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On August 02 2016 07:22 silentwarrior wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:16 -Celestial- wrote:On August 02 2016 07:05 silentwarrior wrote:
Rels, what's your take on stutters and my case about him? I read yours on mderg and agree with most of what you wrote, but Stutter's is so blatantly mafia. Also, can others also comment on it? If we leave aside the fact I think you're kinda scummy...honestly you have a bit of a point that he's not really said much about you. In a normal game I'd say it was very weird but given the rock-bottom activity level its significantly harder to read. That being said I don't think its out of line where he said about lynching a lurker and then voted you. You weren't in thread for ages at that point. You were lurking. After throwing out a few scummy posts throwing probably-undeserved shade on KSC. It wasn't a great look for you. That's not the thing that sticks out about the vote. It's that he dosen't mention me at all, then without much explanation votes for me, quoted your vote only 4 minutes after you posted it. Didn't say anything at all himself.
He didn't need to. Like he said he'd be fine lynching into inactives. Implied to be for policy. I think its a pretty poor reason to get on a wagon at this stage (we do at least have SOMETHING to go on) but still...its a reason.
Also, you can't still think it's still undeserved shade at KSC? He was in thread not too long ago and still didn't contribute. I'd say some of that shade is pretty deserved by now.
Your posts at the time? Absolutely it was undeserved shade.
Now?
Hmm...you know what? Let me re-read KSC's filter. Give me five-ten minutes to have a think about this.
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meh, I don't really feel anything about this shutters/silent stuff. Shutters' vote on silent is a bit edgy but I totally see why he'd vote silent.
I can also see why silent doesn't like the vote on him and sees shutters as scum. Strange situation.
putting my vote on silent because I want to save myself and see him as the only other realistic option.
##vote silentwarrior
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On August 02 2016 07:15 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:01 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 06:56 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 05:13 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as I can tell your only real point against him is he's not super active and didn't comment on celestial's post regarding you. He did say he was leaning town on you which implies he at least disagreed with it.
He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game. We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk. We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on. With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you? I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first. I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile. If you missed most of day1 why would you push me like this? If I missed most of day 1 I'd at least show some caution with my reads rather than barge in with a 75% certain scum read like you did. Neither of us are getting lynched today, so let's focus on determining who is the best lynch. We have one hour until the lynch. I don't doubt my read, but I don't have the thread presence to make this happen. What did you think about silent's return post and voting for me? I'm already voted for Mderg. Silent's post looks fine to me, what's your issue with it? It shows either a general lack of disinterest(not following along) or an inability to make actual reads. 1) blatant misunderstanding/misrepresentation in his case on me. 2) his point on Scott again shows how little attention he is actually paying. He didn't immediately accuse 4 people of being scum, he said he'd expect to find scum on the wagon and would thus look into them. 3) his scum reads don't show a lot of thought in them while his town reads do. When I first rolled mafia it was incredibly hard to give scum reads with any sort of genuine belief when you know they're town. Bussing and town reads are much easier to give. I'm getting those vibes hard from his comeback post and his lynch gives much more info than a lynch on mderg.
I reread him and I don't really agree with your conclusion.
1)He's voting you because he thought your case on me was weak and he didn't like that you voted him when you had never mentioned him before. I don't see the misrepresentation.
2) it's not a bad post really. Scott did kind of did accuse all 4 at the start and then choose which one was the scummiest from the four. I think it is at least worth considering.
3) For day 1, I think that's what I would expect. I think the first coaching advice I ever got was that if you're just able to leave day 1 with some strong town reads you're in good shape. Day 1 lynches tend to be hit or miss and this game especially has been bleh.
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Actually don't even need five minutes. Its tiny.
KSC's entire filter amounts to commenting on going for a wine run. Calling the game stupid followed by wanting to get rid of Race (which is totally NAI without a flip, Race was being a pain in the arse) and actively voting for him saying he wasn't putting up with that garbage.
Then posting he was back after Race was banned, claiming town. Acting totally flippant towards Lunatic (which I was initially towning him for, because mafia isn't so flippant, but I don't know now because he's done literally nothing since). Then calling the game terrible. Saying Skynx is okay but he doesn't like anyone else. And then saying he's busy in work and probably won't be around for deadline.
He didn't even change his vote off scott after the switch.
What the hell? Possible shenanie option right here?
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On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT
I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch.
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On August 02 2016 07:15 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:01 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 06:56 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 05:13 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as I can tell your only real point against him is he's not super active and didn't comment on celestial's post regarding you. He did say he was leaning town on you which implies he at least disagreed with it.
He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game. We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk. We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on. With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you? I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first. I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile. If you missed most of day1 why would you push me like this? If I missed most of day 1 I'd at least show some caution with my reads rather than barge in with a 75% certain scum read like you did. Neither of us are getting lynched today, so let's focus on determining who is the best lynch. We have one hour until the lynch. I don't doubt my read, but I don't have the thread presence to make this happen. What did you think about silent's return post and voting for me? I'm already voted for Mderg. Silent's post looks fine to me, what's your issue with it? It shows either a general lack of disinterest(not following along) or an inability to make actual reads. 1) blatant misunderstanding/misrepresentation in his case on me. 2) his point on Scott again shows how little attention he is actually paying. He didn't immediately accuse 4 people of being scum, he said he'd expect to find scum on the wagon and would thus look into them. 3) his scum reads don't show a lot of thought in them while his town reads do. When I first rolled mafia it was incredibly hard to give scum reads with any sort of genuine belief when you know they're town. Bussing and town reads are much easier to give. I'm getting those vibes hard from his comeback post and his lynch gives much more info than a lynch on mderg.
