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On August 02 2016 05:26 Skynx wrote:
Anyway I think this is my preferred priority algorythm for now:
Rels>Stutters>btdt>Grack>silent
So imo i liked gracks posts more than other two. Can't really quote out specific ones but his interactions felt more like natural towny to me.
Rels is plynch, same with silent.
We can also throw a curveball and go Luna if we don't want to deal with similar behavior cuz he didnt changed much but pretty sure he's town.
So one policy lynch (who just came back to the game) is a better lynch than any of your scum reads who are all better than the other policy lynch?
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On August 02 2016 05:37 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 04:02 mderg wrote:On August 02 2016 04:00 Skynx wrote:On August 02 2016 03:55 mderg wrote:On August 02 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote:
Anyway 1st things 1st, mderg, stutters, KSC and jroc pls move away from Scott there is no way he is scum, thank you. What makes you so sure about that? 1: RB kept trolling when roles piled up on him. While scum may not panic sometimes, he definitely didn't look like he gave two fucks if he died right then. 2: Scott had a nice entry 3: You guys are just voting to shut him up, now regardless of alignment its a different player who is at least putting effor in the game. 1. I agree 2. I don't think so. In my opinion his entry was pretty bad 3. No, for me at least. Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 00:04 mderg wrote:
Based on the last page I'd say we policy lynch Race Bannon. It will just get more and more obnoxious, if he continues to post like this. So I simply want to get this out of the way.
##vote Race Bannon Hmm actually thats quite bad. Bunch of other stuff not really saying much. He also likes my comment saying RB is a lazy scumread. Like as inconsistent as it gets.
Holy misrepresentation batman. Basically every post between the two you quoted talked about why he felt Scott was scummy.
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Dear Grack/Silent: I'm not getting lynched, consider consolidating to someone who actually has a chance of getting lynched. Kthx
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I was fine with a plynch, now I'll vote for one of silent/mderg(pending a re-read of his filter). Silent's entire comeback post is a summary except his "case" on me. His "case" shows either a complete lack of following the thread (it was incredibly obvious my vote was for a plynch, as well as C's) or, more maliciously, intentional misrepresentation. Either way, that isn't going to cut it after disappearing for so long.
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On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 22:56 Skynx wrote:
Also Moosy how is KSC town is that a tone read? Yes. On August 01 2016 22:54 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 22:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 22:05 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 21:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote:On August 01 2016 12:57 Grackaroni wrote:On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking. I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it. This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy? I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this. However I have huge issues with this bit: Right now I'm kind of inclined to lynch Mderg just because I think the three people he has pushed so far (Silentwarrior, Lunatic, scott) have been the townier people in the thread, and he has pushed suspicion on two of them and tried to policy lynch the third. No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean. The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's. I think that mafia tends to play more subdued is a pretty standard idea that most players would accept. I'm not saying Race Bannon could never be mafia but lynching the guy who goes out of his way to spam the thread and pisses everybody off in the process is definitely not a good place to start if you want to hit mafia. Silent made the first serious accusatory post of the game and put himself in the spotlight. I liked the post just because I think that Kelsier's non-contribution would look scummy to a newcomer, but the start of the game is the easiest time to "contribute". All I've gathered so far is that Kelsier seems annoyed from the state of the game and can't be assed to start playing. I don't really read Kelsier either way. Also I can disagree with a post's conclusions and still townread somebody for their post. Case in point, I don't really agree with your reads or any of the reasoning attached to them, but I'm still very thankful for something to comment on and will give a town read for it. It's magic! As for my choice not to post my thoughts before getting other people's. Are you saying that I'm afraid of putting forth my own thoughts before seeing other people's or something else? I don't think that will be too much of an issue. Actually I think the reason I've come up here in the first place is that I've actually put out some of the more distinctive things. My point here for Mderg is that he's pushed three slots that I feel are town slots. What kind of deception do you think I'm trying to slip under the radar here? Anyone can read his filter in 30 seconds and see whether he has posted about Race bannon or Scott. I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away. That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise). explAin dood Race Bannon simply posted gibberish which is obnoxious and annoying but not really alignment indicative. scott made a list of people who had their vote on Race Bannon and took picked one of those to push. It doesn't take a town hero to call BTDT out on that. Then he gives town points to J Roc for having called out the same post by BTDT. He also liked silentwarrior's post regarding Kelsier which I didn't like for reasons already stated. His thoughts so far seem superficial and lacking any sort of depth. And that's something I see as scummy, more so than one obviously bad post. So do you think btdt's post was shit or good? it was bad So you're scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post? The scumread itself is not my issue with scott. I'll try to explain it again. btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial. Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody. He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town". That's just way too superficial for me. There's no effort to really figure people out in there, just focusing on single posts with imo very little value. It's like he's following a simple line of seeing a obviouslybad post -> seeing people calling those posts out -> townreading those people. I'd expect a townie to put a bit more thought into it than that.
