Names Are Hard mini mafia

On June 05 2016 04:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
/in

On June 07 2016 06:26 Shapelog wrote:

That's nice,

Why don't we talk so I can gather a read on you, and you can stop me spamming?

On June 07 2016 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:

Hi drunk!Rels maybe you should get sober?

On June 07 2016 06:31 Shapelog wrote:

Yes. I'm serious.
I find your lack of faith most disturbing.

On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:

Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.

On June 07 2016 06:34 Shapelog wrote:

Anything stick out to you? I know it's super early, but wonder if you spot anything.

On June 07 2016 06:39 Shapelog wrote:

Hmmm,
Nothing really is sticking towards me other than the fact SL just disappear, but that doesn't hold a lot of weight towards finding out his alignment. And he could just be lurking.
Prob. check cell and see.

On June 07 2016 06:43 KelsierSC wrote:


cos sum folk dont be favouring folks different from themselves.

but I support Rels in all his drinking endeavors and frankly i'm quite tired of you judging him for it.

On June 07 2016 06:48 Shapelog wrote:

Because I cannot think of a time that I have seen Damdred act this trolly, other than what I remember from playing cell with him.

On June 07 2016 06:53 KelsierSC wrote:


lame

On June 07 2016 06:54 KelsierSC wrote:


only yours

On June 07 2016 08:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Can someone link me to some "canonical" games of our log-shaped friend? Preferably as both alignments, but don't tell me which. I'd do it myself but it's annoying to search on mobile.

On June 08 2016 06:43 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote nnn_thekushmountains

Going to ask the host if he actually asked to be replaced. It should be a rule in the future that if a person pms the host to be replaced the host tells the thread. Because this is bullshit wifom atm and it pisses me off.

All other people can be lynched as well. Including me.

On June 08 2016 07:02 Shapelog wrote:
Moving on

What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?

anyways,

First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.

So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?

+ Show Spoiler [funny point] +

On June 08 2016 07:03 Koshi wrote:
I also think Rels is town for a post that I saw when I was glaring over the thread.

On June 08 2016 07:08 KelsierSC wrote:


Talk to me about Damdred, why would you lynch him?

On June 08 2016 07:11 Shapelog wrote:

Dammit you, I was fishing for information base off how he responded. I was already sus, based off how he talked about damdred. But I wanted to see how he responded and how he acted.

Damm you.

On June 08 2016 07:17 Koshi wrote:

this one. always more likely a townie makes a posts in which he townreads somebody for thinking the same. just looks like a solid post.

I was reluctant to comply to your demands but because you are doing things I did as a token of good will. Now that I did it and saw how brilliant my read is I am even happy I did it.



PS: your read on kawadude is premature so don't push it too hard because it could very well be completely wrong.

On June 08 2016 07:28 KelsierSC wrote:


wherebugsgo.

He has a massive hard on for Palmar right now

Bugs might have a very good read on palmar , which would explain making a bad excuse to vote him and then asking for peoples reads on him afterwards so just waiting to see how that develops.

On June 08 2016 07:36 KelsierSC wrote:


wherever bugs go

On June 08 2016 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:

Mainly Chez I don't remember him being this troll you day 1 as town.

On June 08 2016 08:00 LightningStrike wrote:

No I played with him in JOAT, Ippo, and Star Wars. JOAT I was scum with him.

On June 08 2016 13:01 sicklucker wrote:


like pretty much the 101 of getting the new/lynchbait player out. I called holyflare out for it last game and was right. sometimes level one thinking is best

On June 08 2016 14:27 Kwahamot wrote:


Well how should I put this.. This is a response post! Responding to both Shapelog's original response and Rels' claim.

I just wanted to bless the thread with some dry humor. The introduction is the introduction. I made that post and prepared it and I'm making this post right now because I've had a busy start to the game and I wanted to get my thoughts down in one go but I'll address my small portions of inactivity next time.

I've briefly skimmed the analysis pinned to be able to make a few day 1 calls. The "excuse" was to put things into perspective perhaps some of you guys expect me to immediately fit like a puzzle into this game. I don't think my reads were all that random by the way and I don't think I'd be helping if I talked about the weather as opposed to my "serious" stuff. At least we're talking about me now right? I think the facilitation of discussion makes your case of being town much stronger actually.


On to my main point and the overdue response to Shapelog, Rels, I believe you are reading backwards. Although I did claim that I don't have the experience to read you guys in the game, I never said I was a newbie and I think you would be fishing a little bit.

