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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 29 2016 15:30 GMT
#421
On August 30 2016 00:02 Tictock wrote:
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On August 29 2016 22:59 disformation wrote:
Actually having a hard time interpreting these images.
You are agreeing with/sheeping my Palmar read?
You think the geript thing is so bad, you don't even know what to say about that?
No Idea what the thing about Scott is trying to tell me.


Maybe putting people with alignments helped?

I felt up to the challenge of putting my thoughts/feels on people out in this way. I'm mostly happy with my results.

remind me to set a new profile picture when I am at home later.
Yes, makes more sense now. Could have used that time to do a bit more scumhunting though. xD
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
August 29 2016 15:50 GMT
#422
Meh, it's too early in the game to get all tryhard imo.

I'm also hoping to see more from a few people, I'd be pretty happy if everyone in the game could get up to about two pages of filter.

Here are a few people I'd like to see more from to get better reads* :
DanelerH
Rels
Holyflare
Geript
Tumblewood

*Not in any order
I can take that responsibility.
DanelerH
Profile Joined August 2016
96 Posts
August 29 2016 15:50 GMT
#423
Rels certainly seems suspicious for having ony said "yo", then disappearing, but I don't think we have enough information to lynch him. I'm more interested in Geript right now. Other than the posts in the spoiler below, his strange reads are pretty much all he's said. It would be one thing if they were ordered by person, then gives an alignment after each one, but they're ordered by timestamp, which makes them seem a lot less coherent. As Palmar pointed out, there is also a pretty blatant contradiction in his read on Race Bannon. Because of this, I think I'm going to vote for Geript, as well.

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:
Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you

For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^

at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice.

This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself.


On August 29 2016 10:54 geript wrote:
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On August 29 2016 10:51 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:
Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you

For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^

at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice.

This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself.


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I do, but I'm at work. You'll get them later tonight.



##vote Geript
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
August 29 2016 16:17 GMT
#424
On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment.

Spoilered road to enlightenment.
+ Show Spoiler +

I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?".
The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games.
So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.

Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics.
Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game.
Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.

So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott.

What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff.

So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played:

- no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics.
- no committment to what he said.
- liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash.
- + one could go on about finding similarities.

Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia.

THE CASE ON SCOTT


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On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote:
Woohoo! Let's do this.

On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row


Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM?


Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested.

Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check.

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On August 29 2016 06:24 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.

Or he is mafia with him!

2 found?


More of what I was thinking


Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once.

Low committment to his declared opinion. Check.

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On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote:
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.


Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious.


Random low seriousness post. Check.

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On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote:
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.

please enlighten me.
for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?

Ah fantastic.

No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.

You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.

But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.

He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.


So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all

So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here)
and the other he starts just talking shit

Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks.

This could be a good idea.



Just for fun he checks Rels last two games.

He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded.
"Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT
"Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk.

Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check.

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On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:44 disformation wrote:
Eh, what do you think of Trfel?
Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing?

Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays.


He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean?


I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier.

Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check.

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On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:07 Race Bannon wrote:
I hope the host provided the scumteam with the VT flavor, or this will be a concise town victory.


This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP.

Did you roll mafia again?


Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check.

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On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:38 Holyflare wrote:
##vote disformation


Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad


His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check.

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On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


Random question.

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On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote:
DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone?


Useless question.

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On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote:
Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland.


COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment?

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On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts?


Random questions.

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On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:47 disformation wrote:
Yes Vivax much town. wow.


Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else?


Random questions.

Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope .

Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town


So the thing I need to figure out is why you posted this "case" - You had a slight townlean on you, so do you actually believe in it because you are town, or are people getting on the right track and you need to distract them (but you voted #2 on Rels, so Im doubtful it's because you and rels would be teammates then)

I love how you make me asking about D's time zone as you did - I wanted to know if he was in the Europe crowd or the NA/US crowd, that's it
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
August 29 2016 16:22 GMT
#425
Day 1: Vote Count #2
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Old but gold.




Votes:
  • Rels (2) - Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock
  • Trfel (0) - disformation
  • disformation (2) - Holyflare, Koshi, geript
  • Tumblewood (1) - Koshi Koshi
  • Koshi (0) - DanelerH
  • geript (3) - Palmar, disformation, DanelerH
  • scott31337 (1) - Vivax

Not voting (4) - Race Bannon, Tumblewood, Rels, Trfel.

