someone who got a lucky coin flip in terms of PL. | ||
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On September 11 2016 22:16 Calix wrote: Yes. I think the best plan right now is for you to push the TW train and NU and I can push Damdred. I see no flaws with this. You see no flaws with this, eh? What even makes you say that TW/Damdread are a scum team? What happened to the "pre-flip associations zzz" Calix? I can agree with pushing Damdred. Right now I have a hangover, so you should push him for the time being, and I will take over when I don't feel dizzy. | ||
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On September 11 2016 22:24 Skynx wrote: Damdred is 100% scum. His meta read stating I normally put good cases and reasonings behind them is true. However EoD I discussed with TW, Calix and Vivax (I think?) how there was no obv scum and plynch was good here. Calix was trying to push Damdred for wrong reasons, I didn't agree to it. There was no case for me to make, I asked multiple times if anyone thinks someone was objectively scummy and make a case on it, no one came up. No one was scummy D1, TT was not the worst lynch overall. Lynching any other plynch yesterday (with slight exception of Palms) would be worse. "Damdred is 100% scum" "He's right, I make good cases" Make a case on him if you're that good and he's 100% scum. | ||
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On September 11 2016 22:31 Skynx wrote: Into Into Kill with fire guys. Good point. He flip-flopped his read on you thrice in that short amount of time. Does that make him scum though? I mean, I have 180'd some of my reads this game, and I am town. I could also see him evolving his read though my bias tells me he slipped. | ||
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On September 11 2016 22:31 Calix wrote: Try reading when you are not hungover, ya lightweight, and get back to me on that. Reading what? If there's something you want me to read either tl;dr it or quote-and-bold-it. I did not read the bigger posts you made earlier today, featherweight. | ||
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On September 11 2016 22:41 Calix wrote: It's scum-indicative because you're back-tracking on your only stated 'scum-read' so far. You look so cute when you post one-liners like this c: | ||
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On September 11 2016 22:45 Skynx wrote: Shape is a wierder case. I mean he agreed with Damdy for no reason, then nitpicked another reason I'm scum when i denied that very thing literally 2 posts later in my filter. Then he backed away from everything cuz it didn't make sense. Not sure if this is scummy actually. are you trolling Shape doesn't agree with Damdred, Shape thinks you are town, mang. | ||
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On September 11 2016 22:58 Calix wrote: You dropped your opinion while you were busy rehashing Shape's views, my dude. And you still haven't explained to me why TW/Damdred can be a thing. gogogo | ||
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On September 11 2016 23:22 Calix wrote: Go masturbate over your uselessness in the corner with NU pls. If everyone else has gone, I'm just going to check the thread from time to time. Talk about 'unrealistically egotistical types', zzz... | ||
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I actually liked his responses to your posts lately and am revising my read on him. If he becomes a town-read then I'm completely barking up the wrong trees as it means I have no other scum-reads. Vivax's posts in the second half of D1 really dropped in quality. I suspect him of laying back because he was town-read. He is no longer a strong read for me. | ||
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On September 12 2016 00:04 Calix wrote: You actually town-read his responses? He didn't respond to half of my points and brushed off my push as tunneling. I feel like you are focusing on the wrong things here. Town-read, no. I didn't scum-read them either. And lol @"he didn't respond to half of my points". When I was pushing you, you did not answer to all of my points either. That's not always AI. TW answered none of the 10+ questions I've asked him too. What are the right things I should be focusing on then? | ||
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On September 12 2016 00:12 NeverUnlucky wrote: Town-read, no. I didn't scum-read them either. And lol @"he didn't respond to half of my points". When I was pushing you, you did not answer to all of my points either. That's not always AI. TW answered none of the 10+ questions I've asked him too. What are the right things I should be focusing on then? answer all* I feel like you are the one who's focusing the wrong stuff. All that WIFOM talk was a waste of time, and I do not get the feeling that you are objectively reading DDD's responses. | ||
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Wait, are you claiming that you are pocketing me? Rhetorical question, obviously. How did you know that I was going to change my read? To your vivax point, it's possible but I'd like to,give him at least to d3. D2 we already have a few decent candidates I think. (Sky should be discussed, tw is one of,the top candidates) There's no wrong in havim than three canditates. This web-site should REALLY stop using the "Yeah, I too think he may be scum. Let's give him another day though." It's brutally bad in all aspects. Why are you already dismissing a Vivax possible lynch for D2 before D2 even started? Problem lies I have a lot of town reads and I get the feeling that one is wrong at least. Same. Like I think shape is townish now, so it leaves me in a place where it could be vivax/tumble/sky but that team doesn't feel right to me. You scum-read Vivax but don't want to have him as a potential lynch D2? Weird AF, and again being friendy-friend with the best players. | ||
