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On August 25 2016 13:08 DanelerH wrote: /in Would anyone happen to have any Day 1 advice? I'm rather new to the game and the games I've played have mostly consisted of newer players where the general consensus is to just skip Day 1. I disagree with this and want to learn more about what can be done. Day 1 is the most important day for each faction and player. For scum, you have the chance to get a free town lynch and NK; for town you have the free chance to kill your first scum. Really though, it's far more than that. Generally speaking whoever "wins" Day 1, imo, wins the game; this doesn't mean that if there's a town lynch, then scum wins (or vice versa). Rather, for town D1 is important: 1. to get a good lynch 2. to force scum to say stuff (which means they'll screw up somewhere) 3. to set the tone for the rest of the game Getting a good lynch is important; it very much sets who to look at for the rest of the game. That can mean defaulting to inactives (and often does). It means getting people to explain what they think and, more importantly, why they think it. It means people productively discuss the options and what the best lynch is. It's making the point to focus on quality of posting and not just quantity. It doesn't matter if there's a mislynch or not; having a productive lynch is far more useful for town through the course of the game than having a correct lynch. Second, by forcing quality posts you require scum to actively participate. If you pay attention, you'll see how differently scum are looking at players. It's super easy to write up a case on anyone (town or not) as scum; the problem is making it believable. Such that the case has resonance with town members and town thought process while also not giving away knowledge of players' alignment or role. So by getting (and forcing) a good, productive lynch, town gives itself the tools to absolutely blow the crap out of scum later in the game. Third, tone is key to good town play. It's far easier as scum to win solo while facing 3 lynches in a town that is hostile to itself than it is to win with a full team against an active, productive town with 1 mislynch to give. By getting a good productive lynch, you set the tone for town members, even ones with opposing points of view who think each other are scum, to realize what the situation actually is. You lay the groundwork to have people work together to solve a problem in a clear direction. Conversely, one bad lynch can wholly setup the next 2-3 lynches. Scum gets to paraphrase and hide among the lynch mob calling for town to kill itself on bad lynches. Scum really isn't forced to post original thoughts or in any way drive discussion. You're able to setup town to be so polarized that they can't actively work together to solve the problem and instead focus on minute irrelevant shit often WIFOMing themselves into an easy loss. The first lynch cycle is just exceptionally important for setting up the course of the game. That said, some setups require a Night 0; where the game starts with a night phase instead of a day phase. While it's ok to have games start with a night cycle instead of a day cycle, generally it's not great because of the 'feel bads' as more often than not good players die during the night and bad players die during the day. So good players will get shut out of really playing the game whatsoever. Additionally, the game can be really random; cop finds scum, scum kills blue, etc. You can get in scenarios in N0 games where the game spins to be heavily town or scum favored depended on roles. For me, that's very uninteresting. Mafia, to me, is a game of limited information where roles really shouldn't matter; Vanilla games are better IMO than ones with roles because they really emphasize the core focus of the game (observation, logic, analysis). | ||
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On August 27 2016 22:25 disformation wrote: I think that is more like supporting the addiction What's the difference? | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote: at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice. This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself. | ||
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I do, but I'm at work. You'll get them later tonight. | ||
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On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote: Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL. I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row  Trfel should know better than to open like this as town. On August 29 2016 06:18 Trfel wrote: Okay, joke was probably not the best word. Try "light-hearted comment" instead. 1. You posted at the start of the game that you were confirmed town. I am assuming here (correct me if I am wrong) that the reason that you are (supposedly) confirmed town is that you made the first post. I am also assuming (again, correct me if I am wrong) that everyone is aware that being confirmed town by virtue of having the first post in the game is a joke. 2. Vivax points out that you are not in fact confirmed town (and again, we're assuming that this is in fact a true statement). 