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On June 02 2016 22:33 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: oh i prefer dota if I'm going to play a moba. It's just that all I remember is entire hours of my life being wasted in games where I wasn't even having fun. Hmm I find dota a lot more relaxing than starcraft, that's pretty much why I ended up making the transition (well SC->LoL->dota) | ||
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On June 02 2016 22:51 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: oh yeah definitely. It's just like in dota your team feeds or you feed, then for the next 30 minutes you are stuck in an unwinnable game where no one is trying. And after the game you're like "wow that game really sucked," and now half my night is gone. Yeah that's a fair point. I've been playing Overwatch recently, and I realize that I actually miss the downtime. In dota if things go bad, it either ends pretty quickly or you have it be drawn out. Then there's a couple minutes of queue time, through all of this you can decompress and reset for the next game. In Overwatch things can go poorly forever with no breaks, it's weird I don't think I've ever gotten so mad from playing a game... still fun tho | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:41 QuickTwist wrote: You want them to get mod killed if they can prove they are Town? Whaaaa? I'm afraid I don't follow, how mod killed? Just want to lynch if they are followers of Cesar >  | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:49 QuickTwist wrote: Lets think about this for a moment. What's the only way someone can prove their role in this game? I'll give you a hint: Its against the rules. Ah OK, I understand what you are saying. | ||
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On June 04 2016 08:07 QuickTwist wrote: I;m getting a town read on Sup... for really no reason. On June 04 2016 08:14 QuickTwist wrote: Town read on Jealous. On June 04 2016 08:16 QuickTwist wrote: Town read on Tumble A lot of reads, not sure where from. Purpose could be to create conversation. Seems towny, trying to get more information out of people. On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote: I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this. Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess. Taking the second level logic approach and scum reading superior. Overall agressive and bold claims. Agressive seems scummy, but seems risky to put yourself out so much early on. I can see the information seeking thought process, even if I don't agree with the overall thought process. Read: I'm thinking he's pretty town | ||
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See above lol was looking through filter Also, what is the best way to keep up with these games? Just sub threads + filters? | ||
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On June 04 2016 23:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: Talk to me buddy. Does Quicktwist and Jealous feel like two townies caught in an argument against each other and refusing to back down due to pride or is one of them Mafia? For some reason I keep getting hints of the second even though it really looks like the first. QT v Jealous has obviously dominated the first few pages so far. I've been thinking similarly, but that there is a third option as well --- I'm not sure how likely that is though. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 04 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote: the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection. Here it looks like tumble is putting pressure on Jealous. This is based off of defense for QT, since he gave strong townread to QT earlier here: On June 04 2016 09:20 Tumblewood wrote: shitty early d1 reads that I shouldn't be making town: superbia, qt town lean: emperor null: moosy scum lean: jealous scum: [pending further posts] To which is commented: On June 04 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote: if asked to defend any of my reads right now I will only respond by saying "feels" So now that we've framed the context of the first post, I think that there are two ways of interpreting it: 1) He is protecting QT-pie 2) He's calling a bad play a bad play From the previous context, I would think former, but reading the following posts I think the ladder: On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote: what but why it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote: his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote: ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2 or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In my mind, it seems that there is some sort of triangle between QT-pie, tumble and Jealsus. At first I was thinking that QT/tumble could be a pair, but "6/10" lynch is pretty strong against that, although maybe tumble doesn't think the QT vote will go through so he doesn't have to push it? Jealsus/QT-pie: there are 3 options: 1) both town, 2) town and maf 3) both maf. I think that 3) is pretty unlikely, seems like such a ballsy play to carry out those shenanigans. I think that 2) is more likely than 1). Jealsus/tumble: I think it's fairly well summarized from the post above: "ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills". Also: "Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment" So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel. | ||
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On June 05 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote: Ok I piddled around too long and am not going to be able to elaborate as much as I wanted to about my scum reads, but here is the short and sweet version. QT - There is just too many inconsistencies in his play for me to overlook. He pushed Super early for "trying to look town" + Show Spoiler + which is a terrible reason to scumread anyone, especially when that doesn't reall describe Super's play at all imo not openly giving my reads Sorry no time for examples Emperorchampion - I liked his open, but the rest of his posts fall flat and he quickly dropped the attitude he started with. The way he spent a lot of effort filterdiving QT + Show Spoiler + filters so early in the game? Thats it for now, I may get a chance to post later tonight, but likely won't be around till tomorrow. ##Vote: QuickTwist Filter diving, I like the term To be honest, with regards to filter diving, I'm just not really sure the best way to play the game, so I'm trying things to see what works out. | ||
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Merci! Anyhow, I'm out for a bit, we'll see how things shake out in a bit. | ||
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On June 05 2016 03:00 beentheredonethat wrote: Okay. My purpose in this question was basically to be able to compare a read you've given by voting to a read that cannot be really existing. Your stance on Tictock makes sense. Still fine with a MoosyDoosy or a policy lynch. I caught some threads here where MoosyDoosy is playing a similar style as he does now. However, if QT is a detriment to town, why isn't moosy? In your eyes, he should be, right? That's quite the inconsistency. Props, I was thinking the same thing wrt Jealous' logic for lynching QT. | ||
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On June 04 2016 10:54 Tumblewood wrote: finding scum is just one of the three pillars of being townie 1) find scum 2) establish your towniness 3) form a town circle with other townies Also I just remembered this post from earlier, which I happen to really like. Just curious, is this the order of importance you would rank them? | ||
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On June 05 2016 06:33 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm tired of phone reading with my girlfriend here so I'll just post what i have so far Super probably didn't roll scum for the 10th time. Jealous is making posts i don't really want read but is being towny Quicktwist is being trolly but having moments of clarity so i can't be too upset with him I think skynx is scummy because he is hardly commenting on anything relevant when he posts while also not chatting it up or anything. Posting for the sake of posting I'm only on page 27 so grains of salt all around I'm going for slurpees anyone want anything? One of the few things I miss about Western Canada, can't find a decent slurpee in Montreal  | ||
