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On September 10 2016 02:32 Calix wrote:I prefer to have the person I'm talking to answer my posts, not a spokesperson.
A spokesperson, eh? I wasn't speaking on Vivax's behalf, the comments I made were my own.
Cut off being cold n' oblivious to me. With all the inferences you've made so far, you're no better than the pussy-footing Cryptonic, SJ, and DW. Be direct or GTFO.
I'd rather try and motivate myself to do that before EOD and see if I can find something. That whole 'finding shit that only scum would say' is why I'm not full-on scum-reading Vivax, by the way, because while scum COULD play like him, I don't recall him doing anything that only scum would do. Don't know if that makes much sense but that's where my thoughts are atm with him.
He is my strongest town-read, so, yes, you will need to filter his posts and make a case on him for me to have a paradigm shift.
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On September 10 2016 02:53 fuba wrote:
I'd thought that "lynchbait" is when a player is prone to attracting votes as town, which would indicate a TW town read from NU, given that he doesn't have any knowledge of TW's meta. And I was well aware that this is contrary to his general thoughts on TW at that point in the game. That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip.
Actually, mentioning that he's lynchbait is counterproductive to getting TW lynched, so why even mention it? Gonna need to think about this more after work - need my computer in front of me XD
Odd that you change your stance on this point after Vivax and I called you out for it.
Calling him bad =/= town-reading him.
What does my knowledge of TW's meta have to do with any of this?
"That's why I wouldn't really revisit it unless TW flips town (if/when that happens). I.E. if TW flips town, this could have been a slip."
So you know he is going to flip town with the addition of the 'when'. I do not see why else you found the need to add this word after 'if' which is a conditional, meaning you know he's town. Scumslip.
You're also trying to tie up TW's flip to me which is scummy as fuck. IE - X flipped town and was pushed by Y, therefore Y is scum. You are already setting up a mislynch on me knowing that TW will flip town.
What makes you say that I wanted him lynched? Scum-read =/= desire to lynch
Fuba is scum.
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On September 10 2016 03:15 Skynx wrote:
3 ppl spend 3 pages discussing simplest mechanics literally.
You get lynched, you can cop check for that night. Once per game only one of those who get lynched can vigi shot instead of a check.
You get nk'd, you can protect someone following night.
Anyway don't want to stir up mechanics discussion again but might aswell put my stance on it.
I mean write whatever you want on your message, it can get manipulated so doesn't really matter what you put in it. However dead can decide on their collective vote accordingly to the message, if it is unchanged then their vote will be manipulated that they know for sure. If it is changed then you know your vote is safe.
All of this is obvious and has already been said. Looks like a filler/fluff post.
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On September 10 2016 03:18 Calix wrote:No.
I cannot deal with your hypocrisy and smartass-ery. If you cannot be honest with me, I've nothing to do with you.
"you're no better than the pussy-footing Cryptonic, SJ, and DW" - I laugh at this.
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What makes you town-read him so strongly? If you don't want to explain yourself then just ignore this post and I'll take the hint.
Basically all of the reasons you can think I would give to defend a tr and would discredit me for.
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On September 10 2016 03:39 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 10 2016 03:15 Skynx wrote:
3 ppl spend 3 pages discussing simplest mechanics literally.
You get lynched, you can cop check for that night. Once per game only one of those who get lynched can vigi shot instead of a check.
You get nk'd, you can protect someone following night.
Anyway don't want to stir up mechanics discussion again but might aswell put my stance on it.
I mean write whatever you want on your message, it can get manipulated so doesn't really matter what you put in it. However dead can decide on their collective vote accordingly to the message, if it is unchanged then their vote will be manipulated that they know for sure. If it is changed then you know your vote is safe. All of this is obvious and has already been said. Looks like a filler/fluff post. I'm so close to ignoring you forever. Shall i just lend you my password and let you play from my account? Anything I write seems to be inadequate for your whatever righteousness-o-meter. I let you know how I'm playing, I read through and comment on what I like and you keep saying "that's been mentioned", "fluff/filler post" whatever. As i said those 3 literally spent 3 pages filling their filter with stuff about mechanics and you call this one post useless.
