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On June 04 2016 15:30 Tictock wrote:
Pfft, I think I can stop reading @ pg 20 kus I already solved this.
Gunna go play a little more overwatch and see if anyone is around a bit later, but I prob picked a bad time to be active.
Not spoiling my reads till tomorrow.
Why not? You should share what you have so that people who come into the thread while you sleep have something to work off of and discuss, no?
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On June 04 2016 13:31 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:28 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:25 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:24 Tictock wrote:On June 04 2016 05:19 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
PREGAME READS
7)Ticktock - not sure what the difference between this guy and tumblewood is. both names start with t and both play low to moderate activity.
Wow, doesn't even have a real pre-game read on me... Has to reference Tumble just to have some content. Clearly mafia. ##Vote nnn_shwagmountains You're Joking. You have to be. Or seeding disinformation and confusion. Thanks for this. Town on Jealous.
"QuickTwist" is certainly fitting for at least your assessment of my alignment.
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On June 04 2016 15:42 QuickTwist wrote:K, what's the reason for the rule?
Probably because of analytic facility for a bot or something. Regardless, it's a rule so you should follow it or risk looking even more suspect because of the fact that you refuse to follow basic guidelines for play.
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On June 04 2016 16:02 Tictock wrote:
Oh hey, I didn't realize you were Russian Jealous.
Thats cool, got a fair bit of ancestry from Russia on my dad's side.
... also a bit of a rare breed on the mafia forums (fairly UK and US dominated)
Cheers!
On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time.
Even molehills seem like mountains when there is no reference point - in other words, no other leads to go by.
Glad you are open about your personal bias against words longer than 5 letters. Should I assume you fall into the redneck category on that scale of yours?
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On June 04 2016 16:49 blkcoffee wrote:
I have work soon and I can't bring myself to read through all of Jesus's huge posts.
I'll be back in the evening.
Let Jesus into your life, my friend. Don't let fear get in the way of faith.
If you want to read one post that summarizes my stance on Day 1 so far, it would be this one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/508622-newbie-mafia-xxi?page=27#521
The rest is bickering, clarification, etc.
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On June 04 2016 19:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that:
1. I townread Tumblewood.
2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum.
3. I townread QT.
That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed.
I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post:
On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time.
In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate.
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On June 04 2016 19:49 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Qt and jealous. Activity is good to an extent but you guys are being really anti town with your one on one spam. No one is going to read it. Pleaase consolidate your points and talk stop just talking to each other,
I was met with the same criticism not long ago and made this post an hour ago:
Whether you read the rest or not is up to you and your level of dedication. I was simply pursuing what I find to be a legitimate lead, which has led me to construct the following points on why I believe QT is a good vote for Day 1::
1. QT's posts, on average, lack substance (failing to answer questions, using memes as answers, dodgy responses in general, no analysis presented to substantiate claims).
2. QT voted for one person, then claimed to vote for another in this thread while making a vote post in the voting thread that did not corroborate his verbal stance, all while not even using the proper format for unvoting so therefore there is a strong possibility that he is intentionally misleading people.
There are more but I don't want to be too long-winded yet again.
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On June 04 2016 19:53 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 19:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that:
1. I townread Tumblewood.
2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum.
3. I townread QT.
That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed. I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post: Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate.
EBWOP 33% accurate if you consider your analysis on Superbia, which I found to be factually faulty as he most certainly does not have a post on every page.
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On June 04 2016 20:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 20:02 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 19:49 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Qt and jealous. Activity is good to an extent but you guys are being really anti town with your one on one spam. No one is going to read it. Pleaase consolidate your points and talk stop just talking to each other, I was met with the same criticism not long ago and made this post an hour ago: Whether you read the rest or not is up to you and your level of dedication. I was simply pursuing what I find to be a legitimate lead, which has led me to construct the following points on why I believe QT is a good vote for Day 1:: 1. QT's posts, on average, lack substance (failing to answer questions, using memes as answers, dodgy responses in general, no analysis presented to substantiate claims). 2. QT voted for one person, then claimed to vote for another in this thread while making a vote post in the voting thread that did not corroborate his verbal stance, all while not even using the proper format for unvoting so therefore there is a strong possibility that he is intentionally misleading people. There are more but I don't want to be too long-winded yet again. I really don't care if you wrote a summary. What you are doing now is bad for town. People are going to be discouraged to read the whole game and it's going to be harder to get a read on those people. Not every one has as much free time as you. Too much writing. Especially because it's mostly 1v1.