3. You respond to Vivax here. I'm interested in why you responded in the post mentioned in (3) above. This expansion is pretty bad. Vivax had the only correct response to Trfel's "I am scum" post. This post and the expansion from it are bad. I associate that more with scum!trfel but he can be bad as town too. This post is kinda towny. I wish the "why not?" weren't a question. The confident "come at me bro" aspect of it I like, but the question mark throws a damper on that somewhat. On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it. vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. not a big fan of this post. "I'll tell you what I'm going to talk about. Say nothing meaninful about it. Give random townread." On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote: 1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia. Curious if plammar being plammar or if actual read. I'm sure he'll talk about in some put me to sleep way. On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote: Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious. This is surprisingly not an awful observation. On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote: ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this? confirmed not reading On August 29 2016 06:32 disformation wrote: I don't believe you believe that crap this early in the game. You are def. trying to make an elephant out of nothing here. Classical scum. ##vote Trfel I really don't get this post. I feel like any decent player would've ignored this shit already regardless of alignment. On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote: Ah fantastic. No, it's absolutely not a meta thing. You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things. But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves. He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia. I am not impressed. Minus points here. I figured his "maybe plammar is mafia" post was just a verbal jab. This makes it seem like he was intending to do more with it but meh. On August 29 2016 06:41 disformation wrote: I think Palmar's explanation makes sense, but I have problems with my early D1 as either alignment (##selfmeta) and Rels hasn't been playing very well lately (no offense). So I kinda can Rels see with a weak opening as either alignment. That being said I think I'll throw him into my scum lean pool. useless passive rehash On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote: Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. I actually like this post. I don't agree with it, but there's thought behind it. On August 29 2016 06:49 Trfel wrote: Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying. You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong? I like Trfel picking up on this post. On August 29 2016 07:00 Trfel wrote: Okay, think I get what you're saying. Tumblewood, I'd appreciate an explanation  Disformation, last question for now, when you say "breaking meta", what are you referring to? And right back to useless questions... Don't hate this post. On August 29 2016 07:29 Palmar wrote: Although just thinking that makes him like super likely to be town. Which kinda sucks, because it's a super "cheap" townread, but there is almost no way Race Bannon makes that post as mafia. Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up. On August 29 2016 07:52 Holyflare wrote: Flip flop where he claims Trfel wouldn't make that post as mafia but calls him mafia anyway. Flip flop defending Rels based on his own anecdotal evidence but calls him mafia anyway. More flip flops than a holiday in China. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2015/05/12/1227352/082383-50fba6b4-f86f-11e4-abad-a935b3e0d5c5.jpg) I really like this. I liked it when I first saw it and I like it again now. Sadly I don't think it says anything about HF. On August 29 2016 08:03 Holyflare wrote: i don't even get your tumble read, what are you smoking? On August 29 2016 08:04 Holyflare wrote: nvm i actually read what he posted now  carry on I like the followup though even if it is passive. On August 29 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote: This strikes me as the most interesting post thus far. Basically a long winded way of saying he has no idea what Trfel is doing. I agree with the first sentance but the rest is calling out Trfel for something, then saying he doesn't want to push Trfel for it. Mild scum lean for casting shade on Trfel but not wanting to look like a bad guy while doing it. I like picking up on the Vivax post and bringing it back up. On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote: Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels This is really left field and I don't understand where it's coming from. TT explain. | ||