On June 08 2016 14:27 Kwahamot wrote:
You haven't really been saying much.. you responded to my introduction and called out the replacement soo heres some pressure ##Vote: Rels

On June 08 2016 23:32 Palmar wrote:
there's also a chance Rels is mafia

On June 08 2016 15:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm going to ignore tomahawk for now because he's doing some incredibly stupid things but stupid != scum and I would prefer the certainty of a better lynch over lynching a newbie.

##unvote
##vote Shapelog

tl;dr of what follows: I won't be around much in the next 12 hours, but we should kill Shapelog. Shapelog is meek, nonconfrontational, says a lot but doesn't contribute anything, and is suspected by pretty much everyone. Best lynch we'll get today. Details follow.

I would ordinarily be annoyed with the number of noncontributors we have but I'm actually pretty happy with the state of my reads of those people who actually have posted. The process of elimination should become easier with a bit more time. With that said, since I probably won't be here to drive the lynch, I propose that we kill Shapelog today.

1. Pretty much everyone in the game has said that they are suspicious of Shape, but only one person has actually voted with those suspicions. This is often an indication that someone is just skating by, a pretty big scum trait, whereas people who very obviously stick out are generally not scum. I'm fairly certain we'd get a good amount of blowback to a lynch effort on Shapelog as well, which would be great, because I seriously doubt that the resistance would make Shapelog look better.

2. Shapelog constantly pratters on and on without seeming to actually contribute anything. Given that Shapelog has like 1/5 of this game's posts, you would think that it would be easy to figure out Shapelog's reads and thoughts on the game with a single read-through of the game. Yet, nothing has stuck out, and I cannot actually recall anything Shapelog has said of substance without going filter diving and detail hunting.

3. I found myself spotting a lot of posts of Shapelog's that are of the "I'm going to do X" or "hi I'm here" kind of thing. The self-focus is very strong, and not something that many townies do. Examples:













and, next post, emphasis mine:



Note that I could go back and find a dozen other posts with the exact same theme, but the idea here is that Shapelog spends a gigantic amount of time saying things like "I'm going to do X" which are incredibly self-focused and seem to just be intended at convincing the thread that useful things are being done.

4. Both of Shapelog's suspicion posts have been of the form "would not mind lynching", as opposed to the more towny approach of "I think this dude is scum, let me vote him and convince all of the rest of you why we should kill him." Shapelog's approach at least from my perspective has been more in the camp of "let me see what sticks by meekly calling a bunch of different people suspicious and then go with the flow".





5. Shapelog has been completely nonconfrontational, meek, and unsure/wishy washy. It seems that players that pressure even slightly will cause Shapelog to give way. Examples:





(what is the point of that post even? it's a self reply!)



I think I could keep going but I think I've said enough to show my point (and I want to see if other people see other things that I did not explicitly mention).

If anybody sees anything that causes them to think Shapelog is town, please point it out. There are a couple things that lead me to be a bit unsure but I'd be curious if anyone else notices them. Also if anyone thinks there is a better lynch, please provide one. I'll be around for a couple hours before the lynch is over and I will be able to catch up on the thread and vote but I won't be able to push anything beyond what I'm doing now.

On June 08 2016 17:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Neat, like that's a really cool story bro. It doesn't make me mafia at all though, OR bad. I'm right, it's ridiculous. Maybe I'm wrong and he's town, but that list is totally invalid to me.

Now I've stated very clearly that my vote will only be important around lynch time, who I'm voting for right now should NOT be how you're basing your fucking read of me. Stop being bad.

On June 08 2016 23:41 Palmar wrote:
In hindsight (I was re-reading this now) maybe shapelog is more mafia than rels for that kwah introduction post thing.

Two people jumped this guy for making a fairly vanilla introduction post. If kwah is mafia that is not why he is mafia. On one hand shapelog looks worse because apparently he was setting up a trap? or something? for kwah (which is double dumb because traps are dumb, and traps for people who are new and might do whatever are even dumber). On the other hand it's easier to hold Rels accountable to not being bad in general, so him jumping that is kinda awful.

On June 08 2016 23:47 Palmar wrote:

I haven't even read past the post you guys jumped.

maybe he is mafia, I'm not gonna defend him. But the post that both of you attacked was not something that makes someone lock mafia.

On June 09 2016 02:19 Shapelog wrote:

Maybe it is because I actually want to help fucking town for once because I am tried of beening know as that?

Besides, Ik for a fact you all aren't going to lynch me today.

