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Rels
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Rels
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I reread Drams' SL filter, probably his most tryhard scum game ever. In D1 happens kinda the same situation than in this game. scott and Damdred were both blue and both claimed before deadline. In Drams SL first instantly believed scott's claim: On October 01 2015 05:47 sicklucker wrote: weird that someone would sub out of a power role. looks like we killin cool On October 01 2015 06:10 sicklucker wrote: 1 shot tracker.... kinda ironic not gonna say why... On October 01 2015 06:11 sicklucker wrote: Scott you devil you On October 01 2015 06:16 sicklucker wrote: ............................................... + Show Spoiler + IDIOT Then when came time to vote SL appeared hesitant but voted scott - sealing the deal for the 1-shot tracker (these posts are 2 minutes before deadline and he's having doubts but voting scott anyway): On October 01 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote: i dont know who to vote On October 01 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote: like scott claimed 1 shot tracker last game. i know hes faking but it might be town In this game SL played it very differently. He was convinced Shape was fakeclaiming, when as scum he would know it to be false: On June 09 2016 05:41 sicklucker wrote: a doctor would not claim a doctor... he would claim a tracker... On June 09 2016 05:42 sicklucker wrote: no town in the history of towning claims doctor so mf can nk them. wtf they just claim pr and dont say which one or lie or something. its pretty bad On June 09 2016 05:46 sicklucker wrote: shapelog is fakkke claimingggg On June 09 2016 05:49 sicklucker wrote: like im not claiming but I do not believe his claim. i am not of the school of thought that claims should be ignored all the time. his claim is bad ##vote shapelog On June 09 2016 05:50 sicklucker wrote: Like you dont have to lynch him im not medic I just dont buy his claim reminds me of superbia. do what you want On June 09 2016 05:53 sicklucker wrote: like if your a doctor you dont claim doctor you calim power role. if you claim doctor is very bad because it tells mafia how to handle night actions perfectly On June 09 2016 05:54 sicklucker wrote: sign i dont know what im going to do just dont lynch shape because of me. we can probably figure that out later. i just personally want to lynch shape but even that im not decided on Then when came time to vote he voted the newbie over blue roles. This makes him very likely town. | ||
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Rels
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Plus I still believe the NKs kinda makes VE town even if I see how it is WIFOM. I can't get around VE killing his most easy lynch apart from me. | ||
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On June 16 2016 07:01 Tumblewood wrote: ##vote: no-lynch Rels is right that this is the best play but I'm still lynching him tomorrow. On June 16 2016 07:24 Tumblewood wrote: assuming we no-lynch If VE is town, scum wins because they can force LyLo with LS and VE and win. If he's scum with Rels, he busses Rels and kills LS and forces LyLo with SL and Palmar and wins. If he's with Palmar, they go for the mislynch on Rels and maybe win. On June 16 2016 07:31 Tumblewood wrote: Did you see SL's post about bussing being the best play in 3v2 or 4v2 LyLo? If Palmar busses Rels and it goes through he gets all the cred, if it doesn't he wins on the spot. This logic for not voting no-lynch is very twisted | ||
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Rels
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VE, SL: I'm asking for a DUEL with Tumble. Leave your vote on Palmar, so it's 3-2 Palmar-Rels. That's a risk you have to take. I'm taking it too. If Palmar is not scum, the game is lost. That's part of the risk. He's very very likely scum though: town!Palmar appears decisive but he's actually always doubting and thinking about the game. He wouldn't 100% scumread me for all these days over something I'm known to do, IE tunneling someone because of only one post. But never once did he showed doubts about me. Now if VE and SL are scum with palmar, the scum in there will switch to me and we lose the game right there. That is the risk I'm taking. If no switch happens AND Palmar is scum, then VE and SL are confirmed town. And Tumble will be confirmed scum, and from his POV I will be the only one left to be pushed. 1V1 fight | ||
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Rels
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On June 09 2016 10:38 Tumblewood wrote: tumblewood esteemed even more 100% accurate reads list really town sl koshi shape damdred ls townish wbg null palmar kelsier chezinu could lynch rels would lynch ve So basically Tumble's reads didn't evolve from the beginning of the game. Apart from that time where Damdred was lynched of course. This is a scum tell | ||
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On June 17 2016 03:35 Tumblewood wrote: rels, here is why I think you're scum: a) you see information, and you make conclusions from it (in the form of X is scummy) that a townie could not reasonably conclude. it comes as either a huge leap to a conclusion or that you say "it benefits scum" and don't consider whether scum would have done something else or whether town would have done that too. examples: kwah case D1, case on me today. b) you call me (and occasionally LS) scummy but then don't actually call me scum. it's like you want me lynched but you don't want to say so. and here is why I think palmar is probably scum: a) wrong on both his scumreads D1 and his vote on D2. apparently being wrong D1 is a scumtell for palmar. b) who else is, eh? and here is why ve is probably town: a) he's been very genuine this game. it seems like he actually believes what he's saying when he gets pissed that someone's scumreading him or he tunnels on someone. b) he's been so horseshit with some of his reads to the point that scum knows they'll get called out on it and town doesn't care. shit, I'm confirmation biased to all hell on palmar/ve. Nothing much has happened since that post. VE was townie in his doubts over Palmar just recently, Palmar didn't do anything apart from repeating to lynch me. I have no idea why Tumble is scumreading VE more than Palmar right now. By voting me he's saying VE is scum over Palmar which doesn't align with his reads. | ||
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Palmar
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On June 21 2016 02:50 Rels wrote: So basically Tumble's reads didn't evolve from the beginning of the game. Apart from that time where Damdred was lynched of course. This is a scum tell mine didn't really evolve either, but I guess that makes me mafia too doesn't it? | ||
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Rels
