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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
June 20 2016 09:43 GMT
#2101
On June 20 2016 02:04 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2016 06:42 Palmar wrote:
On June 12 2016 06:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 12 2016 06:37 Palmar wrote:
I take no responsibility for our blues being bad players.

I'm still #1


do you still think Rels is scum? and VE?

Rels is 100% mafia. He gave himself away day 1 with his bullshit jump on kwah's post.

VE is more meh. I'm going to re-read him, and I'm probably not going to actually defend him at any point but there's not real reason I want to vote him right now.


Thats the second weird ass I wont defend him post. not even sure if it means something

It's a completely reasonable stance to take to say "I don't really think x sounds like mafia but I'm not going to defend him". The most common reason for doing that is when you have no idea and little information on someone but yet don't remember them doing anything overtly scummy.

In fact, it should in theory mean I'm more towny because I'm hedging my bets (ie: I'm not risking calling mafia town so I can still claim to be #1 player).
Computer says mafia
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 20 2016 09:44 GMT
#2102
On June 20 2016 18:42 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2016 18:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm here Palmar and I want to kill you. Change my mind if you can.

Maybe take your vote off me and put it on Rels?

That's not doin it for me. I already gave reasons why I think Rels is town. He shaded Artanis when the lines were being drawn, I think that's town. I kinda skimmed ur case, but I think ur mafia so I don't know how deep I want to go down that rabbit hole.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
June 20 2016 09:44 GMT
#2103
On June 20 2016 18:42 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2016 18:38 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 07:45 sicklucker wrote:
On June 20 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:
Chez was considered null by like everybody. Apart from sicklucker maybe ?


no one even considered lynching him tho. the fact your saying people scum read him is a rels mafia lie

sicklucker catches Rels bullshitting and still thinks it's a good idea to lynch me.

Bro if you're town you're making it impossible for me to townread you for your stupid tunnel on me. And apart from that and shitting on Damdred you've done nothing this game.

I don't expect you to townread me. There is no way you're town this game.

I didn't shit on Damdred more than he deserved. It is atrocious play to claim your blue role on day 1, no matter how you look at it.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
June 20 2016 09:44 GMT
#2104
It'd be nice if one of the townies showed up to talk to me.
Computer says mafia
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 09:45 GMT
#2105
On June 20 2016 18:44 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2016 18:42 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:38 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 07:45 sicklucker wrote:
On June 20 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:
Chez was considered null by like everybody. Apart from sicklucker maybe ?


no one even considered lynching him tho. the fact your saying people scum read him is a rels mafia lie

sicklucker catches Rels bullshitting and still thinks it's a good idea to lynch me.

Bro if you're town you're making it impossible for me to townread you for your stupid tunnel on me. And apart from that and shitting on Damdred you've done nothing this game.

I don't expect you to townread me. There is no way you're town this game.

I didn't shit on Damdred more than he deserved. It is atrocious play to claim your blue role on day 1, no matter how you look at it.

Then you can die.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 20 2016 09:46 GMT
#2106
On June 20 2016 18:44 Palmar wrote:
It'd be nice if one of the townies showed up to talk to me.

I think this is implying that I'm mafia. That's hilarious.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
June 20 2016 09:47 GMT
#2107
On June 20 2016 18:45 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2016 18:44 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:42 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:38 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 07:45 sicklucker wrote:
On June 20 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:
Chez was considered null by like everybody. Apart from sicklucker maybe ?


no one even considered lynching him tho. the fact your saying people scum read him is a rels mafia lie

sicklucker catches Rels bullshitting and still thinks it's a good idea to lynch me.

Bro if you're town you're making it impossible for me to townread you for your stupid tunnel on me. And apart from that and shitting on Damdred you've done nothing this game.

I don't expect you to townread me. There is no way you're town this game.

I didn't shit on Damdred more than he deserved. It is atrocious play to claim your blue role on day 1, no matter how you look at it.

Then you can die.

Or you, we'll see.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
June 20 2016 09:47 GMT
#2108
On June 20 2016 18:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2016 18:44 Palmar wrote:
It'd be nice if one of the townies showed up to talk to me.

I think this is implying that I'm mafia. That's hilarious.

