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On September 10 2016 04:22 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 04:19 Holyflare wrote:
yes just like a town palmar is possible of doing What do you mean? His entire filter has like no content at all he has been around, had time to react on stuff. You saying we should just ignore all that and tr him cuz it fits his meta?
This man speaks the truth. A wagon on Palmar is something we need at some point if we want him to do anything at all. Preferably today, or monday. He won't do stuff until he's in danger of being lynched. If he keeps posting like this I won't be able to make a call on his alignment, cause right now he certainly didn't post enough.
On September 10 2016 04:20 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:58 Superbia wrote:On September 10 2016 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
actually I am too waffly on NU to call him fully town just yet. he is too experienced and too wtf for me to make a newbie call. but I think he is town, even though he does stupid shit like have 5 scumreads or argue about how I need to explain everything Cool talk about mafia pls. idk who that is. I think hf's points on tt are mostly blown out of proportion if that's what you mean. posts are created faster than I can read and post about them all so until 2:15ish (pst) I can't really do that Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 10 2016 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
actually I am too waffly on NU to call him fully town just yet. he is too experienced and too wtf for me to make a newbie call. but I think he is town, even though he does stupid shit like have 5 scumreads or argue about how I need to explain everything This is my 7th FM game. I'm not too experienced for anyone to read. How the fuck do you call me too experienced and newbie in the same sentence? There are two methods to find the scum: 1. Go for town-reads and find scum by PoE. 2. Find the scumminess in players' posts. We all use both manners, but we tend to favor one over the other. For instance, Damdred only has town-reads so far, so he has a preference for 1., while I have 5 scum-reads, so I like 2. better. Having 5 scum-reads is neither stupid nor AI. How about... ... you actually explain 'everything'? I won't ask you to explain anything if you do explain them, zzz. ok only seven games means you can probably be read by the tells I use for newbies, which leads me to call you town will be back soon (TM)
Agree with the bolded. TTs opener was shitty, but I don't see how the rest of his filter is forced. He certainly doesn't deserve a townread, but neither a scumread as of yet. He should definitely post more. I found TT to be an easy-ish townread once he started getting involved.
For HF it doesn't mean much cause he opens aggressively in every game.
If anyone ate that bait it was probably superbia, but his opinion on TT wasn't fleshed out in my memory. I got the feeling he was just comfy with HFs opinion, in a world where HF is town. Then proceeded to scumread TW by association (something about TWs read on TT not being townish iirc).
The overall feeling was that he just inserted himself along with HF somewhat pretending he doesn't exist.
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On September 10 2016 06:22 Tumblewood wrote:
oh yeah and add fuba to that circle. both of you site newbies should stop voting him because he is probably town
Start explaining why then, put it in relation to the points I brought up. Other than fuba is cool and a joke about him being scum there is no info about it your filter.
And what's that lazy TL meta nonsense I just spotted? Lies and slander.
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On September 10 2016 06:26 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 06:08 Vivax wrote:On September 10 2016 04:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share.
I don't see anything wrong about this? Isn't she allowed to have a few reads that are the same as yours? Or to change her mind? Doesn't really seem like a reason to be suspicious of anything to me. I'm glad somebody else sees that fuba is playing very timidly to say the least. On top of it he attacked you with superbia for calling TW lynch bait, but not HF. Seems especially strange cause you were more vocal about the opinion on TW. HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip. How is this not obvious?
FYI Tumble is not lynch bait. When he started playing around here he was perfectly capable of concise , informative posts with lists and reasoning and stuff, and he was jailkeeper a while back and got NKd N1. Not lynched.
Not sure why he's started to go into wobbly land with his posting, but when he posts differently than in those games it's never a bad call to lynch him.
And what does this have to do with you bitching about NU for using that term but not finding it suspicious in the slightest in HF? Is there any particular wording I missed that NU used that makes it more worth noticing?
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On September 10 2016 06:33 Damdred wrote:
Hf is probably the biggest voice/push in general that people generally sheep. Its preferable I get him sorted early and see if I agree with him vivax. Do you not agree?
My policy with HF is to leave him on the backfire early game then decide later about his alignment. I'd only sheep him D1 in rare cases, and lynch him D1 in no cases.
Need to make sure the thread is nice, orderly and with not too much information flying around constantly to start any arguments with him, should one decide to go for his lynch.
@ Tumble
What happened to your read on NU? Is there anything in particular that made you go from waffling on him to including him in your town list?
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Going to be ballsy and call town on Grack btw. I dived his scum game a short while back and it's nothing like him. He pretends to be helpful there. Here he's openly defiant, jokes, and even posts pictures.
HF is invited to fight me over this.
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Superbia lurking or not is irrelevant. He instead chose to do the opposite and spam 3 pages of one liners while setup talking. Probably cause it's the exact opposite of what he announced he'd do.
And your reasoning on him is really shoddy as well. "Superbia has not done something that would make him town, but I don't think he's scum, hence he's a slight townlean". Wut? At least give us another reason for you believing he's town, even if it's something unimpressive.