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On September 12 2016 00:16 Calix wrote: That's not how it works. Damdred's scummy actions don't become less scummy just because he acted like non-scum elsewhere. Need I remind you that your actions were scummy af too? Does it make you scum? I don't think so. Why would it make DDD scum then? What do you make of TW and fuba's latest post? Don't remember TW's last post, and I did not read fuba's last post with a critical viewpoint. I liked the post, agreed with the points he made but did not dig into it in other words. When I said "the wrong things" I was complaining about you town-reading Vivax less because "his posts at EOD dropped in quality" even though this argument applies to most of the players in the game. It's a dumb reason to trust someone less is my point. ~(o.o)~ | ||
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You disregarded the points Calix and I made on DDD D1 because "lol, he will improve his play later on, meta", you don't want a lynch on someone you scum-read because meta says he will scumslip if he's scum, you said that TT wouldn't be inactive as town cuz' meta, etc. Like, all the points I can make on someone are somehow invalid because you think that you will be able to read everyone with meta. It's not how it should work. Meta can evolve, and you can try to play your town meta as scum. "Meta should be the icing on the cake not the whole fucking cake." | ||
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On September 12 2016 00:35 Calix wrote: To take a page from you for a moment, false equivalence. My actions are not scummy and my behaviour does not benefit the scum. You're just a scrub who thinks pronouns are a 'scum tell' rofl The last will talk only benefits the scum. You were giving town a guideline to follow so that the scum can frame the LWs accordingly and not look suspicious. Nice try. Eat a bag of dicks, asshole. + Show Spoiler + http://i.giphy.com/DMCHbTE0n9Nzq.gif I meant TW in general, not just his last post. Poor wording on my part. Poor wording = scum. You fell in the abyss I dug in front of your house as a trap, mob. His reasoning sucked for every argument he has made. Just look at the reason why he town-read me. (Something like "This is your 7th game, ok, I town-read you.) I hope for him it's NAI, but I can't know that. He has had very little interaction with anyone. Just looking at his filter shows this. Most of his posts aren't in reply to anybody else. He has not answered a single one of my many questions. Not sure if it's NAI in general or NAI for him, but I can see scum acting this way not to draw attention to himself. He, too, acts all nicey-nice. He spent more time and effort making a case on why you were town than why his sr HF was scum. Town should obviously be doing the opposite. It's more of a scum thing to do to a) protect a teammate b) get town cred c)pocket the person you are defending. Mischaracterizes a couple of things including how the game is being played (Group 1 vs Group 2). Town tone. I had other points on him before, but I do not remember them. I have him at null rn. O_O c: | ||
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On September 12 2016 01:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:Eat a bag of dicks, asshole. + Show Spoiler + http://i.giphy.com/DMCHbTE0n9Nzq.gif + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.giphy.com/DMCHbTE0n9Nzq.gif) | ||
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On September 12 2016 01:04 Calix wrote: I fail to see how you concluded 'null' after a ream of scummy or NAI behaviour unless you are really putting that much stock in your tone read. There's that. There's also the possibility of him just being a terrible player which would explain all of the scum points I made on him. He's either bad or scum in my world basically. | ||
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On September 12 2016 05:26 Holyflare wrote: how the fuck has nobody posted? ~~(^.^)~~ / \ | ||
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On September 12 2016 05:35 Grackaroni wrote: No but it's actually totally correct. It just doesn't look good enough because it's missing all of the pronouns. Right. Any good scum-read case has to deal with the use of pronouns. That's mafia 101. | ||
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On September 12 2016 05:38 Calix wrote: Grack, do you have any reasoning on how HF being a retard with TT is something he would only do as mafia? Because you say "his case is shit and he's pushing it way too hard" but when you get to the point where you say why it comes from scum!HF, you only use meta references which are terrible. Do you have any reasoning for why it can't be town!HF tunneling? Also I laugh at the line "TUMBLEWOOD IS THE ONLY PERSON BEING REASONABLE" in literally any context this game. I appreciate you listing all of TW's terrible scum-reads though. Welcome back. I'm back to scum-reading you. Yeah, saying TW is reasonable is like saying Mother Teresa was a child molester. | ||
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On September 12 2016 05:43 Damdred wrote: Hi, maybe I'll be shot by Scott maybe not in any case I'm not submitting a lazy will as I just haven't had time to dig past what I've already talked about. If I make it tomorrow it's worthwhile to take a look at lazy votes who just kind of fucked off or didn't care to consolidate. Vivax and palmar must answer those questions posed to,them as well. What "lazy votes" are you referring to specifically? | ||
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On September 12 2016 05:43 Calix wrote: Cool story. Pretty sure Grack was taking the piss out of you with regards to pronouns, rofl. Yes, he was. Happy that you were able to read his sarcasm. | ||
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On September 12 2016 05:52 Calix wrote: lol NU, you want to lynch me on my birthday? I see how it is. Oh, shit, you didn't tell me it was on the 13th! It's okay, you will have 22 hours to celebrate before meeting Mr. Rope. | ||
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On September 12 2016 05:59 Grackaroni wrote: inb4 Calix/NU die Is this another scumclaim? | ||
