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On June 08 2016 12:57 sicklucker wrote: no like seriously I need to read you. give me some reads you don't need reads to be able to read LS's alignment, fyi. I'm fairly certain you have nothing to worry about with him this game. As scum LS is incredibly timid, so far this game he just does not appear to be acting that way. | ||
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On June 08 2016 13:01 sicklucker wrote: like pretty much the 101 of getting the new/lynchbait player out. I called holyflare out for it last game and was right. sometimes level one thinking is best What are your thoughts on this post? On June 08 2016 07:11 Rels wrote: Because his joky town about LS is very similar to what he did last game, and scum usually imitates their last town game to appear townie, especially early game; while a townie just doesn't care about stuff like that and does his thing. Plus what Koshi said, the Shape townread in particular is weird and seems to be there only because Shape was super active early. | ||
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On June 08 2016 13:01 Chezinu wrote: Facts: Analysis: Note 9: It seems voting is a particular candidate is harder than it appears. There must be something I am missing. I must find it. Purpose of Post: 1. To figure out the mechanics on how to vote 2. To confirm an innocent ROFL this is actually pretty hilarious | ||
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On June 08 2016 13:14 sicklucker wrote: if thats about dandred I kind of read him as calling ls scum to get a reaction. but he quickly turned it around and said ls is 100% town. which is a very townie thing to do if you have a perfect read on a person and want to bait scum into scum reading him right so you said Shape is 45% mafia to you, what % would you put on Rels? | ||
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On June 08 2016 13:42 Tumblewood wrote: this is never a scum tactic this is an "I finished reading and there's this thing I remember from four pages ago but I don't remember who did it" tactic what are you on about, I use it as scum all the time. That's precisely why I was confused. Scum thrive on pushing lynches without actually pushing them. with that said, I read Koshi's past few games and he's legitimately really bad as both alignments, so I was reading too far into it and I'm no longer confused. On June 08 2016 13:45 Tumblewood wrote: wbg, without saying the word "palmar", what are your reads different, and better, than yours. yours are hot garbage. For example, putting me and shape as scum together. And Palmar as "sorta town" instead of "done nothing of note" (along with putting Chezinu there; if you actually read his posts he wouldn't belong there). | ||
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On June 08 2016 14:27 Kwahamot wrote: Well how should I put this.. This is a response post! Responding to both Shapelog's original response and Rels' claim. I just wanted to bless the thread with some dry humor. The introduction is the introduction. I made that post and prepared it and I'm making this post right now because I've had a busy start to the game and I wanted to get my thoughts down in one go but I'll address my small portions of inactivity next time. I've briefly skimmed the analysis pinned to be able to make a few day 1 calls. The "excuse" was to put things into perspective perhaps some of you guys expect me to immediately fit like a puzzle into this game. I don't think my reads were all that random by the way and I don't think I'd be helping if I talked about the weather as opposed to my "serious" stuff. At least we're talking about me now right? I think the facilitation of discussion makes your case of being town much stronger actually. On to my main point and the overdue response to Shapelog, Rels, I believe you are reading backwards. Although I did claim that I don't have the experience to read you guys in the game, I never said I was a newbie and I think you would be fishing a little bit. You haven't really been saying much.. you responded to my introduction and called out the replacement soo heres some pressure ##Vote: Rels Back to Shapelog, the amount of mafia experience? well some amount I guess mostly offline. I lurked a few threads but never really followed one actively wtf? specifically, I think the facilitation of discussion makes your case of being town much stronger actually. followed by: You haven't really been saying much.. you responded to my introduction and called out the replacement soo heres some pressure ##Vote: Rels ??????? | ||