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Am I crazy for thinking that Tumble / QT are a mafia pair given the last two pages? | ||
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Fecalfeast / scott not really sure. Seems like a mafia move to push an afk tho, so I don't know what it accomplishes. I think my vote has to go into tumble / QT / Jealous to figure this out. | ||
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On June 05 2016 12:43 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: ah what... sqrt has been replaced hmm. that alone points scummy because it indicates he doesn't want to f over his scumteam. Could also mean he is blue though? | ||
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kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me. | ||
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On June 06 2016 08:00 QuickTwist wrote: Ticktock has ensured my lynch. Pay attention to this. His vote on Obv Town is stalling content near EOD. thoughts on this? Personally, I think it's an OMGUS reaction. | ||
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On June 06 2016 09:40 Fecalfeast wrote: It's usually best not to worry about modkills or other mod actions. If it happens, it happens. Fair enough! | ||
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- Tumble - Moosy - fecal - ticktock Null - btdt - scott - blkcoffee Cesar's Army - kush - super - skynx My feelings at the moment, will post more when at office. | ||
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Huh? You're in the middle :D | ||
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Looking back on it, think how bat shit crazy it would be to start a 10 page argument then post a 10000 word essay on everything. | ||
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On June 06 2016 23:24 Superbia wrote: Like if I flip tonight you guys need to question emperor on his scumread on me thoroughly wew lad | ||
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On June 07 2016 14:11 Superbia wrote: Expected kill Explain please? | ||
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On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote: I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town. kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me. | ||
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On June 06 2016 22:45 emperorchampion wrote: That's pretty crazy actually, I had a read on jealous since the QT-pie incident started. But do you reeaaallly think he could be maf? If so that's some game winning stuff right there for sure. Looking back on it, think how bat shit crazy it would be to start a 10 page argument then post a 10000 word essay on everything. | ||
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crazy to see you flip this way!I think super's filter is "empty" as well (obv not in terms of pages), I think he's pretty sketchy. Given who I think is town, it's left down to him as mafia. One issue is that there are a number of wildcards, aka blkcoffee and scott who I have no idea what they could be due to the fact that they haven't really posted anything. So for now super fill this slot. Skynx I would have to look more thoroughly through his filter for specific examples, but I never got the sense that his posts were genuine. | ||
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I feel like I've learned a lot from you and super | ||
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-super, skynx, kush --> out unless crazy bus on kush -TT, Fecal, scott --> shenanananaigan duo + scott + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2016 07:17 scott31337 wrote: Hmmmmmm Or is that scums plan? wifomwifomwifom On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote: Allright, I got some time to look over things - 1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses - 2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. 5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter 6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean 2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling - 4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy. 5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now 6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF 7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind I think I have too many "townies" - I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read. I think these almost fit tooo well. It seems like he has spent a lot of time reading all filters, but has barely posted? Plus I find his scum read on TT pretty weak. - Moosy, kush, jealous + Show Spoiler + I think that moosy is likely town. However, reassessing as scumteam makes these posts very interesting (in no particular order): + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip? On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: I absolutely did not take every opportunity. Did you read the game? Mayhaps you'd like to take a look through my filter.What I did say is that both QT and Jealous were acting like idiots but out of the two, QT would have to be the Mafia. Looking at Jealous's behavior and his newbie slip at the start of D2, it looks like it's safe to assume he's town and put away the Jealous/kush tinfoil team. Just because I have a read on someone now doesn't mean I had it on them the whole game. Now would you care to actually read the game? On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yes, Jealous can be scum in multiple tinfoil situations and you can be unproductive by squabbling about it. Or you can actually focus on finding real scum than thinking of tinfoil situations. On June 08 2016 00:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: And no, your filter doesn't really show any sign of reading Jealous as scum. Instead, it seems more like you tacitly accept him as town than scum. So again. Why the sudden flip? - I think that kush kind of fits in here, but he could be replaceable by most i think. aaaaaaand I have to actually do some work for now... | ||
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On June 08 2016 03:12 Fecalfeast wrote: We came up with it in the scum QT to freak you out Damn I want this to be true! | ||
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On June 08 2016 03:19 Tictock wrote: Right now I'm still tempted to vote for Skynx but his list post wasn't terrible. Of the people voting QT I thought Skynx, Emp, and to a lesser extent Moosy were the weakest votes on him. Skynx stood out to me because he initially read QT as town but then got pressured a little for that read and ended up swapping his read and made that case on QT. Case felt somewhat contrived (especially when it wasn't his initial thinking on QT and idk why you case someone like that when other people were clearly of similar opinions). BtDt has made a couple of big posts but he focused pretty hard on Moosy without trying to convince anyone of his read or anything and I think he's on Scott now too which just seems like picking out easy/low impact targets to me. Emp and Kush both have some townie posts but the focus feels a little off. With Kush I get this sense of his town game but much more reserved. Like he's saying what he thinks, but not doing so in a way that pushes the game forward. I think a lot of the past 24h has been trying to figure out super for me | ||
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this earlier?? Would have saved me a lot of time | ||
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On June 08 2016 08:27 Jealous wrote: That's kind of my point in him townreading QT when they know he is town, but wouldn't it make sense for him to throw doubts on my participation in QT's lynching to get me lynched as a reactive measure in Day 2 even though I am town? I don't see why scum wouldn't enact that plot, or at least have one of them do so. At the time of my compiling the data on page 55 if I recall correctly, I was one of the most scumread players in the game. Even though Skynx seems to be up for lynching based on the posts of Night/Day 2, I can't help but feel that I was also cast in a bad light and this would be advantageous to scum. Can you clarify what you mean here, I'm just not sure what part is advantageous to scum? Also how does that relate to Skynx? | ||