On June 09 2016 02:24 sicklucker wrote:


thats not true altho I personally have an easy time myself and your claiming too the mast majority dont try or dot think they can read new players and just lynch them im sure statistics back this up but. I know like the one time I played video mafia I was a snap lynch for example. Hell I was mislynched in the 128 player game of universe mafia day 1. people dont try to figure out new players they lynch them

On June 09 2016 02:32 sicklucker wrote:
I dont know your bad at reading new players apparently. I found him quite townie and explained why already. do I have to reexplain?

On June 09 2016 02:32 sicklucker wrote:
I dont know your bad at reading new players apparently. I found him quite townie and explained why already. do I have to reexplain?

On June 09 2016 02:35 sicklucker wrote:
we are talking about bugs right? I dont town read that other guy might have got mixed up.

On June 09 2016 02:33 Shapelog wrote:

Or I came in and saw 2 people (koshi and wbg) talking about lynching me, saw the case on (haven't read) and saw your thing, which made me come to the logical assumption that people want to lynch me?

On June 09 2016 02:37 sicklucker wrote:
I still think people attacking him are suspect even tho I havent tried to figure him out which I should probably do now. Like The reason I voted you rels is because I opened your filter saw 2 pages of drunk posting with no content and you going after the most easy player

On June 09 2016 02:40 Shapelog wrote:

Because I scrolled down the page i was on (which i do) before I read it, and saw there was a case on me.

On June 09 2016 02:03 Shapelog wrote:

Did you even read the fucking games? Or did I waste my time?

On June 09 2016 02:09 Shapelog wrote:

I did ask for me, and fair i guess. Am working out content tho.

I am predicting that Palmar hasn't posted, so tumble, do you actually know his reasoning behind the votes/reads of his? Because up to this post at least, he hasn't explain any of them, so it is kinda hard to agree with a read that looks like:

"Damdred scum, shape mostly scum"

I just refuse to believe that you, out of all people, who I know can play smart and usually do, is sheeping a person who hasn't even explained their reads, and agreeing with said none explained reads.

On June 09 2016 02:40 sicklucker wrote:
that being said you voted kwah over a bullshit weak reason and he omgused you.I dont see how you think thats 100% confirmed mafia thats null to townie for a new player to do. Acualy more townie

On June 09 2016 02:39 Rels wrote:

1. Do you think WBG is a new player ?
2. Since you're good at reading new player, what do you think of what I've wrote about tomahawk ?

On June 09 2016 02:44 sicklucker wrote:


1.no? just new to me so i lumped him in a group in my head
2. garbage thin suspect even I cant read new players off of opening posts. either your wrong lucky or mafia

On June 09 2016 02:24 sicklucker wrote:


thats not true altho I personally have an easy time myself and your claiming too the mast majority dont try or dot think they can read new players and just lynch them im sure statistics back this up but. I know like the one time I played video mafia I was a snap lynch for example. Hell I was mislynched in the 128 player game of universe mafia day 1. people dont try to figure out new players they lynch them

On June 09 2016 02:32 sicklucker wrote:
I dont know your bad at reading new players apparently. I found him quite townie and explained why already. do I have to reexplain?

On June 09 2016 02:34 sicklucker wrote:
I really feel like their should be a rels voting bandwagon here. lying out of his pants is something he does quite well as the mafia

On June 09 2016 02:35 sicklucker wrote:
we are talking about bugs right? I dont town read that other guy might have got mixed up.

On June 09 2016 02:45 Shapelog wrote:

Oh no, I been tumble hating since last night because of the Palmar thing.

And i was angry at WBG because I linked them, and he has asked 4-5 different people (or different times, same people) for their reads on me, and never followed up on those games.

On June 09 2016 02:37 sicklucker wrote:
I still think people attacking him are suspect even tho I havent tried to figure him out which I should probably do now. Like The reason I voted you rels is because I opened your filter saw 2 pages of drunk posting with no content and you going after the most easy player

On June 09 2016 02:40 sicklucker wrote:
that being said you voted kwah over a bullshit weak reason and he omgused you.I dont see how you think thats 100% confirmed mafia thats null to townie for a new player to do. Acualy more townie

On June 09 2016 02:57 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey guys I here was just been trying out a new game and wbg cased Shape and the case looks okay I might just having some paranoia about Shape atm. Rels getting onto sicklucker about some stuff. Damdred haven't done much since he finally got his internet back and I really hope he actually does something :\
@Rels What your current read on sicklucker after your exchanges with him?
@sicklucker same thing for you about Rels.
@WBG did you take his past games in account for your case?

