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				On June 21 2016 03:13 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 03:09 Rels wrote:Now my answer: On June 21 2016 03:03 Tumblewood wrote:ok I was gone for less time than expected
 rels, if my reads didn't involve since the start of the game and I'm really wure of them, why is that an indicator that I am scum and not that I was mostly right and confident in my reads?
 1. cause town are almost never 100% right this early in the game. The last post that called all the mafia in D2 in a game was by rsoul in Himalayas, and it was so impressive she got a 2015 reward from that. 2. cause scum has an harder time changing reads than town because they need to fabricate the reasons for this change. what I did not "100% right" though, it's 3 for 5. plus if I were scum I know not to be super right because being good is probably a scumtell for me. LOL
 This is a funny defense (= I hope I'm right and you're scum so we can laugh about it post game (=
 
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				On June 21 2016 03:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 03:02 Rels wrote:On June 21 2016 03:00 Palmar wrote:On June 21 2016 02:50 Rels wrote:On June 09 2016 10:38 Tumblewood wrote:tumblewood esteemed even more 100% accurate reads list
 
 really town
 sl
 koshi
 shape
 damdred
 ls
 
 townish
 wbg
 
 null
 palmar
 kelsier
 chezinu
 
 could lynch
 rels
 
 would lynch
 ve
 So basically Tumble's reads didn't evolve from the beginning of the game. Apart from that time where Damdred was lynched of course. This is a scum tell mine didn't really evolve either, but I guess that makes me mafia too doesn't it? Yep. Especially given your playstyle. If you're town you really were tunneled this game I am always tunneled as town   If you think that it's no wonder you play like that as scum (=
 
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				I can't tell if the latest interactions between palmar and rels are genuine (aka palmar is town) or really good distancing
			
		
		
	 
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				man it's really easy to see how scummy rels is when you start with the assumption that he's scumve too
 palmar almost
 
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				On June 21 2016 03:13 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 03:13 Rels wrote:On June 21 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:On June 21 2016 03:06 Rels wrote:First this: On June 21 2016 01:51 Rels wrote:On June 21 2016 01:29 Tumblewood wrote:if ve is scum he's going for the "be as obvious as possible and they'll be too scared to lynch me" plan. and it might be working, I feel really uncomfortable lynching him.
 What do you mean ? What posts are you talking about here ? generally ve is mentioning that he's town / he shouldn't be lynched / people shouldn't be scumreading him waaay more than a normal townie is and had some pretty horseshit posts at the start of the game. this is a) town!ve being weird and we shouldn't lynch him or b) scum!ve playing the "too scummy to be scum" card But this was posted after a set of posts by VE that I did not felt were "too scummy to be scum" ? that was a feeling I was harboring for a while So what did you think of VE's last batch of posts ?
 
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				ok my computer seems to be working again for now spent all morning trying to fix it
			
		
	 
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				On June 21 2016 03:20 sicklucker wrote:ok my computer seems to be working again for now spent all morning trying to fix it
 I DONT CARE
 
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				also im kind of paranoid its gona shit up again. also I took a 3 day job starting toromorow that will take up alot of time. so if your gonna duel do it today imo
			
		
	 
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				On June 21 2016 03:21 sicklucker wrote:also im kind of paranoid its gona shit up again. also I took a 3 day job starting toromorow that will take up alot of time. so if your gonna duel do it today imo
 That's nonsense. Do you feel like making a game-turning decision with this little time ?
 
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				yes. and holy shit if mafia decides to kill ve over me were gonna have another rels/tumble/sl final 3. no thank you
			
		
	 
