• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:43
CET 11:43
KST 19:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1815Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises2Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I would like to say something about StarCraft (UMS) SWITCHEROO *New* /Destination Edit/ What monitor do you use for playing Remastered? BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET SLON Grand Finals – Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 12 Days of Starcraft
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1319 users

Newbie Student Mafia XXII - Page 24

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 64 Next
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
August 01 2016 21:39 GMT
#461
On August 02 2016 06:33 J Roc wrote:
I'm not lynching mderg. I agree with a lot of his reads.

You're saying a lot of my reads but there really weren't that many.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
August 01 2016 21:44 GMT
#462
On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:56 Skynx wrote:
Also Moosy how is KSC town is that a tone read?

Yes.

On August 01 2016 22:54 mderg wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote:
On August 01 2016 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote:
On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking.

I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it.

This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy?

I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this.

However I have huge issues with this bit:

Right now I'm kind of inclined to lynch Mderg just because I think the three people he has pushed so far (Silentwarrior, Lunatic, scott) have been the townier people in the thread, and he has pushed suspicion on two of them and tried to policy lynch the third.


No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean.
The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's.

I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia.

Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic!

As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things.

My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott.

I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away.

That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise).

explAin dood

Race Bannon simply posted gibberish which is obnoxious and annoying but not really alignment indicative.

scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated.
His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post.

So do you think btdt's post was shit or good?

it was bad

So you're scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post?

The scumread itself is not my issue with scott. I'll try to explain it again.

btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial.
Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody.
He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town".

That's just way too superficial for me. There's no effort to really figure people out in there, just focusing on single posts with imo very little value. It's like he's following a simple line of seeing a obviouslybad post -> seeing people calling those posts out -> townreading those people. I'd expect a townie to put a bit more thought into it than that.


This post makes me much more in favor of a silent lynch over mderg now that I've read his filter
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
August 01 2016 21:48 GMT
#463
On August 02 2016 06:36 -Celestial- wrote:
EBWOP: I don't like silent as much as I did but I still think he's pretty scummy.

For clarification there, before someone decides to misrepresent me.

Out of curiosity, what did you see in his post that makes you less sure?

Before he was a plynch essentially, now he's someone I actively want to lynch.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
August 01 2016 21:51 GMT
#464
On August 02 2016 05:13 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 02 2016 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as I can tell your only real point against him is he's not super active and didn't comment on celestial's post regarding you. He did say he was leaning town on you which implies he at least disagreed with it.

He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game.

We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk.
We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on.

With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you?

I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first.


I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile.

If you missed most of day1 why would you push me like this? If I missed most of day 1 I'd at least show some caution with my reads rather than barge in with a 75% certain scum read like you did.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 01 2016 21:54 GMT
#465
On August 02 2016 06:36 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 06:35 -Celestial- wrote:
I'm kinda open to being convinced on mderg honestly. I don't like the silent vote as much as I did before his last post (though his silence through this game has been deafening). And if I shift I think that switches the vote off scott, who I really don't want to see lynched D1. And I don't think its likely other trains will get going at this point unless someone picks up on something really blatant.

Can anyone provide a concise, clear, convincing argument to switch right now?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=23


I already mentioned your first post on that page here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=23#447


Second post: His scott read is yeah, pretty shallow. But calling it non-evolving is a stretch when the three posts of his you quoted appeared to be him first stating the read. Then elaborating on it. Then apparently trying to clarify what he meant when someone misunderstood what he was getting at.

This post I quite like. Point 1 is alright. Though I would note that if mderg is guilty because of that then BTDT is even guiltier for wanting to lynch even though we were getting a replacement; though he did come back and admit it was a terrible post anyway later (though I'm not sure just admitting fault there is necessarily town-motivated; he put himself in a hell of a bind, the only option was to backtrack). Point 2 is good. Point 3 appears to be based off a feeling of hypocrisy unless I'm not getting what you're getting at; that is to say he's calling out scott's posting for being shallow whilst his own reading on scott is pretty shallow. But I'm not sure that necessarily makes mderg scum.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
August 01 2016 21:56 GMT
#466
On August 02 2016 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 05:13 Stutters695 wrote:
On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 02 2016 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as I can tell your only real point against him is he's not super active and didn't comment on celestial's post regarding you. He did say he was leaning town on you which implies he at least disagreed with it.