On June 09 2016 02:54 Shapelog wrote:

Even if you don't, I believe it, in here *points to your heart*

Now, have you read my response to Wbg case? I actually thought it was good till the dmlord's filter post, because of what I said.

On June 09 2016 03:04 LightningStrike wrote:

Why you think he is scum?

On June 09 2016 03:05 sicklucker wrote:
idk but what you said is not how I play mafia and thats all I have to compair it too. Your saying mafia follows this rule or that rule but thats certainly not true and Im positive this guy did not get your rule book. New players do random fucking things but the way you read them is you see if they believe what they are saying. Thats a hard thing to fake and personnaly I cant figure out from his two posts.

What I dont think a first time scum would tho is vote the person who called him scum for no reason. which seems to be what he did here. seems like a pretty ballsy thing to do

On June 09 2016 03:09 sicklucker wrote:
Rels I scum read you for the same reason I scumread holyflare in the last game. Its pretty thin but your pointless arguing made that 45% rise.

You cant really argue that you attacking the lynchbait is not scummy in my eyes you cant. anything you say just makes you look worse

On June 09 2016 03:10 sicklucker wrote:



YOU HAD NOTHING IN YOUR FILTER AND VOTED THE NEW LYNCHBAIT PLAYER. how its it not fuckking believable I found that scummy. Then since then you just argued against this really un arguable point

On June 09 2016 03:15 sicklucker wrote:


your arguing that my reasons for originalily suspecting you are invalid.. which is fucking stupid because you had no filter and where attacking the lynch bait. I always fucking go after who attacks the lynchbait because they are most often the mafia

On June 09 2016 03:16 sicklucker wrote:
im not even fucking defending him

On June 09 2016 03:20 sicklucker wrote:
I said your a 45% chance to be mafia. thats not even that fucking strong. Its a read I made regardless of whats his faces alignment. Because not knowing anyones alignment I feel in this game mafia is most likely to go after him. Which is where my original vote came from. It was a vote made not knowing his alginment or caring. I have not defended him at all. I still dont have a read on him since hes has no content.

0 defense just atttack on a guy digging a hole so deep we risk a volcanic eruption

On June 08 2016 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote:

I don't really know what Palmar has done frequently as town, though I think he HAS done it as town in recent games I've played with him. It's not enough for me to say I think he's mafia for it, that's for sure. I'd expect more of an agenda actually.

On June 08 2016 16:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh and I'm now fully on board with a Palmar lynch Bugs, just throwin that out there.

On June 08 2016 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
I kinda like sicklucker this game. Like, mostly the tone of his posts. Like "Listen up bitches this is how we're doing it"

Unless he does that as mafia and I'm just not aware?

On June 09 2016 03:30 sicklucker wrote:
also explain how i look bad koshi. because I thought I looked fucking brillant and people should see rels as arguing just to argue

On June 09 2016 03:38 sicklucker wrote:
we were never talking about wbg wtf..? i just got there names mixed up which is completely understandable because I know the other 11 players in the game and have no idea who the fuck these people are. only difference is the bug guy had 10k posts so is obv not a newbie

On June 09 2016 03:38 Tumblewood wrote:

what
but why am I scum
I get the sense your scumhunting is panic induced

On June 09 2016 03:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yo, sicklucker: Rels's responses to you have been so strong (as in bold) that I think you should reevaluate. Bad plays are not indicative of scum. Him suspecting the newbie is strange but his reactions afterward are pretty townish.

Yo, Rels, you're stuck on surface-level stuff on the newbie (who is apparently pretty cognizant of how he sounded, it seemed like a joke) and while he very well might still be scum he's definitely not the best lynch today.

One of Damdred/Shapelog dies today, all other votes are wasted. Pick one.

On June 09 2016 03:48 Damdred wrote:
##unvote
##vote Tumblewood

This is fine my buddy rels wants him dead

On June 09 2016 03:50 Damdred wrote:


Then who is number one lymch

On June 09 2016 05:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I've seen townDamdred when he's on the block, he typically loses his shit and he CERTAINLY doesn't just spout "If I was scum, X" posts in his defense.

On June 09 2016 05:28 Shapelog wrote:
Just going to look back later at the shit fight if i do not get lynched by playing with fire.

It is weird that Rels went from that to:


Which kinda goes against the "I'll fight for Kwah lynch" statement entrily

On June 09 2016 05:33 Koshi wrote:
Shape his filter does not make him town. We all know that.

