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On May 30 2016 09:19 Tumblewood wrote:
mmmm I hate this situation because everyone's still spamming the thread and I still have to read stuff but game is ezpz solved already
and then d5 comes around and we haven't lynched scum in 2 days and it's 3v2 lylo and then I die because I was inactive when everyone else was spamming on d3
the stuff of nightmares
preach
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On June 29 2016 01:29 Tumblewood wrote:
sure I'll do damdred first if you want. not like he's far-and-away townier than jealous and tt.
Superbia made a move that made TT look very townie.
And thank you. After Damdred's day1 and after EC's flip, there's nothing that will convince me Damdred is town.
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I really don't know what to do with you GB, I had obviously clear stances d1.
Ec actually gave a thought I really liked didn't want to Lynch him, it's clearly documented, so I break policy and kill moose. Wifom as it is in that situation I know I'm probably going to solo it so why not kill the person who gives the most cred.
In any case the reasoning against me is pretty light.
I can excuse sk he's new never played with me, but some of you others tsk. Espevially after last game Tumblewood. Tsk indeed.
Feel my ire of soft words and loving caresses.
In any case I think the games over with a jealous Lynch.
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It is annoying though that all of my actions aside from voting Jean are ignores and it all comes down to me saving ec which makes no sense.
No real mafia motivation to try to decide that tt and super are both town. Or super is making a play, just let that shit ride out and Lynch tt then super and I only need two mislynches to win after that.
The way I went about it was so suboptimal I'd never do that as scum. Which mind you that's not a good reason not to Lynch me as I'm self aware anyway.
Wrong doesn't meN scum though.
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On June 28 2016 23:24 Damdred wrote:
Come now art it was almost a 600 page game with like twelve replacements!
It was hard for us all to stay motivated.
Though my motivation is kind of at a low point right now, whoops.
But on a different note jealous kind of looks bad tbh keeps hedging a bit but just keeps his read static. Kind of weird.
As for that game you are remembering the wrong game tt, the game you claimed wanderer with a red check you were gunsmith and got instantly lynched that day because onegu claimed a red check on you as scum.
Anyway any questions I'm around for a bit.
Nope you're thinking of Outlaw (I think?) I'm pretty sure the game I'm referring to was Nutcracker. Also I think I got lynched less because of the redcheck and more because of my bad reaction to it... you fake CC'ing my gunsmith claim may have also contributed.
+ Show Spoiler +
Anyways, regarding this game...
I'd still like to understand your thought process better around EoD. You said you wouldn't support GB or Super as mayor, explained it was because you didn't trust GB's ability to lynch scum and that his claim didn't matter to you. So why did you end up voting him before you switched to Jean right before deadline?
I'm also still a bit curious what made you think I was maybe town for the span of a post then went back to scum reading me, but I'm more interested in the GB stuff.
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Oh and I think both Super and Damred said Jealous had some TMI looking reactions to Super's fake claim.
Can one of you guys elaborate on that for me plz?
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On June 29 2016 01:51 Damdred wrote:
I really don't know what to do with you GB, I had obviously clear stances d1.
Ec actually gave a thought I really liked didn't want to Lynch him, it's clearly documented, so I break policy and kill moose. Wifom as it is in that situation I know I'm probably going to solo it so why not kill the person who gives the most cred.
In any case the reasoning against me is pretty light.
I can excuse sk he's new never played with me, but some of you others tsk. Espevially after last game Tumblewood. Tsk indeed.
Feel my ire of soft words and loving caresses.
In any case I think the games over with a jealous Lynch.
I'll put up a case on you. After I do that you can defend yourself and just try to convince me. That's all you can do 
It can happen, tho. I'm not that prick I used to be anymore. I think.
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On June 29 2016 02:06 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 01:51 Damdred wrote:
I really don't know what to do with you GB, I had obviously clear stances d1.
Ec actually gave a thought I really liked didn't want to Lynch him, it's clearly documented, so I break policy and kill moose. Wifom as it is in that situation I know I'm probably going to solo it so why not kill the person who gives the most cred.
In any case the reasoning against me is pretty light.
I can excuse sk he's new never played with me, but some of you others tsk. Espevially after last game Tumblewood. Tsk indeed.
Feel my ire of soft words and loving caresses.