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On August 29 2016 09:17 Tictock wrote: A couple of Vivax's posts don't mesh with how I'm seeing the game at all. Ehh I think I need context. Here he is basically saying that Tumble reacting to Palmar's thing with Rels is an "attention shift" like there is possible association between Rels and Tumble. While Vivax's own opinion of Rels is basically "Palmar is a cool guy, and makes a good point about Rels" I kinda see Vivax doing exactly what he is accusing Tumble of doing here, shifting some attention from people discussing Rels onto Tumble. I guess there's a logic to this, but it really doesn't add up. On August 29 2016 10:20 scott31337 wrote: Tell me more why those two posts cause for immediate suspicion. + Show Spoiler + I had a rough thought that the two could be mafia as well, so I wasn't so off on that second post from Koshi I really don't get why scott chooses this to take the banner up on. It's like random and crappy. Wait, WTF???? This: On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote: I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though. This is a reason to townread someone? That's a pretty fucking terrible reason to think anyone's town. That said: On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. This is really fucking weird pair to be scumreading. On August 29 2016 11:54 DanelerH wrote: I'm not seeing any direct inconistancies in Race Bannon's posts, but the below post is interesting in that it's the only one that actually says anything. + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. It's strange that he finds Tumblewood and Koshi the most suspicious, despite their only affiliation up to that point being the following: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote: Tumblewood/Rels prime suspects. Race Bannon could be someone to keep an eye on, but I'm still unfamiliar with everyone's playstyles. This dude is probably just not good at mafia. Overall: HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. | ||
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On August 30 2016 06:49 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 1: Vote Count #3 Votes:
Not voting (4) - Race Bannon, Rels, Trfel, disformation I'm sure there's at least 1 mafia in the 4 not voting and pretty sure there's exactly one in the not voting section. The other scum can be anywhere which is pretty worthless. Rels doesn't strike me in any particular way. I disliked on point he had on TW posting whatever coming to his mind = scum, but it's not damning in any way. He kinda touches on all the hot button topics but there's kinda nothing to love about anything he says. I kinda think he's town though for how he responds to HF re: disinformation. It's constructive without being argumentative. Trfel I've gotten the sense that he's on an island; he could be scum with I actives/newbies From what I recall he posts a bit less and more concentrated as scum; plus, he makes at least 1 god awful post that gets him attention. That's not here, but I'm really bugged by the fact that almost every post is asking someone else what their opinion is. I feel ok thinking he's just floundering and not scum but not more. Race has basically done nothing (ignoring the pm shit). On August 29 2016 20:01 Race Bannon wrote: Anyway, @Koshi does it n any way influence your read of Tumblewood that he told DanelerH not to put too much weight on contribution .. when you yourself made an aegument that geript's posts were more likely to come from town because of their volume? I really hate this quote because it's a question that can't go anywhere. His posts look far more like someone trying to play a game within a game which, excluding Slam, isn't towns especially since he really has no actual thought in the game. If this were Slam's filter, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat because Slam has nuggets of ideas sprinkled in his overblown filter. Plus there's the TW, Koshi scum team. In filter context, maybe he was joking, but it's an exceptionally weird association to have at that point in the game. It just feels like he doesn't care to think about the game at all; I just can't see how he could be town. Disinformation... The funny thing about him is that I really like this post On August 29 2016 20:57 disformation wrote: The more I look at geripts post the more inorganic and constructed I think it is. Might also be written in this hard to follow/read way to look like work has been done and making ppl less likely to want to read it. like there comes a point when you keep staring at and thinking about something so much that everything just gets twisted and biased. He just entirely feels like whatever he's currently looking at gets him confirmation biased about. I felt pretty confident about Vivax, Koshi and HF; HF I think could convince me to vote for myself this game and I would. I'll look at the rest in a bit. | ||
