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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 29 2016 20:03 GMT
#461
so if you really want to know @ TT:
I didnt dislike his entry posts, actually kinda liked the one of vivax, despite not being of the same opinion. saw him correctly meta me and thought I want to throw a super hard TR on him for that, be super obnoxious about that and see what happens.

What I don't like now is that he basically has only 1 scum lean and a huge pool of nulls, but instead of going scum hunting he looks for pretty pictures for everyone. (think I mentioned this already).

wouldn't call him scum for that alone though. now I am kinda wiating for someone to confirm or unconfirm TW's meta read on TT, since I don't trust TW, but am a lazy cunt.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 29 2016 20:06 GMT
#462
I just told you I searched for the meta read and nothing popped up, even looked for the phrase "more posts" by TT and even this thread didn't show up so search is fucked. Database is fooked too :/
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 29 2016 20:08 GMT
#463
Also i better back off, I'm looking too towny. How can I claim cop now?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 29 2016 20:08 GMT
#464
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503525-shin-megami-tensei-the-devil-inside-mafia here is a game TT was scum. I was cohost. maybe that helps?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2016 20:09 GMT
#465
On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment.

Spoilered road to enlightenment.
+ Show Spoiler +

I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?".
The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games.
So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.

Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics.
Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game.
Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.

So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott.

What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff.

So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played:

- no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics.
- no committment to what he said.
- liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash.
- + one could go on about finding similarities.

Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia.

THE CASE ON SCOTT


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On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote:
Woohoo! Let's do this.

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On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row


Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM?


Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested.

Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:24 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.

Or he is mafia with him!

2 found?


More of what I was thinking


Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once.

Low committment to his declared opinion. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote:
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.


Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious.


Random low seriousness post. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote:
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.

please enlighten me.
for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?

Ah fantastic.

No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.

You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.

But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.

He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.


So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all

So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here)
and the other he starts just talking shit

Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks.

This could be a good idea.



Just for fun he checks Rels last two games.

He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded.
"Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT
"Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk.

Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:44 disformation wrote:
Eh, what do you think of Trfel?
Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing?

Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays.


He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean?


I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier.

Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check.

On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 07:07 Race Bannon wrote:
I hope the host provided the scumteam with the VT flavor, or this will be a concise town victory.


This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP.

Did you roll mafia again?


Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check.

On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 07:38 Holyflare wrote:
##vote disformation


Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad


His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check.

On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


Random question.

On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote:
DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone?


Useless question.

On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote:
Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland.


COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment?

On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts?


Random questions.

On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:47 disformation wrote:
Yes Vivax much town. wow.


Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else?


Random questions.

Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope .

Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town

So I spoilered everything terrible about this case. Seriously... I could take the exact same quotes and make it a case on why scott is town. He is lighthearted, enjoying the game and if you pay attention he keeps track of the game. Fact is that he instantly knew everybody already posted when TW complained how "bad" the game was. And he knew that because he already put down notes for everybody in a spreadsheet. How many mafia make spreadsheets with reads? The answer: + Show Spoiler +
0
.

Nothing in your case strikes me as mafia scott. Sure, some questions could also not be asked... But asking random questions gauging for reactions is called scumhunting and advancing the game.


tldr: Scott is town and you are mafia or very bad at the game.
I had a good night of sleep.
DanelerH
Profile Joined August 2016
96 Posts
August 29 2016 20:11 GMT
#466
On August 30 2016 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
Also, Daneler or w/e your name is, why have you ignored providing a read on disformation when he displayed the exact same traits that koshi did when you scum read koshi? I pointed it out and you've just jumped on geript for a point that is somewhat mediocre while ignoring evidence given to you that you yourself said you'd look into:

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On August 30 2016 00:50 DanelerH wrote:
Rels certainly seems suspicious for having ony said "yo", then disappearing, but I don't think we have enough information to lynch him. I'm more interested in Geript right now. Other than the posts in the spoiler below, his strange reads are pretty much all he's said. It would be one thing if they were ordered by person, then gives an alignment after each one, but they're ordered by timestamp, which makes them seem a lot less coherent. As Palmar pointed out, there is also a pretty blatant contradiction in his read on Race Bannon. Because of this, I think I'm going to vote for Geript, as well.