Is there another solution to the game? Convince me sl or tumble is mafia?
Computer says mafia
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 20 2016 09:50 GMT
#2109
On June 20 2016 18:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2016 18:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:44 Palmar wrote:
It'd be nice if one of the townies showed up to talk to me.

I think this is implying that I'm mafia. That's hilarious.

Is there another solution to the game? Convince me sl or tumble is mafia?

I've given reasons for thinking what I do. You're just saying that's your solution. I'm trying to figure it out, you're just claiming it's all figured out. One of those is town and one is mafia. It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out which is which LAWL.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
June 20 2016 09:50 GMT
#2110
Like I'm trying to read back through your filter VE, and figuring out how you gradually convinced yourself that I'm mafia without me really posting or being available at all. ie: you made a different conclusion from the same evidence.

Computer says mafia
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 09:51 GMT
#2111
On June 20 2016 18:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2016 18:45 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:44 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:42 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:38 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 07:45 sicklucker wrote:
On June 20 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:
Chez was considered null by like everybody. Apart from sicklucker maybe ?


no one even considered lynching him tho. the fact your saying people scum read him is a rels mafia lie

sicklucker catches Rels bullshitting and still thinks it's a good idea to lynch me.

Bro if you're town you're making it impossible for me to townread you for your stupid tunnel on me. And apart from that and shitting on Damdred you've done nothing this game.

I don't expect you to townread me. There is no way you're town this game.

I didn't shit on Damdred more than he deserved. It is atrocious play to claim your blue role on day 1, no matter how you look at it.

Then you can die.

Or you, we'll see.

Yeah you're good at tryharding when it matters as scum. But if I'm ever lynched before you this game the rest of the town is the most retarded ever.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
June 20 2016 09:52 GMT
#2112
On June 20 2016 18:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2016 18:47 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:44 Palmar wrote:
It'd be nice if one of the townies showed up to talk to me.

I think this is implying that I'm mafia. That's hilarious.

Is there another solution to the game? Convince me sl or tumble is mafia?

I've given reasons for thinking what I do. You're just saying that's your solution. I'm trying to figure it out, you're just claiming it's all figured out. One of those is town and one is mafia. It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to figure out which is which LAWL.

No my solution is literally "Rels is mafia" and then... "VE is maybe mafia because PoE? maybe because I'm bad and lots of dead people called him scum"?

I don't actively know you're mafia. Which is why I would never argue for your lynch today. To me the lynch is 100% clear and should always and only be rels. There is no way, absolutely no way, he is town this game.

There is a chance I'm wrong on sl or tumble. Both feel like people I've somewhat ignored throughout the game but I recall them both doing fairly towny things at some points (I think they both have done tinfoil theories that sounded townie, at least sicklucker did one regarding the claims).
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
June 20 2016 09:53 GMT
#2113
On June 20 2016 18:51 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2016 18:47 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:45 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:44 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:42 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:38 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 07:45 sicklucker wrote:
On June 20 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:
Chez was considered null by like everybody. Apart from sicklucker maybe ?


no one even considered lynching him tho. the fact your saying people scum read him is a rels mafia lie

sicklucker catches Rels bullshitting and still thinks it's a good idea to lynch me.

Bro if you're town you're making it impossible for me to townread you for your stupid tunnel on me. And apart from that and shitting on Damdred you've done nothing this game.

I don't expect you to townread me. There is no way you're town this game.

I didn't shit on Damdred more than he deserved. It is atrocious play to claim your blue role on day 1, no matter how you look at it.

Then you can die.

Or you, we'll see.

Yeah you're good at tryharding when it matters as scum. But if I'm ever lynched before you this game the rest of the town is the most retarded ever.

In this post Rels hedges the town against lynching him because of the risk of being "most retarded ever".