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On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote: Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels So Vivax is posting better than he did as scum, but is maybe scum due to forced posting and possibly agenda. So I'll follow this move I thought was solid and join with town read Palmar to vote for Rels, give my third and fourth town reads for no reason and that is all. The whole thing was really weird on top of the "who's scum for drawing attention whom while someone else is fotm." But I like his reads pics/posts thing. It feels like he's having fun. I keep wanting to tell myself I'm bad for thinking he's town. But I like most of the posts he jumps off from, I just don't like where he goes with it. Then I look back at the early stuff and call myself bad again. | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:20 Holyflare wrote: Hey yeh so the bad thing that is almost definitely ego thing is that palmar sheeps koshi's tw case and then ignores that I've posted one and hasn't town read me. That's pretty scummy. I've been thinking about Palmar a lot while doing other things. I'm really tempted to case him but then when I organize my thoughts it comes down to little stuff that I don't like. I just don't feel in any way confident about reading him. Like the best reasons to call him scum is basically how differently he reads me in comparison to you and Koshi and his not wanting to lynch Trfel to potentially confirm himself as town. The first is ok, the second is like a Palmar wifom game. TBH, I'm most interested in lynching Dane right now. I don't hate the TW stuff, but it doesn't make me very hard. | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:25 Holyflare wrote: Liking the dane thing a lot. Mt posts were excellent. Mt posts? | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:34 Koshi wrote: Reread TW his last 2 pages and he is giving us nothing... He just plays on emotions. Trying to survive. I'm giving meds in between reading, can you give me like a point by point on why you think he's scum. so I can think about it while I filter him. | ||
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On August 31 2016 06:34 Holyflare wrote: I think I'm just going to scum read every single person that doesn't put me in their town list. Be warned. I'm actually curious why the Rels switch instead of Dane? | ||
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On August 31 2016 07:29 Vivax wrote: Geript if you're still around maybe tell us when you're not busy at work this week so we know when your contributions are supposed to skyrocket. I'm off Saturday and sunday, but sunday is my D+D day; I'm not sure if we're playing though b/c labor day weekend. If you don't like what I'm posting, then lynch me or quit bitching about it. | ||
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On August 31 2016 06:00 Race Bannon wrote: There's something I noticed about myself. I fucking hate it when the acting is so bad that I'm constantly being reminded of how it's a movie I'm watching. Either the acting, sometimes the casting irrevocably dooms that department entirely, or the camera keeps shaking stupidly erratic, especially when 3d, my word. Is it so hard to empathize with the viewer experience and just take Alejandro Inarritu's success as a hint? FFS, and the mobile phones.. the stupid kids with their availability issues. The same goes for people breaking the reading experience in forum mafia. When I'm hosting I'll totally modkill, and taste the full flavor of the subsequent bitch-fest and enjoy it to the fullest, when someone looses even a coherent sentence about anything other than game-relevant material, except material used for jokes or whatever. I vehemently denounce this entitlement of a player to think they can bring into this picture their real life persona, what they're doing or would like to do outside of this game.. who the fuck wants to see a player as anything other than the cog in the machinery. Random people .. evoking contexts like wht they eat, where they drive, dota and wow .. what? Why is this relevant to my experience? I am well advised to decide that scum could just as well lie about being unavailable and some such, so where's the fucking point of interluding the flow of relevant conversation, just to "announce" I'll want to play dota .. like "wrap this up people, I got somewhere to be". No you don't you piece of shit. You don't exist outside the context of this game, for anyone inside this game. .. For real. Sry, meant to play but had to get this off my chest. Is there a reason why we aren't instalynching Race for this post alone? Like, were about to lynch somebody and Race spent at least 5 min on this. He's been around, he's actively choosing to toss his vote away for a nombo candidate. This is his largest post in the ~2 hours leading up to lynch. He in no way tries to get engage Palmar or HF which are the only two who might be able to bludgeon his choice through at the time. The post itself is super out of place. I really don't get why people haven't noticed this. | ||
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On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 1: Final Vote Count Votes:
Not voting: - HF I think this is a bit closer. | ||
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On September 01 2016 03:37 Trfel wrote: On the bright side, since Rels died, there's a 25% chance that Race Bannon flips mafia, not a 22% chance Lol | ||