The reason Shape is town is that he continuously is trying to solve the game and keeps throwing ideas in the thread the one more retarded and farfetched than the other and has no clue which ideas are actually good and which are bad. And he keeps that up till the game ends.


That's not what he is doing. There is no way you can read him town. Just no way.

On June 09 2016 05:37 Shapelog wrote:
Damm, I didn't want to do this, but I have waited to long.

I am a PR.

On June 09 2016 05:39 Koshi wrote:

..........
See...

You actually have good reads sometimes and with sometimes I mean a lot of the time and people defend this guy but really not Damdred?

On June 09 2016 05:41 sicklucker wrote:


a doctor would not claim a doctor... he would claim a tracker...

On June 09 2016 05:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Shape just claimed Doctor which is kinda shitty but we can deal with that later :\
I guess I will go for the policy lynch I guess but I not confortable any of the other lynches atm mainly Damdred's wagon and I don't want to lynch Rels Day 1.
##: Unvote
##Vote: kwahamot

On June 09 2016 05:49 sicklucker wrote:
like im not claiming but I do not believe his claim. i am not of the school of thought that claims should be ignored all the time. his claim is bad

##vote shapelog

On June 09 2016 05:51 wherebugsgo wrote:


Do you think we have the time to switch to Damdred?

I would rather switch at this point and if Shapelog lives the night we just kill him tomorrow.

On June 09 2016 05:55 wherebugsgo wrote:


I doubt it. If the tracker sees someone visit Shape it's pretty much an automatic RB death and then town pretty much just wins. I doubt scum would risk something like that.

Think about it from the scum perspective. If the RBer gets tracked the game is effectively over.

On June 09 2016 05:57 Koshi wrote:
And lynch WBG RIGHT AFTE RHIM

On June 09 2016 06:05 Shapelog wrote:

Because I have said over and over That the way the vote piled on him before this made me think he was town due to it.

On June 10 2016 21:49 Koshi wrote:
And I wonder how Artanis knew that Damdred was tracker but didn't know Shape was doc and died.

On June 10 2016 22:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
He didn't, he noticed after joining.

On June 10 2016 10:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hold on Damdred claimed tracker?
##Vote Damdred

On June 10 2016 11:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh damn there's a doc in the setup too. I was hoping I could just afk and get shot N2 now

On June 10 2016 22:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Is infeasible to you that he got that information chronological while reading catching up?

On June 10 2016 22:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

WBG told me to look into Rels and VE. LS mentioned VE voted himself and martyred.
Looked into VE's filter. Found this post.

Responded instantly when I saw it.

On June 10 2016 23:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

You're not going to watch the euro cup game?

On June 11 2016 00:19 Koshi wrote:
sicklucker/VE/Palmar/WBG are convinced that Artanis is town .
Rels/tumble/LS/Koshi are convinced that Damdred is town.

I don't know what Chez is doing.


Insane.

On June 11 2016 01:08 wherebugsgo wrote:


Sorry, I don't explain things to scum.

In the off chance that you are not scum, you could prove it to me by having half decent, reasoned reads. As in not the bullshit you pulled d1 to get a newbie killed, and not the bullshit you are pulling now to get Artanis killed.

Tell me, ignoring Damdred and Artanis who else is scum and why?

On June 09 2016 18:45 KelsierSC wrote:
Not going to be able to do anything today.

I'll be able to give more input tomorrow.

On June 09 2016 04:00 Damdred wrote:


IMO the bugs case is a narrative that starts off as a conclusion without really bringing what I find reliable evidence. Especially some of the red is useless and doesn't add it's just there to be there.

If shape is scum I don't think it's for any of this. Honestly think shape is town anyway. And honestly so e of the case is misconstrued.

Wouldn't Lynch by it.

On June 09 2016 05:06 Damdred wrote:
Idk what you guys expect with like an hour in game.

I'm just going to afk I'm not the Lynch so bye

On June 09 2016 05:10 Damdred wrote:
Lol if I was scum I would of just afk up to the Lynch. Just haven't had time or access

On June 09 2016 05:16 Damdred wrote:
I'm scummy because I couldn't be here 30 pages behind basically and skimming.

It sucks but Lynch me if you want idc

On June 09 2016 05:22 Damdred wrote:
Lol there's not much to care about tbh.

Scums going to be in like

Kwah
Palmar (can't let him slide)
Bugs
Kel

Just by gut feels and skim.

On June 09 2016 05:50 Damdred wrote:
I'll be back later, can't stay for lynch

On June 09 2016 05:56 Damdred wrote:
Btw

I'm tracker.

