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Shapelog
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i'm giving you all the room you need and even trying to focus you. please use it. otherwise, feel free to continue blathering about nothing if you're scum ^^ that'll make it easier for all of us I am actually trying to build back my mood for playing mafia. My other game ended like right as I got on, and I am having probs. getting back in a mafia solving mood after it. | ||
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Professor Shapelog's Disco Read Party of Nonsensical Title, Followed by Dis-guesting Reads I've reread the game, looked through everyone's filter etc. Still working, Posting this just to have something out to be discussed. Page annalist: Game start - page 8, me, rsoul, and super. Jokes, Tr from Super on me Page 8 - Page end of 8, Ryan and Yammty enters Page 9- Yammty joke, Ryan wants tina killed, cake enters, questions ryan, Tr's Super and yammty. Vows to give me hell. Rsoul Tr's me, Skynx enters, Ryan responds to Cake with a question, Ryan questions Super's reason to TR me (weirdly not Rsoul's), Ryan question's Skynx Page 10 - Skynx answers no, states ]Super is simular. Ryan Responds to that, and his drunken ego. Ryan TR's me being town possibly, Cop responds with question to Ryan's question that was responding to Cops question that responded to ryan's question. Ryan responded with question, then asks another one about super/yammty town reads from cake. Cake states why (tone and yammty sounds better), Ryan disproves it, calls Super's logic weak for TR and explains how to TR yammty. Ryan with Cop read logic, Cop responds with Super seems normal, never scum read you. This is just getting to fucking long At this point. And am wasting my time just cataloging this shit. Lets look through the guy who flipped scum, like a smart person would. -----Super:
Alright, So Super (goon) had a huge range of different levels of interaction. To POE this and narrow this down, I am going to remove some people. Skynx: Not at all like how he was in the newbie + Could of jumped on me. He seems to be looking at things with a townie mindset due to how he is very questioning about the thread and situations. His interaction with super was on a level upon which I do not feel would be team. I feel like they would have interacted a bit more or less. Basically he is at a happy medium. If I did have to a rise a negative point though, it would have to be that he look back for a suspect via the super push that much. Minor complaint. So now the pool is Ryan/Cop/Rsoul, lets go further. Cop Early town read on Super. Her filter is a bit full of Night 1 talk with super, but this is most towards Ryan's questions. Also includes Rso and Ryan to the conversation. My and sky interactions were a bit missing, but I get more onto that in the next paragraph. And now this gets into the highly conversational part of this read, and this is the character of Cake. Anything That I say here is not meet to be insulting (not that it should be) or judgmental. Cake is somewhat of ENSP and a INTJ mixed (kinda) She is uncomfortable with people she doesn't know very well, and is more likely to talk to those she does know. Multiple posts, suggest this (especially the one with her listening to Ryan and Rsoul about my and Sky newbness if stated) So what does this mean? This means that it makes sense for her NOT to interact as heavily as she does with Rsoul or Ryan. In addition, I feel like she would WANT to go against this and would interact more with me and sky if she was scum, due to the logic of not being able to be tied to being scum. And while she did scum read me, Skynx was pretty untouched Day 1, and only consider around the time of the Framing idea. That last paragraph basically is saying, that she is being herself this game, and isn't stressed to be someone she isn't. Then the framing idea, Both me and her had the same idea (admittedly, not over the same stuff lol) but why would mafia reveal a Framing idea shortly after mine (I mean, theoretically she could copy it, but I do not think so)? Why even state it at all. Plus, nothing of her and Super interaction reads heavily for me as scum v scum. So it has to be one of Ryan and Rsoul (assuming I am not wrong here) So Plottwist time, 1 has heavily interacted with Ryan, and the other, Super barely interacted with. Diving their filters, will have thoughts. Clearing my mind so I am not going to bias it off of some stupid shit here like "Ryan is so inquisitive, blah blah blah" anymore either. | ||
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Shapelog
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Say what you want, Cake has been extremely focus/more contactable with you and Rsoul this game then me or skynx. This I find we both can agree on. I can quote a number of posts the supports that Idea. Another hot tip; If you are town and going to argue towards the narrative of mafia framing you, i suggest you debunk the evidence posted in thread that suggests the narrative is just incorrect. If you are scum and the play is to get Cake vote with you and get Skynx to switch his vote, feel free to continue what you are doing. So I cannot be town trying to actually give a solid conclusion, outside of a theory I have, and found that they are both town? Why do you think me TRing them is going to make them flock to my side? Shouldn't they be more wary of me because I am sus of 2 players they both have a strong opinion about? Or (and I am going to be cheeky) are you scum, and actually worrying that I get on the right track? | ||