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On June 08 2016 11:36 Jealous wrote: The advantage to town would be that the town lynches 2 townies (QT and myself). This has nothing to do with Skynx. OK I see what you're saying, my tired brain wasn't reading things correctly last night >.< | ||
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On June 08 2016 11:41 Tictock wrote: I'd actually like to know why BtDt gave FF a townread for shenanigans onto him... and why I did the same thing but was just a null read + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2016 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote: Given that Fecalfeast tried to initiate shenanigans makes me townread him. Since QT flipped town, there was absolutely no need for scum to try shenanigans. There were no other wagon on its way, so the mislynch must have been safe. It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT. As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to: Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely. I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high. My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock. I still want to keep my vote on Kush though kus he doesn't seem like he cares and I remember town Kush giving a shit. Yeah btdt really needs to show up and answer these questions | ||
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At this point I would be willing to vote for scott/btdt/kush for begin afk, and particularly scott and kush since I'm giving them a scum lean. | ||
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On June 08 2016 23:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Zzzzzzzzz why am i awakenso early lately Watch Na'Vi v Alliance game 3?? | ||
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On June 09 2016 01:26 Skynx wrote: Moosy's vote is a good example for this btw. Wait, for being scummy or not scummy? | ||
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On June 09 2016 02:12 scott31337 wrote: Nothing really sticks out in the last couple of pages. I don't see a lot of defending kush which makes me worried, like fecal said yesterday. Super do you have any questions for me? Who would you like to lynch? Can you explain how you got your read on TicTock? | ||
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On June 09 2016 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: we're definitely not killing scott today. vote somewhere else emperor Why not scott, he seems pretty scummy, no? | ||
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All he's posted are some reads with no back up lol, like what is the point? | ||
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On June 09 2016 04:49 MoosyDoosy wrote: Who do you think is more scummy. Skynx or kush? I will answer this after you tell me why you don't think scott is scum. | ||
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On June 09 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote: To further elaborate, there is no way I'm wasting my vote on a coin-flip today. How do you rate from most coin-flippy to least coin-flippy?? | ||
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On June 09 2016 05:00 Fecalfeast wrote: yup I'm going through emperor's filter. He flips on QT as it gets closer to him being killed, he says he's not sdure about me then calls me half life 3 confirmed town. also: This made me check and it seems he was really hedging his bets and skirting around making any hard calls at all about QT. has QT in a possible scum pair keeps QT in his lynch circle even though he was leaning more toward jealous as scum out of QT/jealous QT/tumble mafia pair mentioned This, among other posts also suggests that emperor should have been pushing jealous a lot more today rather than just being complacent with the thread direction. so my questions for emperor: What do you read Jealous as? Who do you want to kill and why? Why was it so hard for you to make a solid read on QT while talking about him so often? 1) I think it's highly unlikely that Jealous is maf. This is based off of N1/D2. So townlean. 2) Kill today: #1 kush #2 scott. My vote lies with scott for now since I am hoping he will come and answer some questions that I have 3) Because he posted so much bullshit | ||
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On June 09 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote: Ok, wasn't sure how I wanted to do this... I'm gunna try and just keep it simple. I've prepared a few questions for everyone, they might be a little strange but if you could humor me. This is for science. 1) Emperorchampion - How difficult is this game for you? Is it easier or harder than you expected? Is there anybody who has a style of play that you admire or enjoy? 2) Skynx - Assume you got Vig shot right this moment (eliminated from the game)... What is the first thing you would do? Both Kush and me flip scum, how might you start looking for the last scum? 4) Scott31337 - What do you like to do to develop reads? What is your opinion of the current atmosphere of the game? Disregarding low activity, who is your weakest read? 5) blkcoffee - 6) Jealous - How is the return to TL Mafia going? You suggested that you enjoy having a role with some power, have you ever played in a game where everyone has some role/ability? If not, does it sound appealing? 1) beentheredonethat - How do you feel about your play so far this game compared to past games? How confident do you feel in your reads right now? 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - Scale of 1-5 how much fun are you having in this game? Does it compare to any recent games? Assume you are able to make some very game influential move before you die, would you prefer to clinch the game near LyLo or secure an early lead? 4) nnn_thekushmountians - What has gone right this game? What has gone wrong? How should we learn from our mistakes rather than make them again? 5) Superbia - Where do you get your drive from? What gets you motivated? What needs cultivating right now? 6) FecalFeast - What do you cling to? What right now is most disturbing or upsetting to you? Is it important to keep our first impressions or should we always be letting the waves of information influence us? This took a surprisingly long time... Was hoping to have it finished last night, but I was too tired after GSL. Easy for me, Moosy and super for showing me this game can be fun instead of stressful lol (although that was day 1 moosy ). I mean, it seems pretty difficult right now haha | ||
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On June 09 2016 05:47 Tictock wrote: Wow 2 people answered my questions already. Thanks guys! Having caught up... I think the lack of defense and more importantly the lack of anything from Kush means I'm ok with him being the lynch. I know he posted that he was gunna be low effort in pre-game, but this is like no-effort. I'm kinda feeling like Emp and Skynx are bad lynches today kus they are actually contributing at a fairly consistant level. Still unsure about Skynx though with this recent "lets kill big targets and not scott!" "Big targets are people like scott, BtDt..." I'm liking Jealous less, partially just for contributing a lot less today. Mostly because he made a big deal about our Shennanies D1 and today has basically refused to discuss reads. The 180 there doesn't track very well for me because he's going against what was apparently his idea of how the game should be played. 3 I think! How did you come up with the questions? Are you a camp counselor Seems like a good idea for a newbie game!I think Jealous has a huge dump (heh) waiting for us | ||
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On June 09 2016 06:05 scott31337 wrote: I mostly do by asking questions and looking for the finer points, or agendas. It's also why I can get a little omgus at times, especially that I'm town. To answer emporers question - tictock reminds me a bit of the game we played together and he was scum, holy guardians. It's really hard to judge him on certain content, he can post and post, his votes are usually more deciding, in my opinion. We're not lynching him today though. He will start to shine or die I also go on gut feels, epically when I obs games, and that says kush is town and I don't want to vote for him. I haven't seen a real case or anything, just more of "kush scummy". You know? And if there is one, please point it out, because I didn't see it. Thanks for answering. So you are saying that he is more influential when he is town? | ||