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On September 10 2016 06:58 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 06:44 fuba wrote:On September 10 2016 06:33 Vivax wrote:On September 10 2016 06:26 fuba wrote:On September 10 2016 06:08 Vivax wrote:On September 10 2016 04:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share.
I don't see anything wrong about this? Isn't she allowed to have a few reads that are the same as yours? Or to change her mind? Doesn't really seem like a reason to be suspicious of anything to me. I'm glad somebody else sees that fuba is playing very timidly to say the least. On top of it he attacked you with superbia for calling TW lynch bait, but not HF. Seems especially strange cause you were more vocal about the opinion on TW. HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip. How is this not obvious? FYI Tumble is not lynch bait. When he started playing around here he was perfectly capable of concise , informative posts with lists and reasoning and stuff, and he was jailkeeper a while back and got NKd N1. Not lynched. Not sure why he's started to go into wobbly land with his posting, but when he posts differently than in those games it's never a bad call to lynch him. And what does this have to do with you bitching about NU for using that term but not finding it suspicious in the slightest in HF? Is there any particular wording I missed that NU used that makes it more worth noticing? I could at least see HF having a different view of TW than you. I read the first few pages of the last game and thought TW was scum. HF was there, and said he had felt the same. In any case, it doesn't matter, because he at least has a right to an opinion of whether TW is lynchbait or not. He's seen him play as town before. NU has not. He has no reference point from which to call TW lynchbait. Except for this game. You are lynchbait if, as town, you behave in a scummy manner. UN only has this game from which to draw a conclusion. As I say this, I realize that I'm assuming it's his first game here rather than one of his first games here. However, assuming he's never played with TW before, my point stands strong. No response vivax?
It's a response that seemed reasonable, but that's it. In the context of him actually scumreading TW, I don't see how you reach the conclusion that he's mafia for calling him lynch bait in whatever way.
I assume you think he spewed him town there having TMI? Important question.
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On September 10 2016 07:08 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 07:03 Vivax wrote:On September 10 2016 06:58 fuba wrote:On September 10 2016 06:44 fuba wrote:On September 10 2016 06:33 Vivax wrote:On September 10 2016 06:26 fuba wrote:On September 10 2016 06:08 Vivax wrote:On September 10 2016 04:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Why do you now think Vivax may be town? It looks self-serving that you state that you now town-read Vivax and scum-read Fuba in the same post. Especially since you are following my vote and these two reads are ones I share.
I don't see anything wrong about this? Isn't she allowed to have a few reads that are the same as yours? Or to change her mind? Doesn't really seem like a reason to be suspicious of anything to me. I'm glad somebody else sees that fuba is playing very timidly to say the least. On top of it he attacked you with superbia for calling TW lynch bait, but not HF. Seems especially strange cause you were more vocal about the opinion on TW. HF has the right to call TW lynchbait based off of meta. NU has to call him lynchbait based on his knowledge from this game. Which means he thinks or knows that TW is town. If that is not the case, then he should just think he is scum. Calling him lynchbait is at the least inconsistent with his scumread of TW. At worst it is a slip. And his intentional misinterpretation of the post he quoted is making me think slip. How is this not obvious? FYI Tumble is not lynch bait. When he started playing around here he was perfectly capable of concise , informative posts with lists and reasoning and stuff, and he was jailkeeper a while back and got NKd N1. Not lynched. Not sure why he's started to go into wobbly land with his posting, but when he posts differently than in those games it's never a bad call to lynch him. And what does this have to do with you bitching about NU for using that term but not finding it suspicious in the slightest in HF? Is there any particular wording I missed that NU used that makes it more worth noticing? I could at least see HF having a different view of TW than you. I read the first few pages of the last game and thought TW was scum. HF was there, and said he had felt the same. In any case, it doesn't matter, because he at least has a right to an opinion of whether TW is lynchbait or not. He's seen him play as town before. NU has not. He has no reference point from which to call TW lynchbait. Except for this game. You are lynchbait if, as town, you behave in a scummy manner. UN only has this game from which to draw a conclusion. As I say this, I realize that I'm assuming it's his first game here rather than one of his first games here. However, assuming he's never played with TW before, my point stands strong. No response vivax? It's a response that seemed reasonable, but that's it. In the context of him actually scumreading TW, I don't see how you reach the conclusion that he's mafia for calling him lynch bait in whatever way. I assume you think he spewed him town there having TMI? Important question. I'm gonna come up with an analogy that will explain my current thought process about this eventually. To answer your question, I didn't originally think so, but since I was brought up, and I started to think about it more closely, yes. From my perspective, the only way UN could see TW as lynchbait is if he knows he's town.
This is what I wanted to hear. Cause you pointed him spewing TW town at a time when you were scumreading TW, which makes it in my opinion a very unlikely thought to come to your mind when reading NUs post.
Or explained differently. If you're holding the belief that TW is scum, you wouldn't hold the belief that somebody just scumslipped that he's town.