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Calix scum-read Fuba, Skynx, Vivax, and Damdred. Those are the ones I would look into first. | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:16 Damdred wrote: How the fuck was I pushing a calix lynch? Maybe you weren't. Who was then? I know for a fact that Superbia and HF said that Calix not hopping on the ML train made her scummy. What's your guys' opinion on the kill? | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:18 Tumblewood wrote: is this a joke I am literally getting lynched for being too right Mother Teresa hit kids with a belt while they were sleeping. | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:20 Tumblewood wrote: holy shit this gives me an idea can you guys ride me out until I'm wrong? if Hf isn't mafia we just afk vote me. Again, you lack reason. That's not how it works. Mother Teresa kidnapped children. | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: how do you have an opinion on the kill? she's dead. the obvious conclusion to draw from it is that I'm town, but that's none of my business. What? What? What? What? What? WHAT THE FUCK?! | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:24 Tumblewood wrote: calix was alive mafia submitted a kill for calix now calix is dead that's my opinion on the kill. You remind me why some mothers drown their children. Why do you think that Mafia chose Calix specifically is what I am asking. | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:35 Holyflare wrote: it was a bad kill That's not what I am looking for. I'm looking for the 'WHY'? | ||
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Cone-shaped head dress = Shapelog too. If that's scott's lw, he thinks it's Vivax/Shape/Palmar. Skynx, what is your opinion on the kill? | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:43 Skynx wrote: We don't have medic protection yet lynches=copcheck/vig, scumslip? Both Damdred and HF TMI'd saying that killing Calix was a medic dodge. SCUMSLIP. | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:44 Skynx wrote: Kill is sweet as a nut, solid kill I'd never lynch Calix. Answer my previous question, why you wrote he sr'd me cuz he never did and he defended me when necessary. Maybe she did. I did not look back. | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:48 Holyflare wrote: getting the setup wrong is the opposite of a scum slip you moron It's not getting the setup wrong, it's TMIing why Calix was killed. SCUMSLIP. | ||
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Palmar is not one of them I don't think. | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:52 Holyflare wrote: if there's no medic protect then how the fuck is it tmi that she's a medic dodge?? Both of you read the setup wrong, and that's why you killed her. You convinced each other that there was a doc in the mafia chat, and so you killed someone who you considered a mafia dodge. TMI. TMI. TMI. | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:56 Holyflare wrote: If you believe in slips then why didn't you believe in the tumblewood slips? His defence of the slip made sense for once. | ||
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On September 12 2016 06:57 Grackaroni wrote: Pretty much everything is a scum slip for NU. I've already made 2 or 3. <3 Calix would agree. | ||
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On September 12 2016 07:07 Damdred wrote: Hf does an nu/tw team make sense to you? It sort of does me. Calix was his first scum read couldn't get them lynched. Tries to frame people for,things even though it's clear threatens doing them and keeps pushing shade for meh reasons and,ignoring tw even though he's been somewhat against him,but not,enough to,directly push him. [*]I scum-read TW throughout Day 1. [*]Calix town-read me to the max, it doesn't make sense for me to kill her. [*]She was my first scum-read for a short bit of time. [*]I'm not ignoring TW. He is ignoring me. [*]Calix told you how obvious my scum-meta is. If she town-read me so hard this time around, you should trust her and go along with it. [*]Most importantly, I am town, so that scumteam is impossible. | ||
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this dude has put a lot more effort into this game and actually posted a whole wall of text on why somebody should be TOWN and that person got shot That's a great remark. | ||
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On September 12 2016 07:37 Holyflare wrote: i spent fucking forever figuring out he was actually talking to me You agree with the scum-team he proposed? | ||
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On September 12 2016 07:50 Holyflare wrote: he didn't propose the scum team at all Hmm, why would he talk about a cone-hat (Shapelog's avatar), Vienna (Vivax is Austrian), and Puleum (Plamar reference?) then? | ||
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On September 12 2016 07:56 Holyflare wrote: how is puleum a palmar reference??? idk, thats what Skynx said. He knows Plamar better than me. | ||
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On September 12 2016 07:55 Vivax wrote: He said I'm forcing town to wear dunce caps I think. More or less saying that anyone listening to me is an idiot. I think Still doesn't explain the Vienna and cone hat reference. | ||
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On September 04 2016 17:24 scott31337 wrote: /obs He doesn't have less information than anyone, he was following this game. IMO he is saying that Damdred is scum. | ||
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On September 12 2016 08:12 Holyflare wrote: I'm heavily of the opinion it was edited by you. I did not know that it referred to 1267 before you pointed it out. I didn't even think it was referencing a scum-team possibility before Skynx said so. | ||