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Shapelog
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On June 22 2016 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: (1) Yes she has, and that doesn't make her anything. Especially based on how you put it because you said as scum she would try to act townie in our eyes by acting unnaturally - and that makes her town. (2) The thing is those are not solid conclusions. They don't even look remotely close to solid conclusions (see (1)). If you are mafia that's the only thing you can do rofl.. I think you are smart enough to realize me and rsoultin are highly unlike to change our votes in comparison to Cake who "agreed to the framing theory" and Skynx who doesn't really seem to be thinking you are scum. Come on, don't play stupid..... What I said was that if she was scum, IMO, she would be more focus on me and sky. Not trying to act townie in your eyes. I also said that she seems to be herself in that regard, which is part of why I TR here. 2, Why, I can pick any of the 4 of you to push if I was scum. Me Town Reading them isn't the only thing I can do. Theoretically, Why cannot I convince you, or Rsoul to change votes? yes, it would be harder for you and rsoul to change, yet the main prob. you guys had outside of the shot was no conclusions blah blah. Not only that, but you both have been open to it. Also, Why on fucking earth would I think cake, who I describe as someone who is more supportive to you then to me, and isn't here for the last few hours would agree with me? She's not even here! No clue about Skynx, he might be here or not, Idk. The only 2 IK who would be around Deadline is you and Rsoul. Why would I supposely charm 2 people and play towards they flavor, if I am not sure they be here? Anyways, I am getting slightly tilted, and I do not want it to influence the post I am working on. | ||
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On June 22 2016 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know what happens when the level of arguments comes to this: I know, i will give you a hint: not the first instance ever.. ends up in the same way every time. I know which on side the mafia dude is, always. Cool, I get to break that that! Unless you are indeed scum, and would know who is on the mafia side. | ||
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On June 22 2016 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you want to do this, then we go back to the debunk the "who would shoot yamato" arguments. Because basically atm your argument is that the people who don't scumread you are not scum. O rly? What do you make of the person named cake WHO HAS BEEN ON MY MOTHERFUCKING ARSE ALL GAME FOR CALLING HER NAME PORN BEING TOWN IN MY EYES. I do not want to debunk them, because I do not give a flying mother fucking shit about proving to you. Did you even read the rest of the post? Clam Shapelog.....Clam..... | ||
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On June 22 2016 05:47 Skynx wrote: man rayn is maf I love yaal Explain. Idc if you love me, well maybe. But actin.... Oh yeah your drunk by now. Nvm about acting Drunk | ||
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Shapelog
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I am currently working through both your and Rsoul's filters. I am working on a post that will say if I think Rsoul or Ryan is fucking mafia for X reasons, which I would then try to prove. I Do Not Care About Proving To You About The Fucking Yammty Shot Cause I Have Fucking Realize That Shit IS Just Fucking WIFOM Piss-Poor Defense Now, did you read the bit below were you quoted? | ||
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I did start working thru this 2 hours ago roughly. So 3 hours at least. | ||
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Without even diving, This should be a 1 way fight right? Should be very simple right? "Oh ryan is sooooo Townie, blah blah blah, Rsoul isn't the same. It's she right.?" Maybe. I am not going to lie, my gut says Rsoul. I just have that feeling that it is her, but logically, that might not be the case. Some things I notice in the first post under the page by page thing actually is a bit off putting for me from Ryan. I kinda have beaten around the bush here with Ryan and his filter as well. Not to say I do cannot come up with some reasons Why Rsoul can be scum off the top of my head, but I have just pass off Ryan's filter. And I am going to predict that this is signing my death warrant going after these two. So I will sign it, ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/s2Gh6eC.png) Rather Die by my reads anyways then over something as stupid as the shot. I flipped out too much about it yesterday. Anyways, I am being unnecessarily emo about this. So lets begin. RYAN Something I have notice about Ryan, is that no matter if it is in a game, or talking to