On June 10 2016 13:57 Damdred wrote:
Yeah going back and forth on bugs ehh I'll decide in the morning.

Town:
Damdred
Sl
Ls
Koshi

Probably town
Palmar
Rels

Maybe scum
Tumble
Bugs

Scum
Ve

Lock scum
Art

I could be omgus bugs a bit as I really don't care for his manners tbh. And rels could be tricking me at this juncture.

Truth be told the way he was voting kwah with me but still thinking about voting me was a bit strange. Didn't seem o care one of his top scums was with him. Also Kel has a tendency to top town one of his team mates for the carry and his read on rels was weak.

Could see it so might want to knock him down, hes playing a really clean game though.

On June 10 2016 14:13 Damdred wrote:
Your probably right on bugs tumble.

Game probably super easy and it's rels, Ve and art. Kinda makes sense, especially how rels didn't take a stance that was interesting during EOD even though he was on the wagon that was lynched.

He really didn't get involved with shape vs damdred Lynch.

Kinda like that

On June 10 2016 14:09 Tumblewood wrote:
Of the two tracker claims, Art is scum. There's a reason I preferred lynching Shape to lynching Damdred that I avoided saying earlier in the game: I was concerned that I was seeing Damdred's blue meta. Damdred as blue gets himself scumread to avoid a NK (source: Storm, Holyf***e). This is my scum meter for him: plus that whole thing about Kelsier tracking but being completely absent, Art is the scum.
##unvote
##vote: artanis

On June 10 2016 14:10 Tumblewood wrote:
also wbg is a million percent town
I'd quote posts for you but instead go read all of his analysis on page 50. all of it is good.

On June 10 2016 23:13 Damdred wrote:
And to use this emotional thing when I've clearly stated in multiple games that I'm just not doing it anymore because it's unhealthy and unfair for the game is pretty bullshit tbh.

On June 10 2016 20:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also Damdred is mafia since he didn't get emotional at all after getting a confirmed mafia from his perspective. He just started flailing like a mafia whose only lifeline had just been cut off, with the whole "Kels wouldn't have time to submit a track" as highlight. He had 3 pages of filter, I'm sure he had time to send in a single PM at some point during the night.

On June 11 2016 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rels you're spending an awful lot of time justifying this scumread on Damdred. Like...you didn't spend even close to this much time yesterday either trying to get him lynched or trying not to - why are you making such a show about "coming to this conclusion" about Damdred that's pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point?

On June 11 2016 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like look at Rels' D1. He makes a post calling out several people, even qualifying his scumread on me.

Rels where did your scumread on me go after that last link? You never mention me again except while defending Damdred, someone who was in the list in the first link. I kinda took your explanation at face value at the time, but I didn't realize that you had said earlier that you wanted to kill myself AND Damdred - where did those scumreads go and how did you end up pushing for the newbie lynch?

On June 11 2016 04:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'll lynch fucking anyone who says that they think that Damdred is mafia and that I'm mafia with him. I don't care if it's fucking Artanis, I'll lynch the mfer

On June 11 2016 04:16 Damdred wrote:
If you can really call anything I did d1 try Harding idk what the fuck is seriously wrong with you.

Like I was obviously not playing as I hadn't read the game and being a dick just because.

Trying to scum read me for not being able to be here for x or y but having just enough time to make sure a blue isn't lynched isn't scum indicative. And btw brilliant rels that goes completely against your meta read on me that I hate take chances as scum.

So idk I could of been nice at EOD and feigned like I did things or read things. But nah fuck that I didn't do shit.

On June 11 2016 03:48 Rels wrote:

Damdred why is Palmar in this list ?

On June 11 2016 04:21 VisceraEyes wrote:

Like in spite of me being on him D1, SHADING him N1 (BEFORE A COUNTERCLAIM), THEN D2?!!? Like that's the bus you think I'm driving? Cause I gotta say - My CDL expired about 5 years ago.

On June 11 2016 04:22 Damdred wrote:
Poe rels. And there is a time to change meta and there is suicide.

What's the point of me claiming tracker and forcing town to go am I the tracker or not today no matter what? There is no point as scum it's better if I draw the least amount of attention to it in case people were afk.

So don't be an idiot

On June 11 2016 04:07 Rels wrote:

It might be a conclusion now but it wasn't 20 minutes ago.
What is this "yesterday" you're talkinga bout ? Why should have I spent lots of time talking about Damdred "yesterday" ?