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##unvote ##vote Shapelog tl;dr of what follows: I won't be around much in the next 12 hours, but we should kill Shapelog. Shapelog is meek, nonconfrontational, says a lot but doesn't contribute anything, and is suspected by pretty much everyone. Best lynch we'll get today. Details follow. I would ordinarily be annoyed with the number of noncontributors we have but I'm actually pretty happy with the state of my reads of those people who actually have posted. The process of elimination should become easier with a bit more time. With that said, since I probably won't be here to drive the lynch, I propose that we kill Shapelog today. 1. Pretty much everyone in the game has said that they are suspicious of Shape, but only one person has actually voted with those suspicions. This is often an indication that someone is just skating by, a pretty big scum trait, whereas people who very obviously stick out are generally not scum. I'm fairly certain we'd get a good amount of blowback to a lynch effort on Shapelog as well, which would be great, because I seriously doubt that the resistance would make Shapelog look better. 2. Shapelog constantly pratters on and on without seeming to actually contribute anything. Given that Shapelog has like 1/5 of this game's posts, you would think that it would be easy to figure out Shapelog's reads and thoughts on the game with a single read-through of the game. Yet, nothing has stuck out, and I cannot actually recall anything Shapelog has said of substance without going filter diving and detail hunting. 3. I found myself spotting a lot of posts of Shapelog's that are of the "I'm going to do X" or "hi I'm here" kind of thing. The self-focus is very strong, and not something that many townies do. Examples: On June 08 2016 11:10 Shapelog wrote: Eh i am getting off On June 08 2016 11:02 Shapelog wrote: Eh I skimmed LS filter and nothing stood out. On June 08 2016 10:52 Shapelog wrote: Eh I guess I dive either Rels or LS now. On June 08 2016 10:31 Shapelog wrote: Eh fuck it, I can screw around longer. Whats up peeps? On June 08 2016 07:09 Shapelog wrote: I going to just grab a drink real quick, and try to read him. On June 08 2016 08:22 Shapelog wrote: Yeah I found it after the Yugi card post the page afterward and posted about it. and, next post, emphasis mine: On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing. He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm. Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well. Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together. Will now dive another person Note that I could go back and find a dozen other posts with the exact same theme, but the idea here is that Shapelog spends a gigantic amount of time saying things like "I'm going to do X" which are incredibly self-focused and seem to just be intended at convincing the thread that useful things are being done. 4. Both of Shapelog's suspicion posts have been of the form "would not mind lynching", as opposed to the more towny approach of "I think this dude is scum, let me vote him and convince all of the rest of you why we should kill him." Shapelog's approach at least from my perspective has been more in the camp of "let me see what sticks by meekly calling a bunch of different people suspicious and then go with the flow". On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing. He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm. Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well. Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together. Will now dive another person On June 08 2016 09:35 Shapelog wrote: Reads -bugs I just do not understand why he is focused so fucking much on Palmar, and nothing else. Infact, the small talk to LS, asking about my games, and Kwah introduction being silly, is all that he has done other than Palmar. 2 of which (LS talk and Kwah) doesn't seem to spark any read from him, and he never read the games to our knowledge. So, most likely he is in love with Palmar, and after the game, will propose to him. Wouldn't mind lynching him, thou other people might be better. Palmar Nothing out of the ordinary. Dead Null, Want Explainations 5. Shapelog has been completely nonconfrontational, meek, and unsure/wishy washy. It seems that players that pressure even slightly will cause Shapelog to give way. Examples: On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote: Idk, Check Millionaire (cell). I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey. Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk. (what is the point of that post even? it's a self reply!) On June 07 2016 06:57 Shapelog wrote: Ah, well, I am suffering maybe from that because i find it fishy that: happens, and 5 mins later For both their entrance posts. But gumshoe thought people for scum because of the fact they both posted at the same time, and one of them was vig (other town) so meh. Just really coincidental, or offchance planned. I think I could keep going but I think I've said enough to show my point (and I want to see if other people see other things that I did not explicitly mention). If anybody sees anything that causes them to think Shapelog is town, please point it out. There are a couple things that lead me to be a bit unsure but I'd be curious if anyone else notices them. Also if anyone thinks there is a better lynch, please provide one. I'll be around for a couple hours before the lynch is over and I will be able to catch up on the thread and vote but I won't be able to push anything beyond what I'm doing now. | ||