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On September 12 2016 08:17 Grackaroni wrote: Nobody edited the post, HF. Scum need to save that for when there are actual checks in the game not to hide whatever Scott thinks. Plus it would be stupid to edit a LW of an empty slot. Really is a waste of a limited charge ability. | ||
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On September 12 2016 08:19 Palmar wrote: And even if your analysis is correct, I'm fairly sure it simply means that he's checking damdred. aka, we should follow his vote if it's on damdred, except of course for the fact mafia can fuck with his vote so we might as well ignore this until like day 3 or 4 or whatever superbia and I came up with on day 1. That's more like it. I think Plamar is right here. Mafia would have needed to decide to mess with his vote before the day aka before his LW showed up. | ||
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On September 12 2016 08:25 Palmar wrote: yes, TW should 100% be the vote right now, even if you're unsure about him being mafia he should be backed into a corner and made to fight. But he's probably just scum so whatever. Should've switched with me last night. Clearly I was ahead of the curve. I am taking the gamble that mafia did not choose to mess with scott's vote today, and so I propose we sheep his vote if he votes Damdred in the last hour of the day. | ||
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On September 12 2016 08:59 Holyflare wrote: Hey scott if you're reading this your vote is likely to get manipulated now so my bad. Uhhh also you should vote on the name on /m11 if damdred is mafia What is /m11? | ||
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On September 12 2016 09:16 Tumblewood wrote: again, the case hinges on me being town if I flip town will everyone promise to lynch hf no matter what? wow this is strange. I do not mean to sound like I am conceding to my lynch already, because I can 100% fight it. but have you tried casing hf? shit's demoralizing. his filter is a labyrinth. I do not want to lynch you today, but if once again the lynch is out of my control, I cannot promise I will look into HF more seriously. I think both of you are town with the latest posts. My vote stays on Damdred. Even scott agreed that he was scummy enough to make a cop check on him. Calix was pushing him, and look where she is now. Damdred's just silently sheeping and pocketing the most vocal player in the game, and that is not looking good as he can yell louder than me and drive more MLs while Damdred is on the loose. You should settle your case on HF and look into DD, seriously. | ||
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On September 12 2016 09:22 Holyflare wrote: You should be more concerned about finding mafia that isn't me because so far all you've done is give a shit tonne of easy town reads and given up on your obvious hf is mafia read. Stick your head out of your ass for a moment and look at Damdred and at how he is trying to pocket you. Do you realise that you are only tunneling the low hanging fruits? (AFK guy, lynchbait-TW) | ||
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Look at how reactive and passive/friendly he has been. Please take a moment to read his filter and/or Calix's case with this in mind, dude. His case was overshadowed by the cases you made on TT and TW because you are a louder voice and because scum drew even more attention to them, dismissing the case on DD. The two 100% town (Scott and Cal) found him suspicious: Calie was tunneling and scum-reading him, scott called a check on Damdred. | ||
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On September 12 2016 09:29 Holyflare wrote: And I've given very very extremely good reasons for tw to be mafia. I'm the one who even called him lynch bait and defended him from being shitty scum read. Sometimes lynch bait is mafia. This is what you look like ![[image loading]](http://weebobby.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/photo3.jpg) Reconsider your sodding tunnel. | ||
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On September 12 2016 09:44 Holyflare wrote: Why is Tumblewood town nu? You've given 0 reasons. I've given two. He has a town tone and he isn't afraid of going against the consensus of the thread unlike Damdred. | ||
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On September 12 2016 09:45 Holyflare wrote: Unless you quote my posts wnd counter arguments made then why should i vote anyone other than tw? I won't argue with you... Because I'm too lazy to do it. Because you are too stubborn to listen to me and change your read read. Because TW is a bad player and is hard to defend. Nonetheless, you should not vote for him because it looks like Déjà vu. We're setting up a replay of D1 at this rate. | ||
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DD, on the other hand, is playing the foreman and suggesting lynches here and there without ever following his propositions himself. He lets you pick up on what he thinks and be the spokesperson of the ML. | ||
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On September 12 2016 09:52 Holyflare wrote: I can talk about other people tomorrow but unless you counter an argument, the entire point of playing a game of mafia, then I won't change my vote. You'll find me much more reasonable to talk to/discuss cases with tomorrow. I'm busier during the weekdays, but I will try to find some spare time to sit down and counter your arguments. Would help if you could quote specific posts so I don't have to look back in your filter. | ||
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On September 12 2016 09:54 Holyflare wrote: Unless you give more than fear mongering and rhetoric with 0 reasons he could be town then same as above no dice. Calix has done that. | ||
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I do like that you are (?) self-aware of your play though I do not know if the points you made are true as this is the first time I've played with you. You definitely act more like a town than a scum, I will say that. | ||