He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game.

We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk.
We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on.

With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you?

I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first.


I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile.

If you missed most of day1 why would you push me like this? If I missed most of day 1 I'd at least show some caution with my reads rather than barge in with a 75% certain scum read like you did.

Neither of us are getting lynched today, so let's focus on determining who is the best lynch. We have one hour until the lynch. I don't doubt my read, but I don't have the thread presence to make this happen.

What did you think about silent's return post and voting for me?
J Roc
Profile Joined September 2015
96 Posts
August 01 2016 21:57 GMT
#467
On August 02 2016 06:39 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 06:33 J Roc wrote:
I'm not lynching mderg. I agree with a lot of his reads.

You're saying a lot of my reads but there really weren't that many.


Mainly Scott. I am fairly tunneled.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 01 2016 21:58 GMT
#468
On August 02 2016 06:48 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 06:36 -Celestial- wrote:
EBWOP: I don't like silent as much as I did but I still think he's pretty scummy.

For clarification there, before someone decides to misrepresent me.

Out of curiosity, what did you see in his post that makes you less sure?

Before he was a plynch essentially, now he's someone I actively want to lynch.


Mostly the stuff on scott and BTDT. I don't necessarily AGREE with him on everything there but the tone felt less scummier than the rest of what he's posted to date.

I'm still pretty content to see him lynched though. Feels like a reasonable shot of hitting mafia.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 01 2016 21:59 GMT
#469
On August 02 2016 06:54 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 06:36 Rels wrote:
On August 02 2016 06:35 -Celestial- wrote:
I'm kinda open to being convinced on mderg honestly. I don't like the silent vote as much as I did before his last post (though his silence through this game has been deafening). And if I shift I think that switches the vote off scott, who I really don't want to see lynched D1. And I don't think its likely other trains will get going at this point unless someone picks up on something really blatant.

Can anyone provide a concise, clear, convincing argument to switch right now?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=23


I already mentioned your first post on that page here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=23#447


Second post: His scott read is yeah, pretty shallow. But calling it non-evolving is a stretch when the three posts of his you quoted appeared to be him first stating the read. Then elaborating on it. Then apparently trying to clarify what he meant when someone misunderstood what he was getting at.

This post I quite like. Point 1 is alright. Though I would note that if mderg is guilty because of that then BTDT is even guiltier for wanting to lynch even though we were getting a replacement; though he did come back and admit it was a terrible post anyway later (though I'm not sure just admitting fault there is necessarily town-motivated; he put himself in a hell of a bind, the only option was to backtrack). Point 2 is good. Point 3 appears to be based off a feeling of hypocrisy unless I'm not getting what you're getting at; that is to say he's calling out scott's posting for being shallow whilst his own reading on scott is pretty shallow. But I'm not sure that necessarily makes mderg scum.


EBWOP *I quite like the feel of
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
August 01 2016 22:01 GMT
#470
On August 02 2016 06:56 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 02 2016 05:13 Stutters695 wrote:
On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 02 2016 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as I can tell your only real point against him is he's not super active and didn't comment on celestial's post regarding you. He did say he was leaning town on you which implies he at least disagreed with it.

He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game.

We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk.
We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on.

With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you?

I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first.


I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile.

If you missed most of day1 why would you push me like this? If I missed most of day 1 I'd at least show some caution with my reads rather than barge in with a 75% certain scum read like you did.

Neither of us are getting lynched today, so let's focus on determining who is the best lynch. We have one hour until the lynch. I don't doubt my read, but I don't have the thread presence to make this happen.

What did you think about silent's return post and voting for me?

I'm already voted for Mderg. Silent's post looks fine to me, what's your issue with it?
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 01 2016 22:02 GMT
#471
On August 02 2016 06:34 Stutters695 wrote:
I was fine with a plynch, now I'll vote for one of silent/mderg(pending a re-read of his filter). Silent's entire comeback post is a summary except his "case" on me. His "case" shows either a complete lack of following the thread (it was incredibly obvious my vote was for a plynch, as well as C's) or, more maliciously, intentional misrepresentation. Either way, that isn't going to cut it after disappearing for so long.