Currently, geript is set to be lynched.




Remember, voting is mandatory. Please vote in the voting thread. If the vote count is not accurate or contains errors, please PM a host.

Day 1 will end in (deadline being Tuesday, Aug 30 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).

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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 29 2016 16:47 GMT
#426
Pretty simple. I ignored the initial pm post. That's the type of shit that flat out ruins games one way or another. At the time he had a short filter with an exceptionally unusual scum pair (Koshi + someone iirc). I remember missing it initially but when TT and TW were talking, TT had this awful townread reasoning and TW made a short post on how he and Koshi couldn't be scum together. And it got me thinking about how Race could ever pair those two. It's such an odd pairing that it stuck in my mind.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22143 Posts
August 29 2016 16:47 GMT
#427
I posted a case that adresses a lot of posts by scott being just fake contributions. I'm not going to do anything else for a while and spam the thread without cases like you plebs do.

Also not going to join any wagon EoD that isn't scott.

If you think you can do better let's see you do it.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22143 Posts
August 29 2016 16:56 GMT
#428
On August 29 2016 22:36 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 21:51 Vivax wrote:
I'm going to teh beach I want to see piles on scott when I'm back or I'll be a sad boy


Your WoT made my eyes bleed.

I gather you have some weirdly formed meta read on scott... I hate it. I should probably have good reasons why but I just don't buy the meta argument here.

Honestly I kinda hate that most of the cases put out there so far are heavily meta based. I suppose I should have expected that given this player list.


And you suck TT. It can't be a meta read cause I'm not judging him based on meta.

What I did is much better: I analyzed a confirmed scum in a finished game and found out that scott's play is the one which has most things in common with how a mafia plays, so he's likely mafia. Carefully laid out. That case is science, bitch!

If you won't read walls of text made by your suspect don't play this game thanks.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 29 2016 17:01 GMT
#429
On August 30 2016 01:47 geript wrote:
Pretty simple. I ignored the initial pm post. That's the type of shit that flat out ruins games one way or another. At the time he had a short filter with an exceptionally unusual scum pair (Koshi + someone iirc). I remember missing it initially but when TT and TW were talking, TT had this awful townread reasoning and TW made a short post on how he and Koshi couldn't be scum together. And it got me thinking about how Race could ever pair those two. It's such an odd pairing that it stuck in my mind.


For the thread:

That post (by TW) was made after RB posted his read, so it cannot (given a normal timeline) have influenced geript's concern about RB's pair. And that's if you even believe that throwing two people as possible mafia must mean you've also associated them enough to make sure they can be scum together.

Hell geript even forgets who was the in the pair, and then remembers next line.

We're going to have ourselves a dead geript for dinner.
Computer says mafia
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 29 2016 17:24 GMT
#430
On August 29 2016 17:55 disformation wrote:
I actually took a look at the meta read NM used to figure out scum!palmar in star wars the mafia awaken and then compared palmars filter from that game to the one he has here.
using that as a basis I too think Palmar is playing to his town meta this game.
I find the meta read you posted interesting, and it's partially correct That said, I'm not as confident on Palmar as I generally am, which annoys me a little bit.
On August 29 2016 18:54 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 18:51 disformation wrote:
TBH I am surprisingly cool with "my" meta thing on palmar.
And ofc I am willing to reevaluate as the game goes on. Need my waffelz!

Nah seriously I'll call Palmar town.

Does anyone have an opinion on HF? Cause I kinda dont and I am scared by that.

I really liked that extra dimension read he had on TW. Showed he is thinking about the game and not pretending to think about the game.

atm one of the most townie people.
Koshi, I find it very funny that you keep insisting that this game is within the range of Palmar's mafia play but say that Holyflare is super towny after a handful of posts. Do you not have a high opinion of Holyflare's scum play, or is there an extra nuance to this read?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 29 2016 17:28 GMT
#431
nah bruv my range is <-> that big as mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 29 2016 17:29 GMT
#432
I don't know if geript is pandering to my ego by calling me towny and voting with me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 29 2016 17:33 GMT
#433
but you guys can keep doing it, it just makes me the most town guy in this game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 29 2016 17:37 GMT
#434
In fact I'm just gonna call geript town because what he says, despite being basically a shit list post resonates with me on a deep fundamental lazy shit level
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
August 29 2016 17:47 GMT
#435
Holyflare, how strongly do you feel about disformation being mafia?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 29 2016 17:54 GMT
#436
I'm also more tempted to lynch Tumble because I don't remember him ever playing this badly as town (ignore last game since that was a wtf is going on game), it looks more like he's struggling to fit in at all and can't think of stuff to post:

On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.