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I'm not overly surprised that Jealous and Moosy are voting together lol | ||
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I just realized that kush was the first to post On June 06 2016 11:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: oh god this is so townie unfortunately. Which was sheeped by pretty much everyone with basically no explanation. Scum reads all heavily favoured towns (well aparently I don't fall into that category LOL) On June 06 2016 12:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Shitlist Ec Tt Tw Ff This is fairly towny I suppose, but maybe pushing his own logic On June 08 2016 08:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: You are thinking about this wrong. Scum dont enact some plot. They just try to come up with stuff to say that looks as townie as possible. Most of the time they try to not lynch their scumteam. Often scum will townread someone who is up for lynch, because they know that person is town, and their objective to look as townie as possible is compelling them to point that out. Otherwise I don't find much in his filter. I think these are the posts with the most content, and I don't really see what he's pushing for here. A lot of blank reads with no justification. | ||
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On June 09 2016 06:56 Tictock wrote: Emp what do you make of the wagon that has formed on you? to answer this, feels bad man | ||
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I guess it's about that hour eh | ||
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On June 09 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote: When did you first scum read me Jealous? As far as I can tell a few hours ago, what purpose does it serve town to hold that information over a day? | ||
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On June 09 2016 08:00 Jealous wrote: This was the idea - "shenannis" or whatever seem to be popular. I would make the vote a closer contest, potentially drawing more votes to EC. Depending on the flop, these votes would be suspect. I wait until the last second to switch to kush, effectively giving my vote double the strength in this scenario. This is some next level shit I can't handle... I feel like I'm getting so played right now. Fuck I really need to head home now, good god | ||
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On June 09 2016 09:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also note that this is the same line of reasoning as to why Fecalfeast is likely town. He was the only person to suggest shenannies from the QuickTwist lynch at EoD. If Fecal was Mafia, he would only be pushing off of town which is not what Mafia wants. It's possible Fecal attempted to push off of QuickTwist expecting people not to switch and to look townie off of it but the possibility of that is low enough that we can assume Fecal is town for now and look at other people. Not to mention this does look like his town meta although that’s a less reliable metric. Didn't fecal want to shenanie btdt who you read as town? I'm confused how you read fecal as town from this exchange? If the shenanie goes through and btdt flips town then you read fecal as mafia (very obviously). Just seems like wifom, and the most you can draw from it is null. | ||
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On June 09 2016 09:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: So as it stands, I want to look between emperor/Skynx again because I do think it’s likely there’s a Mafia between the two of them or I’m wrong and town would just unbelievably screwed at that point. Or if you are | ||
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[QUOTE]On June 09 2016 10:23 emperorchampion wrote: [QUOTE]On June 09 2016 09:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also note that this is the same line of reasoning as to why Fecalfeast is likely town. He was the only person to suggest shenannies from the QuickTwist lynch at EoD. If Fecal was Mafia, he would only be pushing off of town which is not what Mafia wants. It's possible Fecal attempted to push off of QuickTwist expecting people not to switch and to look townie off of it but the possibility of that is low enough that we can assume Fecal is town for now and look at other people. Not to mention this does look like his town meta although that’s a less reliable metric.[/QUOTE] Didn't fecal want to shenanie btdt who you read as town? I'm confused how you read fecal as town from this exchange? If the shenanie goes through and btdt flips town then you read fecal as mafia (very obviously). Just seems like wifom, and the most you can draw from it is null.[/QUOTE] But there was no need for him to do anything. He could have just avoided attention and let the lynch through. The fact that he said something about it and drew attention to himself makes him more likely to be town. Considering the odds of him being town to scum, I'd say it's more productive to say he's town for now and look for scum elsewhere. Going down tinfoil paths isn't really helpful. [QUOTE]On June 09 2016 10:27 emperorchampion wrote: [QUOTE]On June 09 2016 09:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: So as it stands, I want to look between emperor/Skynx again because I do think it’s likely there’s a Mafia between the two of them or I’m wrong and town would just unbelievably screwed at that point.[/QUOTE] Or if you are [/QUOTE]Of course. I already hard claimed Mafia. Godfather to be exact. I'm still confused why I'm not lynched by you guys yet. Ooh nice, I had you pinned as Goon :o | ||
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On June 09 2016 20:11 Jealous wrote: What if multiple people claim the same role? Would posting first be given any weight, given the disparity of people's sleep schedules? I just don't see how this works out in town's favor or how it would be manageable. I think we just hold on for a little bit until everyone has posted, I think if two people claim it's good for town. | ||
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Now i just need to cook up a huge post to get everyone off my back... | ||
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On June 10 2016 04:16 emperorchampion wrote: If we are going to do this blue claim thing can we clarify how the role setup works, how I understand is that there are 2 blues: 1 is doctor/vet and 1 is cop/vig? | ||
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RIP guys+ Show Spoiler + the flavour text is really great btw | ||
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Tictock seems to be making a lot of sense right now. Moosy's claim seems pretty genuine, but I don't want to give too much benefit to the first claim. | ||
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On June 10 2016 09:09 MoosyDoosy wrote: There's no way I'm living this night. Lynch beentheredonethat tonight obv and Skynx would be good for next day. Might have to look into it to make a case to convince you guys but I'm pretty sure he's Maf. Also you're not in the clear because godfather is a role so keep that in mind. Assuming that I understand the role distribution correctly, they have 1 gf or framer | ||
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Yeah I'm pretty sure that Super's math checks out. I mean, there are pretty much two options 1) btdt is red 2) Moosy is fake claim As TT pointed out last night I think we should explore option 2, instead of just piling on this train here. That said, 2) feels almost toooo devious to be true, but idk | ||
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But yeah, if Jealous and Moosy are legit then maf has a Framer. Oh my god, if Jealous is actually godfather I would cry (mostly out of awe). Sorry I can't really contribute much at the moment, had a pretty long day and don't really feel like thinking anymore. | ||