So you don't care that I've summarized pages of information that may prove useful into one post and shared it, therefore presenting you with information that is relevant to the game in a concise fashion so you don't have to read the volume of posts that you complain about. Okay. Maybe one day us mere mortals will be worthy of your time but I guess today is not that day.
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On June 04 2016 20:29 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
No one is going to even find that post. It's a needle in a haystack.
For me it's irrelevant because we aren't lynching either of you today.
Except I just linked it twice now so that it's readily available.
I don't see why lynching QuickTwist is not an option, but perhaps you don't see why it is one because you don't bother to read one or two posts I guess. It's doubly interesting because it also concerns you.
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On June 05 2016 01:41 emperorchampion wrote:
So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel.
I was trying to pressure QuickTwist since he seemed the most suspect to me and also the least useful. I got what I wanted in that venture.
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On June 05 2016 01:45 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote:Ok I piddled around too long and am not going to be able to elaborate as much as I wanted to about my scum reads, but here is the short and sweet version. QT - There is just too many inconsistencies in his play for me to overlook. He pushed Super early for "trying to look town" + Show Spoiler +which is a terrible reason to scumread anyone, especially when that doesn't reall describe Super's play at all imo and then scum reads me for basically doing the opposite + Show Spoiler +not openly giving my reads . His posts in general feel pretty disjointed and his thoughts sometimes backtrack or dissapear for no reason + Show Spoiler +Sorry no time for examples . Combined with some of the points other people have made about his flippant and largely unfounded reads and dismissve approach to questions... yea this guy is top of my lynch list. Emperorchampion - I liked his open, but the rest of his posts fall flat and he quickly dropped the attitude he started with. The way he spent a lot of effort filterdiving QT + Show Spoiler +filters so early in the game? to come up with a townread on him, then made a townread on Tumble with much less effort and used Tumble's thoughts to conclude that Jealous is scum is really off. Thats it for now, I may get a chance to post later tonight, but likely won't be around till tomorrow.
##Vote: QuickTwist Filter diving, I like the term  To be honest, with regards to filter diving, I'm just not really sure the best way to play the game, so I'm trying things to see what works out.
I'm enjoying your posts 
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On June 05 2016 02:08 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 19:53 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 19:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that:
1. I townread Tumblewood.
2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum.
3. I townread QT.
That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed. I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post: On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate. That plus your EBWOP is a great pick and shows exactly the problem I have with that scumread. My read is a bit too weak to justify a vote. Well, so according to thekushmountains, MoosyDoosy "always plays like this" if town? Can anyone point me to some games that he played or at least confirm what thekushmountains said? Although, I'm not buying into it yet: while meta reads can be very potent, they are always a bit fragile since it's easily possible to "play for his own meta" to appear as the opposite alignment. Reading MoosyDoosy, no offense, feels like listening to the unordered thoughts of a child: open to distractions, not focusing on anything, whatever. From my experience, players that have such a playstyle mainly want to stay unreadable and are very unstable in terms of activity levels. Well long story short, if MoosyDoosy is currently indeed playing to his town meta, it renders my arguments obsolete. Going full circle, back to Jealous: Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:25 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Jealous what alignment did you hope to get? My expectations were mixed in that I simultaneously did not want to be important because I would then be under a lot of pressure to perform my duties up to a certain standard, but I also did want to have some sway in the outcome of the game beyond just words and analysis. I am satisfied with my role. How about you? This is a very good question from Superbia which solidifies my town read on him even further. However Jealous' answer feels really scummy to me, so I want to point that out. IMHO, the purpose of this question is to be able to get a tone read on the questioned person. If the person admits that he's disappointed in his role or alignment, that information can be used to further analyse the posts that happened until now. So, imagine you're scum, and you're being asked that question. You don't know if there is a "right" (town indicative) or "wrong" answer, do you? Well, I don't. So you cannot answer that question clearly. Jealous is not answering that question clearly. If I would have been asked that question, I'd have answered "scum" (or, tbh, "neutral"), because I prefer being the one being searched for instead of reading carefully through stuff and identifying/guessing inconsistencies, blatant lies, and busses. The only intention behind Jealous' answer could be to hide that he's actually glad that he rolled scum and that this is the reason of his high activity level. Jealous, can you answer Superbia's question more clearly? What is your stance on Tictock and QuickTwist (there's a specific reason why I ask for this read which I'll tell after the answer)?