1) Explain
2) He did say "So I'm going to look at who voted for him and when and I think we'll find mafia there." and then mentioned the four people my name. What else is that?
3) You just said one of my townreads showed I had little attention, now you say they have are good? Also, you are using meta for yourself on me. It dosen't work like that.
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On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch.
If you think I'm scum, shenanie onto me right now. Because this game is silly as hell.
Incidentally, mderg just transferred the kill vote to himself I think. Though an updated count would be great to confirm.
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On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch.
It isn't me the only one seeing this as well?
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By my reckoning right now mderg and scott had the same number of votes. mderg just transferred off scott to put it on silent. Now both silent and mderg have the same amount, but mderg hit it first. So...
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On August 02 2016 07:36 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch. If you think I'm scum, shenanie onto me right now. Because this game is silly as hell. Incidentally, mderg just transferred the kill vote to himself I think. Though an updated count would be great to confirm.
Rules say most recent, so he was set from before his change. I think im the one that's set now. Im gonna vote mderg for that reason.
##Unvote
##Vote: Mderg
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On August 02 2016 07:15 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:01 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 06:56 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 05:13 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as I can tell your only real point against him is he's not super active and didn't comment on celestial's post regarding you. He did say he was leaning town on you which implies he at least disagreed with it.
He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game. We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk. We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on. With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you? I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first. I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile. If you missed most of day1 why would you push me like this? If I missed most of day 1 I'd at least show some caution with my reads rather than barge in with a 75% certain scum read like you did. Neither of us are getting lynched today, so let's focus on determining who is the best lynch. We have one hour until the lynch. I don't doubt my read, but I don't have the thread presence to make this happen. What did you think about silent's return post and voting for me? I'm already voted for Mderg. Silent's post looks fine to me, what's your issue with it? It shows either a general lack of disinterest(not following along) or an inability to make actual reads. 1) blatant misunderstanding/misrepresentation in his case on me. 2) his point on Scott again shows how little attention he is actually paying. He didn't immediately accuse 4 people of being scum, he said he'd expect to find scum on the wagon and would thus look into them. 3) his scum reads don't show a lot of thought in them while his town reads do. When I first rolled mafia it was incredibly hard to give scum reads with any sort of genuine belief when you know they're town. Bussing and town reads are much easier to give. I'm getting those vibes hard from his comeback post and his lynch gives much more info than a lynch on mderg.
I really think a mderg lynch gives us a lot more information. It's curious you say this.
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Day One Votecount
mderg (3): Grackaroni, scott31337, Rels, Grackaroni
silentwarrior (3): -Celestial-, Stutters695, Mderg
scott31337 (2): KelsierSC, mderg, Stutters695, beentheredonethat, J Roc
Rels (1): Skynx, Lunaticman
Lunaticman (1): Grackaroni, beentheredonethat
Stutters695 (1): JRoc, Grackaroni, silentwarrior
Beentheredonethat (1): scott31337, Skynx
KelsierSC (0): Grackaroni, silentwarrior, scott31337
Not Voting (1): MoosyDoosy,
Currently Mderg is set to be lynched.
The deadline is Monday, Aug 01 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). You have to vote!
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EBWOP:
##Unvote
##Vote: Mderg
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On August 02 2016 07:37 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch. It isn't me the only one seeing this as well?
Itt we make meaningless associations before the flip.
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Ok, so apparently mderg did transfer the kill vote to himself.
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On August 02 2016 07:40 silentwarrior wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:36 -Celestial- wrote:On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch. If you think I'm scum, shenanie onto me right now. Because this game is silly as hell. Incidentally, mderg just transferred the kill vote to himself I think. Though an updated count would be great to confirm. Rules say most recent, so he was set from before his change. I think im the one that's set now. Im gonna vote mderg for that reason. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mderg
See above.
The votes went Scott on 3, then mderg hit 3, then you hit 3 when mderg switched and scott went to 2. Leaving mderg as the one as first in queue to be lynched. Now mderg is on 4.
That's the usual rule from when I used to play around here last year anyway.
On August 02 2016 07:41 scott31337 wrote:
I really think a mderg lynch gives us a lot more information. It's curious you say this.
Honestly I agree with you. Stutters' reasoning is highly questionable on that point.
I think silent is a better chance of hitting mafia though.
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On August 02 2016 07:45 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:37 scott31337 wrote:On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch. It isn't me the only one seeing this as well? Itt we make meaningless associations before the flip.
Association reads based on assuming a guy who actively put himself into the vote lead is going to flip mafia.
Yeah its kinda funny.
Honestly at this point I almost inclined to want people to shenanie onto either myself or KSC. Just to see what would happen.
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Actually I just noticed that the entire Silent train is those 3 people so ignore that last part. Scum probably wouldn't stack all 3 on one person.
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Scum doesn't hammer themselves. Just saying.
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On August 02 2016 07:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Scum doesn't hammer themselves. Just saying.
I don't think scum is less likely than town to do so. The discussion hasn't been on lynching Scott in ages so all we can assume is that Mderg thought a vote on Silent was the best chance of staying alive.
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