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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:27 GMT
#946
I guess it's the second best bet still.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:29 GMT
#949
On September 29 2016 05:26 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 05:17 Xatalos wrote:
At least you read it


To be fair I did read your WoT, or most of it. I just thought the majority of it was crap.

The reads feel a bit off, like Rels should be much more obv town based on his pressure on Lunatic. I obv disagree about Skynx.

The whole team thing is just bad imo. I'd probably be willing to write it off as a bad approach but the way you use the team stuff to throw out DYH feels off to me.


Meh, I don't think Rels receives a complete town pass from that. He did question Lunatic, but didn't really pursue it, and he was like the fourth or fifth on his wagon? Not really a main cause of his death IMO, although he participated.

Off?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:31 GMT
#952
On September 29 2016 05:26 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 05:23 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 05:21 Calix wrote:
Hell no we're not doing CFDs.

Also hi.


Hi.

Did you read my post yet?


Who cares about finding the entire scum team on D2? lol. I have tried that before and it's a really bad idea. Just means the scum will be on their guard and making sure their interactions are like "kk this is how we're going to fuck with the associations lul" and means people get stuck in a tunnel of confirmation bias. I'd know all about that.

tl;dr: No, I don't need to read it to know it's bad and you're bad for doing that.


It's worked for me in the past though. In one game it pretty much won the game. Granted, it was on D3/D4 or something, so a bit later.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:32 GMT
#954
On September 29 2016 05:31 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 05:29 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 05:26 Tictock wrote:
On September 29 2016 05:17 Xatalos wrote:
At least you read it


To be fair I did read your WoT, or most of it. I just thought the majority of it was crap.

The reads feel a bit off, like Rels should be much more obv town based on his pressure on Lunatic. I obv disagree about Skynx.

The whole team thing is just bad imo. I'd probably be willing to write it off as a bad approach but the way you use the team stuff to throw out DYH feels off to me.


Meh, I don't think Rels receives a complete town pass from that. He did question Lunatic, but didn't really pursue it, and he was like the fourth or fifth on his wagon? Not really a main cause of his death IMO, although he participated.

Off?

I was the one who started the wagon. Not by vote but by pressuring Lunatic into giving up.


Hm, maybe you could look at it that way. Although I think it was Dan who mostly did that
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:35 GMT
#957
On September 29 2016 05:32 Calix wrote:
DYH/ Stutters would make a lot of sense given that they have done nothing the entire game, have zero thread presence, etc. This would explain how the scum didn't try to save Lunatic or divert attention elsewhere, because none of them have the influence/ staying power to pull that off.


That would be pretty funny if it was the case, but it's maybe like a below 10% chance IMO.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:36 GMT
#958
On September 29 2016 05:34 DoYouHas wrote:
Ok, here we go.

First off

Rels - This is town Rels, it may be meta, it may be whatever, but if he ends up being mafia he gets a hearty handshake from me because this feels exactly like town Rels. Strongest read I have in the game.

Calix - Everyone already agrees on this one, never lynch, maybe MAYBE take a harder look if he is alive lategame.


At last he's back.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:39 GMT
#960
I guess we're in for a show then.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:44 GMT
#962
Do you really think DanelerH pushed Lunatic off the cliff for no real reason?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:45 GMT
#964
Has?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:45 GMT
#965
Oh. nvm lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 20:48 GMT
#969
On September 29 2016 05:47 Calix wrote:
Seeing Xatalos/ Skynx bicker is making me smirk from how childish you both are.

In all seriousness though, save it for later pls. Nobody wants your bitch-slapping right now when DYH is in the house.


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"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 21:17 GMT
#980
On September 29 2016 05:44 Xatalos wrote:
Do you really think DanelerH pushed Lunatic off the cliff for no real reason?

"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 21:19 GMT
#981
On September 29 2016 05:53 DoYouHas wrote:
ptmc - The crazy effort in analyzing the game is major town points from me. The way he addressed my response to Rels' case also showed that he is reading carefully and thinking critically. So long as he doesn't drop off hard I'm thinking he is town.

Xata - I liked him from the first hours of the game when he interacted with Calix. Calix stuck around and mixed things up even when he had been given an out, Xata recognized this and gave him a townread for it. I agreed with the read and I liked that he mentioned it as it would be an easy thing to let slide to keep options open. He also seems to be trying to solve the game and I might be biased towards him as he is one of the few who is toying with scenarios that don't involve me being scum.


Dunno, that read felt pretty genuine to me. Or maybe I'm conversely biased
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 21:22 GMT
#984
On September 29 2016 06:20 Jealous wrote:
So I get to the lab and it's closed due to an emergency, thanks for calling me guys! Love commuting! <3 At least now I can stick around until EoD.

Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 05:31 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 05:26 Calix wrote:
On September 29 2016 05:23 Xatalos wrote:
On September 29 2016 05:21 Calix wrote:
Hell no we're not doing CFDs.

Also hi.


Hi.

Did you read my post yet?


Who cares about finding the entire scum team on D2? lol. I have tried that before and it's a really bad idea. Just means the scum will be on their guard and making sure their interactions are like "kk this is how we're going to fuck with the associations lul" and means people get stuck in a tunnel of confirmation bias. I'd know all about that.

tl;dr: No, I don't need to read it to know it's bad and you're bad for doing that.


It's worked for me in the past though. In one game it pretty much won the game. Granted, it was on D3/D4 or something, so a bit later.

Although I've heard others say it isn't recommended too, I also have had a good experience with doing this in D4. However, I feel that there is a time and place, and this was not it. The broadness of your findings are a testament to this.

Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 06:06 DoYouHas wrote:
I have absolutely not read D2 properly. As I said, I've been slammed.

Then why are you posting reads that are outdated instead of updating your information?

@Calix: #gotem



Maybe so. However, it can serve as a base to be updated rather than the final solution.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 21:23 GMT
#989
On September 29 2016 06:22 DoYouHas wrote:
Is it likely? not really. Dane's aggression on Luna seems pretty genuine.

Is it outside the realm? no. Especially if Stutters is town.


Hm... How is stutters related? Process of elimination?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 21:24 GMT
#990
On September 29 2016 06:23 Calix wrote:
How is typing them out two at a time relevant to anything? Is this going anywhere?

I'd rather leave the DYH-answering-questions thing until he's finished with his thoughts. Don't want to distract him too much from saying something first.


I guess that's true too. There isn't much time left.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 21:40 GMT
#1006
Hm. It might be a small argument against scott that Superbia suspected him, but not very convincing in itself.....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 21:48 GMT
#1016
Is this game fated to have huge wagons? lol

I guess it's time to hope for the best.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 21:49 GMT
#1019
On September 29 2016 06:48 Jealous wrote:
I petition that if DYH is scum, and Stutters doesn't vote, that the game ends here and we get all the trophies.


I will get the trophies and you will be jealous
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
September 28 2016 21:50 GMT
#1021
On September 29 2016 06:48 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2016 06:39 Calix wrote:
DYH, why try to start a new train when you could vote for Stutters?

I find that extremely weird when you said he was a possible scum tbh.


Let's be honest here, I'm not turning this train on me around. There is too much information to be gained and too much has happened/not happened to and from me to not go through with the lynch.

So I'm going to put my vote on the person I think is most likely to flip scum. Stutters is possible scum but I still trust my gut reads from early in the game. If I end up being wrong, so be it, but I think Scott is more likely.


Is there something other on scott than NK analysis?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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