disfo or Damdred should get the item. we don't want GB getting it for sure.
also the "except under special circumstances" clause of pushing and pulling yourself intrigues me greatly.

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 22 2016 23:02 GMT

#3202

On August 23 2016 08:00 prplhz wrote:
i feel like pushing Half the Sky

two birds with one stone

i get rid of her nonsense (and she might be scum) and it makes it harder to kill me

are you kidding me prplhz
revoking my absolute townread

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 22 2016 23:05 GMT

#3205

I don't know very much except how to make a plan. so here's the plan:
we create a plan
whoever our kills are, we figure out exactly how many pushes / pulls to give everyone. sounds good? sounds good.

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 22 2016 23:08 GMT

#3208

I jumped the gun. now I'll jump the gun in the other direction and say that prplhz is 100% scum for being this blatantly anti-town.

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 22 2016 23:10 GMT

#3212

On August 23 2016 08:06 prplhz wrote:
how about screw your dumb plan that includes killing a bunch of townies

##Push Lunaticman

he could be scum???

is this really the reasoning a townie uses using their only push of the cycle? come on now. rly dumb at best

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 22 2016 23:13 GMT

#3215

consider that every stupid push creates an extra move needed + a lost move. consider that prplhz pushes "might be scum" hastily. obvious scum.
gb/chez/prplhz/iamp are claiming anti-town

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 22 2016 23:15 GMT

#3217

On August 23 2016 08:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Also I read Palmar's ruleset very very carefully 3 or so times....and I think Kurumi might have tried to actually pull Chez to safety.

Pushing anyone off the conveyor belt means another row (in this case, row 6) will become red, as in the incinerator becomes larger.

"more spots on the incinerator...." etc.

could be any row if you think about it

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 22 2016 23:17 GMT

#3223

On August 23 2016 08:14 Half the Sky wrote:

Show nested quote +

How I understand #4 is that you can push someone off the conveyor belt and that player escapes (the hellish nightmare), but for those palyers left on, more of the incinerator is deadly.

Ergo, what Kurumi did was anti-town.

good to see we're on the same page.
I agree with lots that we shouldn't be idiots and push / pull without a plan. that's how we lose this game.

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 22 2016 23:23 GMT

#3233

ideally:
- we as town get the item
- GB, chezinu, iamp, prplhz, and maybe kurumi die
- no one falls off the edge (too unpredictable for my taste)

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 22 2016 23:24 GMT

#3235

On August 23 2016 08:21 prplhz wrote:
you should start pushing me or i'm gonna pull myself to make this even harder on you

you can't pull yourself.
unless you actually can and you should tell us

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 22 2016 23:32 GMT

#3240

we can have 3 people use their pushes and pulls on disfo or 5 their pushes. one more is needed to make sure scum can't kill him.
GB could use another push
I want to say we should make sure Damdred doesn't die, but is he even town? I've just been blindly trusting in him all game.
chez needs about 4 pushes. do him before iamp to save on pushes.

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 22 2016 23:34 GMT

#3242

I need to check the diagram again, run some numbers. pulls are less useful than pushes but conserve them anyway. we want a situation where it would take a highly coordinated effort to ruin our position.

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 23 2016 00:19 GMT

#3259

+ Show Spoiler [current position] +

1.[__________][___________]
2.[___________][__________]
3.[__Item__][__________]
4.[__________][__________]
5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_]
6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation_]
7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_]
8.[___________][_Shapelog_]
9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_]
10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___]
11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][___________]
12.[__prplhz__][_Meapak_Ziphh_]
13.[_Chezinu_][__Kurumi__]
14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_]
15.[__________][__________]

1 push on kurumi
1 push on chez
1 push on prp + Show Spoiler [we are here] +

1.[__________][___________]
2.[___________][__________]
3.[__Item__][__________]
4.[__prplhz__][__________]
5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_]
6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation_]
7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_]
8.[_Chezinu_][_Shapelog_]
9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_]
10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___]
11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][__Kurumi__]
12.[__________][_Meapak_Ziphh_]
13.[__________][__________]
14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_]
15.[__________][__________]