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On September 12 2016 12:20 Grackaroni wrote: Dunno if you're still here Fuba. When I said this before I was thinking the same thing as you on TW. His posting just seems very genuine, and I don't actually think my case on HF was any better than his case. I'm pretty sure HF has already pushed on four townies this game in TT/Calix/NU/TW. I do think that mafia should be more likely to actually read through the setup to figure out their night actions, so saying that mafia were afraid of a medic could be a point in people's favor. He didn't really push me tbh. The "Kill NU for pushing a UK guy" was more of a troll than it was a push. | ||
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His posts display honesty that I don't think scum would have, and I can relate to his post-ML posts. For instance, he said that he himself didn't believe that TT was going to flip scum towards EoD. That's very honest, and I think that scum would be more inclined to act like Damdred did re: saying that TT was the best lynch for that day because he was objectively scummy. I don't see why scum!HF would have admitted to backing off his own lynch he was advertising his own lynch which makes him look scummy. I can relate to this post because I, too, had a game where I led 2 MLs, and towards the EoD I admitted that I wasn't confident in the lynches I was driving. It made me look scummy, but I was honest. That's another reason why I think HF is town. I've to go, bb in 6 hours. | ||
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On September 12 2016 23:30 Damdred wrote: Its not logic its just the truth, you kill the people you think will most likely solve the game. Its not really a point either way. And Calix was scum-reading you... Palmar, I don't like that your only wall-post is in response to TW's shitty case. Why did you bother analyzing this post rather than the 1000+ posts before? | ||
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Do you believe in a full scum lurking team? | ||
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Could also vote Plamar and Shapelog cuz they're lurking to some extent. | ||
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Excuses already used: Computer died and I had a fever. Place your bets. | ||
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Palmar, your reasoning to town-read me is so bad -- I've done much more AI stuff that could warrant me a town-read than this. Shapelog still hasn't posted. Watch him pop in at EoD again just to cast his vote. Scummy behavior. I'm not very confident in lynching Fuba. I'd rather we wait for the ghost's votes and see if Scott got a red check on DDD. Happy birthday, Grack and Calix! | ||
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On September 13 2016 23:00 Palmar wrote: We definitely should get a few more votes on Damdred Plamar, you are wise. | ||
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Good job lynching scum. Based on his flip, I'm inclined to think that Damdred and/or Skynx are mafia as well. Skynx was proposing a PL D1, and said that Shapelog's filter felt town, so he dismissed/diverted the possibility of this lynch. Damdred had some nicey-nice interaction with Shapelog. Would anybody summarize the main things that happened @ EoD please? | ||
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Spectral (can be used even if dead). Twice per game during the day, you can manipulate the vote of one spectral faction (ghosts or spirits). .You need to activate this ability before the end of the previous night. You cannot use both charges the same day | ||
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On September 14 2016 07:43 Holyflare wrote: Well tw probably mafia and any of nu/sky wouldn't surprise me either. I'm town. | ||
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On September 14 2016 08:03 Palmar wrote: if I'm wrong on damdred then nu looks a lot less good. Right. I've school and am playing two games at a time, I can't post as much as I did before. My alignment hasn't changed though. I am town. | ||
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Plus, Shapelog has made 2 posts during N1 where he threw shade on me. That speaks for itself. My attention span for this game is limited now. I'll probably just sheep HF because I'm certain he is town. | ||
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On September 14 2016 07:35 Damdred wrote: Obviously it's more apparent to me but I doubt both mafia are on shape, one probably on me one on shape. I'm inclined to think both were on you. If Shape had gotten 1 less vote, you'd have been lynched. If mafia bussed their teammate to death and town cleared you, it's really a bad play (Unless both you and shape are maf and this was a ploy). | ||
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Day 1 Tictock (6): Holyflare, fuba, Damdred,Skynx, Superbia, Shapelog Holyflare (3): Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Calix Tumblewood (1): Palmar Superbia (1): Vivax Damdred (1): NeverUnlucky, Day 2 Shapelog (6): Vengeful Spirits, Tumblewood, Vivax, Holyflare, Skynx, Damdred Damdred (5): Benevolent Ghosts, NeverUnlucky, Palmar, fuba,Superbia Superbia (1): Grackaroni Fuba and Superbia were apart of the mislynch and weren't apart of the scum lynch. | ||
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On September 14 2016 08:22 NeverUnlucky wrote: If you can't read me from my latest posts, you can always filter what I've said earlier or trust Calix who stated I was "obvious town" day 1. She's the only person who knows how obvious my scumplay is. She would know I'm town. Plus, Shapelog has made 2 posts during N1 where he threw shade on me. That speaks for itself. My attention span for this game is limited now. I'll probably just sheep HF because I'm certain he is town. Also, I am the one who was making the remarks of Shapelog going MIA the three times he did. | ||