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On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:
Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you

For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^

at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice.

This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself.


On August 29 2016 10:54 geript wrote:
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On August 29 2016 10:51 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:
Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you

For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^

at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice.

This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself.


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I do, but I'm at work. You'll get them later tonight.



##vote Geript


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On August 29 2016 10:33 Holyflare wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:24 DanelerH wrote:
I find it odd that Koshi was suspicious of Trfel, but then defended Trfel shortly afterwards. If the former was said in jest, then it's another irrelevant and uncontributive post.


Also, if you're using this metric why are you going after Koshi and not hopping aboard the Disformation is mafia train with me? None of disformation's post can be mistaken for jokes, a lot of them defend people (Rels) and then scum lean them (based off a 2 letter post....)?

Also, everyone that is following the Palmar wagon on Rels and has said nothing more is in major cop out mode and I will be coming after you big time.




I'm not sure where you're going with the bolded portion. I only said I was going to look into someone else. Geript was the person I ended up looking into. Quite frankly, I find xym suspicous, whether you think it's a mediocre reason or not. Because I think it is a good reason, this is the vote I plan on sticking with.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 29 2016 20:12 GMT
#467
On August 30 2016 05:09 Koshi wrote:
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On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment.

Spoilered road to enlightenment.
+ Show Spoiler +

I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?".
The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games.
So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.

Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics.
Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game.
Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.

So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott.

What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff.

So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played:

- no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics.
- no committment to what he said.
- liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash.
- + one could go on about finding similarities.

Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia.

THE CASE ON SCOTT


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+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote:
Woohoo! Let's do this.

Show nested quote +
On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row


Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM?


Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested.

Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:24 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.

Or he is mafia with him!

2 found?


More of what I was thinking


Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once.

Low committment to his declared opinion. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote:
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.


Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious.


Random low seriousness post. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:
On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote:
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.

please enlighten me.
for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?

Ah fantastic.

No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.

You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.

But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.

He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.


So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all

So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here)
and the other he starts just talking shit

Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks.

This could be a good idea.



Just for fun he checks Rels last two games.

He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded.
"Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT
"Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk.

Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:44 disformation wrote:
Eh, what do you think of Trfel?
Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing?

Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays.


He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean?


I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier.

Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check.

On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 07:07 Race Bannon wrote:
I hope the host provided the scumteam with the VT flavor, or this will be a concise town victory.


This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP.

Did you roll mafia again?


Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check.

On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 07:38 Holyflare wrote:
##vote disformation


Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad


His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check.

On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


Random question.

On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote:
DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone?


Useless question.

On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote:
Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland.


COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment?

On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts?


Random questions.

On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote:
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On August 29 2016 06:47 disformation wrote:
Yes Vivax much town. wow.


Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else?


Random questions.

Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope .

Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town

So I spoilered everything terrible about this case. Seriously... I could take the exact same quotes and make it a case on why scott is town. He is lighthearted, enjoying the game and if you pay attention he keeps track of the game. Fact is that he instantly knew everybody already posted when TW complained how "bad" the game was. And he knew that because he already put down notes for everybody in a spreadsheet. How many mafia make spreadsheets with reads? The answer: + Show Spoiler +
0
.

Nothing in your case strikes me as mafia scott. Sure, some questions could also not be asked... But asking random questions gauging for reactions is called scumhunting and advancing the game.


tldr: Scott is town and you are mafia or very bad at the game.

I have seen 1 mafia trying to pull that spreadsheet thing. He was lynched when he wasnt unable to keep it and town realized he was just trying to cruise along based of the effort of doing that.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2016 20:12 GMT
#468
On August 29 2016 23:21 Palmar wrote:
The point is, geript was generally "suspicious" or at least "meh" on most of the things I posted (which is incidentally a very weak stance to take) and then he does this:

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On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:
On August 29 2016 07:29 Palmar wrote:
Although just thinking that makes him like super likely to be town. Which kinda sucks, because it's a super "cheap" townread, but there is almost no way Race Bannon makes that post as mafia.

Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up.


Notice the "probably true". He agrees with my logic (and it's perfect logic, my RB read is literlally the best thing in this thread). Geript actually agrees that objectively RB's thought process should lead people to conclude he is town.

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On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:
Overall:
HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual.


and yet he somehow ends up in geript's scumlist. Which basically proves the point that I was trying to make that geript's random commentary is just that, completely random and has no relevance to what he's actually thinking. His summary does not match with his commentary, because he's disassociated from his reads, ie: they're not real because they're not real. He's mafia.

This is actually a really, really good day 1 case guys. Get in line.

Even though this is just a rehearsing of what I said and everything I say should be taken as it came from Jeebus himself. (also I am confirmed God). I disagree it makes geript lock mafia.

Except for the RB read I can find myself in geripts reads. 1 bad read doesn't make somebody mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 29 2016 20:15 GMT
#469
Ahhh that's a bad post, you are keeping your vote on geript when he's already cleared up his inconsistency (which btw disfo/palmar/you) haven't even mentioned while you afk vote him but ignoring someone that provides the exact scummy traits you scum read someone for earlier???

For real ?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2016 20:19 GMT
#470
On August 30 2016 02:01 Palmar wrote:
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On August 30 2016 01:47 geript wrote:
Pretty simple. I ignored the initial pm post. That's the type of shit that flat out ruins games one way or another. At the time he had a short filter with an exceptionally unusual scum pair (Koshi + someone iirc). I remember missing it initially but when TT and TW were talking, TT had this awful townread reasoning and TW made a short post on how he and Koshi couldn't be scum together. And it got me thinking about how Race could ever pair those two. It's such an odd pairing that it stuck in my mind.


For the thread:

That post (by TW) was made after RB posted his read, so it cannot (given a normal timeline) have influenced geript's concern about RB's pair. And that's if you even believe that throwing two people as possible mafia must mean you've also associated them enough to make sure they can be scum together.

Hell geript even forgets who was the in the pair, and then remembers next line.

We're going to have ourselves a dead geript for dinner.

Yes, it could have influenced him if he didn't think much about the rb post when he saw it but then revisited the post when he saw TW his reply on it.

Doesn't make him scum at all.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2016 20:24 GMT
#471
On August 30 2016 02:24 Trfel wrote:
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On August 29 2016 17:55 disformation wrote:
I actually took a look at the meta read NM used to figure out scum!palmar in star wars the mafia awaken and then compared palmars filter from that game to the one he has here.
using that as a basis I too think Palmar is playing to his town meta this game.
I find the meta read you posted interesting, and it's partially correct That said, I'm not as confident on Palmar as I generally am, which annoys me a little bit.
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On August 29 2016 18:54 Koshi wrote:
On August 29 2016 18:51 disformation wrote:
TBH I am surprisingly cool with "my" meta thing on palmar.
And ofc I am willing to reevaluate as the game goes on. Need my waffelz!

Nah seriously I'll call Palmar town.

Does anyone have an opinion on HF? Cause I kinda dont and I am scared by that.

I really liked that extra dimension read he had on TW. Showed he is thinking about the game and not pretending to think about the game.

atm one of the most townie people.
Koshi, I find it very funny that you keep insisting that this game is within the range of Palmar's mafia play but say that Holyflare is super towny after a handful of posts. Do you not have a high opinion of Holyflare's scum play, or is there an extra nuance to this read?

HF is probably the best mafia player at this site, or at least has won the most games on his own. But in this game I think HF is town because I agree with all posts he makes 100% while I don't have the same feeling when I read Palmar his post. Do I think Rels is mafia for the reasons Palmar stated? Nope. Do I think geript is mafia for the reasons Palmar stated? Nope.

Do I agree with HF that TW is a flailing fish and should be lynched? Yes.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2016 20:25 GMT
#472
On August 30 2016 02:54 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also more tempted to lynch Tumble because I don't remember him ever playing this badly as town (ignore last game since that was a wtf is going on game), it looks more like he's struggling to fit in at all and can't think of stuff to post:

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On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.