How was your vote on me a policy lynch? For that matter, how am I supposed to know it's a policy lynch when you write no arguments or anything to back up your vote? Celestial posted arguments and thouthts about me before voting, even if I disagree about them.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
August 01 2016 22:04 GMT
#472
On August 02 2016 04:39 -Celestial- wrote:
Honestly...sod it.

I don't like silent's posts in the thread so far and he's nowhere to be seen. I don't want to get in trouble for not voting at all so for now (and in case I don't get time to come back on later) I'm parking my vote there. If nothing else it dials up the pressure on him to actually post something more.

##Vote: silentwarrior


Pretty straightforward that it's a plynch.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 01 2016 22:05 GMT
#473
Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it?
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 01 2016 22:08 GMT
#474
On August 02 2016 07:04 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 04:39 -Celestial- wrote:
Honestly...sod it.

I don't like silent's posts in the thread so far and he's nowhere to be seen. I don't want to get in trouble for not voting at all so for now (and in case I don't get time to come back on later) I'm parking my vote there. If nothing else it dials up the pressure on him to actually post something more.

##Vote: silentwarrior


Pretty straightforward that it's a plynch.


Well its got a little more meat on it than just that given that I didn't like his position on KSC either. But the total lack of anything else to go on is making this very frustrating. :-\
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 01 2016 22:13 GMT
#475
On August 02 2016 07:04 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 04:39 -Celestial- wrote:
Honestly...sod it.

I don't like silent's posts in the thread so far and he's nowhere to be seen. I don't want to get in trouble for not voting at all so for now (and in case I don't get time to come back on later) I'm parking my vote there. If nothing else it dials up the pressure on him to actually post something more.

##Vote: silentwarrior


Pretty straightforward that it's a plynch.


As I said, he had made other arguments about me before. But you haven't even mentioned me before the vote, and you just quote Celestial vote just 4 minutes after he made it. So in 4 minutes you went from never mentioning me to voting for me?

Also, please explain how it is a policy lynch. On what basis do you lynch me on? You still haven't said that other than saying it's a policy lynch.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
August 01 2016 22:15 GMT
#476
On August 02 2016 07:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 06:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On August 02 2016 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 02 2016 05:13 Stutters695 wrote:
On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 02 2016 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as I can tell your only real point against him is he's not super active and didn't comment on celestial's post regarding you. He did say he was leaning town on you which implies he at least disagreed with it.

He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game.

We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk.
We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on.

With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you?

I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first.


I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile.

If you missed most of day1 why would you push me like this? If I missed most of day 1 I'd at least show some caution with my reads rather than barge in with a 75% certain scum read like you did.

Neither of us are getting lynched today, so let's focus on determining who is the best lynch. We have one hour until the lynch. I don't doubt my read, but I don't have the thread presence to make this happen.

What did you think about silent's return post and voting for me?

I'm already voted for Mderg. Silent's post looks fine to me, what's your issue with it?


It shows either a general lack of disinterest(not following along) or an inability to make actual reads.
1) blatant misunderstanding/misrepresentation in his case on me.

2) his point on Scott again shows how little attention he is actually paying. He didn't immediately accuse 4 people of being scum, he said he'd expect to find scum on the wagon and would thus look into them.

3) his scum reads don't show a lot of thought in them while his town reads do. When I first rolled mafia it was incredibly hard to give scum reads with any sort of genuine belief when you know they're town. Bussing and town reads are much easier to give. I'm getting those vibes hard from his comeback post and his lynch gives much more info than a lynch on mderg.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
August 01 2016 22:16 GMT
#477
On August 02 2016 07:05 silentwarrior wrote:
Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it?


If we leave aside the fact I think you're kinda scummy...honestly you have a bit of a point that he's not really said much about you. In a normal game I'd say it was very weird but given the rock-bottom activity level its significantly harder to read.

That being said I don't think its out of line where he said about lynching a lurker and then voted you. You weren't in thread for ages at that point. You were lurking. After throwing out a few scummy posts throwing probably-undeserved shade on KSC. It wasn't a great look for you.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
August 01 2016 22:18 GMT
#478
On August 02 2016 07:05 silentwarrior wrote:
Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it?

These posts are townie:
On August 02 2016 06:44 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote:
On August 02 2016 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:56 Skynx wrote:
Also Moosy how is KSC town is that a tone read?