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On September 15 2016 03:19 Skynx wrote: Super I need to reconsider, aswell as fuba. Palmar is an excellent vig target if there is ever one. Damdred is prolly town. TW, Vivax, Grack should never be lynched. *drumroll* NU is also prolly scum, I'll make a case first thing tomorrow. If I don't die tonight that is. HF is other one. Easy game folks. I am town, therefore "easy game" is not easy game. | ||
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On September 15 2016 06:28 Grackaroni wrote: Calix/Skynx do seem like NU kills to me. Skynx was pushing you. You were pushing Skynx. I'm not sure why mafia would want to shoot into there if you're town and it's not NU. I was expecting the shot to hit somebody not being pushed at all like Vivax or maybe a small chance of me lol. I am not mafia. As I said, Shape threw shade on me, and I called out Shape 3 times for going MIA. Calix tr the shit out of me and she's the only one who knows how obvious my scum play is (AS SCUM I'VE ALWAYS BEEN THE FIRST LYNCH). It makes no sense for me to kill her when I would have her pocketed. Skynx... why the fuck is he associated with me? I would have killed HF/TW who are 100% town if I was mafia. Look at my behavior and tell me what is scummy. Right now I'm being scum-read by assocaition, not from my play. You throwing shade on me for those kills makes me think you are mafia and are framing me. And actually, Grack is very likely to be mafia looking at the VCA and at how unconfident he was of his own D1 case of HF. | ||
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On September 15 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote: the nks did not come from nu. first of all, nu is not mafia. second, even if he were his partners wouldn't let him choose because he's new. Plus I was busy and very inactive from this thread since Monday. It would be senseless for me to propose a NK when I've skipped 20 pages from 95 to 115. | ||
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Why would scott think that Skynx is a good vigi shot? | ||
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On September 15 2016 06:43 Holyflare wrote: OH ALSO I'VE TOTALLY REMEMBERED THE VIVAX BS THING HANG ON Calix was the only one scum-reading Vivax. Vivax makes sense. I don't know why he would kill Skyx though. | ||
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On September 15 2016 06:41 Holyflare wrote: wow you're so easily convinced by the guy that has no opinion on the mafia team that has two people left, why couldn't nu decide a kill? I have stated my opinion -- Earlier the VCA led me to think fuba/Super. Now I'm thinking Grack/Vivax. DDD is town cleared in my book. | ||
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On September 15 2016 07:18 Holyflare wrote: nobody said he's 100% mafia but that was a terrible kill and likely not a pro mafia player or vivax Would you kindly actually fucking read me instead of scum-reading me by NK association? Give me reasons why I would have killed either Calix or Skynx. I don't see anything other than WIFOM. | ||
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On September 15 2016 07:57 Holyflare wrote: Whoever is town out of palmar/vivax/nu I've been inactive throughout D2/N2. I wasn't a good kill. Plamar has put low effort into the game, don't see why anybody would make killing him a priority. Vivax I can agree if he's town. To me HF/TW were the best kills because they're lock town and HF is the most vocal player. | ||
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On September 15 2016 08:15 fuba wrote: Is the town clear based on the opposing lynches, or something additional? Hmm, I was thinking that because the vote was so close the two scum were on DDD's train. However, now I can see it being two scum trains, and the scum decided to bus their inactive member to keep their more active member and gain town cred/be town cleared. | ||
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On September 15 2016 08:17 Grackaroni wrote: NU what site are you/Calix from? SC2 Mafia. Jealous plays there from time to time. If you don't like lurkerfests, don't go there. | ||
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On September 15 2016 08:31 Grackaroni wrote: I was going to try to check but it doesn't look easy. I'll take your word on being bad at mafia because I remember Calix was shitting on your scum play earlier. The reason I said that about the night kills is that there actually aren't a lot of people I could see killing Skynx. A lot of people way overvalue certain players i.e. why some people think Palmar would be a good kill here. First mafia game, lynched D1 after slipping on post #1. Second mafia game, first lynch again. Scum conceded right after. | ||
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On September 15 2016 10:01 Grackaroni wrote: lol nope I just had a total epiphany between the minute I posted that and right now. Holyflare killed Skynx because in his mind he's going to look strange in LYLO for not dying even though nobody else is thinking that. It makes way more sense than that same reasoning being applied to Vivax because I don't think Vivax would ever think that. I don't understand why you make those conclusions. I would find it suspicious that HF hasn't died in LYLO as scum has the possibility of disabling all protection. It seems like you are trying to frame HF here because you are giving YOUR reasoning to why HF wasn't killed and are expecting others to agree with it by presenting it as a fact. Why would Vivax not think that? On September 15 2016 09:37 Holyflare wrote: Also I'm going to trust that Calix would have left a last will or voted nu if he was mafia so I can town read him without reading a single thing he's saying and flame calix if she's wrong end game I want to change alignment just to see that happening. | ||