See, this was a good point.
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On September 10 2016 04:06 Skynx wrote:
Also NU, you're lucky Chezinu or Moosy are not in the game you would be on suicide watch otherwise.
Lol, tell me about it.
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On September 10 2016 04:20 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:58 Superbia wrote:On September 10 2016 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
actually I am too waffly on NU to call him fully town just yet. he is too experienced and too wtf for me to make a newbie call. but I think he is town, even though he does stupid shit like have 5 scumreads or argue about how I need to explain everything Cool talk about mafia pls. idk who that is. I think hf's points on tt are mostly blown out of proportion if that's what you mean. posts are created faster than I can read and post about them all so until 2:15ish (pst) I can't really do that Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 10 2016 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
actually I am too waffly on NU to call him fully town just yet. he is too experienced and too wtf for me to make a newbie call. but I think he is town, even though he does stupid shit like have 5 scumreads or argue about how I need to explain everything This is my 7th FM game. I'm not too experienced for anyone to read. How the fuck do you call me too experienced and newbie in the same sentence? There are two methods to find the scum: 1. Go for town-reads and find scum by PoE. 2. Find the scumminess in players' posts. We all use both manners, but we tend to favor one over the other. For instance, Damdred only has town-reads so far, so he has a preference for 1., while I have 5 scum-reads, so I like 2. better. Having 5 scum-reads is neither stupid nor AI. How about... ... you actually explain 'everything'? I won't ask you to explain anything if you do explain them, zzz. ok only seven games means you can probably be read by the tells I use for newbies, which leads me to call you town will be back soon (TM)
wut
You have some sort of chart with scumtells and amount of games played?
Why do you even read newbies differently? It makes no sense.
If Moosy and Cheruzin are like him, yes, I would be on the suicide watch.
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What was sensationalist about meh post?
Which filters did you look into? Vivax and Fuba?
Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share.
Why do you say "I can't say I town-read TT" rather than saying you sr/nr him? The wording is bizarre to say the least...
Back to null-reading Calix.
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On September 10 2016 04:50 Calix wrote:
If you're claiming that he says that every game then it becomes NAI for him.
Backing off from your read.
1. You really have to ask? You claimed that fuba 'scum slipped' and used the fail logic of 'conditionals are really scummy guise' (which you already know I disagree with)
Uh, I said that the addition of 'when' to a conditional was scummy. Conditionals themselves are not. By adding 'when', he implied that he knew that TW was going to flip town. That's the slip.
2. Vivax and Fuba, yeah.
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3. Because I reread his posts and realised that the things I was individually suspecting him for didn't hold up when looking at the bigger picture of how he was playing.
You have to admit that the timing is odd.
4. Because I can't say I town-read TT? Duh. Someone else being scummy doesn't invalidate the original reason that I scum-read TT. (which still hasn't been addressed iirc) What are you even expecting to get out of asking that?
Why not just say you sr TT? It looks like there's a barrier between what you say and what you think, alike scums.
5. Good. I'd rather you fuck off.
You knew exactly what you were getting into by /signing into this game. Of course I was going to annoy you, I am not ever giving you another free pass. I'm not fucking off, deal with it.
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On September 10 2016 05:10 Calix wrote:
1. I'm not 'backing off my read' you moron. If someone does X thing every game, it means it's NAI. Nowhere did I say or imply that I was reconsidering my fuba scum-read because I'm not.
2. Point.
3. No it isn't. See below.
The timing of your Vivax read switch is odd. Stop defending yourself on things I'm not even calling you out for, priss.
4. Because scum-reading TT and fuba doesn't make sense as I don't think both of them are on a scum team. Therefore one of them has to be town. But I don't actually have anything from TT's posts to town-read him. This isn't hard to comprehend.