Which is one more reason you're a good lynch !
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On September 10 2016 07:17 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 07:12 fuba wrote:On September 10 2016 07:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
^ Yes, it is what he thinks I did. I think he did the same thing in another post (to which he hasn't replied). Chill. That will be handled on a point-by-point basis when I'm home. This looks like a town post, 5 points to anyone who can say why.
Cause he's phone posting while you lost yours and only a dick would remind you of that?
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Retracting my scumread on fuba, his bigger posts look fairly townie.
I'm still open to a super lynch (where might he be) if any of you want to endorse this.
Otherwise I'll vote TT who still didn't post for like an entire day, feels coinflippy though. I'll need to check something.
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Still unsure about fuba. Went through the guys voting TT atm and HF was the guy who originated that scumread, superbia chimed in but decided to instead vote TW for his read on TT. Haven't heard much from him since.
Damdred adds to HF's points that his entrance was forced, that TT lurks as scum.
As for fuba I have no clue what his reasons for voting TT are. The closest I got was this. Where he says to check his post above, but in that post he's adressing NUs posts. So still no clue what fubas reason for the vote on TT are. On page 1 he spends more time talking about TW than TT whom he's voting. If anyone has any idea what fuba is voting TT for, enlighten me.
His biggish posts are townie but that might be wall of text bias.
On September 10 2016 08:50 fuba wrote:
And before anyone mentions it, I am still voting for TT right now. If my post above didn't convince anyone, then I'm not going to have the impetus today and tomorrow to push it through. Scum NU doesn't eliminate scum TT as far as I can remember.
I work tomorrow from 8am-4pm, which is the deadline. I may be able to pop in about 3-4 hours before that for a few minutes, but will be otherwise unavailable.
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On September 11 2016 02:58 Skynx wrote:
I still have to catchup but putting aside the reads, two main pointers in my mind:
1) Why is everyone except above ignoring Palmar being underwhelming?
2) Why is guys quoted bit more above sheep Holyflare and do nothing else?
A bit of Palmar meta.
Palmar can be an ass. He's unpredictable. Some games he tries, some games he openly doesn't give a fuck.
He absolutely hates being vigged, and thinks that not getting lynched is one of towns first tasks.
IE in the case he's playing his not give a fuck style, you get a wagon on him going and he's going to be forced to play. If he still doesn't care, you keep lynching. Not on weekends though cause he does stuff with his family (for example playing mafia with kids, he's already breeding the next generation of tl mafia players).
Btw fuba nice ninja.
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I voted superbia his play is still shittastic. Nothing new other than "vote TT", "lynch calix lol". Still nothing smart to say about the game. This feels like when he was 3p, only that he's scum now.
I have no clue if TT is mafia or not., simply cause besides his shitty wifomy early posts, there's not anything I find forced or otherwise AI.
Either way anyone can jump on him without repercussions apparently. Just like Palmar and super did. I don't like that one bit. If you're just as sceptical as I am about piling up on TT for inactivity as I am, go for super. If you really think his posts were forced, feel free to use that as a reason.
And regarding the activity argument: I think I've seen him being active as mafia before. Don't know the game, just that rayn was pushing him and I was town and thought he was town for biggish posts. Maybe one of the storm mafias dunno.
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On September 11 2016 04:55 Tumblewood wrote:
yo calix, Damdred's meta D1 as town is to try and form a town circle (and to a lesser extent all game). he is also a valuable townie because that is a useful strategy.
His scum play has become really good. I won't lynch him D1 by default but I'm certainly still open to the idea of him being mafia. If he actually lynched mafia at some point ahead that would make things easier.
HF and Palmar are roughly in the same category.
The idea of the town circle is only as good as the town circle itself, so don't really see any grounds for this being a reason to TR Damdred.
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That post by Grack where he's indirectly bitch slapping Palmar gave me a real boner.
Why don't you just head for another lynch Grack? Marv isn't this game, so the worst case scenario is that your reads get flushed down the drain in the name of british patriotism in a HF vs Calix showdown.
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On September 11 2016 05:31 Tumblewood wrote:
oh yeah I'm stupid if Hf gets lynched he's shooting tt
actually that sounds like a win-win
Tbh this sounds like you're spewing HF town..
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On September 11 2016 05:34 Skynx wrote:
GODDAMIT GUYS CAN WE SHENNANIE PLZ?
Sure, go to superbia.
1) he did scummy shit
2) Palmar thinks he's #1 town, so he's most likely not.
Then, he votes TW early on, forgets about it when he comes back to vote TT like I predicted.
For further details, refer to the points in my cases, cba to repeat myself thrice.
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I'm down for TW as well. He sounded like really sure HF was town there.
The whole post sounds like "oh it's fine that HF is a mislynch he's going to shoot TT anyway lul".
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On September 11 2016 05:47 Superbia wrote:
The only reason why TT could be town is because too many shitty people have been defending him.
Names of people please. Only Calix comes to mind spontaneously.
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