^ first instance of a read that says absolutely nothing and then gives a free town read to vivax based on something that didn't even happen, feels forced to give a read at that moment

followed by posts that just involve talking to people aka nothingness conversation:

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2016 10:48 Tumblewood wrote:
yo daneler, you can just call everyone here "he". the effort is in good will, but it's really not necessary here.

On August 29 2016 10:52 Tumblewood wrote:
that reminds me, daneler, you're not going to get very far reading people for whether their posts are "contributive". this is the most common newbie mistake I see; it seems natural that town would want to contribute and scum wouldn't want to help town, but more often than not that reasoning will lead you astray. try evaluating posters' mindsets or look for inconsistencies.


^ this guy is against gender integration

On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me

On August 29 2016 11:42 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 29 2016 10:59 Holyflare wrote:
Bad how?

oh like I've been unusually lazy and bad


god there's so many i don't even want to quote them all


Anyway, following his crappy posts of nothingness that don't speak about anything to do with the game he has random moments of throwing around one liner posts of a read that have no explanation or follow up whatsoever:

On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia

On August 29 2016 11:45 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 29 2016 11:13 Tictock wrote:
On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


I hadn't noticed that everyone had posted.

Points to you for paying attention.

why is that a townlean

...

OH SHIT
tinfoil here, Scott is scum and intentionally dropping that he he's using a spreadsheet for town cred
or not, maybe

On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
meh I like scott now

On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
new scott > afk scott
and is also probably town


his only read of substance is his RB read which is very surface level anyway and not exactly a great read (also ignores what everyone was talking about with regards to RB and his pm crap) and this Scott read which is solely based on activity....

his entire filter is surface level blending

dude is mafia
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 17:56 GMT
#437
tt is scum for being too constructive. compare tt in shin megami tensei to tt in this game; in shin megami tensei I remember him reacting to everything in an obviously constructive but not-really-natural way. in this game I feel the same way about him. brb finding the post I'm thinking about
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 17:59 GMT
#438
hm I should have made this post yesterday when I saw this and remembered the post. maybe this was it?
On August 29 2016 12:01 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 11:54 DanelerH wrote:
but I'm still unfamiliar with everyone's playstyles.


To be honest sometimes being familiar with people can be as much a hindrance as a help.

I wouldn't place so much importance on it.

Besides sometimes half the fun is just in trying to figure out why this strange dude is posting like he is. Looking at you Race...

also the points/demerits shit. substitute for actually doing stuff. he's so polite though and my feels alarm is going off
good times for all
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 29 2016 18:02 GMT
#439
On August 29 2016 16:15 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 16:13 Trfel wrote:
On August 29 2016 16:10 disformation wrote:
and with all these questions I am fairly surprised you don't ask me where the hell my incredible hard TR on TT comes from.
Sure, why are you so confident that Tictock is town?

For correctly using meta to TR me, when he could just sheep one of the really strong players scumreading me.


In regards to Disformation, I'm not sure what to think of him at the moment but this post struck me as really dodgy. In the last game he played where he was mafia against me himself and shape pocketed me hard with town reads flung at me from every direction and "analysing" my posts d1 to correctly determine my alignment (my biggest weakness apparently) yet this game he's quite happy to town read someone doing the same thing to himself??? (Not to mention that I actually think TT is somewhat suspicious anyway)

Honestly, I don't think disformation is really doing anything much this game, he posts a lot sure and he says some things that align with what's happening but there's subtle things like the above post which make me confused that he actually thinks these things if he's town. I also don't particularly think there's much original thought in his filter.
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
August 29 2016 18:04 GMT
#440
intriguing tictock fiasco: makes this post
On February 16 2016 15:32 Tictock wrote:
Tumblewood
nooniansoong
The Shining
mderg
GlowingBear

These are the people who need to post more.

Rsoul is someone I have no idea how to read. Besides Outlaw have we played together before?

I might only know her via Co-hosting.

in a scum game, and makes a similar post this game. sources await whether this is a thing that happens in his town games.
good times for all
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