In any case I think the games over with a jealous Lynch. I'll put up a case on you. After I do that you can defend yourself and just try to convince me. That's all you can do It can happen, tho. I'm not that prick I used to be anymore. I think.
Lol thank you. I was debating pulling a case together or watching got
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On June 29 2016 02:10 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 02:06 GlowingBear wrote:On June 29 2016 01:51 Damdred wrote:
I really don't know what to do with you GB, I had obviously clear stances d1.
Ec actually gave a thought I really liked didn't want to Lynch him, it's clearly documented, so I break policy and kill moose. Wifom as it is in that situation I know I'm probably going to solo it so why not kill the person who gives the most cred.
In any case the reasoning against me is pretty light.
I can excuse sk he's new never played with me, but some of you others tsk. Espevially after last game Tumblewood. Tsk indeed.
Feel my ire of soft words and loving caresses.
In any case I think the games over with a jealous Lynch. I'll put up a case on you. After I do that you can defend yourself and just try to convince me. That's all you can do It can happen, tho. I'm not that prick I used to be anymore. I think. Lol thank you. I was debating pulling a case together or watching got
Leave it to me 
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On June 29 2016 01:53 Damdred wrote:
It is annoying though that all of my actions aside from voting Jean are ignores and it all comes down to me saving ec which makes no sense.
This is over simplifying things a bit imo.
For me it's that your EoD didn't track in a lot of ways and your involvement in picking a mayor was basically nothing but a couple posts saying it should be you for one of the positions.
There is the switch in your stance on Moosy from, "lets ignore him D1" to "I think he flips town, plz lynch TT"
It also felt a lot like Emp was trying to defend you from my pressure during the night. Your townread on him formed basically right after GB started pressuring him, and that quote I posted earlier was weird phrasing that mighta been a scum slip + Show Spoiler +It's at least as likely to be a scum slip as the thing you were on about from Skynx
None of these by themselves are terribly conclusive, but that's associative stuff with both flipped scum and just a general sense that your game is off and reads aren't tracking very well. It's a pretty solid pile of stuff that is hard to overlook.
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On June 29 2016 01:59 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 23:24 Damdred wrote:
Come now art it was almost a 600 page game with like twelve replacements!
It was hard for us all to stay motivated.
Though my motivation is kind of at a low point right now, whoops.
But on a different note jealous kind of looks bad tbh keeps hedging a bit but just keeps his read static. Kind of weird.
As for that game you are remembering the wrong game tt, the game you claimed wanderer with a red check you were gunsmith and got instantly lynched that day because onegu claimed a red check on you as scum.
Anyway any questions I'm around for a bit. Nope you're thinking of Outlaw (I think?) I'm pretty sure the game I'm referring to was Nutcracker. Also I think I got lynched less because of the redcheck and more because of my bad reaction to it... you fake CC'ing my gunsmith claim may have also contributed. + Show Spoiler +Anyways, regarding this game... I'd still like to understand your thought process better around EoD. You said you wouldn't support GB or Super as mayor, explained it was because you didn't trust GB's ability to lynch scum and that his claim didn't matter to you. So why did you end up voting him before you switched to Jean right before deadline? I'm also still a bit curious what made you think I was maybe town for the span of a post then went back to scum reading me, but I'm more interested in the GB stuff.
Maybe, so I give it to you at least you didn't claim wanderer this time so progress.
Eh GB promised to listen to people and pleaded with people. At the time I was OK with an ec Lynch because he hadn't given what I still consider to be a decent thought.
Which was with GB really claiming a role that can't be cc is dangerous to put in an uncheckable position.
So in short GB promised to listen to people even though he left near EOD so couldn't keep that promise meh.
I said why I switched to jean shortly after EOD. Mostly didn't want to Lynch ec at that time and thought Jean would do the right thing.
It was your aggro moment towards me that made me want to tr you, it sort of felt like t v t at that point. But it just wasn't enough for me. During the night when we were having our exchanges I thought you looked more town as well to how you were responding and taking into account what I was saying.
Which was why I was going through thr possibilities of a super fake claim in thread.
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On June 29 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 02:10 Skynx wrote:On June 29 2016 02:06 GlowingBear wrote:On June 29 2016 01:51 Damdred wrote:
I really don't know what to do with you GB, I had obviously clear stances d1.