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				On June 21 2016 03:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 03:13 Tumblewood wrote:On June 21 2016 03:13 Rels wrote:On June 21 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:On June 21 2016 03:06 Rels wrote:First this: On June 21 2016 01:51 Rels wrote:On June 21 2016 01:29 Tumblewood wrote:if ve is scum he's going for the "be as obvious as possible and they'll be too scared to lynch me" plan. and it might be working, I feel really uncomfortable lynching him.
 What do you mean ? What posts are you talking about here ? generally ve is mentioning that he's town / he shouldn't be lynched / people shouldn't be scumreading him waaay more than a normal townie is and had some pretty horseshit posts at the start of the game. this is a) town!ve being weird and we shouldn't lynch him or b) scum!ve playing the "too scummy to be scum" card But this was posted after a set of posts by VE that I did not felt were "too scummy to be scum" ? that was a feeling I was harboring for a while So what did you think of VE's last batch of posts ? I ignored them when I went over them the first time
 the second time I noticed that both you and ve don't think the other is scum which is weird because all of you/ve/palmar should be hard-scumreading the other two. I'd also expect more of a bus but then again if you can get away with a 3-2 vote for palmar why wouldn't you?
 
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				On June 21 2016 03:23 sicklucker wrote:yes. and holy shit if mafia decides to kill ve over me were gonna have another rels/tumble/sl final 3. no thank you
 please this time it's going to be really easy because this time I am obv town
 
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				On June 21 2016 03:23 sicklucker wrote:yes. and holy shit if mafia decides to kill ve over me were gonna have another rels/tumble/sl final 3. no thank you
 I don't know what to say to that
 
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				On June 21 2016 03:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 03:21 sicklucker wrote:also im kind of paranoid its gona shit up again. also I took a 3 day job starting toromorow that will take up alot of time. so if your gonna duel do it today imo
 That's nonsense. Do you feel like making a game-turning decision with this little time ? > tfw rels realizes he's going to lose the duel so he calls it off
 
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				On June 21 2016 03:26 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 03:22 Rels wrote:On June 21 2016 03:21 sicklucker wrote:also im kind of paranoid its gona shit up again. also I took a 3 day job starting toromorow that will take up alot of time. so if your gonna duel do it today imo
 That's nonsense. Do you feel like making a game-turning decision with this little time ? > tfw rels realizes he's going to lose the duel so he calls it off Yep I think palmar is the better lynch. But I can't step down from that. Let's fight
 
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				sl you should vote rels instead of palmarve/palmar team 99% of the time doesn't exist and it eliminates the possibility of the me/you/rels lylo (though anyone/palmar/ve lylo is scarier)
 
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				On June 21 2016 03:25 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 03:19 Rels wrote:On June 21 2016 03:13 Tumblewood wrote:On June 21 2016 03:13 Rels wrote:On June 21 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote:On June 21 2016 03:06 Rels wrote:First this: On June 21 2016 01:51 Rels wrote:On June 21 2016 01:29 Tumblewood wrote:if ve is scum he's going for the "be as obvious as possible and they'll be too scared to lynch me" plan. and it might be working, I feel really uncomfortable lynching him.
 What do you mean ? What posts are you talking about here ? generally ve is mentioning that he's town / he shouldn't be lynched / people shouldn't be scumreading him waaay more than a normal townie is and had some pretty horseshit posts at the start of the game. this is a) town!ve being weird and we shouldn't lynch him or b) scum!ve playing the "too scummy to be scum" card But this was posted after a set of posts by VE that I did not felt were "too scummy to be scum" ? that was a feeling I was harboring for a while So what did you think of VE's last batch of posts ? I ignored them when I went over them the first time the second time I noticed that both you and ve don't think the other is scum which is weird because all of you/ve/palmar should be hard-scumreading the other two. I'd also expect more of a bus but then again if you can get away with a 3-2 vote for palmar why wouldn't you? And what about the fact both of us have good arguments against Palmar ? I don't even know why you're not scumreading Palmar anymore
 
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				On June 21 2016 03:31 Tumblewood wrote:sl you should vote rels instead of palmar
 ve/palmar team 99% of the time doesn't exist and it eliminates the possibility of the me/you/rels lylo (though anyone/palmar/ve lylo is scarier)
 Did you already explain this ?
 
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				On June 21 2016 03:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2016 03:20 sicklucker wrote:ok my computer seems to be working again for now spent all morning trying to fix it
 I DONT CARE "Look guys how unafraid I am of being lynched. I'm even being crass to the people I need to convince!!!!"
 
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