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On September 02 2016 00:39 DanelerH wrote:I have no qualms with lynching Palmar, however I thought I would look into some other people that are currently under suspicion. One of these people is Tictock. In xyr filter, I found something very interesting: + Show Spoiler +Notice how Rels is listed under "Null," but Vivax is listed under "Scum lean." The reason why this is odd is because it doesn't match with Tictock's vote: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote: Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof. Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels If you look at the timestamps in each of these, you'll see that the Rels vote was on before being suspicious of Vivax. Yes, Tictock was an early supporter of the Rels lynch, but it's strange that xe never changed the vote to Vivax.
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DanelerH These are your current reads that you have posted. You believe Palmar is mafia, is that correct?
On September 03 2016 22:41 DanelerH wrote: After looking through Trfel's filter, I don't see anything that points to xem being Mafia. As such, I'm going to place xem under Town. Here is my current list:
Town: Holyflare Vivax Geript Koshi Trfel
Mafia: Tictock Scott Palmar
Out of the ones listed under Mafia, I think we should lynch either Scott or Palmar.
And this from Palmar.
On September 03 2016 00:03 Palmar wrote: I am not mafia, no idea why people still think that's really an option.
I don't have the energy to argue against the train of stupidity that's coming after me. so instead I'll just share what I think is relevant in this game and you guys can then either listen to me now, or you can listen to me later.
Koshi: Almost definitely town. He is, in his own bad way, trying to get the game solved. Also, it's literally his town meta to think I'm mafia and be wrong about it. He's also not just tunneling one thing (for example he's not just tunneling me, he's actually doing other stuff). I liked his case on TW at the time on day 1, although I don't really think TW is mafia but I might be wrong on that. He also gets a massive towncredit for pointing out geript's inconsistency during day 1.
Vivax: Essentially the same as Koshi, effort and stubbornness rating is through the roof compared to what I'd expect of mafia Vivax. He's also being a paranoid baddie which is something he excels at. He has also pointed out inconsistencies (specifically one by geript, I think) that was really good.
Trfel: To me, he's been completely under the radar this game. I might try to open his filter and read it before the evening, but so far I've essentially ignored most of his posts, which is often a good indication that someone is mafia (I tend to ignore mafia because their posts are usually bland and boring).
Scott: I liked one post by him on day 1 so weakest townread ever? I don't really know, another person I have less formed opinion on.
geript: Once again, he's almost lock mafia. His posting has been repeatedly proven to be out of touch with his own reality, and he's basically happy to sit back and let things happen.
Holyflare Another basically lock mafia. I'm almost more sure on him than geript. The main problem is that he barely cared during day 1, no matter how much he wants to make it look like he had a hand in the TW push. Then he came in late, helped with some shenanigans that to me made little sense (why didn't he try to shennie onto geript instead?). But even then he was light on actual content. Then during the night he starts hammering me for literally something he made up (trying to paint me bad for the Rels thing). there is 0% chance holyflare actually thinks what he says he's thinking. He's also quite a bit better at scumhunting than Koshi and Vivax and thus should know better than to think I'm mafia.
TW I don't know much about his posting today, but I sort of agreed with koshi's initial case, but he didn't sound like mafia when we were talking in the thread. So while I'm not gonna go overboard with it, I think he's more likely to be town.
Danieler No idea, not really read his filter much. I think I liked something he said, but I can't remember what or why. Like I don't have him in my mental "these people are scum" group.
Tictock Not really read up on him again. I basically gave him a townread when he posted the gif-reads on day 1 and I've not bothered with him since. Maybe it's time, but I think there's much higher mafia chance people.
So tell me what is wrong with Palmar's post.
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If palmar is so on track why isn't he dead?
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On September 04 2016 21:50 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 16:48 scott31337 wrote:On September 03 2016 04:43 Koshi wrote:On September 03 2016 04:42 scott31337 wrote: Since everyone seemed to forget - I'll be spending some good time in the thread this afternoon - I have an american football game to go to Thursday night, and driving out of town for work on Friday morning for network installs, so I won't be around much after today.
I'm still doing installs, I don't have time to play - but after I get home today things should be normal.