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On June 11 2016 18:20 Superbia wrote: Jesus christ read my posts people. There is always 1 vigi OR cop (never 1 cop AND 1 vigi or 2 cops or w/e). There is always 1 doc OR vet (never 1 doc AND 1 vet or 2 docs or w/e). Yes, but the assumption of vig is based on framer, which is only claimed by btdt. However, given that there haven't been any counter claims on doc or vet, it seems likely that there is actually a framer, and a therefore that Jealous is indeed the vet. Anyhooo, it's pretty clear that btdt is mafia. My earlier suspicion for scott is slightly cleared by moosy's innocence, but I'm not sure if I'm fully satisfied with the only basis for his read on TT being that it's similar to a previous game. My feelings for Skynx remain similar as before, I just don't get a genuine feeling for him. It's sad that last day came down to me vs kush, and skynx was completely forgotten. Soo yeah, I'll probably be around a bit today if there's anything else. Rest of day + night will just be reading through filters I imagine. | ||
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On June 12 2016 02:21 MoosyDoosy wrote: which would be a pretty good play and I wouldn't mind losing to. I have a feeling that you would be the one winning in this scenario | ||
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So what about vig, think vig should hold shot, or maybe shoot moosy? idk tho seems risky | ||
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On June 13 2016 02:19 Jealous wrote: Another thought hit me - if BTDT wasn't framing himself, who is a likely candidate to be framed based on D2/N2? I mean this is entirely speculation, but based on this post: On June 06 2016 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote: Given that Fecalfeast tried to initiate shenanigans makes me townread him. Since QT flipped town, there was absolutely no need for scum to try shenanigans. There were no other wagon on its way, so the mislynch must have been safe. It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT. As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to: Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely. I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high. My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock. It looks like possibly Moosy or scott could have been framed N2 if he was trying to set up some push on them. | ||
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On June 13 2016 05:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: that's actually a really nice pickup. I would be the ideal target for a framer since I was so trolly and a cop would want to check me. Unfortunately, I happened to be the cop in this situation. Yeah haha | ||
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Here's my scum power ranking: -Skynx -Scott -Tictock Half-Life 3 Confirmed List: -Jealsus -Super | ||
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On June 12 2016 07:49 Superbia wrote: Pretty awesome! We did apocalypse world and I got to violate some people with my violation glove and mind control command them. Nice nice. I find it's hard to keep games of d&d going, since I don't want to exclude friends, and playing with 6-7 people is not really feasible :/ Anyways, it's always monk all the way! | ||
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On June 09 2016 07:47 Tictock wrote: Yea, QT getting lynched i feel kinda bad for kus I had the sense that the lynch was bad and didn't do much about it till too late. Kush is a good enough player that he should be making some effort here. I wont feel bad if he flips town. I think this is the post that I've found that gives me the most pause since it seems like you are hedging your bets in a way "if he is scum I was right, if he isn't scum it's because he was a bad player". Otherwise I like a few things, especially these two: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2016 19:16 Tictock wrote: Honestly this sounds like me when I got tracked as scum delivering KP, didn't want to outright call the person who tracked me scum and tried to invent a world where everyone was town. Your reads check out I guess. You TR Tumble and put some faith in his posts, but the TR on Jealous feels less fleshed out. Tbh though there isn't much to go on. Eh the world you propose is hard to believe because for you to be town mafia not only must have a framer (which is apparently impossible, if I understood the setup) but also a Roleblocker, and both targeted you. Moosy's claim is much smoother and tracks really well given his posts, which means for him to be fake claiming he planned it out from the start of D2. So yea, I'm believing Moosy all the way here. On June 08 2016 11:41 Tictock wrote: I'd actually like to know why BtDt gave FF a townread for shenanigans onto him... and why I did the same thing but was just a null read + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2016 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote: Given that Fecalfeast tried to initiate shenanigans makes me townread him. Since QT flipped town, there was absolutely no need for scum to try shenanigans. There were no other wagon on its way, so the mislynch must have been safe. It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT. As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to: Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely. I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high. My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock. I still want to keep my vote on Kush though kus he doesn't seem like he cares and I remember town Kush giving a shit. I think that individually, Skynx and Scott are they scummiest. I need to read through their filters tonight/tomorrow and decide if it works together as a team though. | ||
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On June 14 2016 00:03 Skynx wrote: You voted same person each day as well. I wrote the QT case, Moosy was a troll vote and you were in the original argument and counter-voted him. I started kush train as well along with Super. That being said I'm conservative with my votes and I'm not a fan of changing them since a sudden change of opinion would draw more suspicion on me when already half of you guys are sr'ing me from n1. I called TT bandwagonning D2 altho I tr him along with pretty much everyone save Moosy. I don't see how this is all relevant tho. Bolded feels like scum mindset | ||
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On June 14 2016 06:41 Jealous wrote: Like scott what would you do if I voted for you instead? Vote for me probably :'( | ||
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On June 13 2016 16:20 scott31337 wrote: I know nk's are wifom, but from so many game I have obs'ed as well - dead mafia are usually on the right track as well and speak no cases. This I'm a little confused about, I think btdt wanted to lynch you no? | ||
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On June 14 2016 07:46 scott31337 wrote: I wrote mafia in that wifom post and not town - oopsie - that may have been what the confusion was for. Ah OK, this makes a lot more sense lol | ||
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On June 14 2016 07:28 scott31337 wrote: But you are confirmed town newb And it's 4-2 MYLO, only one townie can refrain from the pack or else we lose, so I also like to consolidate. I'm okay with Skynx or EC right now - I like Tictock's d1 so I think he's town and every one else i think is town as well. If I could convince you to go on Skynx I'd be okay with that, but I want to consolidate for now. Now, if you think one or the other could be the RB, I'd love to get him first, because then mafia won't waste two nights to get rid of you. No, this was about Fecalfeast and I thought it was a pretty weird kill - so I re-read his filter and reposted the parts I thought were interesting in his filter (although there wasn't much) Yes, I disagree - if were lynching a town, it doesn't make much sense for mafia to want to sheannie, they would rather get the mislynch. The context behind this as well is that Moosy is town reading btdt, then town reading TT and fecal for vote switching to btdt. Of course, now that we have more information it can be read as a town move, but at the time I don't think you can draw anything from it. | ||