1 push on kurumi
1 push on disfo (assume we don't use the item / it doesn't change everything drastically)
1 pull on disfo + Show Spoiler [we are here] +

1.[__________][___________]
2.[___________][__________]
3.[__________][__________]
4.[__prplhz__][__Kurumi__]
5.[_GlowingBear_][_Lunaticman_]
6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation w/item_]
7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_]
8.[_Chezinu_][_Shapelog_]
9.[_Half the Sky_][_iamperfection_]
10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___]
11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][__________]
12.[__________][_Meapak_Ziphh_]
13.[__________][__________]
14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_]
15.[__________][__________]

1 push on iamp
1 push on chez
1 push on GB
+ Show Spoiler [we are here] +

1.[__________][___________]
2.[_GlowingBear_][__________]
3.[_iamperfection_][_Chezinu_]
4.[__________prplhz__][__Kurumi__]
5.[__________][_Lunaticman_]
6.[_Damdred_][_Disformation w/item_]
7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_]
8.[__][_Shapelog_]
9.[_Half the Sky_][__________]
10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___]
11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][__________]
12.[__________][_Meapak_Ziphh_]
13.[__________][__________]
14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_]
15.[__________][__________]

1 pull on luna (maybe)
1 pull on damdred
1 pull on disfo + Show Spoiler [final position] +

1.[__________][___________]
2.[_GlowingBear_][__________]
3.[_iamperfection_][_Chezinu_]
4.[__prplhz__][__Kurumi__]
5.[__________][__________]
6.[__________][__________]
7.[_Stutters_][_fecalfeast_]
8.[_Lunaticman_][_Shapelog_]
9.[_Half the Sky_][_Damdred_]
10.[_sicklucker_][___Rels___]
11.[_Artanis[Xp]_][_Disformation w/item_]
12.[__________][_Meapak_Ziphh_]
13.[__________][__________]
14.[_Kitaman27_][_Tumblewood_]
15.[__________][__________]

we have 1 PoP of buffer room for every change. woohoo! takes 8 pushes and 4 pulls

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 23 2016 00:21 GMT

#3260

that also leaves us ~7 pushes and ~9 pulls to fix any problems..

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 23 2016 00:35 GMT

#3265

On August 23 2016 09:24 Rels wrote:
I believe iamp is truly 3p though so it's kinda a waste. Mafia are not immune to lynch it's just not fair for town if they are, so it makes sense that hes 3p

iamp, as 3p in a scum-favored situation, will side with the mafia. he explicitly said that he will mafia side because he doesn't think town can win. obviously if we get some mafia kills he might change his mind, but it's a wild card I don't like.

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 23 2016 00:36 GMT

#3266

On August 23 2016 09:25 Chezinu wrote:
Don't forget, it is illegal for humans to do any activity except to communicate. Animals, Aliens (non-humans one, obv), buildings, robots, concepts... you can push and pull. Zombies? I'm not sure... Are you human enough? dead enough?

Chez was not elected world leader. Chez would have fought the aliens. I would have crushed them. But now we know who our world leader is... so we must follow the leader. Simon says human activity is illegal except to communicate. I will perform no actions, if I am human that is. I will obey all orders, if I am human that is.

shit is this true?
brb making sure I can legally PoP

Tumblewood

United States3709 Posts

August 23 2016 00:38 GMT

#3267

I don't think it works like that, considering it would mean that only about a quarter of the game would be able to play. if it does though,

4. Humans can be PoPed to the edge of the conveyor belt (aka the highest or lowest slot on the queue). If they are pushed past that they will escape the hellish nightmare. However for every player that escapes, the flames will burn brighter, making more spots "red" aka "dead".

is interesting regarding nonhumans. it implies that everyone on the conveyor belt is a human though so I think humans can PoP too. I shall ask our glorious host palmar.