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Luna / BTDT should be auto. That sucks. Keep talking if you can about stuff. I just remembered that Luna came back voting scott. Then tried to lynch KSC. This is a town indicator for scott, given that Luna was looking for a lynch other than him. We have to take chances this game, and I think we can take the gamble that scott is town. It is very possible. Never lynch silent. Maybe never lynch Celestial. Skynx I'm less sure about. But probably town. So last scum is likely among Moosy / J Roc. Maybe I lied and I will read their filters tomorrow. Maybe not. I would lynch Luna / BTDT / Moosy right now. Moosy is actually playing very, very close to his scum meta from a recent game of his. I'll do a post about it tomorrow if I have the time. | ||
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On August 05 2016 08:25 MoosyDoosy wrote: I know you love seeing me on tilt especially since I've ruined so many games for you when I was randomly blue but maybe you're just wrong after literally all these games all the time? It's a win/win for me to scumread you. If you're scum I'm just better than you. If you're town you're just so bad. EZ (= | ||
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On August 05 2016 08:23 Rels wrote: Since I suppose I'm gonna be killed I'm gonna post my last will right now: Luna / BTDT should be auto. That sucks. Keep talking if you can about stuff. I just remembered that Luna came back voting scott. Then tried to lynch KSC. This is a town indicator for scott, given that Luna was looking for a lynch other than him. We have to take chances this game, and I think we can take the gamble that scott is town. It is very possible. Never lynch silent. Maybe never lynch Celestial. Skynx I'm less sure about. But probably town. So last scum is likely among Moosy / J Roc. Maybe I lied and I will read their filters tomorrow. Maybe not. I would lynch Luna / BTDT / Moosy right now. Moosy is actually playing very, very close to his scum meta from a recent game of his. I'll do a post about it tomorrow if I have the time. I want to brag but I don't want to be banned forever | ||
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On August 10 2016 06:34 Onegu wrote: Requesting a 10 game ban for rels for posting in a on going game. Requesting a 3 games ban for Onegu for smurfslipping 3 times. | ||
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On August 10 2016 06:48 beentheredonethat wrote: We will be in the Hospital for the next few days. She Hit her head hard when she slipped and fell in swimming hall. Shes not in danger. Thanks for the kind thoughts and words. Sorry  That's something at least. Hope she gets better quickly | ||
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During D2 before the last 1h30, Lunatic was looking to be the lynch 100%. So of course he's gonna get bussed. That means it was a good opportunity to see how people reacted to that lynch. People that took the time to think about stuff instead of being sheeps were likely town: silent, Celestial, Skynx. People that were kinda useless and just sheeped were potential scum: JRoc, Moosy, scott. People that wrote that post was 95% scum: On August 05 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote: Having read your post, I find it highly interesting that you get me into a connection with Lunatic, given that I voted him D1 and didnt stop to bring him up to people's conciousness again and again. Youre relucting to vote Lunatic or at least I take that from your wording. Why? Also, I feel like youre wrong on scott, he's in my town circle. He's fairly actice, pushy, and I can see where most of his reads come from. I actually let go of my town lean of you. If Lunatic flips red, I can easily see you bussing here to gain towncred. I am also a bit paranoid about a scott, you and lunatic team but for now the only reason to add Scott to that list is the pterequisite that you are scum, so its highly associative. Makes sense though. I am still having headaches from MoosyDoosy, too. But yeah. This day should end with a Lunatic lynch. If Kelsier survives the night, He should be the lynch next day. We'll most likely loose Rels as uncced vig though so Kelsier surviving should be NAI... but yeah hes not contributing at all although he WAS in the thread. BTDT didn't try to find any reason for Lunatic to be scum during D2; but he's voting him and is already treating Lunatic as super likely to flip scum + drawing teams about that fact. To expand, here is what BTDT could do in this position: Town motivated: Looking ot see IF Lunatic is really scum (like silent / Celestial / me) OR try to find people more likely to flip scum than Lunatic (like Skynx). Scum motivated: See the Lunatic's scum flip as unstoppable and prepare the post-lynch by drawing associations with other people. BTDT did the scum motivated thing here. I should have explained it better before getting killed but seeing as everybody was scumreading BTDT when I was still alive, I did not think it was necessary. Should have done that. We definitely would have lost without that Moosy modkill, and even with it it would have been a close game. | ||
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On August 10 2016 22:21 Half the Sky wrote: Just some constructive criticism here, I realise I had perfect information so take this as you will. We can all agree that KSC's play didn't support his claim - veteran SHOULD be trying to draw the shot and veteran is the easiest claim to make as mafia. Fine. Town also failed to fully evaluate Luna's motivation to claim when the vote was 6:1 and you had two mislynches left with no mafia flipped and a tonne of other evidence with Luna. Edit: I can understand those players already townreading Luna to just hop on to KSC without any further evaluation, this is in reference to those who weren't sure/scumreading both. The big thing I told Luna in QT was that when he claimed he didn't out with the n1 save, which for most experienced players is a huge scum tell/indicator of a fakeclaim, and in pure irony it was teammate Moosy that inquired about the