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On September 01 2016 14:25 scott31337 wrote: Geript is an intelligent player who knows this is a scummy post from him. Geript just finished working 12 hr shift with 2 admissions including one TPN who had jacked up orders from the hospital. 1/4th of my meds weren't on the cart. All but 3 of my 18 blood sugars I had to call the MD on and get orders for extra insulin. 5 people said their meds were wrong; FYI they weren't but I have to double check. 6 pt's forgot they already had their oxy/tramadol/ambien/ativan/Xanax/norco. Oh and I have "not mandatory" overtime on Sunday now. So take your shitty attitude and shove it up your ass. I'm here and I want to be here contributing. It's ok to double check the math. | ||
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On September 01 2016 10:17 Holyflare wrote: That's because people have forgotten how to play mafia and play like crap solo players instead. Tbh. This is how I feel about me right now. Base analysis was never my strong point; I was always best at meta. Tbh I feel a bit over my head and time restricted. | ||
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On September 01 2016 15:50 Holyflare wrote: I'm trying to determine whether mafia Tumblewood would meta mafia ticktock to make him look bad. I'm thinking it's unlikely. Didn't TW give TT a town meta read? | ||
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(Answering "why did you town read him) "Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it. | ||
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On September 01 2016 16:31 Trfel wrote: That was disformation. You think Dane is town right? | ||
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On September 01 2016 16:39 Trfel wrote: Correct. Do you have a read on him other than bad? I've kinda been going through filters in reverse (most recent to earliest). In thinking how the game has gone, like if Dane is scum he can fit in almost any scum team. The night kill feels like a veteran decision; kill the claim and leave the vets arguing with each other. Objectively speaking, I think you/Koshi/Vivax have to most to gain from that since none of you are really center of attention, but I think any Vet makes that shot. So I'm kinda thinking about the scum team as a whole. Vivax can kinda be with anyone. Koshi/HF/Palmar, at least two have to be town; I'm kinda wondering/thinking if HF and Palmar both can bet town. Like I really don't think HF is scum, maybe I'm bad this game but I don't. I read Palmar poorly, but he really likes to lynch me, especially when he's scum and extra especially when I town read him and he's scum. There's a million reasons for me to think he's scum, but if there's a Vet who's mafia, I think it's one of you/Koshi/Vivax. Like Palmar as scum usually doesn't acquiesce to a lynch not of his choice. He'd be ok with lynching a role, which makes his vote a bit suspect. He's not hammer of justice Palmar. But he's also not hitting all the little things I'd expect of scum Palmar either. Idk, I guess I don't really have a point to make, but your reads flow chart post got me thinking. | ||
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On September 01 2016 16:39 Trfel wrote: Correct. Do you have a read on him other than bad? Sorry I'm bad at answering directly, but I really like my point about him being so "black and white." Like usually newer players have a big lack of confidence. The make these wish you washy posts that meander in bad ways. But his posts feel so rigid. Like he spends time to structure them. And that's what bugs me. Because usually newer town players even when coached don't feel that way. | ||
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On September 01 2016 17:06 Trfel wrote: Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening. In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation. I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, but the thought process. On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me. Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later. Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi. Voting for Tumblewood. Good night. It's kinda funny that you say this, but those two do seem to associate a bunch together. I done know either of their play patterns, but they feel like they're both town or scum together. Not that that's worth much. | ||
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On September 02 2016 07:16 Holyflare wrote: Not voting (4) - geript, TicTock, Tumblewood, Palmar Kinda says a lot about the state of the game/mafia team. Like unless I'm the only town not voting, I actually expect that most of us are town. TT/TW is a quite possible team. I don't have any good reason for thinking Palmar's town, but I just can't vote for him. He's doing stuff that's way outside of what I usually see even from him. He's not one to give up after trying as scum; but he will say "fuck this game" as town. I really don't know what direction I want to go this game, but I know what direction I don't want to go. I'm assuming that Palmar (or me) will probably be lynched today (me for this post itself), but I really don't care. If Palmar flips scum then fuck it I'll just sheep vote and admit to playing terrible. I'm not seeing it. Game feels to dead to