I don't know if it's possible to answer more clearly, simply because I didn't have any concrete expectations going into this. I wasn't sure if I could play up to par; I knew it might be detrimental to the game if I got a key role and couldn't perform intelligently. I rolled town and I am satisfied with my roll.
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On June 05 2016 02:08 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 19:53 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 19:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that:
1. I townread Tumblewood.
2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum.
3. I townread QT.
That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed. I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post: On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate. That plus your EBWOP is a great pick and shows exactly the problem I have with that scumread. My read is a bit too weak to justify a vote. Well, so according to thekushmountains, MoosyDoosy "always plays like this" if town? Can anyone point me to some games that he played or at least confirm what thekushmountains said? Although, I'm not buying into it yet: while meta reads can be very potent, they are always a bit fragile since it's easily possible to "play for his own meta" to appear as the opposite alignment. Reading MoosyDoosy, no offense, feels like listening to the unordered thoughts of a child: open to distractions, not focusing on anything, whatever. From my experience, players that have such a playstyle mainly want to stay unreadable and are very unstable in terms of activity levels. Well long story short, if MoosyDoosy is currently indeed playing to his town meta, it renders my arguments obsolete. Going full circle, back to Jealous: Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:25 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Jealous what alignment did you hope to get? My expectations were mixed in that I simultaneously did not want to be important because I would then be under a lot of pressure to perform my duties up to a certain standard, but I also did want to have some sway in the outcome of the game beyond just words and analysis. I am satisfied with my role. How about you? This is a very good question from Superbia which solidifies my town read on him even further. However Jealous' answer feels really scummy to me, so I want to point that out. IMHO, the purpose of this question is to be able to get a tone read on the questioned person. If the person admits that he's disappointed in his role or alignment, that information can be used to further analyse the posts that happened until now. So, imagine you're scum, and you're being asked that question. You don't know if there is a "right" (town indicative) or "wrong" answer, do you? Well, I don't. So you cannot answer that question clearly. Jealous is not answering that question clearly. If I would have been asked that question, I'd have answered "scum" (or, tbh, "neutral"), because I prefer being the one being searched for instead of reading carefully through stuff and identifying/guessing inconsistencies, blatant lies, and busses. The only intention behind Jealous' answer could be to hide that he's actually glad that he rolled scum and that this is the reason of his high activity level. Jealous, can you answer Superbia's question more clearly? What is your stance on Tictock and QuickTwist (there's a specific reason why I ask for this read which I'll tell after the answer)?
Sorry, forgot to answer your follow-up questions:
1. Tictock, I don't find him to be suspicious. Leaning towards townie but can't be certain.
2. QuickTwist, he's inconsistent, deceitful, and therefore he is either a) a player that is a detriment to the town even if he is a townie or b) scum. I voted to lynch him today.
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On June 05 2016 02:11 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Something came up.
Sorry.
/replace
That's unfortunate, but we should not ignore who voted for sqrtofneg1. Perhaps I'm forgetting something, but is there any justification forthcoming from kushmountains, QuickTwist, or Tumblewood for trying to lynch sqrtofneg1?
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On June 05 2016 02:25 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't like this "detriment to the town even if he is a townie" sentiment... what is that supposed to mean? If he is a townie, he is not detrimental to the town unless he causes us to lynch him. What is he doing? "Sowing seeds of confusion?" He's not undermining anyone, confusing anyone, he's just playing the game. Either call him scum or call him town, but don't say you'd lynch him if he's town because that's totally backwards.
Let me be clear, I have the greatest suspicion of him being scum of anyone else in the thread so far, that is the main reason for my vote. However, my argument is that even if he flips town, then he was behaving in a way that is counterproductive to the town. Namely, he makes unsubstantiated reads, fake votes in this thread, and dodges questions. Thus, I''m doubly willing to take the chance on a Day 1 read and voted for him. Seems others feel the same way.
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On June 05 2016 02:30 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 02:25 Tumblewood wrote:
I don't like this "detriment to the town even if he is a townie" sentiment... what is that supposed to mean? If he is a townie, he is not detrimental to the town unless he causes us to lynch him. What is he doing? "Sowing seeds of confusion?" He's not undermining anyone, confusing anyone, he's just playing the game. Either call him scum or call him town, but don't say you'd lynch him if he's town because that's totally backwards. Let me be clear, he is the most suspicious person in my eyes so far, that is the main reason for my vote. However, my argument is that even if he flips town, then he was behaving in a way that is counterproductive to the town. Namely, he makes unsubstantiated reads, fake votes in this thread, and dodges questions. Thus, I''m doubly willing to take the chance on a Day 1 read and voted for him. Seems others feel the same way.