This post makes me much more in favor of a silent lynch over mderg now that I've read his filter
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On August 02 2016 06:36 -Celestial- wrote:
EBWOP: I don't like silent as much as I did but I still think he's pretty scummy.
For clarification there, before someone decides to misrepresent me.
Out of curiosity, what did you see in his post that makes you less sure?
Before he was a plynch essentially, now he's someone I actively want to lynch.
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On August 02 2016 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 05:13 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as I can tell your only real point against him is he's not super active and didn't comment on celestial's post regarding you. He did say he was leaning town on you which implies he at least disagreed with it.
He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game. We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk. We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on. With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you? I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first. I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile. If you missed most of day1 why would you push me like this? If I missed most of day 1 I'd at least show some caution with my reads rather than barge in with a 75% certain scum read like you did.
Neither of us are getting lynched today, so let's focus on determining who is the best lynch. We have one hour until the lynch. I don't doubt my read, but I don't have the thread presence to make this happen.
What did you think about silent's return post and voting for me?
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On August 02 2016 04:39 -Celestial- wrote:
Honestly...sod it.
I don't like silent's posts in the thread so far and he's nowhere to be seen. I don't want to get in trouble for not voting at all so for now (and in case I don't get time to come back on later) I'm parking my vote there. If nothing else it dials up the pressure on him to actually post something more.
##Vote: silentwarrior
Pretty straightforward that it's a plynch.
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On August 02 2016 07:01 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 06:56 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 05:13 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as I can tell your only real point against him is he's not super active and didn't comment on celestial's post regarding you. He did say he was leaning town on you which implies he at least disagreed with it.
He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game. We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk. We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on. With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you? I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first. I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile. If you missed most of day1 why would you push me like this? If I missed most of day 1 I'd at least show some caution with my reads rather than barge in with a 75% certain scum read like you did. Neither of us are getting lynched today, so let's focus on determining who is the best lynch. We have one hour until the lynch. I don't doubt my read, but I don't have the thread presence to make this happen. What did you think about silent's return post and voting for me? I'm already voted for Mderg. Silent's post looks fine to me, what's your issue with it?
It shows either a general lack of disinterest(not following along) or an inability to make actual reads.
1) blatant misunderstanding/misrepresentation in his case on me.
2) his point on Scott again shows how little attention he is actually paying. He didn't immediately accuse 4 people of being scum, he said he'd expect to find scum on the wagon and would thus look into them.
3) his scum reads don't show a lot of thought in them while his town reads do. When I first rolled mafia it was incredibly hard to give scum reads with any sort of genuine belief when you know they're town. Bussing and town reads are much easier to give. I'm getting those vibes hard from his comeback post and his lynch gives much more info than a lynch on mderg.
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On August 02 2016 07:13 silentwarrior wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:04 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 04:39 -Celestial- wrote:
Honestly...sod it.
I don't like silent's posts in the thread so far and he's nowhere to be seen. I don't want to get in trouble for not voting at all so for now (and in case I don't get time to come back on later) I'm parking my vote there. If nothing else it dials up the pressure on him to actually post something more.
##Vote: silentwarrior Pretty straightforward that it's a plynch. As I said, he had made other arguments about me before. But you haven't even mentioned me before the vote, and you just quote Celestial vote just 4 minutes after he made it. So in 4 minutes you went from never mentioning me to voting for me? Also, please explain how it is a policy lynch. On what basis do you lynch me on? You still haven't said that other than saying it's a policy lynch.
You were afk for a long period and hadn't really contributed. Unlike rels, you had actually said things and people commented on you however, which makes you a much more logical policy lynch than someone who hadn't posted at all. I don't understand the confusion.