Yes, and I understand this... but it doesn't answer the question: Why did you choose this wording?
5. So you admit that you're specifically targeting me more than you would anyone else...because of one game where you deliberately chose not to read any of my posts and ended up losing the game for town. Holy shit.
I've been targeting 5 other players as well, so, no, I am not 'specifically' targeting you. If you didn't act scummy, I wouldn't be arguing with you.
The fact that you feel entitled to do that just because of a fuck-up that YOU made in another game is unbelievable.
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On September 10 2016 06:26 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 06:08 Vivax wrote:On September 10 2016 04:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share.
I don't see anything wrong about this? Isn't she allowed to have a few reads that are the same as yours? Or to change her mind? Doesn't really seem like a reason to be suspicious of anything to me. I'm glad somebody else sees that fuba is playing very timidly to say the least. On top of it he attacked you with superbia for calling TW lynch bait, but not HF. Seems especially strange cause you were more vocal about the opinion on TW. HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip. How is this not obvious?
Lynch bait = Bad play. Nothing to do with SR/TR.
Yes, I think he could be scum (if that wasn't already clear enough).
What 'intentional misinterpretation' are you talking about?
Why is your whole contribution this game only related to me and most specifically on this particular point?
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On September 10 2016 06:33 Damdred wrote:
Hf is probably the biggest voice/push in general that people generally sheep. Its preferable I get him sorted early and see if I agree with him vivax. Do you not agree?
People... Why don't you make reads for yourself instead of relying on others?
Damdred is the second person who explicitly said he was going to sheep a more vocal person. That's whack.
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On September 10 2016 06:38 Tumblewood wrote:
palmar disappoints me which is nai. waiting until he decides to play for real
2 down, 4 to go
On September 10 2016 06:34 Tumblewood wrote:
damdred is disappointing enough that I think he is scum. yea, phone stuff, but ehhh for now damdred is scum
What's the difference between the two? Why is an argument scum indicative of one and NAI for the other?
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On September 10 2016 06:39 Vivax wrote:
@ Tumble
What happened to your read on NU? Is there anything in particular that made you go from waffling on him to including him in your town list?
He said something like "Oh, 7 games, he's a noob. According to my newbie tells, he is town." Go figure what that means, zzz.
On September 10 2016 06:38 Tumblewood wrote:
palmar disappoints me which is nai. waiting until he decides to play for real
2 down, 4 to go
Forgot to add that you shouldn't wait for him to play, but rather pushing him to formulate a read on him, much like I did with Skynx.
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On September 10 2016 06:46 Tumblewood wrote:
grack is not as impressive as I once remembered him. demoted from probable town to null
superbia has 6 pages so I am skimming and although he hasn't said anything smart yet I don't think he is scum. still see no reason to townread him though so slight townlean
Saying smart things is NAI.
You see no reason to town-read him, so you slight town-read him? lmao.
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On September 10 2016 06:50 Tumblewood wrote:tictock is an appetizing plynch. especially since he was mediocre while he was here. I have 0 opposition to lynching him given that he isn't doing shit alive unrelated: do any of you think it is townie or just nai that super said he would lurk for most of D1 and didn't? I'm tempering my reaction because I know he could have not meant anything by it + Show Spoiler [cough cough] + but it makes him look a little better imo
Pretty sure it's NAI. He said he wouldn't be active in the following 28 hours due to traveling. He said he was going to be lurking before he received his role, so I think this is NAI.
Would you say that you were good while you were here then?
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^ Yes, it is what he thinks I did. I think he did the same thing in another post (to which he hasn't replied).
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On September 10 2016 07:11 fuba wrote:
Though this also now depends on whether or not I believe UN's definition of lynchbait is what he says it is. If it's actually more like mine, and he's downplaying it, then he's scum. If it's actually the way he describes it, I'll have to rethink it when I'm not in my current bias-mode.
I don't see how downplaying this would make me scum.
Also, you don't even scum-read me for my content/tone, why are you nitpicking this?