Post your reads please. Don't post the excel sheet, that is forbidden. Post your reads. This is what I had but it's soo old I'm not sure how it would be helpful, but + Show Spoiler [OLD ASS notepad Spreadsheet] + Race Bannon -2.5 Scumlean - terrible entrance, although Palmar's point "might" work TicTock - US 5.5 townlean - okay thoughts of game Tumblewood 3 US - Nothing impressive Rels 2 -EU- shit entrance DanelerH - US 6 - going after Koshi at beginning, Koshi/Dan prob not a team Vivax -EU 6 - like his thoughts and inquiziveness so far, shit case on me Holyflare - EU 6 - looking better Palmar -Iceland/EU 6.5 good thoughts disformation -EU 6.5 townlean Geript -US 6.5 good posts Trfel - US 6 weird thoughts but dont think he'd be so aggressive Koshi -EU 5.5 - nothing special but wouldn't lynch today
What are the numbers for?
1=Mafia 10=Town
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On September 04 2016 23:56 DanelerH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 19:33 scott31337 wrote:DanelerH These are your current reads that you have posted. You believe Palmar is mafia, is that correct? On September 03 2016 22:41 DanelerH wrote: After looking through Trfel's filter, I don't see anything that points to xem being Mafia. As such, I'm going to place xem under Town. Here is my current list:
Town: Holyflare Vivax Geript Koshi Trfel
Mafia: Tictock Scott Palmar
Out of the ones listed under Mafia, I think we should lynch either Scott or Palmar. And this from Palmar. On September 03 2016 00:03 Palmar wrote: I am not mafia, no idea why people still think that's really an option.
I don't have the energy to argue against the train of stupidity that's coming after me. so instead I'll just share what I think is relevant in this game and you guys can then either listen to me now, or you can listen to me later.
Koshi: Almost definitely town. He is, in his own bad way, trying to get the game solved. Also, it's literally his town meta to think I'm mafia and be wrong about it. He's also not just tunneling one thing (for example he's not just tunneling me, he's actually doing other stuff). I liked his case on TW at the time on day 1, although I don't really think TW is mafia but I might be wrong on that. He also gets a massive towncredit for pointing out geript's inconsistency during day 1.
Vivax: Essentially the same as Koshi, effort and stubbornness rating is through the roof compared to what I'd expect of mafia Vivax. He's also being a paranoid baddie which is something he excels at. He has also pointed out inconsistencies (specifically one by geript, I think) that was really good.
Trfel: To me, he's been completely under the radar this game. I might try to open his filter and read it before the evening, but so far I've essentially ignored most of his posts, which is often a good indication that someone is mafia (I tend to ignore mafia because their posts are usually bland and boring).
Scott: I liked one post by him on day 1 so weakest townread ever? I don't really know, another person I have less formed opinion on.
geript: Once again, he's almost lock mafia. His posting has been repeatedly proven to be out of touch with his own reality, and he's basically happy to sit back and let things happen.
Holyflare Another basically lock mafia. I'm almost more sure on him than geript. The main problem is that he barely cared during day 1, no matter how much he wants to make it look like he had a hand in the TW push. Then he came in late, helped with some shenanigans that to me made little sense (why didn't he try to shennie onto geript instead?). But even then he was light on actual content. Then during the night he starts hammering me for literally something he made up (trying to paint me bad for the Rels thing). there is 0% chance holyflare actually thinks what he says he's thinking. He's also quite a bit better at scumhunting than Koshi and Vivax and thus should know better than to think I'm mafia.
TW I don't know much about his posting today, but I sort of agreed with koshi's initial case, but he didn't sound like mafia when we were talking in the thread. So while I'm not gonna go overboard with it, I think he's more likely to be town.
Danieler No idea, not really read his filter much. I think I liked something he said, but I can't remember what or why. Like I don't have him in my mental "these people are scum" group.
Tictock Not really read up on him again. I basically gave him a townread when he posted the gif-reads on day 1 and I've not bothered with him since. Maybe it's time, but I think there's much higher mafia chance people. So tell me what is wrong with Palmar's post. This post specifically? It's odd that you want me to look at a specific post, but here: The main problem is that Palmar doesn't have an opinion on one person (Scott) and hasn't read the filters of three others (Trfel, DanelerH, Tictock). At that point in the game, that was nearly half the players. Another issue I have with the post is the Geript read. As I have already said, it doesn't make sense for Geript to be Mafia. Granted, this was before the Day 2 lynch, but Palmar's read on Geript hasn't changed. The last issue I have is giving Town-reads for ridiculous reasons. For Scott, it was because of liking a post on Day 1 (granted, Palmar admitted to this being a weak read and classified it as "no opinion"). For me, xe thinks xe liked something I said (but can't remember) and I'm "not in [xyr] mental 'these people are scum' group". For Tictock, it was because of liking the images for reads.
It's pretty weird you skipped my other post as well. Please expand on ridiculous reasons please.
