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I know nk's are wifom, but from so many game I have obs'ed as well - dead mafia are usually on the right track as well and speak no cases.
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On June 09 2016 05:00 Fecalfeast wrote:yup I'm going through emperor's filter. He flips on QT as it gets closer to him being killed, he says he's not sdure about me then calls me half life 3 confirmed town. also: Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 00:26 emperorchampion wrote:
Also I don't think I ever hard read QT as maf, just hypothosised that it was odd QT and Tumble were defending each other. This was the information I was interested in. I dunno you are trying to twist my words I feel This made me check and it seems he was really hedging his bets and skirting around making any hard calls at all about QT. Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 01:41 emperorchampion wrote:I took a look through Tumblewood's filter, since he seems like the only one posting anything of note aside from QT-pie and Jealsus (which is a cesspool I don't want to wade through). + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read. What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous. This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8R2mw6O.jpg) Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies. you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes". Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection. the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection. Here it looks like tumble is putting pressure on Jealous. This is based off of defense for QT, since he gave strong townread to QT earlier here: On June 04 2016 09:20 Tumblewood wrote:
shitty early d1 reads that I shouldn't be making
town: superbia, qt
town lean: emperor
null: moosy
scum lean: jealous
scum: [pending further posts] To which is commented: On June 04 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote:
if asked to defend any of my reads right now I will only respond by saying "feels" So now that we've framed the context of the first post, I think that there are two ways of interpreting it: 1) He is protecting QT-pie 2) He's calling a bad play a bad play From the previous context, I would think former, but reading the following posts I think the ladder: On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 10:29 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:02 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this. Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess. Do you think that town should try to look townie and eliminate themselves from the lynch pool. No. what but why it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote:
ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In my mind, it seems that there is some sort of triangle between QT-pie, tumble and Jealsus. At first I was thinking that QT/tumble could be a pair, but "6/10" lynch is pretty strong against that, although maybe tumble doesn't think the QT vote will go through so he doesn't have to push it? Jealsus/QT-pie: there are 3 options: 1) both town, 2) town and maf 3) both maf. I think that 3) is pretty unlikely, seems like such a ballsy play to carry out those shenanigans. I think that 2) is more likely than 1). Jealsus/tumble: I think it's fairly well summarized from the post above: "ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills". Also: "Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment" So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel. has QT in a possible scum pair Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 00:37 emperorchampion wrote:On June 04 2016 23:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 04 2016 12:01 Tumblewood wrote:
going to take a break until I inevitably get bored and come back
playing this game is just not fun for me right now because the only two active players are on (what I see as) the wrong track and set in it. feels like I'm talking to a brick wall. Talk to me buddy. Does Quicktwist and Jealous feel like two townies caught in an argument against each other and refusing to back down due to pride or is one of them Mafia? For some reason I keep getting hints of the second even though it really looks like the first. QT v Jealous has obviously dominated the first few pages so far. I've been thinking similarly, but that there is a third option as well --- I'm not sure how likely that is though. Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote:
I think that Skynx could be scum, not really sure on the rest since I haven't looked too much into it due to not having too much time atm. Superbia / Tictock seem town.
Fecalfeast / scott not really sure. Seems like a mafia move to push an afk tho, so I don't know what it accomplishes. I think my vote has to go into tumble / QT / Jealous to figure this out. keeps QT in his lynch circle even though he was leaning more toward jealous as scum out of QT/jealous Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 02:53 emperorchampion wrote:
OK so I think I'm caught up.
Am I crazy for thinking that Tumble / QT are a mafia pair given the last two pages? QT/tumble mafia pair mentioned Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.
kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.
This, among other posts also suggests that emperor should have been pushing jealous a lot more today rather than just being complacent with the thread direction. so my questions for emperor: What do you read Jealous as? Who do you want to kill and why? Why was it so hard for you to make a solid read on QT while talking about him so often?