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On September 15 2016 10:31 Grackaroni wrote: It's actually not because HF didn't die. I didn't expect HF to die. HF was saying that Vivax made the kill for that reason which made me realize that this would be a more plausible motive for HF than Vivax. You went from "Holyflare killed Skynx because in his mind he's going to look strange in LYLO for not dying even though nobody else is thinking that. " to "more plausible motive" in two posts. Inconsistent to say the least. Regardless it's not going to convince anyone of anything. Why are you making a case/post if your goal is not to convince? You are marginalizing your own posts. And I get that you think that HF is super townie but I don't think you understand that HF is a really strong mafia player. Definitely in the running for the best on this site. He's super active and opinionated regardless of alignment. Yes, I understand that he's a great player. That doesn't make him scummy nor does it change my stance on him. I never said that activity nor opinions were AI. | ||
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On September 15 2016 19:36 Palmar wrote: we murder damdred because useless. day 2 was scum vs scum wagons. Plamar whyy | ||
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I've read/skimmed TW and HF's cases on Vivax and HF and neither convinced me. I think I will vote Damdred by default because I do not fathom why a Shapelog train was created so quickly at EoD. I definitely think there was bussing in there, as Calix and I are town, I tr fuba and am null on Palmar and Super. I doubt the two mafia are in there, so I think that lynch was to keep the active player that was going to be lynched otherwise alive. I've asked this question earlier and my theory wasn't debunked. Else, why would everyone be so eager to divert the train to Shape? (If he slipped at EoD, correct me. I have skipped this part.) | ||
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On September 16 2016 20:19 Superbia wrote: Unless NU is mafia, then he would focus his actions on Calix, I believe. Well I'm not mafia, so come up with a better theory. I have more free time today starting in 6 hours as well as this weekend. Maybe I'll kick myself to start trying again. | ||
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I've had my share of proactive play when I had more interest in the game. On September 16 2016 20:29 Superbia wrote: Anything to add NU? Or just lurking until someone mentions you may be mafia? The latter. | ||
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On September 17 2016 05:55 Holyflare wrote: I'm not voting damdred over vivax and I don't care. On September 17 2016 05:54 Damdred wrote: Yeah I don't want to vote with fuba even if it kills me. That flip flop makes 0 sense in any progression. Hf hammer me if you have to but yrah That's town af. | ||
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On September 17 2016 05:58 Palmar wrote: neither of them voting to save themselves lulz 100% team Why would they manipulate the votes on themselves? | ||
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Vivax, where is your case on me? | ||
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On September 17 2016 07:03 Grackaroni wrote: Skynx's will directs you to pg 120 with the three news stories calling NU scum. Top 3 in 2 consecutive Olympics could be saying that Calix agrees with the read. Hmm, and Shape was dead so his lw isn't framed. I am pretty sure the benevolent ghost would agree with the read, so I doubt that it is what the top 3 thing was referring to. | ||
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On September 17 2016 07:33 Superbia wrote: Why doesn't this refer to HF? It's the top page. Also something about British? That makes more sense. Skynx thought HF was scum. | ||
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On September 17 2016 07:41 Tumblewood wrote: how good do you people think NU is at scum? no way he plays this good as scum I haven't played good. I stopped trying half-way into D2. That's bad. ALSO -- Notice how Grack has been pushing HF D1 when HF was pushing TT (White-knight), was the lone vote on Super D2, he got HF MLed, and now he instantly turns on me? | ||
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On September 17 2016 07:38 Palmar wrote: why couldn't mafia kill the shit newbie and left the good one alive? My D1 play and contributions were better than your play and contributions this whole game. So much for being #1. | ||
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Day 1 final votecount Tictock (6): Holyflare, fuba, Damdred, Skynx, Superbia, Shapelog Holyflare (3):Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Calix Tumblewood (1): Palmar Superbia (1): Vivax Damdred (1):NeverUnlucky Day 2 final votecount Shapelog (6): Vengeful Spirits, Tumblewood, Vivax, Holyflare, Skynx, Damdred Damdred (5): Benevolent Ghosts, NeverUnlucky, Palmar, fuba, Superbia Superbia (1): Grackaroni Day 3 final votecount Holyflare (4): Vengeful Spirits, Vivax, Grackaroni, fuba Damdred (4): Benevolent Ghosts, Palmar, Tumblewood, Superbia Vivax (3): Holyflare, Damdred, NeverUnlucky I have added TW and Damdred to the list of confirmed town because that's what they are in my eyes. I am confirmed town to myself, but my voting pattern is way off, so I won't include myself in green. Players participated in: Fuba: 2MLs, no scum lynch. Palmar: No scum lynch, always voted a conf town. NU: No scum lynch, voted DDD twice, and third vote was meaningless. Grack: No scum lynch, voted HF twice, and was a lone vote on Superbia. Superbia: 1 ML, voted DDD twice. Vivax: Got scum lynched, MLed twice. FUBA. PALMAR. GRACKARONI. 2/3 are scum imo just from VCA. Palmar needs to be lynched tomorrow. | ||
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On September 17 2016 08:38 Damdred wrote: Why bot superbia in that list of three? I trust her for whatever reason. | ||
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Knowing what HF is capable of has nothing to do with my read on him. Being a good player doesn't make him less town. WTF is this argument? I always flip my reads. | ||
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On September 18 2016 02:58 Palmar wrote: if I die: Vivax is never mafia. NU is probably not mafia one of superbia/TW/grack/fuba is mafia Damdred is 100% mafia Where is this coming from? | ||