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On June 21 2016 03:00 Palmar wrote: mine didn't really evolve either, but I guess that makes me mafia too doesn't it? Yep. Especially given your playstyle. If you're town you really were tunneled this game | ||
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Tumblewood
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rels, if my reads didn't involve since the start of the game and I'm really wure of them, why is that an indicator that I am scum and not that I was mostly right and confident in my reads? | ||
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On June 21 2016 03:02 Rels wrote: Yep. Especially given your playstyle. If you're town you really were tunneled this game Like, this is what I expect from town!you. From PYP where I was scum and you got me lynched: + Show Spoiler + On February 01 2016 07:00 Palmar wrote: I don't really think he's mafia. But the options is this. Superbia and I are not getting lynched. If one of us is mafia the game is over. there were 2 mafia kp last night. 1 was likely by disfo. CC couldn't have delivered 1, because she would have been roleblocked if she tracked mafia delivering a kp. sl claims a roleblock, which can be explained by koshi. you claim a roleblock, which can be explained by the vanilla virus. This leaves ONLY 2 people: shining rels One of which must have delivered the other mafia KP. (unless one of the roleblocks is a lie). Shining has like... 6 pages of filter, rels has 22 or something. There is a very good statistical reason to lynch shining over rels. On February 01 2016 07:01 Palmar wrote: you know what, screw it. let's lynch rels for no good reason. On February 01 2016 07:59 Palmar wrote: I don't care and you're the one getting lynched. On February 01 2016 08:22 Palmar wrote: No we just got all the good roles killed. I'm so fucking uncertain. Rels is not wrong, koshi did not say what he did n2 as I can find. On February 01 2016 08:26 Palmar wrote: No your explanation is fine. But a much simpler explanation is that koshi randomly roleblocked scum or something (like disfo) who didn't carry kp and that guy didn't claim it and koshi didn't really think about it. or that he blocked alot, of course. On February 01 2016 08:31 Palmar wrote: fuck it let's kill shining then? On February 01 2016 08:38 Palmar wrote: I don't care. I'm going to stay on rels as a revenge for him disagreeing with me on kita day 1. Another example, the "I don't know what I'm doing" post from the last game when we were lynching marv. Your mindset this game does not ressemble your town mindset. | ||
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What posts are you talking about here ? | ||
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Tumblewood
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On June 21 2016 02:46 Rels wrote: Yep Tumble let's fight. I'm decided. VE, SL: I'm asking for a DUEL with Tumble. Leave your vote on Palmar, so it's 3-2 Palmar-Rels. That's a risk you have to take. I'm taking it too. If Palmar is not scum, the game is lost. That's part of the risk. He's very very likely scum though: town!Palmar appears decisive but he's actually always doubting and thinking about the game. He wouldn't 100% scumread me for all these days over something I'm known to do, IE tunneling someone because of only one post. But never once did he showed doubts about me. Now if VE and SL are scum with palmar, the scum in there will switch to me and we lose the game right there. That is the risk I'm taking. If no switch happens AND Palmar is scum, then VE and SL are confirmed town. And Tumble will be confirmed scum, and from his POV I will be the only one left to be pushed. 1V1 fight there's something to make of this for sure hold on while I think about things ... alright I've got it in a world where rels is with palmar rels is committing suicide but probably banking on his plan not working. in a world where rels is with ve rels is hoping to get his one out mislynched today. that would definitely make sense. in a world where ve is with palmar rels is a scrub. hm maybe there wasn't anything to make of this | ||
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Rels
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On June 21 2016 03:03 Tumblewood wrote: ok I was gone for less time than expected rels, if my reads didn't involve since the start of the game and I'm really wure of them, why is that an indicator that I am scum and not that I was mostly right and confident in my reads? 1. cause town are almost never 100% right this early in the game. The last post that called all the mafia in D2 in a game was by rsoul in Himalayas, and it was so impressive she got a 2015 reward from that. 2. cause scum has an harder time changing reads than town because they need to fabricate the reasons for this change. | ||
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Tumblewood
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On June 21 2016 03:06 Rels wrote: First this: What posts are you talking about here ? generally ve is mentioning that he's town / he shouldn't be lynched / people shouldn't be scumreading him waaay more than a normal townie is and had some pretty horseshit posts at the start of the game. this is a) town!ve being weird and we shouldn't lynch him or b) scum!ve playing the "too scummy to be scum" card | ||
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Rels
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On June 21 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote: generally ve is mentioning that he's town / he shouldn't be lynched / people shouldn't be scumreading him waaay more than a normal townie is and had some pretty horseshit posts at the start of the game. this is a) town!ve being weird and we shouldn't lynch him or b) scum!ve playing the "too scummy to be scum" card But this was posted after a set of posts by VE that I did not felt were "too scummy to be scum" ? | ||
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Tumblewood
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On June 21 2016 03:09 Rels wrote: Now my answer: 1. cause town are almost never 100% right this early in the game. The last post that called all the mafia in D2 in a game was by rsoul in Himalayas, and it was so impressive she got a 2015 reward from that. 2. cause scum has an harder time changing reads than town because they need to fabricate the reasons for this change. what I did not "100% right" though, it's 3 for 5. plus if I were scum I know not to be super right because being good is probably a scumtell for me. | ||
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Palmar
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On June 21 2016 03:02 Rels wrote: Yep. Especially given your playstyle. If you're town you really were tunneled this game I am always tunneled as town  | ||
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Tumblewood
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On June 21 2016 03:13 Rels wrote: But this was posted after a set of posts by VE that I did not felt were "too scummy to be scum" ? that was a feeling I was harboring for a while | ||
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