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On June 13 2016 16:44 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 16:14 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2016 16:00 Jealous wrote:On June 13 2016 15:45 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2016 12:46 Jealous wrote:Skynx/EC/Tictock all voted for the same person each day, except when TT did shennanies onto BTDT. Skynx always votes before EC. EC waited for another person to vote in between them in 2/3 days, except when he was last vote. Ticktock voted between the two of them on both of those instances, and shennanied later. They never voted first for the person who ended up lynched. The only person to note vote for the same person on those days is BTDT. So, unless scott is scum, then two of Skynx/EC/Tictock were working as a 2 man voting/bandwagoning cell. It's worth it to examine their interactions with each other. Looking back at Day 1 data, we have: + Show Spoiler [beentheredonethat] +BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town
BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum
BTDT votes MoosyDoosy
BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town
Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy
EC softreads Tumble, QT scum
EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum
EC reads Superbia, TT town
EC votes QT
EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum
Skynx votes QuickTwist
Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast
Skynx reads Tumble, EC town
Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum
Skynx defends Jealous @QT
Skynx points BC Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain
Tictock reads Moosy scum
Tictock reads Tumblewood town
Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol
Tictock reads Jealous town
Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town
Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum
Tictock votes QuickTwist
Tictock reads Jealous scum
TT points at FF for plynch
TT reads QT, Skynx scum
TT wants to lynch Skynx
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum
TT corrects EC for BTDT
TT votes BTDT
TT defends BC ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cBR85ud.png) That's better analysis than I did - I have been fooled by Tictock before to an extent - this was the game I played with him, he was mafia, I was town - we went to LYLO. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1I do not know how much time you have, but I wanted to point out this game we played together. I actually wrote all of that based on your data, not mine haha. Thanks for the color coding. Do you think TT's the other mafia and not EC? I wouldn't go as far as saying that.
Jealous is 100% vet would you agree?
Superbia wouldn't bus to keep the game alive when he could've done elsewise and win, is that the agreement as well?
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I think I've had a few too many for the night. lol
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On June 14 2016 06:11 Tictock wrote:
Humm, slowly catching up and rereading some stuff.
I'd like to be seeing a little more out of Skynx and Scott, it's interesting that they are going after each other pretty much right off the bat.
Also I'd like to know why Scott ninja voted Emp here.
Emp what are your thoughts atm? Who do you think is scum?
It's not a ninja vote - I'm voting with my conftown 100% Jealous
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I posted that in the first post after the day started
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On June 14 2016 06:39 Jealous wrote:
Scott you should vote for who you want to vote for and not just follow me, because 1. I am a dumb newb and 2. I might shennanie again.
But you are confirmed town newb 
And it's 4-2 MYLO, only one townie can refrain from the pack or else we lose, so I also like to consolidate.
I'm okay with Skynx or EC right now - I like Tictock's d1 so I think he's town and every one else i think is town as well.
If I could convince you to go on Skynx I'd be okay with that, but I want to consolidate for now.
Now, if you think one or the other could be the RB, I'd love to get him first, because then mafia won't waste two nights to get rid of you.
On June 14 2016 06:45 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 16:20 scott31337 wrote:
I know nk's are wifom, but from so many game I have obs'ed as well - dead mafia are usually on the right track as well and speak no cases. This I'm a little confused about, I think btdt wanted to lynch you no?
No, this was about Fecalfeast and I thought it was a pretty weird kill - so I re-read his filter and reposted the parts I thought were interesting in his filter (although there wasn't much)
On June 14 2016 06:39 emperorchampion wrote:Also, scott: Show nested quote +On June 13 2016 22:27 emperorchampion wrote:On June 13 2016 11:36 scott31337 wrote:On June 10 2016 04:01 emperorchampion wrote:
Also using shenanigans for reads in these scenarios is completely bonkers hmm Do you disagree?
Yes, I disagree - if were lynching a town, it doesn't make much sense for mafia to want to sheannie, they would rather get the mislynch.
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I wrote mafia in that wifom post and not town - oopsie - that may have been what the confusion was for.
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I've got a network install I'll be on the road for a bit. Jealous has my sword.
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I'm here -
Are we good with EC or are we switching?
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On June 15 2016 07:43 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 07:42 scott31337 wrote:
I'm here -
Are we good with EC or are we switching? Why the fuck are you here 15m before EoD.