I'm sure no one will now risk lynching you, people wouldn't want to be "most retarded ever".
Computer says mafia
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 20 2016 10:12 GMT
#2114
Like maybe I'm maf-siding but you just come across as caught scum right now Palmar. You're just clinging to this Rels mafia read saying "there's no way he's town this game" over and over, suddenly saying I must be mafia because "there's no other solution" like come on. You haven't even been here to say "hey you know I'm reading through your filter now and I don't know", you don't even HAVE a filter for me to go through. Like get real man.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 20 2016 10:31 GMT
#2115
On June 20 2016 18:53 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2016 18:51 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:47 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:45 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:44 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:42 Rels wrote:
On June 20 2016 18:38 Palmar wrote:
On June 20 2016 07:45 sicklucker wrote:
On June 20 2016 06:12 Rels wrote:
Chez was considered null by like everybody. Apart from sicklucker maybe ?


no one even considered lynching him tho. the fact your saying people scum read him is a rels mafia lie

sicklucker catches Rels bullshitting and still thinks it's a good idea to lynch me.

Bro if you're town you're making it impossible for me to townread you for your stupid tunnel on me. And apart from that and shitting on Damdred you've done nothing this game.

I don't expect you to townread me. There is no way you're town this game.

I didn't shit on Damdred more than he deserved. It is atrocious play to claim your blue role on day 1, no matter how you look at it.

Then you can die.

Or you, we'll see.

Yeah you're good at tryharding when it matters as scum. But if I'm ever lynched before you this game the rest of the town is the most retarded ever.

In this post Rels hedges the town against lynching him because of the risk of being "most retarded ever".

I'm sure no one will now risk lynching you, people wouldn't want to be "most retarded ever".

He you're right I realize I made that post because I fear being lynched over you and now I feel no responsibility if that happens
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 20 2016 13:29 GMT
#2116
Day 5 Votecount

Palmar (4): sicklucker, Tumblewood, VisceraEyes, Rels
Rels (1): Palmar

Not Voting (0):


until deadline.
table for two on a tv tray
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
June 20 2016 14:55 GMT
#2117
I only cling to reads that I know are good.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
June 20 2016 15:09 GMT
#2118
Like I don't know how to get you guys to actually respond.

There's 2 townies in the following group: VE, SL, Tumble. Those two townies need to take a real hard long look at why they want to lynch me. It's a bit frustrating that neither sl nor tumble have been here at all (although who am I to say, I went afk for a few days).

If I have done anything objectively scummy, please tell me so I can explain. For the most part it almost seems like people want to lynch me for being alive lategame (given my early game reads that shouldn't be a surprise) and for being afk (something I never, ever lie about as either alignment. 17th of june is icelandic national holiday, I went out to the country for 4 days with the family).

Neither of these make me mafia. In fact you should read the case I wrote on Rels some more until you actually get it into your thick heads that there is a reason I've been pushing it since day 1.

This is literally the first day since day 1 that isn't basically autolynch, so please stop the badness, think of the children.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
June 20 2016 15:10 GMT
#2119
On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand.

This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.


This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this.

1) Hello Everyone!
2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads*
3) explains townreads

It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy.


Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:02 Shapelog wrote:
Moving on
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.

What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?

anyways,

First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.

So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?

+ Show Spoiler [funny point] +

it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours

Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.

##Vote Kwahamot
Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread.
The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum.
Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.


In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack.

This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit.

Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them!

Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off.

Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him.




On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand.

This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.


This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this.

1) Hello Everyone!
2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads*
3) explains townreads

It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy.


Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:02 Shapelog wrote:
Moving on
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.

What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?

anyways,

First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.

So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?

+ Show Spoiler [funny point] +

it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours

Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.

##Vote Kwahamot
Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread.
The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum.
Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.


In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack.

This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit.

Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them!

Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off.

Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him.




On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand.

This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.


This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this.

1) Hello Everyone!
2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads*
3) explains townreads

It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy.


Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:02 Shapelog wrote:
Moving on
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.

What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?

anyways,

First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.

So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?

+ Show Spoiler [funny point] +

it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours

Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.

##Vote Kwahamot
Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread.
The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum.
Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.


In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack.

This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit.

Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them!

Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off.

Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him.




On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand.

This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.


This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this.

1) Hello Everyone!
2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads*
3) explains townreads

It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy.


Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:02 Shapelog wrote:
Moving on
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.

What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?

anyways,

First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.

So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?

+ Show Spoiler [funny point] +

it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours

Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.

##Vote Kwahamot
Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread.
The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum.
Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.


In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack.

This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit.

Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them!

Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off.

Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him.




On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand.

This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.


This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this.

1) Hello Everyone!
2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads*
3) explains townreads

It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy.


Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:02 Shapelog wrote:
Moving on
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.

What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?

anyways,

First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.

So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?

+ Show Spoiler [funny point] +

it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours

Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.

##Vote Kwahamot
Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread.
The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum.
Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.


In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack.

This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit.

Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them!

Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off.

Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him.




On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand.

This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.


This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this.

1) Hello Everyone!
2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads*
3) explains townreads

It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy.


Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:02 Shapelog wrote:
Moving on
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.

What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?

anyways,

First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.

So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?

+ Show Spoiler [funny point] +

it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours

Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.

##Vote Kwahamot
Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread.
The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum.
Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.


In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack.

This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit.

Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them!

Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off.

Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him.




On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand.

This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.


This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this.

1) Hello Everyone!
2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads*
3) explains townreads

It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy.


Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:02 Shapelog wrote:
Moving on
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.

What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?

anyways,

First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.

So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?

+ Show Spoiler [funny point] +

it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours

Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.

##Vote Kwahamot
Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread.
The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum.
Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.


In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack.

This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit.

Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them!

Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off.

Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him.




On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand.

This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.


This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this.

1) Hello Everyone!
2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads*
3) explains townreads

It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy.


Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:02 Shapelog wrote:
Moving on
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.

What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?

anyways,

First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.

So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?

+ Show Spoiler [funny point] +

it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours

Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.

##Vote Kwahamot
Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread.
The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum.
Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.


In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack.

This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit.

Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them!

Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off.

Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him.




On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand.

This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.


This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this.

1) Hello Everyone!
2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads*
3) explains townreads

It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy.


Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:02 Shapelog wrote:
Moving on
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.

What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?

anyways,

First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.

So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?

+ Show Spoiler [funny point] +

it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours

Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.

##Vote Kwahamot
Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread.
The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum.
Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.


In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack.

This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit.

Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them!

Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off.

Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him.




On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand.

This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.


This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this.

1) Hello Everyone!
2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads*
3) explains townreads

It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy.


Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:02 Shapelog wrote:
Moving on
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.

What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?

anyways,

First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.

So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?

+ Show Spoiler [funny point] +

it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours

Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.

##Vote Kwahamot
Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread.
The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum.
Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.


In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack.

This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit.

Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them!

Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off.

Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him.




On June 13 2016 19:55 Palmar wrote:
I am going to post the case one more time, because you all seem to have tiny brains so maybe just posting the case over and over in different formats helps you understand.

This is why Rels has been mafia since day 1:

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.


This is a super normal post from a 1st time player. It barely gets more normal. To paraphrase the post, it's something like this.

1) Hello Everyone!
2) I'm inexperienced but I'll try anyway, *gives 2 townreads*
3) explains townreads

It's literally everything you could possibly want from a 1st post. Sure, it doesn't make him lock town (he was), or even anything more than "meh", but it's certainly not a reason to build a scumcase that Rels never let go of throughout the entire day, and kept basically painting everything kwah said as scummy.


Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 07:06 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 07:02 Shapelog wrote:
Moving on
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote:
Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!

Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.

Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.

What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?

anyways,

First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.

So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?

+ Show Spoiler [funny point] +

it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours

Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.

##Vote Kwahamot
Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread.
The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum.
Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.


In hindsight, Rels additionally jumped Shapelog's post to attack kwah. Knowing Shapelog was town that would add extra credibility (and deniability) to Rels' attack.

This was not a "prepared" post by kwah. Sure he used awkward statement, but it was nothing like the game thing Ritoky did in the last game where the entire content and everything was not about the game at all. Calling it a prepared post is 100% bullshit.

Second, there's two types of newbies who make newbie excuses. newbie towns and newbie scum. There is nothing insincere about this post. Calling the reads "random" is just building something scummy out of something that isn't. On what basis are the reads "random"? Even if they aren't great or well supported they're definitely not random, he even gave reasons for them!

Throughout the day, my memory may be off here, Rels kept picking apart more stuff from kwah, which is also bad because even if kwah is mafia, mafia doesn't give themselves away with just about every post. It's usually just a single or two thing that is off.

Basically, Rels is scum and we should kill him.




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Iceland22634 Posts
June 20 2016 15:10 GMT
#2120
here, I posted case about 10 times

now my filter is longfilter, wow.
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