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On August 02 2016 07:37 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch. It isn't me the only one seeing this as well?
Itt we make meaningless associations before the flip.
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Scum doesn't hammer themselves. Just saying.
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On August 02 2016 07:55 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:54 mderg wrote:On August 02 2016 07:51 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 07:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Scum doesn't hammer themselves. Just saying. I don't think scum is less likely than town to do so. The discussion hasn't been on lynching Scott in ages so all we can assume is that Mderg thought a vote on Silent was the best chance of staying alive. Why else would I change my vote to silent other than staying alive. I'm not stupid enough to play the "I'm hammering myself" card I know. I just don't think that you doing so precludes you from being mafia, as stutters suggested.
Scum also have a tendency to think things through a bit more than town.
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GG, sorry Mderg.
Jroc, wtf
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On August 02 2016 08:03 Shapelog wrote:
Final Day One Votecount
mderg (4): Grackaroni, scott31337, Rels, Grackaroni, Slientwarrior
silentwarrior (3): -Celestial-, Stutters695, Mderg, J Roc
scott31337 (1): KelsierSC, mderg, Stutters695, beentheredonethat, J Roc
Rels (1): Skynx, Lunaticman
Lunaticman (1): Grackaroni, beentheredonethat
KelsierSC (1): Grackaroni, silentwarrior, scott31337, Mderg
Beentheredonethat (1): scott31337, Skynx
Stutters695 (0): JRoc, Grackaroni, silentwarrior
Not Voting (1): MoosyDoosy,
If we have a vig, they should shoot into btdt, lunatic, jroc, skynx, ksc, moosy or silent. My preference would be silent>ksc> rest personally if you believe in my read. If not just shoot a lurker.
Outside of Silent, these people also need to justify their complete lack
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JRoc, since you're here, what do you make of those last few hours before the lynch?
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Going to get my thoughts out there so people can argue them in case I get shot tonight. My main two scum reads first.
Grack: Looks pretty bad from the day in general. Even worse after the flip. Doing a re-read as I post this.
#234 - it's weird that he has a town read on RB, but null.
#237- Want to note his "mafia play more subdued" comment.
Moving on.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 01 2016 08:19 Grackaroni wrote:Alright now my thoughts. I thought Silentwarrior's opening post was fine. I don't agree with his thoughts on Kelsier, but it seemed like reasoning a new town player would make. Furthermore, I thought that he would probably be an easy target for scum since he wrote out a case on Kelsier for posts that aren't really alignment indicative. Show nested quote +On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post: On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though. But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC On July 31 2016 17:12 KelsierSC wrote:
This game is fucking stupid. I'll see you all this evening when hopefully something reasonable has been posted. So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us. On July 31 2016 19:07 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm not putting up with this shit for the whole game
##vote Race Bannon
See you all in a few days Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post. I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do. ##vote Kelsier SC Since earlier in the thread J roc and Mderg posted suspicions on Silentwarrior based on that post and the day has been so slow, I wanted to see if a wagon would form. Not much came from it. Skynx said Silentwarrior was suspicious and Mderg reaffirmed his suspicion. Right now I'm kind of inclined to lynch Mderg just because I think the three people he has pushed so far (Silentwarrior, Lunatic, scott) have been the townier people in the thread, and he has pushed suspicion on two of them and tried to policy lynch the third.
This post bothers me. At best this is lazy scumhunting when he should know better. This post lacks any justification into why scum mderg would push those people, just that he should be lynched for having different reads.
#326 slight positive for calling out skynx, petty easy thing to see and no real follow-up to be found.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 02 2016 02:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 02:35 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 02:27 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 02:24 Stutters695 wrote:
Grack, who is your biggest scumread and why? I don't have any. Right now I'm just trying to narrow down who I want to vote between you/Skynx/J Roc/BtDt. Everyone else I don't want to lynch today. So not a single one of us sticks out above another to you? Nope. I might have a slight preference for Skynx but my reasoning is too useless to even bother explaining. I've actually looked through filters quite a bit and I'm pretty much just calling it quits. I'm going to see if Rels shows up and see what he has to say.
Has dropped Mderg without any new scumreads of merit or even real suspicion.
#358 His case is built on Btdt's case while only contributing that L didn't comment on C's point against grack, however in the quote L thinks he "is probably town" in direct contrast to C's scum lean.