Becuase I just got out of work and am done with my network install?
I feel better about Skynx but I think EC and Skynx are the last two, third being Tictock - although I liked his d1 shennanie attempt - but he doesn't get a complete free pass for it.
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Nicee!!!!
Skynx next, wish it was the RB so we could have Jealous for another day, but oh well.
I'll go over the questions I was asked in the last few pages here in a bit
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On June 15 2016 08:22 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 08:19 Superbia wrote:
You do realize that if people had actually suddenly switched I probably would've voted back on EC? I have questions but I'd rather see how Scott responds first. Scott if you dodge this scenario in the next 24 hours I will raise hell.
Could you be more specific?
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We will carry on in your memory, Jealous.
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Four left, can't no lynch - so we have to figure it out.
My instincts and dead mans is Skynx.
There's only one scum left so Superbia/TT "discussing" is quite interesting
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On June 17 2016 06:12 Tictock wrote:I think I'm giving up on Supers filter for now, so moving on. Generally Skynx's filter is just blah. This post is just shitty no matter how you look at it Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 08:47 Skynx wrote:On June 04 2016 08:45 Superbia wrote:On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far. Do you think quicky (QT) is town? He doesn't sound scummy (yet) Also interesting how Skynx made a big case on Quick D1 but since then hasn't done anything similar. I This post showed that Skynx was lurking around EoD1, poped up with this as soon as I brought up shennanigans onto BtDt or Skynx. In This reads post Skynx lists BtDt as "null- can't really read him" but then he lists BtDt as someone he doesn't want to lynch because they are not a "big target" Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 04:45 Skynx wrote:On June 09 2016 04:45 Skynx wrote:On June 09 2016 04:42 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote:
I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on. Define "big target" please Not you, Scott or blk. Or btdt Which also remines me of this post Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 22:57 Skynx wrote:On June 05 2016 22:31 Superbia wrote:
Skynx can you give me some updates regarding your thoughts atm? Tumble, emperor, you are townies For thoughts on QT read #604 Not much of read on most others but I don't feel like lynching kush+bddt for some time These are all just feels + I'm suspicious of one specific person but I'll keep that to myself for now. This actually looks like a good basis for an association. Skynx first states that he doesn't want to lynch BtDt for some time, then posts a null read on him, and goes right back to saying he doesn't want to lynch him. Nowhere is there actual reasoning on BtDt just this back and forth. Looking at Skynx's reactions to D3. This is pretty lackluster in that Skynx is not giving his own thoughts just accepting the thinking done by others. but, his next few posts shows he's not really the convinced. Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:19 Skynx wrote:I'm not trying to stir shit up or anything but On June 09 2016 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 09 2016 06:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hello guys. I am finally here, logged in on a friend's computer. I could not play thus far and have not caught up to the thread. Based on my reads from last day and having seen the kills, I strongly suggest to lynch into one of (oh, the irony) low volume player. The last 48 hours have produced very little discussion and I feel like lynching afk people is a good thing.
I will place my vote on thekushmountains for that purpose. Please note that my real life issues will probably continue for the next 24 hours, so do not expect great activity from my side. Sorry, again. Good night everyone.
##vote nnn_thekushmountians This guy is town too no matter what. His check on btdt is kinda out of nowhere imo cuz he spent entire d2 pressuring me and emp. If this is a situation where Moosy just fires shots on town btdt, he panics and screws up cc and Moosy defends his claim by just bringing up his Jealous tr on d2 we are so so fucked On June 10 2016 08:50 Tictock wrote:On June 10 2016 08:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
alright guys i'm claiming cop and i was wrong.
beentheredonethat just flipped red from my check.
##Vote: beentheredonethat What were your other checks? And why did you check BtDt and not Emp or Skynx? On June 10 2016 08:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:
#moneychecks
#2pro
#bestblueever
#hashtag
:3 I mean only reason Moosy is not drawing suspicion is because btdt screwed up. Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:47 Skynx wrote:
Anyway, lets say we lynch btdt today, Jealous and Super I'm never lynching D4. Moosy's alignment will be revealed after today aswell so thats 3 out of the way.
Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 23:53 Skynx wrote:On June 10 2016 23:49 Superbia wrote:
If we ever lynch town we lose. Unless scum KP gets stopped. I know, I'm trying to make stuff happen for D4 assuming we correctly scum lynch btdt today and Moosy is cop for real. These posts are kinda interesting, this was his conclusion after filtering Emp. Show nested quote +On June 14 2016 23:48 Skynx wrote:
So he has this very laid back style for which most people gave town credit very early on and he's happy about it. Once pressure builds up he now has a very different style.
I'm liking the fact that he pushes his questions over and over until he gets a reply, I'd think scum would just leave stuff hanging but this might be just very carefull play to not leave any traces.
So he gets heavy accusations D2 (mostly out of his Jeal/QT/Tumble trio reads) and he's very calm about it. He doesn't really defend himself in any way and votes kush to save himself, also pointing out that the case on me is now kinda forgotten. As he abandons his Scott vote, his case becomes less powerfull.
So today, he's forced into this situation where he has now no town credit because he had no previous btdt reads. He has to vote for others as previous occasions to save himself but there is still no coherent case on anybody or a solid defence on himself.
Instinctively I don't think he can be scumteam with Scott because their beef goes long way. He defended TT against some people earlier on. He is scumreading me for a long time now but again no case.
All that being said, if he is scum, he'd surely bring up some solid argument against me by now as many people are assigning me and him as scum team for a while now.
Final thoughts: He absolutely has to defend himself right now. I don't feel he's town anymore but he is less scum than Scott & TT imo. I don't want to vote for him yet, but I will have to shennanie in case of no defence. If he flips scum, TT is final mafia and we win. Show nested quote +On June 14 2016 23:53 Skynx wrote:
Anyway, I'll be checking on phone. There has to be reasonable shennanies tonight. Holding my vote on Scott for now, he's still most scummy to me. The conclusion "I don't think he's town anymore, but is less scum than Scott & TT" is kinda strange especially when a lot of his posts in pg 5 of his filter seem to be making associative cases between Scott and myself. This was when Skynx voted Emp, Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote:On June 15 2016 04:12 Jealous wrote:On June 15 2016 04:04 Skynx wrote:On June 15 2016 02:25 Jealous wrote:On June 15 2016 02:15 Superbia wrote:
The reason I feel EC is town is because essentially all possible scum on the kush train got their vote in early&safe with a non-reason. He was the easier push so mafia probably didn't give a shit about the lynch either way. One day two, the votes were tied 4/3 Kush/EC after I voted. Next to vote was Scott, who made it 4/4. That is when EC switched to kush to make it 5/4, which potentially means nothing because it could be him saving his hide, or it could mean everything if he is scum and both remaining scum had already voted for kush so scum had no more votes to swing on. At that time, kush still hadn't switched his vote to EC to make it 5/5 and blkcoffee was still a variable that could have presented itself. That's why I strongly believe that between EC/Skynx/TT we will find our last two scum, but out of those 3 the most evident are EC/Skynx. Skynx has provided a lot of content these past few pages, which is nice, but while reading it almost felt like he was reaching for a dreamworld of some sort, like building a card castle to the moon. Also, it was relatively uncharacteristic of his prior posting habits. It's nice to see him make a late push like this and I will relook it before I leave for class. Lol which part makes you feel that? Anyway I tried to stay consistent but I'm busy during the day. Why is Scott not mafia? I feel that way partially because you're painting TT as scum and I don't think he is. I follow your logic on TT's posting habits but I don't agree with it. You seem to agree with an EC/TT team, so vote EC. You could just say you disagree with my opinion and which part of it rather than me reaching a dreamworld. I am voting now he's here. from the followup posts though it is clear that he would preffer to lynch Scott or Myself still. So it seems like Skynx only voted Emp out of pressure and its interesting he never shifted his vote after this point. After the flip Show nested quote +On June 15 2016 08:14 Skynx wrote:
TT is confirmed for me. So much for tonight. Yet... today nothing.
Pretty decent finds here.
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