It's like this post from Vivax -
On September 01 2016 10:39 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 09:43 Vivax wrote:On September 01 2016 09:32 Trfel wrote: The thing I really don't like about Koshi, is why is he so confident about scott31337 being town?
I looked through Koshi's filter, and I didn't see any reasons that he gave that scott31337 is town. Koshi said that he built a town case on scott31337, so I missed it (please link?), but I'm not seeing anything.
I also saw where Koshi said that he doesn't think that scott31337 is mafia but he really could be. Since then, scott31337 has not done anything worth townreading him for (in my opinion anyway), but Koshi's become far more confident in scott31337 being town, for seemingly no reason. If anything, the vote count analysis makes scott31337 look scummier IMO, not townier.
So this really confuses me. You're just the hero I deserved. The shitty part about this game is that if you start making inquiries about people who suspect you, they start calling you a discreditor or dismiss all you write as omgus (disfo being the best example). I even admit to suspecting people who throw scum at me almost instinctively, which is why my play is the weakest when a lot of people suspect me. It just creates too many distractions for me to handle. Sure I could just not give a fuck and do it anyway but I've learned that it mostly hurts my already not very popular opinions. So while I do my scott thing you do this Koshi thing and we're gucci. Hope you enjoyed this post of self-awareness. Scum surely can learn something from it when it comes to tilting me. This post has townie feels or you just changed your "meta" so much that I've read before, fuck it man. I'm going back to watching Trump's speech though in my home town. ##Unvote
This is just so from a town mindset I finally figured out he was just tunneled town - It was just one post. Do you think that was ridiculous too?
Your reads seem quite opposite from Palmar and I and others.
I'll ask again -
I want to know who you think are the three mafia.
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On September 04 2016 22:03 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 17:39 scott31337 wrote:I also went thru filters looking for others names with my instincts and suspicions and I'm at HF/Trfel/x HF never speaks of Trfel and throws him a town read at On August 31 2016 06:39 Holyflare wrote: Thank you town Trfel. And then never again. And the third is probably not Tictock or DandelH. Somebody made this exact same argument against me in probably every single one of my town games and literally last onegu game people were spouting the same nonsense. Trfel said a lot of things that I agreed with d1 so why would I ever vote him or mention him? I only mention scummy things in my filters really. Also, you're conveniently ignoring that I voted to save you day 1 and switched to a town after making a case on another town. What would be the point when I could just afk?? You've somehow twisted a point that shouldn't be a point (why would a person vote or mention their tr) and made it into a point about them being mafia together. Furthermore why have you decided to start playing right as we hit end game? I feel like if you lost motivation day 2 for no reason then joining now would be exceptionally hard.
Like I've repeated for the third time, most of Thursday wasn't happening because of my American Football game, and Friday wasn't happening because of driving 100+ miles to our remote site to do network installs/fix computers. Then I got a call at work that day from my gf that the internet/cable was cut and I don't like posting from my phone - that didn't get fixed until Saturday night.
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On September 05 2016 21:18 Palmar wrote: Basically, if geript cares at all about town losing this game, nothing in his demeanor is showing he does.
So either he's mafia, or the most apathetic townie in history. I'm rolling the dice with scum.
I hear ya. I think he's #3.
What do you think of Trfel though? What about what TT posted on him?
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IE I'd rather have you vote for Trfel but I'm willing to change my vote if I cannot convince you to switch yours instead.
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On September 06 2016 01:10 Trfel wrote: Is now a good time to say that I am leaving a bit more than two hours before the deadline and might not make it back in time?
That's fine.
You're mafia so we'll make it happen without your vote.
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On September 06 2016 01:46 Palmar wrote: 4 hours boys, we're breaking the activity limit here.
You know it.
Koshi what do you think about Geript or Trfel? Palmar is NOT happening.
Come on man.
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Confirmed town hahahaha
You know if Trfel gets lynched you're screwed - of course you won't vote for him.
I'm waiting for TT to get back.
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Koshi I have faith in you like you have had faith in me at the beginning when many others were wrong but you stuck with your instincts.
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We need one more Palmar. Will you join us?
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On September 06 2016 03:23 Trfel wrote: So, assuming that I am right and the mafia team is scott31337, Tictock, and Palmar, with DanelerH on scott31337 and no guarantee that he returns to play, and geript on DanelerH and refusing to move his vote, and Koshi on me, the game is over.
So yeah. I still haven't had a chance to read Koshi's filter, so maybe he's mafia, but everyone else is townreading him for meta. Maybe geript is mafia, but I do think that he's town. So I'll guess that all three mafia are in scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, and Koshi, with Koshi being the less likely of the four, but still possible.
