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On June 09 2016 02:12 scott31337 wrote:
Nothing really sticks out in the last couple of pages.
I don't see a lot of defending kush which makes me worried, like fecal said yesterday.
Super do you have any questions for me? Who would you like to lynch?
Can you explain how you got your read on TicTock?
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Yeah I dunno it's getting weird around here. Where's super???
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Cool cool. Yeah doesn't seem to be much use hanging around for now, I'm assuming things will heat up around EoD
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Gladiator fight??? I bet Skynx would be the guy with the net and spear, I dunno about kush tho, probably just a regular sword fighter
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We can send them to see if that mighty suspicious mountain over there will spill burning hot lava and ash all over our wonderful city
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I haven't done an exact count, but I'm pretty sure there are a few people who haven't posted 3 times this day phase :/
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Yeah I think scott has 2 only also, so I guess only 2 people actually
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Voting scott, want him to answer some questions!
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How are these big targets? What about kush?
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On June 09 2016 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
we're definitely not killing scott today. vote somewhere else emperor
Why not scott, he seems pretty scummy, no?
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On June 09 2016 04:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 04:49 emperorchampion wrote:On June 09 2016 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
we're definitely not killing scott today. vote somewhere else emperor Why not scott, he seems pretty scummy, no? in what way?
All he's posted are some reads with no back up lol, like what is the point?
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On June 09 2016 04:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 04:48 emperorchampion wrote:
How are these big targets? What about kush? Who do you think is more scummy. Skynx or kush?
I will answer this after you tell me why you don't think scott is scum.
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On June 09 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:
To further elaborate, there is no way I'm wasting my vote on a coin-flip today.
How do you rate from most coin-flippy to least coin-flippy??
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On June 09 2016 05:00 Fecalfeast wrote:yup I'm going through emperor's filter. He flips on QT as it gets closer to him being killed, he says he's not sdure about me then calls me half life 3 confirmed town. also: Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:26 emperorchampion wrote:
Also I don't think I ever hard read QT as maf, just hypothosised that it was odd QT and Tumble were defending each other. This was the information I was interested in. I dunno you are trying to twist my words I feel This made me check and it seems he was really hedging his bets and skirting around making any hard calls at all about QT. Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 01:41 emperorchampion wrote:I took a look through Tumblewood's filter, since he seems like the only one posting anything of note aside from QT-pie and Jealsus (which is a cesspool I don't want to wade through). + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read. What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous. This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8R2mw6O.jpg) Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies. you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes". Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection. the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection. Here it looks like tumble is putting pressure on Jealous. This is based off of defense for QT, since he gave strong townread to QT earlier here: On June 04 2016 09:20 Tumblewood wrote:
shitty early d1 reads that I shouldn't be making
town: superbia, qt
town lean: emperor
null: moosy
scum lean: jealous
scum: [pending further posts] To which is commented: On June 04 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote:
if asked to defend any of my reads right now I will only respond by saying "feels" So now that we've framed the context of the first post, I think that there are two ways of interpreting it: 1) He is protecting QT-pie 2) He's calling a bad play a bad play From the previous context, I would think former, but reading the following posts I think the ladder: On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 10:29 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:02 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this. Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess. Do you think that town should try to look townie and eliminate themselves from the lynch pool. No. what but why it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In my mind, it seems that there is some sort of triangle between QT-pie, tumble and Jealsus. At first I was thinking that QT/tumble could be a pair, but "6/10" lynch is pretty strong against that, although maybe tumble doesn't think the QT vote will go through so he doesn't have to push it? Jealsus/QT-pie: there are 3 options: 1) both town, 2) town and maf 3) both maf. I think that 3) is pretty unlikely, seems like such a ballsy play to carry out those shenanigans. I think that 2) is more likely than 1). Jealsus/tumble: I think it's fairly well summarized from the post above: "ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills". Also: "Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment" So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel. has QT in a possible scum pair Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 00:37 emperorchampion wrote:On June 04 2016 23:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 04 2016 12:01 Tumblewood wrote:
going to take a break until I inevitably get bored and come back
playing this game is just not fun for me right now because the only two active players are on (what I see as) the wrong track and set in it. feels like I'm talking to a brick wall. Talk to me buddy. Does Quicktwist and Jealous feel like two townies caught in an argument against each other and refusing to back down due to pride or is one of them Mafia? For some reason I keep getting hints of the second even though it really looks like the first. QT v Jealous has obviously dominated the first few pages so far. I've been thinking similarly, but that there is a third option as well --- I'm not sure how likely that is though. Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote:
I think that Skynx could be scum, not really sure on the rest since I haven't looked too much into it due to not having too much time atm. Superbia / Tictock seem town.