have the scum team entirely inactive (or mostly so) now or at any time. I'm voting feels this game. I think it's Vivax/Dane +1. The third is IDK, almost anyone but I'm guessing one of TT/TW. Part of it is the Vivax/Disinfo bs that happened last night. Part of it is that Vivax is far less active than it feels like he is. Part of it is the Artanis read that he's missed making cases on a variety of people and not because they've already died. Part of it is that his cases he doesn't even terribly hold onto; it's like he could give no fucks about pushing and forwarding his own shit in a game with 3 people who (Palmar, HF, Koshi) who he generally in some way seeks the approval of. Dane because he's the most unnewbie newbie I've ever seen. He's forceful without being confident. He gives polarized reads that go nowhere and lacks uncertainty about anything. I don't feel like I can make a compelling argument for you guys to join me. But everyone else who's town knows that this game feels wrong somehow. Despite there being cases, points aren't really being discussed. It's almost like "Who's Line" where everything's made up and the points don't matter. But this is a Star Wars game. Search your feelings. I don't think we're on the right track; you don't think we're on the right track. | ||
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On September 02 2016 16:28 Holyflare wrote: Also what do you mean vivax feels less active? He's like the most active guy in the thread? What's your reason for mafia reading him exactly? That he's just not tinfoil enough? Like he 'feels' like he's super active. Involved in everything, but has a much shorter filter than I'd expect. It's a scumread for Kita btw. It's a lot of little stuff I mentioned. Like usually I've seen him championing read to 'the known' players to push his read. But that's not so much here. It's drop a case. Do a little. Move on to next target. There's no real stubbornness. Like he's active at end of D1 but not really trying to make a decision. Iirc He's also the first and only to discredit end of D1 as useless. Like earlier, we usually really butt heads or I find his reads retarded. This game he's been ok. I think it was only Dane or TW who commented on his odd read mid D1 I think. I get your points on Palmar, but usually even among us vets, there's some disagreement on how to read the game. It's weird I'm defending palmar, but considering the dynamic of my-you-Koshi-vivax on similar pages with palmar kinda aligned but off on a few specifics in an argumentative way that's pretty odd. Usually the odd ball out is town and one in the circle is scum. And it's one in the circle who half keeps feeding the dissension. Here IMO the dissension looks more to come from vivax than Koshi or you. | ||
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On September 02 2016 16:30 Holyflare wrote: Urghhh it just feels like you don't give a crap about the game and decided to make a shit meta read post that's totally unrelated to what's actually happening?? Have you read ticktock's filter/vote or is it just blanket "these guys probably town for afking"? I read TT yesterday maybe day before. It hasn't changed. I think I even made a post about him specifically. My care factor has gone down, but I don't think it's shit meta. | ||
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On August 30 2016 18:15 geript wrote: I'm extra waffly on TT. So Vivax is posting better than he did as scum, but is maybe scum due to forced posting and possibly agenda. So I'll follow this move I thought was solid and join with town read Palmar to vote for Rels, give my third and fourth town reads for no reason and that is all. The whole thing was really weird on top of the "who's scum for drawing attention whom while someone else is fotm." But I like his reads pics/posts thing. It feels like he's having fun. I keep wanting to tell myself I'm bad for thinking he's town. But I like most of the posts he jumps off from, I just don't like where he goes with it. Then I look back at the early stuff and call myself bad again. This | ||
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On September 02 2016 16:46 Koshi wrote: Why can't Vivax and Palmar not be both mafia? Vivax is just bussing Palmar because it was obvious we (HF and I) were going to go for him today. You are creating a world in which 3 of us are town and only 1 can be mafia. But what in a world in which 2 are mafia? Vivax + Palmar can both be scum I just don't find it very likely. If those two are both scum Palmar doesn't quit thread. Like, Palmar can't be scum with anyone with any actual thread pull. | ||
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On September 02 2016 17:07 Koshi wrote: Dnu. It isn't so that he is trying to piss me off either though. He calls me town, says we are similar players. Idk maybe I'm wrong on palmar, I just really don't think he jets out like that as scum after he's invested effort. | ||
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On September 03 2016 03:43 Vivax wrote: No you need to make a call on Palmar and stop pussyfooting around his alignment. I think he's town. | ||