Ec actually gave a thought I really liked didn't want to Lynch him, it's clearly documented, so I break policy and kill moose. Wifom as it is in that situation I know I'm probably going to solo it so why not kill the person who gives the most cred.
In any case the reasoning against me is pretty light.
I can excuse sk he's new never played with me, but some of you others tsk. Espevially after last game Tumblewood. Tsk indeed.
Feel my ire of soft words and loving caresses.
In any case I think the games over with a jealous Lynch. I'll put up a case on you. After I do that you can defend yourself and just try to convince me. That's all you can do It can happen, tho. I'm not that prick I used to be anymore. I think. Lol thank you. I was debating pulling a case together or watching got Leave it to me
I think I'm helping!
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On June 29 2016 02:14 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 01:53 Damdred wrote:
It is annoying though that all of my actions aside from voting Jean are ignores and it all comes down to me saving ec which makes no sense.
This is over simplifying things a bit imo. For me it's that your EoD didn't track in a lot of ways and your involvement in picking a mayor was basically nothing but a couple posts saying it should be you for one of the positions. There is the switch in your stance on Moosy from, "lets ignore him D1" to "I think he flips town, plz lynch TT" It also felt a lot like Emp was trying to defend you from my pressure during the night. Your townread on him formed basically right after GB started pressuring him, and that quote I posted earlier was weird phrasing that mighta been a scum slip + Show Spoiler +It's at least as likely to be a scum slip as the thing you were on about from Skynx . None of these by themselves are terribly conclusive, but that's associative stuff with both flipped scum and just a general sense that your game is off and reads aren't tracking very well. It's a pretty solid pile of stuff that is hard to overlook.
There is no associative with moosey though. I just did my normal policy with him and his suicidal nature made me think someone who admitted cares about winning as scum wouldn't let himself die like that. Jean thought he would flip town as well to a small degree. He was a coinflippy
I've had decent reads besides the EOD with ec. Which is kinda meh but everyone is wrong at points.
I've just talked about other things in previous post.
And if ec was trying to defend me from pressure coming up null in that situation is totally horrid.
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Also the tmi was when he kept saying maybe you will be wanderer flip green etc.
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On June 29 2016 02:16 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 01:59 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 23:24 Damdred wrote:
Come now art it was almost a 600 page game with like twelve replacements!
It was hard for us all to stay motivated.
Though my motivation is kind of at a low point right now, whoops.
But on a different note jealous kind of looks bad tbh keeps hedging a bit but just keeps his read static. Kind of weird.
As for that game you are remembering the wrong game tt, the game you claimed wanderer with a red check you were gunsmith and got instantly lynched that day because onegu claimed a red check on you as scum.
Anyway any questions I'm around for a bit. Nope you're thinking of Outlaw (I think?) I'm pretty sure the game I'm referring to was Nutcracker. Also I think I got lynched less because of the redcheck and more because of my bad reaction to it... you fake CC'ing my gunsmith claim may have also contributed. + Show Spoiler +Anyways, regarding this game... I'd still like to understand your thought process better around EoD. You said you wouldn't support GB or Super as mayor, explained it was because you didn't trust GB's ability to lynch scum and that his claim didn't matter to you. So why did you end up voting him before you switched to Jean right before deadline? I'm also still a bit curious what made you think I was maybe town for the span of a post then went back to scum reading me, but I'm more interested in the GB stuff. Maybe, so I give it to you at least you didn't claim wanderer this time so progress. Eh GB promised to listen to people and pleaded with people. At the time I was OK with an ec Lynch because he hadn't given what I still consider to be a decent thought. Which was with GB really claiming a role that can't be cc is dangerous to put in an uncheckable position. So in short GB promised to listen to people even though he left near EOD so couldn't keep that promise meh.
So it wasn't a change in your opinion about GB, but that you initially agreed with lynching Emp?
It was your aggro moment towards me that made me want to tr you, it sort of felt like t v t at that point. But it just wasn't enough for me. During the night when we were having our exchanges I thought you looked more town as well to how you were responding and taking into account what I was saying.
Which was why I was going through thr possibilities of a super fake claim in thread.
I'm not sure I buy this actually.