On June 11 2016 04:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yesterday Game Yesterday, D1. He was on your lynch list early on and then you switched to defending him. Weakly.

On June 11 2016 04:29 Damdred wrote:
Don't be a fucking moron rels me being alive as scum 100% outweighs anything else I do in game.

I would of pandered to all you fuck wads d1 where I didn't have to claim jack shit.

Like really you can't be this dense you have to be scum
I don't even know what your doing if you are town.

On June 11 2016 04:22 Damdred wrote:
Poe rels. And there is a time to change meta and there is suicide.

On June 11 2016 04:32 VisceraEyes wrote:


Well for starters yesterday you defended him for NOT doing the exact thing you're calling him scum today for DOING.

On June 11 2016 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
FURTHER, all of the posts you quoted in your accusation just now occurred BEFORE the post in which you defend him for NOT doing the things you're saying MAKE him scum today. Like.....really dude?

On June 11 2016 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
So what you're saying is that when you were talking about Damdred YESTERDAY about your read of him, speaking with authority on his meta (i.e. I expect X as scum, not seeing it), you were doing so NOT having read his filter? Like...really Rels? Keep digging buddy.

On June 09 2016 05:28 Rels wrote:
Back!

On June 09 2016 05:31 Rels wrote:

Dunno. Like, I agree that is my expectations, but how he's acting seems townie too because as scum, I think he would fake emotions because he's known for that. He would tryhard so close to the deadline I think

On June 11 2016 04:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like look at Rels' D1. He makes a post calling out several people, even qualifying his scumread on me.

Rels where did your scumread on me go after that last link? You never mention me again except while defending Damdred, someone who was in the list in the first link. I kinda took your explanation at face value at the time, but I didn't realize that you had said earlier that you wanted to kill myself AND Damdred - where did those scumreads go and how did you end up pushing for the newbie lynch?

On June 11 2016 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rels you're spending an awful lot of time justifying this scumread on Damdred. Like...you didn't spend even close to this much time yesterday either trying to get him lynched or trying not to - why are you making such a show about "coming to this conclusion" about Damdred that's pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point?

On June 11 2016 04:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
FURTHER, all of the posts you quoted in your accusation just now occurred BEFORE the post in which you defend him for NOT doing the things you're saying MAKE him scum today. Like.....really dude?

On June 11 2016 05:02 Damdred wrote:
Oh just go fuck off somewhere rels while you Lynch town tracker and prove you can't read me again if you town.

Either way I take solace in the fact you won't live out the game.

On June 11 2016 05:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't get that same concession? Because you've been calling me scum all game, so from my POV they're bad too.

On June 11 2016 05:03 Damdred wrote:
Well I don't mean that exactly and apologize to rels meh

On June 11 2016 06:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
Man the way Rels "came to the conclusion" that Damdred has to be scum is so strange.

On June 11 2016 11:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
Congrats on graduating

On June 11 2016 23:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Any questions before I head out? Not going to be back before deadline most likely.

On June 11 2016 23:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

15.

On June 11 2016 23:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

WHAT DID YOU JUST CALL ME?!

On June 12 2016 06:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Fucking knew it just so many had their heads stuck in their assholes. Lynching Lex tomorrow followed by VE into Palmar, Rels, and Sicklucker.

On June 12 2016 06:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jesus Fuckery we had 3 towns up for lynch on D1. Worst game ever.

On June 12 2016 06:50 LightningStrike wrote:

Bitch please Damdred is good at reading me and he said I was town and I now trying to take over his place. You been shit this game just follow me.

On June 12 2016 06:55 wherebugsgo wrote:


you're pretty awful at convincing people if you're town. It doesn't matter if you are correct if you can't convince people.

Rels IMO is more likely to be scum than VE. He's not trying to figure the game out at all. Do you actually think Rels is town?

On June 12 2016 21:03 LightningStrike wrote:

The host should of posted the reasoning but he didn't and he needs to. Also If VE was really that concerned about his behavior maybe shouldn't of signed up for this game knowing Koshi's past. If VE is somehow town he absolutely deserves to be lynched.

On June 12 2016 22:00 LightningStrike wrote:
Here another reason why he isn't confrimed town for that:
You saw in Cell Mini I almost got modkilled in that game as scum when I faked raged at FF everyone was like "Oh LS raged he must be town" nope I was scum.
We saw Onegu did this in his last scum game too when he gotten emotional there too so emotions are NAI for the most part.

On June 13 2016 19:36 VisceraEyes wrote:

I don't even know what you're talking about with regard to LS.

On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand.