^ first instance of a read that says absolutely nothing and then gives a free town read to vivax based on something that didn't even happen, feels forced to give a read at that moment

followed by posts that just involve talking to people aka nothingness conversation:

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 29 2016 10:48 Tumblewood wrote:
yo daneler, you can just call everyone here "he". the effort is in good will, but it's really not necessary here.

On August 29 2016 10:52 Tumblewood wrote:
that reminds me, daneler, you're not going to get very far reading people for whether their posts are "contributive". this is the most common newbie mistake I see; it seems natural that town would want to contribute and scum wouldn't want to help town, but more often than not that reasoning will lead you astray. try evaluating posters' mindsets or look for inconsistencies.


^ this guy is against gender integration

On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me

On August 29 2016 11:42 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 29 2016 10:59 Holyflare wrote:
Bad how?

oh like I've been unusually lazy and bad


god there's so many i don't even want to quote them all


Anyway, following his crappy posts of nothingness that don't speak about anything to do with the game he has random moments of throwing around one liner posts of a read that have no explanation or follow up whatsoever:

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On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia

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On August 29 2016 11:45 Tumblewood wrote:
On August 29 2016 11:13 Tictock wrote:
On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:
On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me


Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?


I hadn't noticed that everyone had posted.

Points to you for paying attention.

why is that a townlean

...

OH SHIT
tinfoil here, Scott is scum and intentionally dropping that he he's using a spreadsheet for town cred
or not, maybe

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On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
meh I like scott now

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On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
new scott > afk scott
and is also probably town


his only read of substance is his RB read which is very surface level anyway and not exactly a great read (also ignores what everyone was talking about with regards to RB and his pm crap) and this Scott read which is solely based on activity....

his entire filter is surface level blending

dude is mafia

Point and case. TW is not solving the game and is just doing random stuff. Not a single interesting post.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2016 20:27 GMT
#473
On August 30 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:
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On August 30 2016 03:10 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare, what do you think about Tumblewood's posts on Tictock? Especially since you said that you're also suspicious of Tictock.

actually next target trfel. or maybe I can save myself some time by asking whether trfel constantly asks "X, what do you think of Y?" as town/scum

HF posts a giant case on him and 4 posts later he decides to not comment on HF or the case on him? Nha. I don't believe this is town TW with nothing to lose.
I had a good night of sleep.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 29 2016 20:27 GMT
#474
@Koshi what do you think of TW's meta thing on TT?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2016 20:28 GMT
#475
On August 30 2016 05:27 disformation wrote:
@Koshi what do you think of TW's meta thing on TT?

I think it looks like a decent post but why does he post that and then fucks off?

Like I said.

How to find mafia 101:
- Look for the guy who made super disconnected posts from the flow of the thread and is just pretending to be scumhunting.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 29 2016 20:29 GMT
#476
On August 30 2016 05:27 disformation wrote:
@Koshi what do you think of TW's meta thing on TT?


Is this all you're gonna keep saying? D:

No comment on Daner and the constant inconsistent approach to scum reading people? No update to your geript read since you vote him and he's posted clarification? No proper engagement with me?

Are you scared this game since I'm posting actual cases now disfo?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
August 29 2016 20:29 GMT
#477
On August 30 2016 05:27 disformation wrote:
@Koshi what do you think of TW's meta thing on TT?

mafia!TW found something he could put out there that didn't look super terrible and went for it.

Where you convinced by the post? Do you scumread TT now?
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
August 29 2016 20:31 GMT
#478
Lol koshi i don't actually hate tw after he posted that :D

Not totally anyway.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 29 2016 20:31 GMT
#479
On August 30 2016 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
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On August 30 2016 05:27 disformation wrote:
@Koshi what do you think of TW's meta thing on TT?


Is this all you're gonna keep saying? D:

No comment on Daner and the constant inconsistent approach to scum reading people? No update to your geript read since you vote him and he's posted clarification? No proper engagement with me?

Are you scared this game since I'm posting actual cases now disfo?

im tired not scared. <3
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
August 29 2016 20:31 GMT
#480
also: my comment on geript is already made.
i am starting to see koshis and your arguments though
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