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On June 15 2016 02:37 Jealous wrote: TT is on EC, Scott is on EC, I'm on EC. I think if you vote EC, the only way we lose is if TT/Scott is the team, which I find to be unlikely. This was all due to N1. You said "kill EC if I die during the night", which is either bad town or mafia. Then when tumble did the same to you, you said "now maf will push me if you die during the night", trying to shut down anything ahead of time (I presume). I wifom'd over this for a day basically, and came to the conclusion that it doesn't make sense as mafia to push someone during the night, then call someone else out for doing the exact same thing while putting yourself in the line of fire. This was what I needed to deal with, because otherwise I think throughout the game we have had a very similar view on on things. And now, I can't imagine a world where Super is mafia due to day 3, so I feel that my read has been pretty justified. | ||
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On June 14 2016 16:17 Jealous wrote: Ok so I did some digging, and here are my thoughts on the four current candidates: + Show Spoiler [Skynx] + I went into this expecting his posts to be more scummy than they were. There were maybe 3 or 4 suspect posts, but these two: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote: So Scott replaced sqrt and there was that whole receiving role jazz. He was pretty happy on D1/D2 just sitting back enjoying town kill eachother as his filter didn't even fill a single page. He is experienced so I would expect him to at least chat a bit to get some town credit. This makes him unreadable and safe while he avoids any contributions to town. Mind you he was tied at 3 votes to QT for a long while. So he posts this list as a summary of his thoughts: So this is a shady read which can go both ways. Thinks I'm suspicious from my last post but likes my stlye? lol the irony This imo is a giveaway. While he's right about btdt's style his only mention of btdt returns at Moosy's claim. TT & FF tried shennanies on him, kush sr'd him and Scott was absent from the discussion. He doesn't really pushes his questions either: Not entirely scummy but still: Anyway, his sudden activity peak after a scum flip makes me wonder if it's just to take the heat off himself. He's also ready to jump on btdt without hesitation because he knows the real deal and it's inevitable at this point + it will give him town credit. So he shuts down any other argument: I'm not even 1 bit worried hihi + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2016 04:16 Skynx wrote: I agree with this, how is claiming blue beneficial to town? Let's say actual cop claims and 1 scum claims cop as well now mafia has a nk target. If that person was lying then the actual cop now has to suspect of another person which is actually town lol Also vet should never claim he doesn't get anything out of it other than having RB'd ez pz. They give me mixed feelings. The first one is clearly a defensive counter-attack against scott, which actually makes sense. The end refers to one of the posts I read as more suspect at the time, "Please please someone claim cop." At first I didn't understand why he wanted to seed more confusion into the situation, but I think I've figured out its true meaning: if someone claimed cop in order to CC Moosy, they would be just as dead as BtDt after BtDt flipped red. With this in mind, I don't think this post actually scared anyone into not claiming, and if Skynx was scum, he could have said something privately to the team in order to achieve the same goal without the potentially suspicious ploy. I would rate his contributions to the discussion and exploration of leads to be on the lower side, but that is partially hampered by the fact that he hasn't been as consistently active as some and that his reads on the first two days were wrong. I had the same reads, so I have a hard time holding that against someone, but it still needs to be noted. + Show Spoiler [scott31337] + On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote: Allright, I got some time to look over things - 1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses - 2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. 5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter 6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean 2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling - 4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy. 5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now 6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF 7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind I think I have too many "townies" - I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read. Although he read a scumteam at the end, I think that he did try to scratch nearly everyone's back by claiming nearly everyone town. However, he does bring that up in his post as well. Is that so that it would seem less suspicious, or is it honest acknowledgement of the fact that his reads are weak? WIFOM On June 09 2016 02:12 scott31337 wrote: Nothing really sticks out in the last couple of pages. I don't see a lot of defending kush which makes me worried, like fecal said yesterday. Super do you have any questions for me? Who would you like to lynch? This seems kinda low-effort and this was posted after kush was lynched - why raise these worries now and not the day before, as he says fecal did? It seems like he is trying to give out town vibes with a post like this. Given my reasoning above @ Skynx, this seems almost like an overreaction, unless scott also misunderstood the post like I did first/didn't think it through. However, now I'm wondering why Skynx didn't post something trying to clarify it? Hm -_-; This isn't much of a counter-argument but he does produce a point - why is TT throwing Super on a scum team when Super's analysis is the one that proved Moosy as cop and BtDt as a fake CC? Will be added to in my analysis of TT. On June 11 2016 07:20 scott31337 wrote: Skynx would be at the top of my list. The third one I'm quite unsure of though - I'd have to re-read filters and VCA. Considering scott's previous post @Skynx, this seems to solidify to me that he either 1. really wants Skynx dead because scott is scum and sees a wagon forming, 2. completely misunderstood the implications of Skynx's post, or 3. I completely misunderstood Skynx's post and he never bothered to properly explain it anyway. This is a pretty tricky situation and I'd like some feedback on this from others, especially Scott/Skynx. 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Jealous, Tictock, Skynx, emperorchampion Superbia(0): MoosyDoosy(1): beentheredonethat Not voting (0): I need to re-read Tictock's d1 and if he voted on btdt legitimately or was a throw-away vote (that the lynch was already secured) This post opened my eyes to something - Scott wagoned after me on EC on Day 2; I am 99% sure that this made it 4 votes to 4. Since kush flipped town, I think it is fair to say that scummy Scott wouldn't risk raising the votes on a scummy EC to the same count as kush's when there were still votes up in the air. So in terms of pairings for the remaining 2 scum, a Scott/EC pairing is relatively unlikely. Note 1. On June 13 2016 11:05 scott31337 wrote: Btdt/Skynx/EC? Ugh, might need to revise this pair read. Note 2. + Show Spoiler [Tictock] + On June 05 2016 00:55 Tictock wrote: Some townreads for now, then I'll be back after a shower to talk about scum reads. Super - Jumped right in and has been really focused on interacting with people to develop reads. I've also found our thoughts on a large number of things have been in line. Probably never lynching. Tumble - Dropping his thoughts when he feels like it, largely a meta read+ Show Spoiler + For you newbies, this means his playstyle is in line with what I've seen from him in previous games. Another hit and miss method of making reads Moosy - I'm not sure how to explain this read, but I'm decently solid on it for D1. blkcoffee - has the right combination of not really giving a fuck and getting excited about something There's a couple more town leans floating around but I'm gunna leave my town list at that for now. Spot-on reads. Maybe too spot-on? On June 05 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote: Ok I piddled around too long and am not going to be able to elaborate as much as I wanted to about my scum reads, but here is the short and sweet version. QT - There is just too many inconsistencies in his play for me to overlook. He pushed Super early for "trying to look town" + Show Spoiler + which is a terrible reason to scumread anyone, especially when that doesn't reall describe Super's play at all imo not openly giving my reads Sorry no time for examples Emperorchampion - I liked his open, but the rest of his posts fall flat and he quickly dropped the attitude he started with. The way he spent a lot of effort filterdiving QT + Show Spoiler + filters so early in the game? Thats it for now, I may get a chance to post later tonight, but likely won't be around till tomorrow. ##Vote: QuickTwist Targeting EC. Note 3. On June 06 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote: Humm the weekend start is keeping this game pretty dry I see. I might skim over the game again then since there isn't much new to read, and nothing in the past few pages has really swayed my opinion. I'm trying to decide how I feel about Scott's slot. Was sorta thinking the way the replacement happened could mean scott's is town, but thats pretty WIFOM and I'm mostly just grasping at straws. Sqrt's opening game posts just felt chatty and not really AI (alignment indicative) but show that he was around and ready to play the first hour of the game. Scott's posts leave a little to be desired... and I'm not sure why he seems so concerned I don't have Jealous as a hard town read. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2016 08:34 scott31337 wrote: hmmm no mention of Jealous here, and so far Jealous is my only townread hmmm Which sure I haven't given any thoughts on Jealous besides On June 04 2016 17:01 Tictock wrote: This is a terrible post to townread someone by, but I def want to keep you around now. I'm reserving my right to hold off giving a real read on him kus a few things have raised an eyebrow but I'm overall liking his posts. Honestly scott just seems like a coinflip atm and I'm not feeling inclined to lynch him. I'd like to know why people are keen to lynch him/his slot but nobody seems to be considering FF who arguably has done just as little. Defending scott, targeting FF. Note 4. On June 06 2016 03:22 Tictock wrote: Skynx was brought up and I had some misgivings regarding his opening (was going to include him in my post yesturday but ran out of time). I'm really not a fan of this opening because he's useing a one line rule to throw out very unfounded reads. There is also no indication that he is actually trying to apply the rule he's using here. "Town likes clarity" into "sounds towny" or "keeps things clean". I really have a hard time understanding why Super would have been the most scummy based on the criteria of contentless posts as well. This also bugged me Really odd dodgy answer after he very clearly gave QT a townread in his open (or at least a lean). I also find it pretty interesting how he refines his read of QT but his read on Super remains static. Since I'm finding QT fairly scummy myself I tend to agree with Skynx's little case on him, but I'm also aware that a fair few of his points were just parroting what had been mentioned already. I might be pretty fine with lynching Skynx today. Disclaimer: This post was written over a much longer period of time than it should have. There has been a random bit of roommate drama over that past hour so I've been a little distracted while trying to put my thoughts together. I'm gunna take a bit to resolve things then I'll do my little skim-over/catch-up and see how things feel as we are getting into EoD here. On June 06 2016 05:08 Tictock wrote: I kinda agree, the general flow of the game and how the votes are going seem to signal a very low key scum team that is probably not up for lynch atm. QT is also giving me vibes that he's not really to concerned with the pressure atm which isn't really in line with a try-hard scum playing the activity game. I'm wondering if he's a player more like Moosy who's play can be pretty questionable and is lynchbait. While he's kinda all over the place and I have a hard time tracking much line of thought he is being pretty consistent about putting stuff out there. Is your desire to lynch kush based on meta, or is it more policy due to him being pretty lackluster and only pushing a plynch himself? I think I might be more keen on lynching Skynx myself. Although he claims that this was written over a long time, I believe this is when the QT wagon was in full effect, so his targetting Skynx here might not be much of an indicator of anything, but I'll include it as Note 5. On June 07 2016 06:39 Tictock wrote: I might be ok with that if we lynch in this order Skynx Scott Someone Else Someone Else ... Super Though if you are really feeling like there is some similarity between his last scum game and this game then you are free to make that comparison for us. Note 6. On June 08 2016 03:19 Tictock wrote: Right now I'm still tempted to vote for Skynx but his list post wasn't terrible. Of the people voting QT I thought Skynx, Emp, and to a lesser extent Moosy were the weakest votes on him. Skynx stood out to me because he initially read QT as town but then got pressured a little for that read and ended up swapping his read and made that case on QT. Case felt somewhat contrived (especially when it wasn't his initial thinking on QT and idk why you case someone like that when other people were clearly of similar opinions). BtDt has made a couple of big posts but he focused pretty hard on Moosy without trying to convince anyone of his read or anything and I think he's on Scott now too which just seems like picking out easy/low impact targets to me. Emp and Kush both have some townie posts but the focus feels a little off. With Kush I get this sense of his town game but much more reserved. Like he's saying what he thinks, but not doing so in a way that pushes the game forward. Note 7. On June 08 2016 05:38 Tictock wrote: I'd kinda like to get back to you on this. But gut feeling? Super FF Scott and probably... Emp Blkcoffee Note 8. On June 09 2016 07:30 Tictock wrote: Scott first and formost since he keeps referencing my first scumgame to justify his fear read of me. Note 9. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/508622-newbie-mafia-xxi?page=87#1724 I just really like this post. + Show Spoiler [emperorchampion] + On June 06 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote: I think that Skynx could be scum, not really sure on the rest since I haven't looked too much into it due to not having too much time atm. Superbia / Tictock seem town. Fecalfeast / scott not really sure. Seems like a mafia move to push an afk tho, so I don't know what it accomplishes. I think my vote has to go into tumble / QT / Jealous to figure this out. Targets Skynx, note 11. On June 06 2016 20:58 emperorchampion wrote: Half-Life 3 confirmed tier (Release date: soon (tm)) - Tumble - Moosy - fecal - ticktock Null - btdt - scott - blkcoffee Cesar's Army - kush - super - skynx My feelings at the moment, will post more when at office. Target Skynx and 2 townies, not a good look, Note 12. On June 08 2016 03:06 emperorchampion wrote: Some thoughts on scum teams: -super, skynx, kush --> out unless crazy bus on kush -TT, Fecal, scott --> shenanananaigan duo + scott + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2016 07:17 scott31337 wrote: Hmmmmmm Or is that scums plan? wifomwifomwifom On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote: Allright, I got some time to look over things - 1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses - 2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. 