This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1:



This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this.

1) Hello Everyone!
2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads*
3) explains townreads

It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy.




In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack.

This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit.

Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them!

Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off.

Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him.

On June 13 2016 21:35 Palmar wrote:


You pressure people for reasonable reasons when you're town

You pressure peopl for unreasonable reasons when you're mafia

It's not the "what" it's the "how"

this will be fun.

On June 15 2016 00:48 sicklucker wrote:
i will cheer for iceland. i wont watch a game but no one likes portugal

On June 15 2016 05:05 Tumblewood wrote:
go not portugal

On June 15 2016 06:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Relief finally just time to murder another scum. Who is with me on lynching VE?

On June 15 2016 06:09 LightningStrike wrote:

Let's see VE didn't try to do much Day 1 and Night 1 and when I voted him right off the bat Day 2 he decided to just vote himsef in similar pattern he did in Gaiden 2 when JAT was pressuring him. But during the claim fiasco he then decided to do some stuff but it was meh content wise. the town VE I know actually would of fought his lynching instead of voting himself when I was the only voting him when he voted for himself.

On June 15 2016 11:33 sicklucker wrote:
besides lets be real france only made the bad part of canada.

On June 15 2016 18:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
If you're asking about Lightning's assertion that I'm scum for voting for myself, it's ridiculous. I think Personality 2? Is that the one where Mocsta pissed me the fuck off and I posted my role PM in the thread? That was going to be my method of self-moderation this game btw if it had come to that. Anyway the point is I've been known to ragequit as either alignment. His reasoning is not legitimate.

On June 16 2016 07:49 Tumblewood wrote:

Rels, this is a terrible case because
a) I was not "so convinced" of no-lynching, nor did I change my mind for that reason, and
b) That's not even scummy if I did.

On June 08 2016 13:49 Tumblewood wrote:
tumblewood esteemed 100% accurate sometimes reads list

really town
sl
koshi

sorta town
kelsier
palmar

null
ls
rels

done nothing of note
ve
kwahamot
chezinu

scum team
damdred
shape
wbg

I think I'm done for the night, and the game. my reads can't get any more 100% correct than this.

On June 16 2016 07:54 Tumblewood wrote:

Because in theory no-lynching is always best, but then I thought about it for a moment, and when you add real players who get tunneled it's probably worse than me or SL being there because those are the only ones I trust to finish this game right.
Back atcha, Rels: What about that switch made you think I was scum?

On June 16 2016 08:01 Tumblewood wrote:

Why would I do that though
Why would I have 'the correct' stance for a couple minutes then change my mind
Why wouldn't I put forth my current stance initially
Why wouldn't I just vote no-lynch and go semi-inactive for a cycle? It's not like I'd get punished for autoing.
There's just no scum motivation in what I did but you're acting like there is.

On June 16 2016 08:03 Rels wrote:

I just explained the fucking scum motivation just because you scumread me doesn't give you the fucking right to not read what I've daif

On June 16 2016 08:07 Tumblewood wrote:

Rels, use your thinking brain here. If I'm scum, you said, I would want to look like I'm doing the right thing and then switch to lynching today so I can win immediately. I counter by asking why, if I'm scum, that would be the best play, because there are several options that are just as good.

On June 10 2016 14:09 Tumblewood wrote:
Of the two tracker claims, Art is scum. There's a reason I preferred lynching Shape to lynching Damdred that I avoided saying earlier in the game: I was concerned that I was seeing Damdred's blue meta. Damdred as blue gets himself scumread to avoid a NK (source: Storm, Holyf***e). This is my scum meter for him: plus that whole thing about Kelsier tracking but being completely absent, Art is the scum.
##unvote
##vote: artanis

On June 16 2016 08:15 Tumblewood wrote:
Rels, my new scumread for you is calling people scum for bad reasons.

whoops did I say that

On June 16 2016 13:42 sicklucker wrote:
as for no sleeping we should probably vote on that before the acual lynch since there seems to be some interest not to sleep from ve and tumble. Yes sleeping is always best but we have also already waited a fucking week and im pretty biased because like tumble said im probably the nk anyway and unlike jat Im not a pussy and I like to decide games and not have other people do it for me. (just keep me out of final 3's mafia fuck that)

On June 16 2016 14:03 Tumblewood wrote:
Problem with sleep is that LS is so tunneled on VE that I'm afraid we'll lose a Palmar/LS/VE final 3, and we hardly need to wait. (How's the extra flip going to help? The town circle doesn't need confirmation.)