In any case, anybody who doubts that I'm town should ask for Calix's read on me. If she's town, and if she doesn't think that I've improved my scum play in the last month, she will say with confidence that I am town.
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On September 10 2016 07:17 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 07:12 fuba wrote:On September 10 2016 07:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
^ Yes, it is what he thinks I did. I think he did the same thing in another post (to which he hasn't replied). Chill. That will be handled on a point-by-point basis when I'm home. This looks like a town post, 5 points to anyone who can say why.
Everybody can say why, nobody wants your '5 points'.
He seemed frustrated towards me. Scum tend to have trouble faking emotion, sot that's why you think this looks like a town post.
However, he replied defensively to my post which wasn't aggressive in the slightest.
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I really don't feel like responding to this. Wanted to take a step back from this game.
On September 10 2016 08:38 fuba wrote:
What did I change my mind about? Nothing really changed about what I said earlier, aside from my second from last sentence bringing up a point I hadn't considered before.
Go read.
I may have rushed my explanation, but I didn't think you were townreading him. That is why it's strange you would call him lynchbait in your first game with him. It implied believing TW was town despite your push against him.
See, you're contradicting yourself again. You state that you didn't think that I was town-reading him, yet believe that I thought he was town. Town-reading someone IS thinking someone is town.
Flimsiest "scumslip" I've ever heard of. Like, it's so insignificant that it's ridiculously hard to come up with any response. People say "if and when" all the time. They say it when they mean "if". It's not indicative of anything whatsoever.
Very cool, very interesting, very dank.
However, the question was: why did you feel the need to add 'when' in there? What does this word tell us that 'if' doesn't? Nothing, but implying that you knew that TW was town.
I'm thinking about the game. That is what you are accusing me of. People decide that if something happens, it would likely indicate something else literally all the time. It's like a core aspect of the game. You're making it seem as though what I said requires that I know TW is town, which it does not. Whole point is null and void. (see how I could have just said null, but I said both together because it is a thing that people say?)
You are only thinking about me and TW. All of your posts are about either of us. You're not thinking about the game.
AGAIN, you talk theoretically without making connections to the game which is a scumtell!
You're also saying this despite the fact that you strongly feel TW is scum. Do you see the problem here? You're saying both of us are scum, while at the same time saying that my supposition that a town TW could mean a scum UN is setting you up for a lynch. It's impossible in your scenario for both of us to be scum, but that is what you would have us believe. While I said that if TW flips town, you might be scum, you are calling me scum NOW for something that goes against your own belief in what's going on in the thread.
I don't strongly feel that TW is scum, that's not true. The only read I am confident in is my Vivax TR. If I strongly felt that TW was scum, I'd be voting him.
Lmao, you talk about pre-flip associations Day 1. I scum-read you both individually, not as a team. No one should read players off of others, especially not D1.
I called you scum a while back, sir.
What is the "something that goes against my own belief in what's going on in the thread"?
That is, in fact, the definition of a scum read for me. Not sure how you could not want to lynch scum reads. I suppose that from your PoV as someone who plays with more scumreads than there are scum, you don't want to lynch them all maybe? However, this is a silly nonsensical thing to point out. It's obvious what I meant.
I'm standing at 6 scum-reads, there are 3 scums. Of course I do not want to lynch all of my scum-reads even more so because I am not confident enough in most of them.
Yes, it's a common thing for players not to systematically want to lynch their scum-reads. i.e. I wouldn't ever lynch Calix day 1 even if I scum-read her because she at least posts and tries to contribute, and I respect that.
Going through this actually made me more confident in you being scum. Especially that second (technically third) response from the end. You're looking at the game as someone who has to make himself see people as scum because he knows they're not. The whole "lynchbait" thing doesn't even need to come into play, even though I still think it holds weight.
If you look at my posts on people, it's clear that I do not know anyone's alignment. My reads have always been nuanced and always had reasoning (like it or not, I have reasoning to sr you).
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