5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter 6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean 2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling - 4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy. 5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now 6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF 7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind I think I have too many "townies" - I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read. I think these almost fit tooo well. It seems like he has spent a lot of time reading all filters, but has barely posted? Plus I find his scum read on TT pretty weak. - Moosy, kush, jealous + Show Spoiler + I think that moosy is likely town. However, reassessing as scumteam makes these posts very interesting (in no particular order): + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip? On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: I absolutely did not take every opportunity. Did you read the game? Mayhaps you'd like to take a look through my filter.What I did say is that both QT and Jealous were acting like idiots but out of the two, QT would have to be the Mafia. Looking at Jealous's behavior and his newbie slip at the start of D2, it looks like it's safe to assume he's town and put away the Jealous/kush tinfoil team. Just because I have a read on someone now doesn't mean I had it on them the whole game. Now would you care to actually read the game? On June 08 2016 00:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yes, Jealous can be scum in multiple tinfoil situations and you can be unproductive by squabbling about it. Or you can actually focus on finding real scum than thinking of tinfoil situations. On June 08 2016 00:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: And no, your filter doesn't really show any sign of reading Jealous as scum. Instead, it seems more like you tacitly accept him as town than scum. So again. Why the sudden flip? - I think that kush kind of fits in here, but he could be replaceable by most i think. aaaaaaand I have to actually do some work for now... Defends Skynx and targets Scott. Note 13. On June 09 2016 00:04 emperorchampion wrote: Also I would like scott to show up and give his reasoning on reading Tictock as scum, I found it very nebulous. So many afks :/ At this point I would be willing to vote for scott/btdt/kush for begin afk, and particularly scott and kush since I'm giving them a scum lean. Softly defends TT, targets Scott. Note 14. On June 09 2016 02:13 emperorchampion wrote: Can you explain how you got your read on TicTock? Note 15. On June 09 2016 04:09 emperorchampion wrote: Voting scott, want him to answer some questions! Note 16. On June 09 2016 04:49 emperorchampion wrote: Why not scott, he seems pretty scummy, no? Note 17. On June 09 2016 07:11 emperorchampion wrote: idk, I'm so suspicous of both scott and kush I just realized that kush was the first to post Which was sheeped by pretty much everyone with basically no explanation. Scum reads all heavily favoured towns (well aparently I don't fall into that category LOL) This is fairly towny I suppose, but maybe pushing his own logic Otherwise I don't find much in his filter. I think these are the posts with the most content, and I don't really see what he's pushing for here. A lot of blank reads with no justification. Note 18. On June 10 2016 09:12 emperorchampion wrote: I'm not sure if I'm ready to throw my caution to the wind atm. I honestly only trust super, and I have a feeling that jealous/moosy/scott could be maf. Tictock seems to be making a lot of sense right now. Moosy's claim seems pretty genuine, but I don't want to give too much benefit to the first claim. Note 19. On June 13 2016 08:20 emperorchampion wrote: Sooo it doesn't look like anyone else is here atm, I think I'm out after this for the night Here's my scum power ranking: -Skynx -Scott -Tictock Half-Life 3 Confirmed List: -Jealsus -Super Note 20. So, going through these made me think of the situation this way: scum pairings. I didn't quote some of Skynx's posts that would apply to this list because I only had the thought while reading scott but they are in his filter. Let's look at the possibilities, if we take defense/scumread at face value. The note numbers are largely in sequential order with how I found them if you read the above spoilers from top to bottom Scott / EC = Not likely as per Note 1 under my Scott analysis, although later he does suggest him in Note 2. EC does target Scott to some degree in Note 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, Scott / Skynx = Not likely because Scott has been scumreading Skynx into the lategame. Scott / TT = Possible, has been defending him. Note 4 vice-versa. However, TT turns it around in Note 6, Note 8, Note 9. Scott right now has his vote to TT in a relatively high-stakes situation so I don't think it's likely he would take that risk, but he could shennanie. EC / Skynx = Possible, Skynx posted a fair amount of stuff townreading EC in the early stages of the game. However, EC targets Skynx in Note 11, 12. Then defends him again in Note 13? However, goes back to putting him at top of the list in Note 20. EC / TT = Note 3; TT against EC. Note 7. Note 8. Note 10. EC softly defends TT in Note 14, 15. Again in 19. TT / Skynx = I find this one highly unlikely because Skynx spent a lot of posts questioning TT and questioning other people's reads of TT as town. Skynx also defends BtDT as "not a big target," even does it as a separate post after-thought. Note 5 had TT scumreading Skynx. Note 6. I need to see this post in post form before I can form further analysis. I'm a little confused why you're saying that I defended skynx in your note 13 post. I just stated that that scum team was unlikely since two of the members were voting for the other one lol I am in "possible" group with Skynx, but Scott who basically null read him until D3 ("he has some towny stuff, but some not towny stuff, so not a big fan atm") is not likely. | ||
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On June 14 2016 15:23 Superbia wrote: EC we have two lynches. If you could decide both of them, what would they be? And why? Why is the third person town? 1) Scott 2) Skynx Scott: got through the first 2 days based off of "I dunno who to vote I haven't gotten a role yet, I guess the person ahead of me". His one contribution was a list of reads which were based off of... well I'm not really sure. Especially odd I found was his read on TT, which was just "reminded me of another game I played". Day 3 is a wash. Now coming to day 4 he's pushing me (which is an obvious target given D2 lol), and has nothing to say about TT despite scum reading him all game (I guess for no reason after all). Hitches his vote with Jealous (who has voted incorrectly all game (not saying that I haven't), but that doesn't make any sense to me to vote with him for that reason alone). I dunno, it's like he doesn't even care if it's right or wrong. Skynx: I've felt is mafia since the beginning of the game. Maybe he can just use noob as an excuse, but he was doing everything "by the guide", which doesn't make any sense to me at all. Its another one of those "oh if I'm wrong this is why", and not taking credit for things. Scum reads me for shitposting, but also shitposts. Of course both will go for me, since I am the easy target given D2 voting. TT is town because of a number of town posts. Also I believe that we have had a similar view on the game at many points during the game. But anyways, guess I'm gettin' wagon'd again boys | ||
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On June 05 2016 08:34 scott31337 wrote: hmmm no mention of Jealous here, and so far Jealous is my only townread hmmm I would really wonder what scott's reason for town reading Jealous and scum reading QT day 1 was. Something that I hadn't seen before. I think they were pretty much posting the same stuff, so it's strange that he picked one side so decisively. Maybe it was to back up this post: On June 05 2016 08:23 scott31337 wrote: I read QuickTwist's filter since he's the one I'm tied in votes for, and it's 6 pages of one-liners and a couple of magic early townreads and a "Maybe scum" on Tictock. It's pretty bad - wouldn't mind voting for him | ||
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On June 15 2016 07:56 Skynx wrote: Man you never win; if u town this is gg right now. If u scum the team is on its last leg. Well, i'm convinced now. lol this was in response to super | ||
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1) not framing btdt. I think this is a good take away from this game for the future 2) mix up with the fake-claim D3 But apart from that, i think I personally made a lot of poor posts in D2/D3 On June 17 2016 21:56 Jealous wrote: From the mafia QT, quoting Skynx after D1: "Moosy, super n jealous are nonfactors." I have great respect for Moosy and Super for crafting this image when in the end they proved to be two of the most pivotal town players. No shame on you Skynx, D1/2 were mad confusing, it felt like the wild wild West. But to have these two players come out in force in D3 and be "non-factors" in D2 is just so pro. Honestly I stand by this, but I suppose that's part of playing a blue role, you just need to stay alive, especially as cop. Super has no excuse tho , but I suppose made up for it with the D3 math. | ||
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