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On September 18 2016 06:52 Palmar wrote: the dw is dead isn't he? You would be the first person to know. | ||
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On September 18 2016 07:02 Palmar wrote: oh well fuck this hf would have shot vivax, every time. I remember he said he was going to shoot X if he was lynched. I just don't remember who X was. | ||
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On September 19 2016 20:45 Superbia wrote: Also what the hell is your strategy/thought process as town NU? In general or in this game? In general it would be to find the scum by myself. This game my strategy is to get carried. | ||
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On September 20 2016 02:15 Grackaroni wrote: Only 4 hours until dead Palmar. Glad to see we're getting all of my favorite lynches in this game. In the unlikely scenario that you're town you'll probably get to shoot Me or Damdred or whoever you'd like. Grack is mafia. | ||
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Souperbia would be my follow-up town-read. Then Grack for this post On September 11 2016 05:45 Grackaroni wrote: I'll just say that these guys are all town Holyflare (2): Tumblewood, Grackaroni Damdred (2): NeverUnlucky, Calix Superbia (1) Vivax I really don't think the TT lynch will end well. and for being the first one to vote Plamar on D3. This dude's likely town. Vivax is prolly the last mob. Lix and Skynx had their sights on that dude at EoD. Fuba would be my second guess. :3 Worth noting that Plamar had a hard on TW for D1 and D2 and that TW was the one starting the Shapey train. | ||
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On September 20 2016 06:37 Grackaroni wrote: RNG save between person saved last night and Damdred who is also confirmed now. Town auto-wins, dude. We have two confirmed town. As long as the ghosts keep one of them alive for the whole game, town wins. We'll just lynch Vivax/Fuba in whatever order, the last scum cannot kill both TW and Damdred. | ||
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On September 20 2016 16:42 Superbia wrote: I haven't done shit for 1/2 of the game and still have produced 1/6 of the game's content. :D Well | ||
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On September 20 2016 16:42 Superbia wrote: I haven't done shit for 1/2 of the game and still have produced 1/6 of the game's content. :D done, | ||
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On September 20 2016 16:42 Superbia wrote: I haven't done shit for 1/2 of the game and still have produced 1/6 of the game's content. :D you | ||
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On September 20 2016 16:42 Superbia wrote: I haven't done shit for 1/2 of the game and still have produced 1/6 of the game's content. :D proud. | ||
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On September 20 2016 13:52 Tumblewood wrote: and whoever our last scum is must be a sleeper scum, because I have been sleeping on everyone still alive except super. tier list probably goes decent lynches (vivax > super) > paranoia lynches (in which fuba > grack > damdred) > literally never lynch (me, nu). 80% of the time or so it is one of the two decent lynches, I'd say. hoping I die tonight so you can all do the work of figuring out who the scum is and I can avoid the blame if you mess up or take credit anyway if you don't Why do you have Damdred more than than me? Do you think Plamar was just bussing him? | ||
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On September 20 2016 22:56 Superbia wrote: Hey. The way I talk is literally like a train of thought. Most of it is very relevant, I just don't condense my thoughts into one big post. Ain't nobody got no time for that. My point is that you are bragging of having posted 1/6 of the thread's posts when what you really did is spam it. | ||
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On September 21 2016 06:29 Damdred wrote: Sorry for lack luster performance, I thought I said a fee towniest things but overall I played badly. Can't wait to have my new phone, will not play until that occurs though. Also to never and calix was super nice to play with you guys and hope to see you around more. To skynx well our tunnels weren't good but once we realized it made some decent moves. Cheers Live you hf. Also I had the most amazing nee York strip while I was out for anniversary was amazing. Ty rels for a great game Thanks for the comment. I very much liked the player base over here. Compared to the people from my homesite (myself included), you guys were overall more critical, harder to read, and funnier. I apologize for dropping the ball very early on and being so misguided thereafter. My reads were all over the place, and I sucked big time, lol. I just lost interest in FM as a whole. After my break, I probably will play a few other games with Jealous on here. | ||
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On September 21 2016 09:25 Tumblewood wrote: hey calix and NU, you were both lots of fun to play with. I'm glad to see you signing up for another game on this site and hope you sign up for more. calix seems like a good player already and NU got much better throughout the game from what I saw.  "calix seems like a good player already and NU got much better throughout the game from what I saw. " The way it's formulated. :') It's okay. I know I sucked. I will probably play some more games over here with Jealous after my break from FM. | ||
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On September 21 2016 11:10 scott31337 wrote: I glanced over the chat Bene QT earlier but reading it now it's so good so much to quote but you just need to read it for yourself. esp d4 Waouuuh! I read D4 and Calix roasted me pretty good. Calix, when's the diss track coming out? :p Also, what are your thoughts on this site? | ||
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