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I will explain more later but one of the reasons the resistance to the Shape lynch is very interesting because he hasn't even defended himself yet. You'd think that a townie with so much activity would have defended themselves already. With that said I'm actually also completely fine with a Damdred lynch, as he also shares the trait of being universally suspected but flying under the radar. If necessary I'll move my vote when I recheck the thread before lynch but I would like everyone to consolidate on one of those two today. | ||
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I don't put much weight in VE's defense though, because uncertainty itself is not an alignment indicative trait. Self focus and avoidance of confrontation generally are, though. Anyway when I refer to resistance, it's actually a good sign for a lynch if it has "hidden" resistance in that it's hard to get traction on what looks like a good lynch. Generally lynchbait townies will either just get bandwagoned to death or someone who has a good read of the person will surface new information or actively attempt to prevent the wagon. The traction just isn't there on either of these lynches, so I feel better about both of them. | ||
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It's also really weird that his response to me calling out his self-focus was that he "actually did" what he said he was gonna do (i.e. filter dives). That betrays the fact that he didn't bother to read what I wrote. The self focus aspect of scum is telling the thread how useful you're being. Townies don't do that because they have nothing to prove. They know they are town and their actions will carry that weight. Telling people you're doing stuff and being useful when not even being pressured is generally a scum trait. The response of "oh but I actually did that stuff!!!" is even more of the same of "hey look at me I'm being a townie by doing things like reading" | ||
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Yo, Rels, you're stuck on surface-level stuff on the newbie (who is apparently pretty cognizant of how he sounded, it seemed like a joke) and while he very well might still be scum he's definitely not the best lynch today. One of Damdred/Shapelog dies today, all other votes are wasted. Pick one. | ||
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On June 09 2016 03:45 sicklucker wrote: "looking good" is not really something that makes someone town or mafia. people are better at looking good in arguments but that does not mean they make more sense. I know I dont ever look good in arguments because no one ever agrees with me untill post game when it turns out im right which is pretty much the story line of every game im in. At the same time rels is very good at looking town and in his last two mafia games I WAS THE ONE WHO FUCKING CAUGHT HIM AS MAFIA. and everyone thought he was fucking town in both of those games untill his final day except fucking me of course. So no him looking good should not make him a bad day 1 lynch. but I know in your minds it will so ill move on for now Even if he is scum you are doing a piss poor job of convincing anyone he is worthy of a vote. My point is that the lynch definitely won't happen today so it's not worth derailing the thread over it. Pick one of Damdred and Shapelog to kill and let's get on with it. | ||
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Damdred's posts don't really inspire confidence that he is town. I'm still fine with both lynches (particularly as people are hesitating on Shape without providing any decent reasons for it) | ||
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I feel like the right play here is to switch to Damdred and just kill him. | ||
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On June 09 2016 05:50 sicklucker wrote: Like you dont have to lynch him im not medic I just dont buy his claim reminds me of superbia. do what you want Do you think we have the time to switch to Damdred? I would rather switch at this point and if Shapelog lives the night we just kill him tomorrow. | ||
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On June 09 2016 05:50 LightningStrike wrote: Well there was the hammer. If Shape flips town we lynching Sicklucker 100% Day 2. No, we aren't doing that. | ||
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On June 09 2016 05:53 Rels wrote: This is not a smart post. Shape if doc will get rb'd to death. We lynch Shape if the real doc cc or dies. I doubt it. If the tracker sees someone visit Shape it's pretty much an automatic RB death and then town pretty much just wins. I doubt scum would risk something like that. Think about it from the scum perspective. If the RBer gets tracked the game is effectively over. | ||
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On June 09 2016 05:55 Koshi wrote: wherebugsgo is fucking mafia. There is no way he doesn't understand that the uncced doc should never be lynched in a FUCKING OPEN SETUP You're seriously so fucking bad. Sicklucker might not actually be ccing. If he is, then he dies anyway and we confirm shape is scum. Like I don't understand. I already had a strong town read on sicklucker, but we don't know if he is a doctor till he flips. If he flips on the NK thenwl we get a free scum kill, but Shape is actually not a free scum kill today until we know for sure it was a cc. Not hard to understand. | ||
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