Followed by some omgus on me, but I consider that pretty null.
Now onto crunch time:
Says he's going to re-read Lunas filter from a previous game.
OMGUS vote on me with no actual intent to push me.
Doesn't follow up on the Luna meta read.
Sheeps Rels on Mderg. Again, nothing original.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 02 2016 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 07:15 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 07:01 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 06:56 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 06:51 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 05:13 Stutters695 wrote:On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:On August 02 2016 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as I can tell your only real point against him is he's not super active and didn't comment on celestial's post regarding you. He did say he was leaning town on you which implies he at least disagreed with it.
He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game. We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk. We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on. With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you? I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first. I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile. If you missed most of day1 why would you push me like this? If I missed most of day 1 I'd at least show some caution with my reads rather than barge in with a 75% certain scum read like you did. Neither of us are getting lynched today, so let's focus on determining who is the best lynch. We have one hour until the lynch. I don't doubt my read, but I don't have the thread presence to make this happen. What did you think about silent's return post and voting for me? I'm already voted for Mderg. Silent's post looks fine to me, what's your issue with it? It shows either a general lack of disinterest(not following along) or an inability to make actual reads. 1) blatant misunderstanding/misrepresentation in his case on me. 2) his point on Scott again shows how little attention he is actually paying. He didn't immediately accuse 4 people of being scum, he said he'd expect to find scum on the wagon and would thus look into them. 3) his scum reads don't show a lot of thought in them while his town reads do. When I first rolled mafia it was incredibly hard to give scum reads with any sort of genuine belief when you know they're town. Bussing and town reads are much easier to give. I'm getting those vibes hard from his comeback post and his lynch gives much more info than a lynch on mderg. I reread him and I don't really agree with your conclusion. 1)He's voting you because he thought your case on me was weak and he didn't like that you voted him when you had never mentioned him before. I don't see the misrepresentation. 2) it's not a bad post really. Scott did kind of did accuse all 4 at the start and then choose which one was the scummiest from the four. I think it is at least worth considering. 3) For day 1, I think that's what I would expect. I think the first coaching advice I ever got was that if you're just able to leave day 1 with some strong town reads you're in good shape. Day 1 lynches tend to be hit or miss and this game especially has been bleh.
This post especially bothers me. He doesn't acknowledge the clear distinction between a plynch and normal vote which is especially odd considering I was his vote before sheeping Rels.
Second point again is wrong. Just soft defending.
Although I disagree, I can understand the third point as a difference in philosophy. I'd recommend reading Ver's analysis because what I'm accusing Silent of is strikingly similar to what Grack is doing.
The post as a whole comes off as a soft defense of Silent, which looks bad with what happens after. Again to emphasize, he is not contributing to finding scum, but softing town reads and slight pushes for non-indicative things . One might even say it's subdued play.
Not spoilering these because they're the most important.
On August 02 2016 07:35 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:
mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT I'm seeing a lot of squirming within Rels' scum reads between celestial and stutters, so I would beg town to follow through on this mderg lynch.
Pre-flip associations that accomplish nothing. It's also worth noting how he's just on board with a town Rels with essentially no doubt despite Rels just showing up.
He does backtrack on the associations in his next post, rendering this null, but still a lack of any real contribution.
With 3 minutes remaining, he finally accepts C and my argument that scum more than likely wouldn't vote how Mderg did, but he "waited too long for shennys" then apologizes to Mderg. It comes off as him being very worried of his appearance after the flip.
This dude scum. I'll check his meta tomorrow, but to be frank, I don't think it's even needed.
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If anyone can justify this from a town mindset I'd love to hear it. I'd also really prefer to not have to type giant walls of text when everything is right there in the filters. It's a bitch and a half on mobile.
Next up will either be silent or general vca. I'll let you guys choose.
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On August 02 2016 10:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2016 10:58 Stutters695 wrote:
If anyone can justify this from a town mindset I'd love to hear it. I'd also really prefer to not have to type giant walls of text when everything is right there in the filters. It's a bitch and a half on mobile.
Next up will either be silent or general vca. I'll let you guys choose.  you're stealing my thunder. Do both silent, vca, and please quote 4 consecutive posts from my filter I made about an hour ago.
Not sure if the quote 4 was sarcasm, but if it's not can you quote them for me and I'll edit responses in?
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