On June 28 2016 07:13 Damdred wrote:
Right about TT vindication
##vote ticktock
On June 28 2016 07:14 Damdred wrote:
Beat part was there mafia pushed d1
This looks much more like you are indeed just vindicated that your scumread got tracked to a NK. Even if you were thinking I might be town before this I doubt you were still considering it here.
So it's kinda weird to me (mostly kus of that Nutcracker game I mentioned) that this was your first thought after I had reacted to Super's claim.
On June 28 2016 11:29 Damdred wrote:
I mean yeah there is a chance of tt being a wanderer but it's a really small chance that tt is a wanderer and he just so happened to visit the person that was nk.
It's crazy if that's true
I think this is kinda a weird post too.
On June 28 2016 11:31 Damdred wrote:
Then again he what if super is a rolecop and found out tt was a wanderer and he flips wanderer he can just go on his merry way and get not judgement because he claimed tracker.
Maybe a mass claim of roles would be OK? If we have another information gathering ability with a vig and a claimed tracker we could go from there.
Also if tt was mafia kinda would see him I tantly conceding to.
But I kind of want a mass claim to see if wr have to many pr for it to be true.
I can believe the read flip on me, the idea about Super being scum here feels wierd though (and not just kus Emp flipped Rolecop). Like I was probably the only person to really be in the position of thinking Super was scum here, and I even thought that was far fetched for him to be so ballsy and try to force a lynch when there was literally no pressure on him.
I also REALLY hate that you asked for a mass claim. With a Vig and Traker claiming there is basically no chance of another blue floating around. I'm not exactly sure why you would do this as either alignment though (well besides the obv reason for scum to want to know blue roles) so... meh I guess.
I can't really give you town points for exploring the possibilities of fake claims because while it's true that as scum you'd prefer to just let me get lynched and then Super for fake claiming I also doubt you'd feel comfortable as scum just sitting back and letting that happen when there is already sus on you.
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Eh ok you were reacting to Jealous in that quote so I guess my point there is kinda moot.
On June 28 2016 06:19 Jealous wrote:Wanderer is still a possibility although unlikely. Also could have been cop?
Is this really a mafia reaction to a tracker claiming to have found mafia?
This is before I'd even come back to the thread.
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Eh GB promised to listen to people and pleaded with people. At the time I was OK with an ec Lynch because he hadn't given what I still consider to be a decent thought.
Which was with GB really claiming a role that can't be cc is dangerous to put in an uncheckable position.
So in short GB promised to listen to people even though he left near EOD so couldn't keep that promise meh.
Actually this doesn't track at all now that I relook at your posts around that time.
On June 27 2016 02:12 Damdred wrote:
Where did I give ec a pass I've been,trying to decide if he's scum or been for awhile I didn't,mind his early posts. And these later ones aren't horrid he's at least thinking.
On June 27 2016 02:18 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote:
It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today
Tt, sk, Jin, jealous
Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation.
But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet. Gen I guess I did give him a halfway day pass
On June 27 2016 02:19 Damdred wrote:
I'm trying to remember what I was seeing. I think he said some things that were ok but kinda side lined wanted to see more from him.
But I probably would retract it but he's had some decent posts and went after a hard target so idk if I would lynch today
On June 27 2016 02:50 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 02:47 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 02:43 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 02:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Reminder:
I AM NAMED VT
Vote me for mayor but REMEMBER TO SPREAD YOUR VOTES WITH SOMEONE VERY TOWNIE
Don't just vote me or you'll let Mafia have an easy time to decide the pardonner Whether or not this is true, this is such a good play since you won't be able to be cop read once you are pardoner. Actually has anybody discussed this, other than the fact that it's pretty much un-cc'able? I would feel OK about this if it were any other green / blue role. Ec can be town today. Its a good thought.
All of that is def the opposite of "At the time I was OK with an ec Lynch because he hadn't given what I still consider to be a decent thought."
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On June 29 2016 02:00 Tictock wrote:
Oh and I think both Super and Damred said Jealous had some TMI looking reactions to Super's fake claim.
Can one of you guys elaborate on that for me plz?
I'd also like an answer to this. I openly asked Superbia to show why he thinks I am more scummy than anyone else. He only answered with "Who do you think is scum, Jealous?" I obliged, but I feel like I'm getting tunneled on since day 1, first for a policy lynch and now for some vague reasons. Example:
On June 28 2016 23:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 23:24 Damdred wrote:
Come now art it was almost a 600 page game with like twelve replacements!