save. Luna entirely played to survive but he had to otherwise he was going down 1 for 0. To be fair what KSC said in his defence didn't help him at all but at the very worst proper claim analysis on both players and holding people accountable for the decision making would have also helped in the event of a mislynch. When KSC dropped his last reads prior to death (usually a town tell, but not exclusively), I was STILL waiting for someone to freak out thinking "wait that's similar to mine..." and switch back to Luna. It is easier to preserve the guy being present but it is a tendency for people to ignore the reasons for being present or absent, or whether they are alignment indicative. It happens quite often, just saying. TLDR: Proper claim analysis (evaluating both players) could have resulted in a correct lynch or more information for town after the mislynch. I disagree with the conclusion. KSC was the right lynch there. His play showed a willingness to be killed without disclosing any info to the town => scum indicative + the opposite of how a vet should play. Luna WAS pretty scummy, and people picked on him: Grack D1, silent N1, me D2. He would have been 100% the lynch if KSC play wasn't so bad. On the other hand I agree with the general tips in your post. Mafia will almost always claim in Lunatic's position, and town should consider claims with care. I just think that in this game KSC lynch was the right one IMO. | ||
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Thanks to kita and you for hosting too. | ||
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BTDT's bussing was pretty obvious if you knew he could do that (in his only other game on this website he was scum in a all newbie scum team and was the only one that tried to bus) but his tryharding starting D3 was pretty good, more than good enough to get almost anyone lynched before him. Again though, if anyone had read his previous game, he would have known it didn't make him town necessarily. In that previous game, the dude was CONFIRMED scum by mechanics, and still tryharded like crazy trying to get someone else lynch. It went to the point that a lot of people started to have doubts, even though he was confirmed scum via the setup. BTDT, seeing the level of tryhardness you're able to invoke as scum, I look forward playing with town!you. Moosy was kinda unreadable without meta but with meta he was likely scum. I think objectively he had an OK scum game before his modkill. Luna is a hard case. Objectively he played a good scum game. BUT it was just sooo different from the game he just played that he was pretty obvious scum, and I'm not talking only about activity. His town game is just so fluid and erratic and obviously town that it's hard to reproduce. Kinda Koshi style. I look forward for your other big write ups. (= | ||
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On August 11 2016 17:21 disformation wrote: yo rels your shot on grack was so anti-town i wss convinced you were scum fake claiming, unzil cele explained why this wozld be the worst scum play ever I had to shoot him. He duelled me. PEW PEW I agree it was an objectively bad shot BUT I would have shot silent if not Grack. And silent went on to become super townie during D2, then modconfirmed just before deadline. So it's probably better I murdered Grack than shot a guy that would become a confirmed town later. | ||
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On August 11 2016 17:27 Skynx wrote: Were you 1-shot? Yeah | ||
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On August 11 2016 17:36 Lunaticman wrote: To be fair, if you didn't do that I would have gotten both of you killed. I had it setup that way, your early claim when I was AFK saved you because I couldn't CC like I wanted to in case either of you or Grac was a blue role. I just didn't suspect that you would shot him or vice verse if that was the case. So you kinda ruined my plan. Bro it's good to be confident but I would have never been lynched over you. Never. It would have been a mistake to CC me. | ||
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On August 11 2016 18:35 Lunaticman wrote: My point being, that if you were a VT, I would have gotten you killed easy. Don't overestimate your power. The whole Grac/Rels thing would have been super easy to pin a mafia between the two of you. The only way for you to survive a misslynch was to do what you did. The point is that I wouldn't have AFKd 46 hours of D1 if I was VT. But even if I did that, I disagree that lynching me was going to be an easy thing to do, especially since you didn't have time D2. You're going about this the wrong way about this: just because people thought Grack and I were super scummy during D1 doesn't mean that one of us was going to be the lynch D2 (assuming we were both VT and alive D2). A mafia game just doesn't work like that. As scum, you shouldn't be stuck on one path to victory. It's an easy (and normal) mistake to make. Imagine if Grack and I became super townie D2. The mistake you could have made, seeing your posts, if that you continue to tunnel the both of us all day, showing a scum mentality: townies look for scum and WILL re evaluate a lot over the course of the game; it's almost impossible for a townie to be 100% right D1/N1. Scum have a tendency to think a lot more about who they want to push, decide who is the perfect lynch, and get stuck with their reads. It's a mistake a lot of newbies (and vet actually) scum make. So no, just because you had killer cases on Grack / I N1 doesn't mean you would have mislynched the both of us starting D2. It's possible that you would have made it work; but it's also possible that you would become obvious scum incapable of re evaluating in the face of new evidences. | ||
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On August 12 2016 15:21 Lunaticman wrote: I agree with you, Im just very confident I would have suceeded.  well I didnt have time to do it then either way so your also correct in that regard. But I would have liked to try!Let's battle in a next game then (= | ||
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