someone about a game, he is a very ? usage. I also notice mostly from this game, that he is very aggressive in terms of pushing ideas and interrogating and what not. So I talk some of those points with salt. On June 18 2016 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could you expand on this, mainly on why you think Shapelog is town? The question that started it all with super. A following up post about super, On June 18 2016 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: In what terms similar? I actually glanced over Superbia's filter from the newbie game you are referring here and i thought he was scum because - in addition to the nightkill stuff i talked in about in the thread - he seemed to say a lot of stuff (especially on D1) that lead nowhere, which is closer to his scumplay (or at least i thought it is). Have you taken a look at any games he has played as mafia? I mean if you want to base a read on someone based on meta you should have references from both alignments, otherwise the argument doesn't really hold water. idk if you even are making an argument or not tbh.  I don't really find nothing too out pf place except for the stuff i asked about, and idk what those things mean yet because i havent gotten my answers. I don't actually think rsoultin is scum since idk why drunk rayn thought being trolly could make her mafia and sober rayn doesnt agree with drunk rayn and drunk rayn is not here to explain the read to sober rayn. Maybe he will tonight  I mean, technically, Rsoul had a TR on me (for no visible information) on me. However, she didn't state it like how Super stated it. But the bold is actually quite interesting. He doesn't know what to make of it, and is waiting for Super's defense. He then comments about it, I mean this is Superbia's reasoning why Shapelog is town. Why so uncertain? The way he presents the argument suggests that he isn't even sure how Shapelog played in the game he is basing the meta on which then suggests that the whole argument is bs. Fair enough, Ryan stating why he doesn't like it. next up is the yammty thing, On June 18 2016 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin what's your read on yamato? Any thoughts on what i brought up? You are in a unique position like me in a sense that you have more information as you and me both know 100% that we are not both mafia. I need to check on this in Rsoul's filter. It feels as if Ryan is trying to confirm himself as town via that post off of this. Reading thru, nothing sticks out too much. Some talk about the yammty thing with Rsoul, some things pointed at cake. Town explanation for cake about me and my meta. Super comes back, On June 19 2016 18:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean you just made a set of posts and followed it up with this: .. like in JAT game, the first ~30 posts in your filter is "start from 0 just to end back in 0". Could you answer me regarding the Shapelog thing? On June 19 2016 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be completely honest, people who post a shitton of one-liners and "fail to realize" what are the important discussion points -- or ignore stuff i find to be relevant -- (or don't really bring up anything new on the table) are super hard to read for me. In the latest newbie game the whole D1 was basically Jealous vs QT and there too Superbia basically avoided touching the whole issue with even a long stick, and since he is a player who is actually capable of quite decent play and capable of leading the town i found that highly unlike that he was town in that game. I was horribly wrong. Anyways Superbia, my opinion atm is that if the latest burst of posts is the best you can offer you can get lynched or shot. On June 19 2016 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. So why the questionmarks in your post? What does this post mean? Questions, noting too off. On June 19 2016 18:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you actually meta town read Shapelog without actually remembering how he played in the game you referenced to? Is that what you are saying? Or what? Eh, was wrong, but nothing against ryan. I have sparked a Idea, but more on that later. It is hard to tell for me if this is scum vs scum or tvs right now, It seems like Super was genuinely trying to answer it. On June 19 2016 19:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Shapelog. I just revisited your filter and it doesn't actually look as good as i remembered. I have a hard time figuring out where you actually stand with your reads. You seem to be thinking i am town, Skynx is town and rsoultin is town(?), who is scum? Great If I knew what that TR was about back ago. Making this shit go faster. Next few pages is cakey, at least he treats cake with the amount of attention that he treated Super. Super is then scum read for what he posted. Going back to that idea I stated. Normally I would belie that that clears Ryan due to slip that was proven to be true (well the it was a mafia slip from a mafia member), but, looking at super's reaction to it. He seemed very, calm about it. Maybe he was freaking out in the QT, which I cannot know, but he was very calm doing the process, and ultimately, keep pushing Ryan. On June 20 2016 04:57 Superbia