EBWOP; Phrasing
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On June 05 2016 02:30 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 02:22 Jealous wrote:On June 05 2016 02:11 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Something came up.
Sorry.
/replace That's unfortunate, but we should not ignore who voted for sqrtofneg1. Perhaps I'm forgetting something, but is there any justification forthcoming from kushmountains, QuickTwist, or Tumblewood for trying to lynch sqrtofneg1? I want a policy-lynch today (basically, lynching someone who is AFK), because I think that the active players will make their alignments clear as the game progresses and that the inactive players will remain coinflips throughout the game. Also, in newbie games, scum is lynched 16% of the time on D1 when random lynching would lynch scum 25% of the time (source: the database). I would rather lynch someone who is 50/50 inactive townie / scum than someone who is 50/50 active townie / scum. Sqrtofneg1 is perhaps the worst of the lurkers to lynch now that he is getting a replacement, but I would like to lynch someone inactive today.
This makes sense, and if I didn't have my strong suspicions, I would agree with this plan.
However, it is interesting for me to note how early people voted for sqrtofneg1 even though there were other inactives.
So, you joined the vote against sqrtofneg1 to join QuickTwist and kushmountains, tying him for votes with QuickTwist. Also interesting.
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On June 05 2016 03:00 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 02:21 Jealous wrote:On June 05 2016 02:08 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 04 2016 19:53 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 19:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that:
1. I townread Tumblewood.
2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum.
3. I townread QT.
That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed. I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post: On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate. That plus your EBWOP is a great pick and shows exactly the problem I have with that scumread. My read is a bit too weak to justify a vote. Well, so according to thekushmountains, MoosyDoosy "always plays like this" if town? Can anyone point me to some games that he played or at least confirm what thekushmountains said? Although, I'm not buying into it yet: while meta reads can be very potent, they are always a bit fragile since it's easily possible to "play for his own meta" to appear as the opposite alignment. Reading MoosyDoosy, no offense, feels like listening to the unordered thoughts of a child: open to distractions, not focusing on anything, whatever. From my experience, players that have such a playstyle mainly want to stay unreadable and are very unstable in terms of activity levels. Well long story short, if MoosyDoosy is currently indeed playing to his town meta, it renders my arguments obsolete. Going full circle, back to Jealous: On June 04 2016 08:25 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Jealous what alignment did you hope to get? My expectations were mixed in that I simultaneously did not want to be important because I would then be under a lot of pressure to perform my duties up to a certain standard, but I also did want to have some sway in the outcome of the game beyond just words and analysis. I am satisfied with my role. How about you? This is a very good question from Superbia which solidifies my town read on him even further. However Jealous' answer feels really scummy to me, so I want to point that out. IMHO, the purpose of this question is to be able to get a tone read on the questioned person. If the person admits that he's disappointed in his role or alignment, that information can be used to further analyse the posts that happened until now. So, imagine you're scum, and you're being asked that question. You don't know if there is a "right" (town indicative) or "wrong" answer, do you? Well, I don't. So you cannot answer that question clearly. Jealous is not answering that question clearly. If I would have been asked that question, I'd have answered "scum" (or, tbh, "neutral"), because I prefer being the one being searched for instead of reading carefully through stuff and identifying/guessing inconsistencies, blatant lies, and busses. The only intention behind Jealous' answer could be to hide that he's actually glad that he rolled scum and that this is the reason of his high activity level. Jealous, can you answer Superbia's question more clearly? What is your stance on Tictock and QuickTwist (there's a specific reason why I ask for this read which I'll tell after the answer)? Sorry, forgot to answer your follow-up questions: 1. Tictock, I don't find him to be suspicious. Leaning towards townie but can't be certain. 2. QuickTwist, he's inconsistent, deceitful, and therefore he is either a) a player that is a detriment to the town even if he is a townie or b) scum. I voted to lynch him today. Okay. My purpose in this question was basically to be able to compare a read you've given by voting to a read that cannot be really existing. Your stance on Tictock makes sense. Still fine with a MoosyDoosy or a policy lynch. I caught some threads here where MoosyDoosy is playing a similar style as he does now. However, if QT is a detriment to town, why isn't moosy? In your eyes, he should be, right? That's quite the inconsistency.