It was hard for us all to stay motivated.
Though my motivation is kind of at a low point right now, whoops.
But on a different note jealous kind of looks bad tbh keeps hedging a bit but just keeps his read static. Kind of weird.
As for that game you are remembering the wrong game tt, the game you claimed wanderer with a red check you were gunsmith and got instantly lynched that day because onegu claimed a red check on you as scum.
Anyway any questions I'm around for a bit. True, if you want I can provide additional argumentation. You're terrible at faking emotion. You tried it once in Millionaires and it looked awful but people still insta townread you since Emo Damdred = town. Since then you've talked a lot about how emotions shouldn't be used to confirm people as town and try to move away from it. Especially with people now knowing you're capable of faking it, I really don't think you would play this way at mafia, let alone be capable of playing this way. You've just felt extremely natural this game. Jealous hasn't and is highly likely to be mafia.
The majority of the criticisms brought my way fall into these categories:
1) Tone: "mechanical." I feel this word was chosen because it has negative connotations, whereas I feel the more appropriate words would be "objective and logical," which is how I played last game as well. On a side note, I don't understand how people can trust the analysis of a person who refuses to look at the most inactive player in the game with any suspicion because "Chezinu is my friend, I will not lynch him." I also find it interesting that though I believe I carry myself in a similar way to JVJ, people see us opposite on the spectrum. It just shows how bias and bandwagon collide.
2) TMI: Stated multiple times with zero clarification or expansion. My actions since the EC lynch and Superbia claim have been:
a. Believe Superbia blindly
b. Say that Tictock could still be Wanderer, but vote for him anyway
c. Defend my vote for Tictock because his flip would be the most revealing after Superbia claimed tracker
d. Unvote Tictock after fully understanding why Superbia fakeclaimed
e. Explain how Superbia is trying to corner me and how situations from D1/N1 have hampered my chances of making a sound defense, because if people are tunneling me then any of the avenues I listed would be misinterpreted as "try hard" or otherwise scummy.
I fail to see how any of the above makes me scum. Saying that Tictock could flip green wanderer in this scenario in my opinion should give me townie points because if I was scum, I'd just happily join the bandwagon on mislynching someone who I would know is town. I wouldn't try to bring doubts into the equation immediately after Superbia claimed, and would just write off the mislynch as "oh wow what terrible luck." I still voted for him because it was the only rational thing to do, and I was one of the few people active in between Superbia's claim and declamation. Superbia's push was still good because we got a read on TT, but I don't think we've gained much more outside of that.
3) Neutral reads on EC/Moosy: This is the closest thing to an actual argument that I've seen for me being scum, but is still full of holes. Moosy is impossible to read in D1 and I stated that directly, while also mentioning that he is of no benefit to town. I feel like JVJ's lynch of Moosy was following the same logic, so I don't see how that can be a sticking point here. My neutral read on EC is one of many; someone mentioned earlier in the game that it is basic strategy for scum to soft scumread their cohorts in order to distance themselves should they flip?
In short, I feel like I am being tunneled on largely over vague meta-reads and nothing that actually happened in the game. Some people admit to just skimming my post, which is just poor etiquette and doesn't help town in the slightest. This just makes it easier for scum to bandwagon on me, or just avoid voting for me altogether if the bandwagon is strong enough. When I flip town, the people that have voted for me and tunneled on me would become suspect; unfortunately, statistically speaking the majority of them would have to be town, and I do feel that of the people who have voted for/pressured me so far, I would townlean on most of them with the glaring exception of Damdred who I've been scumleaning on from D1. If ONLY town votes for me for D2, that is even more dangerous.
I am open to any questions.
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While that's true tt I didn't even remember before I voted GB that I had done that
I had to dig it up myself because I was curious so sort of bad but meh I forget things all the time.
Why wouldn't it be a good thing mass claim with a tracker that claimed to track you to the kp.
It's totally logical, if super is lying and knows you are wanderer in that situation it's ear with claims we 100% have a super scum. If you flip wanderer hebcould just sail by which btw is a play super would make.
Which when I got clarification action from host found out impossible which is why I quit on the train of thought.
Don't understand why you have highlighted about me being vindicated. You always Lynch the red check unless you have a cc obviously.
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Jealous how do you feel about your d1?
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