Yes.

On August 01 2016 22:54 mderg wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote:
On August 01 2016 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote:
On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking.

I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it.

This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy?

I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this.

However I have huge issues with this bit:

[quote]

No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean.
The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's.

I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia.

Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic!

As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things.

My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott.

I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away.

That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise).

explAin dood

Race Bannon simply posted gibberish which is obnoxious and annoying but not really alignment indicative.

scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated.
His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post.

So do you think btdt's post was shit or good?

it was bad

So you're scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post?

The scumread itself is not my issue with scott. I'll try to explain it again.

btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial.
Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody.
He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town".

That's just way too superficial for me. There's no effort to really figure people out in there, just focusing on single posts with imo very little value. It's like he's following a simple line of seeing a obviouslybad post -> seeing people calling those posts out -> townreading those people. I'd expect a townie to put a bit more thought into it than that.


This post makes me much more in favor of a silent lynch over mderg now that I've read his filter

On August 02 2016 06:48 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 06:36 -Celestial- wrote:
EBWOP: I don't like silent as much as I did but I still think he's pretty scummy.

For clarification there, before someone decides to misrepresent me.

Out of curiosity, what did you see in his post that makes you less sure?

Before he was a plynch essentially, now he's someone I actively want to lynch.

So I'm not sure of anything on Stutters.
silentwarrior
Profile Joined July 2015
131 Posts
August 01 2016 22:22 GMT
#479
On August 02 2016 07:16 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 07:05 silentwarrior wrote:
Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it?


If we leave aside the fact I think you're kinda scummy...honestly you have a bit of a point that he's not really said much about you. In a normal game I'd say it was very weird but given the rock-bottom activity level its significantly harder to read.

That being said I don't think its out of line where he said about lynching a lurker and then voted you. You weren't in thread for ages at that point. You were lurking. After throwing out a few scummy posts throwing probably-undeserved shade on KSC. It wasn't a great look for you.


That's not the thing that sticks out about the vote. It's that he dosen't mention me at all, then without much explanation votes for me, quoted your vote only 4 minutes after you posted it. Didn't say anything at all himself.

Also, you can't still think it's still undeserved shade at KSC? He was in thread not too long ago and still didn't contribute. I'd say some of that shade is pretty deserved by now.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
August 01 2016 22:24 GMT
#480
On August 02 2016 07:13 silentwarrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 07:04 Stutters695 wrote:
On August 02 2016 04:39 -Celestial- wrote:
Honestly...sod it.

I don't like silent's posts in the thread so far and he's nowhere to be seen. I don't want to get in trouble for not voting at all so for now (and in case I don't get time to come back on later) I'm parking my vote there. If nothing else it dials up the pressure on him to actually post something more.

##Vote: silentwarrior


Pretty straightforward that it's a plynch.


As I said, he had made other arguments about me before. But you haven't even mentioned me before the vote, and you just quote Celestial vote just 4 minutes after he made it. So in 4 minutes you went from never mentioning me to voting for me?

Also, please explain how it is a policy lynch. On what basis do you lynch me on? You still haven't said that other than saying it's a policy lynch.


You were afk for a long period and hadn't really contributed. Unlike rels, you had actually said things and people commented on you however, which makes you a much more logical policy lynch than someone who hadn't posted at all. I don't understand the confusion.
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 64 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1d 2h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 81
DivinesiaTV 66
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2043
Horang2 1838
GuemChi 1429
Stork 659
Jaedong 512
Soma 405
actioN 381
Hyuk 380
Larva 306
Zeus 271
[ Show more ]
Shuttle 246
Last 172
EffOrt 120
PianO 119
Leta 110
ggaemo 89
ToSsGirL 80
Sharp 71
ZerO 65
hero 63
Shine 33
NaDa 27
Mind 27
yabsab 26
Nal_rA 25
Sacsri 18
HiyA 17
Barracks 16
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Noble 11
Dota 2
Gorgc2195
NeuroSwarm117
Other Games
Fuzer 334
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1063
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Light_VIP 30
• Adnapsc2 15
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• HappyZerGling153
Upcoming Events
OSC
1d 2h
Korean StarCraft League
1d 16h
OSC
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
2 days
OSC
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Patches Events
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-Race Season 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.