You never asked me for my read on MoosyDoosy so I couldn't have been inconsistent, but since we're on the topic I do find his posting habits to be wildly inconsistent themselves. He hasn't been very active despite answering what felt like the first 10 posts in Day 1 all in 1 megapost. The major difference between Moosy and QuickTwist is that QuickTwist, as I say time and again, has been dodgy and intentionally misleading town. That is why he takes priority over Moosy for today's lynch.
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On June 05 2016 03:12 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 03:06 Jealous wrote:On June 05 2016 03:00 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 05 2016 02:21 Jealous wrote:On June 05 2016 02:08 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 04 2016 19:53 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 19:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that:
1. I townread Tumblewood.
2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum.
3. I townread QT.
That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed. I'm not going to argue with what you've already admitted is highly conditional reasoning, but if your faith in Tumblewood is so great then you should check this post: On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In here he says that his suspicion lies on QuickTwist, which somewhat debunks your line of reasoning because your townreads would be only 50% accurate. That plus your EBWOP is a great pick and shows exactly the problem I have with that scumread. My read is a bit too weak to justify a vote. Well, so according to thekushmountains, MoosyDoosy "always plays like this" if town? Can anyone point me to some games that he played or at least confirm what thekushmountains said? Although, I'm not buying into it yet: while meta reads can be very potent, they are always a bit fragile since it's easily possible to "play for his own meta" to appear as the opposite alignment. Reading MoosyDoosy, no offense, feels like listening to the unordered thoughts of a child: open to distractions, not focusing on anything, whatever. From my experience, players that have such a playstyle mainly want to stay unreadable and are very unstable in terms of activity levels. Well long story short, if MoosyDoosy is currently indeed playing to his town meta, it renders my arguments obsolete. Going full circle, back to Jealous: On June 04 2016 08:25 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Jealous what alignment did you hope to get? My expectations were mixed in that I simultaneously did not want to be important because I would then be under a lot of pressure to perform my duties up to a certain standard, but I also did want to have some sway in the outcome of the game beyond just words and analysis. I am satisfied with my role. How about you? This is a very good question from Superbia which solidifies my town read on him even further. However Jealous' answer feels really scummy to me, so I want to point that out. IMHO, the purpose of this question is to be able to get a tone read on the questioned person. If the person admits that he's disappointed in his role or alignment, that information can be used to further analyse the posts that happened until now. So, imagine you're scum, and you're being asked that question. You don't know if there is a "right" (town indicative) or "wrong" answer, do you? Well, I don't. So you cannot answer that question clearly. Jealous is not answering that question clearly. If I would have been asked that question, I'd have answered "scum" (or, tbh, "neutral"), because I prefer being the one being searched for instead of reading carefully through stuff and identifying/guessing inconsistencies, blatant lies, and busses. The only intention behind Jealous' answer could be to hide that he's actually glad that he rolled scum and that this is the reason of his high activity level. Jealous, can you answer Superbia's question more clearly? What is your stance on Tictock and QuickTwist (there's a specific reason why I ask for this read which I'll tell after the answer)? Sorry, forgot to answer your follow-up questions: 1. Tictock, I don't find him to be suspicious. Leaning towards townie but can't be certain. 2. QuickTwist, he's inconsistent, deceitful, and therefore he is either a) a player that is a detriment to the town even if he is a townie or b) scum. I voted to lynch him today. Okay. My purpose in this question was basically to be able to compare a read you've given by voting to a read that cannot be really existing. Your stance on Tictock makes sense. Still fine with a MoosyDoosy or a policy lynch. I caught some threads here where MoosyDoosy is playing a similar style as he does now. However, if QT is a detriment to town, why isn't moosy? In your eyes, he should be, right? That's quite the inconsistency. You never asked me for my read on MoosyDoosy so I couldn't have been inconsistent, but since we're on the topic I do find his posting habits to be wildly inconsistent themselves. He hasn't been very active despite answering what felt like the first 10 posts in Day 1 all in 1 megapost. The major difference between Moosy and QuickTwist is that QuickTwist, as I say time and again, has been dodgy and intentionally misleading town. That is why he takes priority over Moosy for today's lynch. "actually I didn't say anything earlier because you didn't ask me, but that reminds me that I've been scumreading moosy for some time now" no me gusta
To be honest, I haven't given Moosy much thought since he has been inactive and hasn't created much content. Not really a scum read, more like a potential policy lynch candidate? I haven't found or said I've found anything directly suspicious in his posts, and I never said I've suspected him for some time lol. Reading comprehension.
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