Fecalfeast / scott not really sure. Seems like a mafia move to push an afk tho, so I don't know what it accomplishes. I think my vote has to go into tumble / QT / Jealous to figure this out. keeps QT in his lynch circle even though he was leaning more toward jealous as scum out of QT/jealous Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 02:53 emperorchampion wrote:
OK so I think I'm caught up.
Am I crazy for thinking that Tumble / QT are a mafia pair given the last two pages? QT/tumble mafia pair mentioned Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.
kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.
This, among other posts also suggests that emperor should have been pushing jealous a lot more today rather than just being complacent with the thread direction. so my questions for emperor: What do you read Jealous as? Who do you want to kill and why? Why was it so hard for you to make a solid read on QT while talking about him so often?
1) I think it's highly unlikely that Jealous is maf. This is based off of N1/D2. So townlean.
2) Kill today: #1 kush #2 scott. My vote lies with scott for now since I am hoping he will come and answer some questions that I have
3) Because he posted so much bullshit
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I had my theory I tested my theory. Turns out he was town. Same for you I suppose.
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On June 09 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:
Ok, wasn't sure how I wanted to do this... I'm gunna try and just keep it simple.
I've prepared a few questions for everyone, they might be a little strange but if you could humor me. This is for science.
1) Emperorchampion - How difficult is this game for you? Is it easier or harder than you expected? Is there anybody who has a style of play that you admire or enjoy?
2) Skynx - Assume you got Vig shot right this moment (eliminated from the game)... What is the first thing you would do? Both Kush and me flip scum, how might you start looking for the last scum?
4) Scott31337 - What do you like to do to develop reads? What is your opinion of the current atmosphere of the game? Disregarding low activity, who is your weakest read?
5) blkcoffee -
6) Jealous - How is the return to TL Mafia going? You suggested that you enjoy having a role with some power, have you ever played in a game where everyone has some role/ability? If not, does it sound appealing?
1) beentheredonethat - How do you feel about your play so far this game compared to past games? How confident do you feel in your reads right now?
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - Scale of 1-5 how much fun are you having in this game? Does it compare to any recent games? Assume you are able to make some very game influential move before you die, would you prefer to clinch the game near LyLo or secure an early lead?
4) nnn_thekushmountians - What has gone right this game? What has gone wrong? How should we learn from our mistakes rather than make them again?
5) Superbia - Where do you get your drive from? What gets you motivated? What needs cultivating right now?
6) FecalFeast - What do you cling to? What right now is most disturbing or upsetting to you? Is it important to keep our first impressions or should we always be letting the waves of information influence us?
This took a surprisingly long time... Was hoping to have it finished last night, but I was too tired after GSL.
Easy for me, Moosy and super for showing me this game can be fun instead of stressful lol (although that was day 1 moosy  ).
I mean, it seems pretty difficult right now haha
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On June 09 2016 05:47 Tictock wrote:
Wow 2 people answered my questions already.
Thanks guys!
Having caught up... I think the lack of defense and more importantly the lack of anything from Kush means I'm ok with him being the lynch. I know he posted that he was gunna be low effort in pre-game, but this is like no-effort.
I'm kinda feeling like Emp and Skynx are bad lynches today kus they are actually contributing at a fairly consistant level. Still unsure about Skynx though with this recent "lets kill big targets and not scott!" "Big targets are people like scott, BtDt..."
I'm liking Jealous less, partially just for contributing a lot less today. Mostly because he made a big deal about our Shennanies D1 and today has basically refused to discuss reads. The 180 there doesn't track very well for me because he's going against what was apparently his idea of how the game should be played.
3 I think!
How did you come up with the questions? Are you a camp counselor Seems like a good idea for a newbie game!
I think Jealous has a huge dump (heh) waiting for us
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On June 09 2016 06:05 scott31337 wrote:I mostly do by asking questions and looking for the finer points, or agendas. It's also why I can get a little omgus at times, especially that I'm town. To answer emporers question - tictock reminds me a bit of the game we played together and he was scum, holy guardians. It's really hard to judge him on certain content, he can post and post, his votes are usually more deciding, in my opinion. We're not lynching him today though. He will start to shine or die  I also go on gut feels, epically when I obs games, and that says kush is town and I don't want to vote for him. I haven't seen a real case or anything, just more of "kush scummy". You know? And if there is one, please point it out, because I didn't see it.
Thanks for answering. So you are saying that he is more influential when he is town?
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Whoa, I didn't notice jealous voted me too.
I'm not overly surprised that Jealous and Moosy are voting together lol
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