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On September 03 2016 06:45 DanelerH wrote: The person I want to look into right now is Geript. Day 1 was the only time Geript was suspicious of Tumblewood. As the game progressed to Night 1, the list xe gave for most likely being Mafia consisted of Tictock, Palmar, Scott, Race, and myself. + Show Spoiler + Admittedly, quite some time has passed since then, but Geript never claimed suspicion on Tumblewood after the fact. Let's go over changes Geript made to the list: Near the end of Day 2, the two xe was most suspicious of were Vivax and myself. + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote: If rather lynch vivax or Dane. Shortly afterwards, xe stated that Palmar was most likely Town: + Show Spoiler + Assuming there were no other changes to the list, it would probably look something like this: Vivax DanelerH Tictock Scott Despite all of this, Geript voted for Tumblewood. Xe didn't give any reasoning or even a post (except for in the voting thread). Geript, why is this? I'm only voting for this guy. I'm tired of this bs. | ||
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On September 03 2016 07:03 DanelerH wrote: Whether you're tired of this "bs" or not, I would still like an answer. When did you become suspicious of Tumblewood? If you weren't suspicious of xem, why did you bother voting for xem? I'll let you look t the vote count from when I voted TW to figure tht one out. | ||
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On September 06 2016 02:30 Palmar wrote: Yeah no scott is not mafia. His activity today basically pulls him off the table. @trfel no not happening. Try some other target Activity at mylo is alignment indicative. That's a good joke. Either way, I'm voting Dane. You guys can either vote with me or not. Deal with it. | ||
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On September 06 2016 03:03 Holyflare wrote: Let me just reiterate this to you. EVERYBODY MUST BE ON THE SAME WAGON TODAY IF YOU ARE TOWN. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY SHOULD BE ON A SEPARATE WAGON. I WILL NOT BE VOTING TRFEL TODAY SO IF YOU STAY ON HIM YOU'RE MAFIA FOR NOT SHEEPING ONTO THE WAGON WITH CONFIRMED TOWN ME ON IT. I guess you'll lose since you aren't voting with me. | ||
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On September 06 2016 03:34 Trfel wrote: Yeah, like I said, I'm sorry for my poor activity. I should not have signed up for this game. I did not expect moving into college to be anywhere near as time consuming as it was, and I could not have forseen not having internet in our room. But I simply don't have the activity or the time to effectively play a mafia game, and I'm sorry that everyone else has to deal with it. You deserve better. I was wrong on Tumblewood, I was wrong on Race Bannon, I might be wrong on some more as well. I was right on Rels, though, so at least that's something. But criticizing my play for lack of effort is simply false. I was the first one to point out inconsistencies in geript's first big posts. I pointed out the Race Bannon read inconsistency. No one noticed my post. I first brought up the Tictock meta point that Tumblewood later raised. I've been providing reads with examples and explanations throughout the game. I've provided analysis of scott31337, Palmar, and Tictock. I've shared suspicious points, provided a two-sided analysis, and invited discussion with the suspect and the rest of the thread. But no one cares to respond or comment. And I'm being scumread and lynched for completely nonsense reasons, but no one cares either. The people lynching me seem to not care whatsoever that the other people are lynching me for nonsense reasons, but instead only care that I'm being lynched. Have a good day. I strongly suggest joining the "fuck it I don't care anymore" Dane lynch. TT is close but Dane is guaranteed. | ||
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On September 06 2016 03:48 Trfel wrote: Geript I strongly believe that DanelerH is town. Will you vote Tictock with Holyflare and I? I've voted w/HF twice. It's his turn to vote with me. | ||
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On September 06 2016 05:28 Holyflare wrote: You need to consolidate with confirmed town. Vote geript. I bet you end up voting with 2 scum. | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:21 disformation wrote: my n1 check would have been Dane. So thats a green. That's a terrible check. You never check him there. | ||
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On September 07 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote: Did you feel like there were too few? I tried to provide a votecount whenever I felt like there was a major change in the situation, ie. every 5-10 votes, plus shortly before deadline. I try to do vote counts near 24 hours out, 18 hours out, 12, hours out, 6 hours out, 3 hours out, 2 hours out, 1 hour out, 30 minutes out, and 15 minutes out. This will basically cover any swings in votes, but more may be necessary dependent on how swingy things become. | ||
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