wrote: Oh cmon. Did no one see rayn's reaction? z_z Ryan, like anyone else, would of known that a Dead goon is better then no goon. Cannot really tie ryan himself to it. But it is as not strong for a town point as I thought it was. Ryan also pushed super hard too towards the end. Moving onto the Day. Basically Superbia is setting up a play where if he is not killed his vote will be on yamato 100%, and that will not change. yamato, not assuming Superbia is scum as he said, basically cannot let that happen as town because if he is town and Superbia is town that means he basically has to counter-vote Superbia and if they are both town it means town will 100% lose. There should be absolutely no way yamato doesn't understand that and lets Superbia live, unless Superbia for some reason needs to live over him. They both look super sketchy, but it makes more sense for yamato to be GF than for Superbia. If the game goes on i suggest you guys lynch yamato. It just makes the most in case Superbia is not in fact the GF. If he flips town or mafia doesn't really matter. Please try to read the first paragraph and understand it. gl guys. Going with idea, Ryan could of still killed Yammty and post this. His reaction to the weirdness of the shot was kinda weird looking back. On June 20 2016 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: wut? Fair, next post, On June 20 2016 06:59 rsoultin wrote: lol is it bad that my first thought was shape could be scum for that shot? lol next post, On June 20 2016 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: ohhhh...... interesting!! more tomorrow, now gn! I feel like he would be more questioning about it then just wut followed by happy embrocation after Rsoul. It is worth noting, that his activity did drop a bit in Day 1, but nothing I am worrying about. Day 1, Ryan was open to discussion about ohter people. Not out of the range of mafia actually. Sure it is easier, but that is it. Idk, i kinda have a prob. with his reaction and super's tone towards the end. other points to like the Yammty thing, also seems like mafia wanting to be town read. Let me look through Rsoul very speedy. Too tilted towards the end of his filter to accurately state my idea. Nothing makes sense for me in his replys. RSOUL: My major prob. with Rsoul is the interaction via Super. Super was very non talkative about Rsoul. Rsoul on the other hand was talktive about Super. She doesn't fully commits to the Yammty being scum idea, either. Defends super up to the Slip basically, would not know why to do so, but slip could mean to get the lynch (same with ryan) focused a bit on. After Day 1, It is mostly me as a target (which I can understand) with skynx and if I am reading correctly, a bit of cake as well (not hard thou) See, I want to see she is just tunneling me and she is scum for it. But, this is what I expect town Rsoul to act like towards me. I will say the post about the more shape aruges, the more he sounds townish followed by looking into skynx into back to me again is a bit eye looking, yet, all I did was just quote that framing idea I have. Idk why she thinks I am going after her though. I rushed through Rsoul, But I actually think Ryan is the scum here. Just the questionable things about how he acted makes me think he is scum here. I am going with Ryan. ##Vote:Ryan | ||
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Your a passionate leader of manipulation? Ironically, the sounds like what I would put for a GF application........ I swear, if you are actually GF, I am going to laugh follow by crying | ||
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On June 22 2016 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah that Shapelog post is bullshit. The tunneling is evident. At least I got something out. | ||
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Everytime I say something to you, you just cite that basically so idc anymore. | ||
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Come on fire me up! Pour your sugar on me! Pour some sugar on meeeeee! Lit. the best song given my position right now. Might as well die in a sugary death. | ||
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On June 22 2016 06:51 rsoultin wrote: pst you called him scum. what do you expect? "oh shapelog you're right! i concede!" i kinda got lost in that since it was mostly quote, babble...eh can you condense it to points for me? I meant before I call him scum. But this is the most of it. I find his reaction after the yammty flip sus. due to his tone. After you suggest me with the shot, he went "Hmmmm intresting , be back tomorrow." Which I find weird considering how I think Town Ryan would handle it. I would expect him to question you off of that at least.Then there is how I think he was trying to play the Yammty post to confirm him as town due to how he said it. There is more too. I don't honestly feel like quoting it. | ||
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On June 22 2016 06:52 CopCake wrote: So you have to pick someone else, i wonder if yama would have been able to Make a case on you if he was alive with you. Is this to me? I am not picking someone else. I think Ryan is scum, And I will stand by it. | ||
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