Doom and gloom and we still have two and a half hours left? Mmhmmm
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On September 06 2016 04:31 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 01:09 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 19:00 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 18:45 Palmar wrote: geript's two long posts are awful. He quotes a bunch of my posts and gives random commentary, then proceeds to make his conclusion some joke about marv.
Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught. Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch. Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things". Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this: On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:
Town HF Koshi Vivax
Leaning Town Trfel
Null Palmar Scott Rels
Scum Tumble RB disfo
Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~ Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point. So yeah. geript's entrance is shit. On August 29 2016 23:21 Palmar wrote:The point is, geript was generally "suspicious" or at least "meh" on most of the things I posted (which is incidentally a very weak stance to take) and then he does this: On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:On August 29 2016 07:29 Palmar wrote: Although just thinking that makes him like super likely to be town. Which kinda sucks, because it's a super "cheap" townread, but there is almost no way Race Bannon makes that post as mafia. Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up. Notice the "probably true". He agrees with my logic (and it's perfect logic, my RB read is literlally the best thing in this thread). Geript actually agrees that objectively RB's thought process should lead people to conclude he is town. On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote: Overall: HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual.
and yet he somehow ends up in geript's scumlist. Which basically proves the point that I was trying to make that geript's random commentary is just that, completely random and has no relevance to what he's actually thinking. His summary does not match with his commentary, because he's disassociated from his reads, ie: they're not real because they're not real. He's mafia. This is actually a really, really good day 1 case guys. Get in line. On September 01 2016 01:12 Palmar wrote:On September 01 2016 00:23 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:-snip- On August 29 2016 10:44 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though. thank you, I was proud of that read Wait, WTF???? This:
On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though.
This is a reason to townread someone? That's a pretty fucking terrible reason to think anyone's town. That said: On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. This is really fucking weird pair to be scumreading. -snip- HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. On August 31 2016 05:37 geript wrote:On August 31 2016 05:34 Koshi wrote: Reread TW his last 2 pages and he is giving us nothing... He just plays on emotions. Trying to survive. I'm giving meds in between reading, can you give me like a point by point on why you think he's scum. so I can think about it while I filter him. The worst I found is this. Geript goes WTF on TW, then ends up calling TT's reason to TR somebody terrible. No mention of TW at all here. His comment wasn't as WTF as it looks to be, it's rather ignored to jump to what TT said. Yet geript somehow ends up putting TW as mafia. Later asks somebody to give him a summary for why TW is mafia when he's already supposed to have his own. Can't find any besides an earlier mention of minus points for TW refusing to explain Palmar suspicion.Main point still is that geript had TW as scum for unclear reasons earlier, which he completely forgot around EoD when he wasted his vote on Danieler when he could have at least lynched scott for giving him the heebiejeebies. This here is a very similar (and very valid) point to the one I made on day 1 regarding geript's RB read. The concept is exactly the same: geript doesn't have any kind of internal consistency in his reads. I'm fine with people changing their minds, but this isn't as much changing his mind as it is just him saying random stuff at random times. On September 05 2016 20:29 Palmar wrote: I'm voting geript.
He has twice shown massive inconsistencies in his own reads.
He has done almost nothing to move the game in whatever direction he wants to take it.
He only comments on the game occasionally, and usually with little impact. Geript has been extreamly dull to me this game. I recall him having a bit more personality and drive. Votes/pushes have indeed felt pretty uninterested. Yea I could sheep this.
I'd rather convince Palmar to switch to Trfel, but if he will not, This will be my #2. I feel the least confident about geript, and that's mostly because Dandel could be mafia instead. The Geript/Dandel reads I feel the weakest on.
And if we do switch to Geript, we all do (Koshi/you/me) I want five on it if HF votes for geript as well.
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Tictock already went over points and so have I - you make it sound like there's nothing when there's quite a bit of evidence. You have to defend Trfel - if he gets lynched everything unravels for you and town has an extremely good chance of winning the game.
I'm still unsure if it's geript or dandiel for #3, - although I feel a little stronger on geript - but I have to go with a shot in the dark and with my town reads.
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On September 06 2016 05:43 Palmar wrote: that votecount is off.
also too many people agreeing with me on geript is scary.
although of course maybe I'm still right and mafia is just getting on the wagon. If geript flips mafia that does NOT mean everyone on his wagon now is town. HF and DH have basically haven't given a shit about my geript read until today.
^^^^
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